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chaoszerg
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 10:18 PM) [snapback]1244468[/snapback]

Because they don't understand how the Spirit Realm works. They laugh because some of them actually believe in the "conjuring" of demons with their mystical magical spells.

Now there are different types of Satanists, but take Anton LeVay for instance. While Satan does have human agents working for him, LeVay was a fake. He wasn't even a Prince of Satans. He was just a pawn.

Satan sought to produce a book that gave the impression that he did not exist except in peoples minds. LeVay was in it for the monetary gain. He was open about his belief that Satan did not exist in creation. However, LeVay is now tucked away in a dark realm where he can think about his misconception and the negative energy he helped to cultivate. Unless he gets a reprieve from the Creator, he is destined for the fate of a devil he never even believed existed. One of Satan's better misconceptions nurtured by this past deluded character.

This guru's followers worship the concept of evil. Though he denied Satan's existence in reality, he personally sought to be like what he thought Christianity conceived Satan as. He tried to look the part of what the symbolic Satan is characterized as. I can tell you, Satan NEVER liked him; he simply used him and his followers as pawns in a game of deception that still continues to this day.




This guru's followers worship the concept of evil.

Funny i thought it was knowledge and how to live their lives to their fullest and embrace their desires and emotions. Instead of loving everyone including strangers and enemies but just loving the people they cared for and not turning their cheek to a enemy or stranger. But i could be wrong or BOTH of us are.


sorry i have toi edit this to add more

Okay so lets start from the beginning you BELIEVE that demons or angels or some other paranormal force has told you aliens are really demons and aliens dont exist? That would mean every other person is being lied to since no one else who has the same skill's as you to talk to them has been informed this or have been lied too. Now i know you have said that you have proof and that it is in your book so this means that you have proof that can be SHOWN without me having to have to be there with you to prove your theory. But when you were asked to show your proof you said it was in your book that will be for sale so then i begin to think PUBLICITY for your book and that is why you made this thread so that you can try and get people to go out and buy this book. Orrrrrrrr im just wrong but you also mentioned that satanists so far down on satans ladder. How do you know they are so far down on satans ladder who told that?
MrMota
Well I grew up christian although I no longer attend church nor do I believe that demons and evil spirits are dirrectly affecting our lives on this planet. Some people take things like angels and demons as a one-sided issue, where there are these "beings" with us all the time trying to tempt us with evil or angels causing miracles to happen.

I believe that "angels and demons" described as in the bible could actually be the good and evil that exists within all of us...but of course that's my opinion and everyone has their own opinion on religious matters.

When they talk about angels coming down from the heavens...they could have been describing a meteor shower, shooting stars, maybe even life from another planet, in which they would appear as a divine being with such advanced technology....quite the god-send.

Egyptian history describes these things that came from the skies as gods...and they taught many helpful things and could hardly be seen as "evil".

Sorry to say but there really exists no good and evil in the world.....one persons demon is another persons angel and vice-versa.
demonic presence
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]1244468[/snapback]

Because they don't understand how the Spirit Realm works. They laugh because some of them actually believe in the "conjuring" of demons with their mystical magical spells.

Now there are different types of Satanists, but take Anton LeVay for instance. While Satan does have human agents working for him, LeVay was a fake. He wasn't even a Prince of Satans. He was just a pawn.

Satan sought to produce a book that gave the impression that he did not exist except in peoples minds. LeVay was in it for the monetary gain. He was open about his belief that Satan did not exist in creation. However, LeVay is now tucked away in a dark realm where he can think about his misconception and the negative energy he helped to cultivate. Unless he gets a reprieve from the Creator, he is destined for the fate of a devil he never even believed existed. One of Satan's better misconceptions nurtured by this past deluded character.

This guru's followers worship the concept of evil. Though he denied Satan's existence in reality, he personally sought to be like what he thought Christianity conceived Satan as. He tried to look the part of what the symbolic Satan is characterized as. I can tell you, Satan NEVER liked him; he simply used him and his followers as pawns in a game of deception that still continues to this day.



QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Jun 24 2006, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1244472[/snapback]

This guru's followers worship the concept of evil.

Funny i thought it was knowledge and how to live their lives to their fullest and embrace their desires and emotions. Instead of loving everyone including strangers and enemies but just loving the people they cared for and not turning their cheek to a enemy or stranger. But i could be wrong or BOTH of us are.



lololol sasa you could not be more wrong about satanists, chaoszerg you are right, i am a LaVeyan satanist and sasa most satanists dont even believe in demons, so they dont really summon them with a magick spell, i am one of the exceptions that actually believes in demons. i dont believe in a god or devil i just think demons are a more powerful form of a ghost
chaoszerg
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jun 24 2006, 10:58 PM) [snapback]1244505[/snapback]

lololol sasa you could not be more wrong about satanists, chaoszerg you are right, i am a LaVeyan satanist.




Wow im glad i decided to get to know satanists much more better. I thought you was going to tell me i am wrong also lol. But anyway i think this should have gone into the religious vs skeptic section because it leaning more to religion than aliens. No offence sasa but im getting the feeling this is just to try and advertise your book and give it some publicity i could be wrong but you have made it clear that you HAVE PROOF that can be shown without anyone having to meet you and have you summon up a angel or fallen angel (demon) but instead we have to BUY your BOOk to see that so called proof.
Stellar
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This IS progression and advancement. Believing in little green men with big heads in spaceships is not.


Why is it progression and advancement to believe that UFOs are created by angels and deamons, but believing that they're created by aliens is not? Aliens sure are a more "modern" explenation, if anything...

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Aliens are NOT real. Demons and Angels are.


What proof do you have of that conclusion, hmm?

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I have proof that demons exist.


Then present it...

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Sorry but it's copyrighted material that I'm not giving out on a public message board. I'd love to share it with you, I really would...but you'll have to wait until the book comes out.


Lol, how convenient...

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Well I do. But like I said...I'm not releasing it on a public message board before my book comes out. Sorry, but I have to protect my interests. It's titled: "Chosen: Spirit Realm Truths Revealed" and you'll be able to get it and see for yourself around August of this year.


Well, that sure gives you credibility rolleyes.gif

That just shows that you're not intent on informing people, but making money, which also deminishes your credibility.

StaringBack
Hey! Let's make this a game!

It'll be called "Let's See How Many Things We Can Explain Through Demons and an Archaic Piece of Literature Instead of Modern Ideas, Opinions, and Facts!"
RamboIII
QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 24 2006, 01:52 PM) [snapback]1244299[/snapback]

I wish modern day Christians would get past the time-worn "science is the work of the Devil" act. You're 100 years too late. Sorry, but it's people like you that keep Mankind from progressing and advancing. Genetic research is far from "the work of the Devil". Are you like 80 or something?

As for the UFO's, if you're trying to disprove them, what's so wrong with them being government research projects and abductees suffering from sleep paralysis and crazy dreams? (not that I think they don't exist, but come on!)


great point, i like you thumbsup.gif
I am sure that aliens exist, whether or not they have visited us is the real mystery
MJB222
QUOTE(psyco @ Jun 24 2006, 01:35 PM) [snapback]1244337[/snapback]

ALIENS ARE REAL! I SAW A SHIP BEFORE. RIGHT OUTSIDE MY WINDOW!!! THAT WAS HORROR ON A WHOLE NEW LEVEL!

Is that a fact? Huh, huh.gif you would think these so called aliens teach you not to post in only caps.

E.Ts are more realistic than your theory.
Sasa
QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Jun 24 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1244472[/snapback]

Now i know you have said that you have proof and that it is in your book so this means that you have proof that can be SHOWN without me having to have to be there with you to prove your theory. But when you were asked to show your proof you said it was in your book that will be for sale so then i begin to think PUBLICITY for your book and that is why you made this thread so that you can try and get people to go out and buy this book. Orrrrrrrr im just wrong but you also mentioned that satanists so far down on satans ladder. How do you know they are so far down on satans ladder who told that?



You're right - you're wrong. I only mentioned my book because someone wanted the proof and I wanted to explain why I wouldn't show it here. And, since I was also accused of not actually having the proof, I wanted to mention where He/She/They COULD see it eventually. That is all. Damned if I do damned if I don't aren't I...? hmm.gif

Why are you so concerned about how far down the ladder Satanists are and who told me? Are you one of them?
Sasa
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jun 24 2006, 02:58 PM) [snapback]1244505[/snapback]

lololol sasa you could not be more wrong about satanists, chaoszerg you are right, i am a LaVeyan satanist


That's funny. Exactly how I would expect a LaVey Satanist to respond. And, just for the record I had a feeling you were. You never answered my question about how it was that you were "summoning" those non-demons of yours. thumbsup.gif
Sasa
QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Jun 24 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1244513[/snapback]

but instead we have to BUY your BOOk to see that so called proof.


For your information, the Proof will also be available via my website where you can view it for FREE. I'm just not releasing the proof you ask for until after my book is published.
Sasa
QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 24 2006, 04:35 PM) [snapback]1244572[/snapback]

Hey! Let's make this a game!

It'll be called "Let's See How Many Things We Can Explain Through Demons and an Archaic Piece of Literature Instead of Modern Ideas, Opinions, and Facts!"


Oh my goodness. I must have missed the newsflash when it came on. I was probably somewhere with my nose buried in a Bible. Aliens are now a FACT? Why didn't someone say so earlier???

What I've proposed IS an Opinion, Einstein.

I think the game you're really playing is called, "Lets Believe In Aliens, Even Though We Have NO Proof and Attack Everyone Who's Opinion Differs From Ours Especially If Has To Do With The Creator!" Yeah! Fun game...! And you guys are GOOD at it too!
Stellar
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Damned if I do damned if I don't aren't I...?


I wouldnt know... you havent done anything yet, you've just refused to.

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For your information, the Proof will also be available via my website where you can view it for FREE. I'm just not releasing the proof you ask for until after my book is published.


Why?

demonic presence
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 25 2006, 12:17 AM) [snapback]1244592[/snapback]
That's funny. Exactly how I would expect a LaVey Satanist to respond. And, just for the record I had a feeling you were. You never answered my question about how it was that you were "summoning" those non-demons of yours. thumbsup.gif



Ok... its called a ritual, ever heard of necromancy???

omg ur psychic!!! u knew i was a satanist!!! what gave it away my avatar or the quotes in my signature....
Sasa
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jun 24 2006, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1244628[/snapback]

I wouldnt know... you havent done anything yet, you've just refused to.
Why?


I've already explained this but I'll say it again.
Because it's Copyrighted and I don't trust people on the internet.
AND because it's MY perogative.
mauricinho
aliens are real, millions of planets in a galaxy, millions of galaxies in the universe... to think we are the only ones is dumb
Stellar
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Because it's Copyrighted and I don't trust people on the internet.


And will it not remain copyrighted even after being published?

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AND because it's MY perogative.


And its our perogative to say you're full of sh** as a result.
Cinders
I found something odd but interesting today..

Here is a "short version"

1. Location. Near Nacogdoches, Texas
Date: early January 2006 Time: night

David Salomen, 60’s, was riding his dirt bike in a secluded forest north of the location and had stopped to rest when suddenly he saw a figure standing about 12 feet away from him. The figure was short, willowy whitish in color, with large dark eyes. The figure said, “May I connect with you?” Terrified the witness prayed in agony. But he could still hear a voice in the area of his frontal lobe that said, “Say yes.” And he said “yes”. He could plainly hear a voice behind his left ear, in the region of the brain that handles speech and verbal logic. The short figure then began to tell him many things, about the pyramids, and the sphinx, of ancient Nephilim giants, of 50 terrestrial races more devout than monks, of a flying miniature planet that sets up the gravity of planet Earth on the bottom and its atmosphere and flies at 12,000 miles per second without subjecting its occupants to G-force, of chimera experiments gone awry, of Mothman, Bigfoot, Champ, Nessy, etc. It will be the first of several “sit-downs” Salomen would have with this entity. His small mouth never moved. His pushed-in furrowed face reminded the witness of a Pekinese. His nose was nearly non-existent and his enormous eyes were like two black almonds that slanted upwards at a forty-five degree angle. The large veins of his bulbous bald head were clearly visible. The entity called itself “Magnuss” and told the witness, “I am using your own lexicon embedded in your mind to communicate with you." On February 3 2006, Magnuss would dictate to the witness 38 pages of information he wished for him to pass on to “Abo” or humans. At one point he asked Magnuss about Atlantis but his answer was ominous and he enquired no further, basically the entity said that it was too much information and it wouldn’t be “wise” for the witness to know about it. He also asked about implants and was told that each piece of metal is attached to nerve endings, which transmit location and biological data to an “object” not unlike a mainframe, where all whom they tag are kept. There is no hand on manipulation required. The data is continually transmitted to each abductee’s cell in the mainframe. If one of the implants is surgically removed, a cell becomes dormant and the monitor alien is alerted. The witness is apparently a biblical scholar and found many parallels in the bible of alien intervention. In fact Magnuss told him that they have been monitoring the earth for thousands of years. A lot of the information was indeed compared to religious dogma and according to the alien there is a definite connection.

HC addendum
Source: Direct from jasus@cox-internet.com Type: E or G?
Comments: There was a lot more mostly religious related information given, I summarized the event that I find very intriguing.

Link: http://iraap.org/rosales/2006.htm

You can read the LOOOONG version of this here:
http://www.ufodigest.com/wholestory3.html

..interesting, just earlier in this thread I remarked that "God created all" .. and it seems as though the Alien called Magnuss in the encounter with Mr Solamen, basically says the same thing.
Miracle Alien Girl
does anyone here think that the aliens are god. i'm not so sure.
demonic presence
i dont think that aliens created us. i think they are just studying us and maybe one day will live with us, share our planet or we will share their planet. but i dont think they are our gods
ex infernis
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 12:34 PM) [snapback]1244284[/snapback]

So what about these aliens, UFO’s, alien abductions and crop circles? Are there other life forms? Are people abducted by aliens and experimented on? Are crop circles created by these dame aliens?

It’s something I’ve often wondered myself. I’m a lover of astronomy and I’ve spent a good amount of time contemplating the heavens, stars, planets and the likelihood of there being other forms of life off in the vast universe we call home. However, I’m here to tell you that aliens, UFO’s alien abductions and crop circles are all the work of either angels or demons and they are created for two completely different reasons depending on who it is that is creating them.

Some of the phenomena witnessed is the wheels of the Cherubic Order fulfilling prophecy. They often appear as circles of lights before an earthquake, tidal wave, or even the eruption of a volcano. It is simply a Sign for the Record, and a visual Witness to Mankind. One example would be the event of April 3, 2001 in which “an enormous luminous and mysterious OVNI (Spanish acronym for UFO) moved across the sky over hillside homes in Colonia Olimpica, a barrio (neighborhood) on the outskirts of Guadalajara.

It happened again on March 5, 2001 over Popcatepetl and dozens of residents from local communities called radio stations to report a sighting that could be seen in particular area near the volcano. An eyewitness reported, “the object had movement, passed over the volcano, turned around and rotated.” A resident pointed out that the lights remained fixed in the sky while another moves around it. Popocatepetl has an elevation of 18,288 feet and is one of the places in Mexico where there is talk of suspicious lights and UFOs. A number of these reports have emanated from the mountain since its current cycle of active volcanism began in December 1994.

When demons create UFO lights, it is done in a unified effort by combining their energy and casting either circular or oddly shaped designs. The flux that occurs when the lights flicker or fade out suddenly, giving the viewer the impression that the “UFO” has vanished is actually the depletion of their combined energies. If they rev a recharge, that is when they come back into focus, then fade out again. That's because they have to fully recharge in order to hold for any length of time. They can do 90 degree turns on a dime because they are supernatural. Satan also has some ability to materialize matter. They use all of their abilities to their best advantage of fooling the masses in the different false beliefs that have been fostered by Satan over the centuries.

The demons want people to believe that this earth is being visited by other life forms from other planets, galaxies, etc. because the Creator is settling a dispute between Satan, his demons, and Mankind. The Azmon barrier is not only in place to keep Satan and his demons trapped on the detention plane, but it also serves to keep track of who enters the detention plane. And since the planets are not yet inhabited in creation except for the Earth, there are no other life forms created on the other planets. That is all part of the Creator's future plan for creation as a whole on the physical plane. If that were so, and life forms existed, they would be known to the Heavenly Court. In addition, there would be Records at the Great Hall of Records indicating their existence in volume upon volume, considering how many planets there are throughout the physical creation. But, there are no such Records in existence; and everything is recorded at the Great Hall.

Why do the demons want all of us to think there are life forms (aliens) visiting Earth? It is a trick by Satan to try and cover up the real issue at hand; which is, that the Earth is the hub of what is going on in creation. If Mankind believes other life forms exist, they discount the Scriptures. They often wonder "Why does the Bible not mention other life forms in the Universe of creation?" It is because they do not yet exist. We were created in God's image, just as the angel's were. That means we possess God's attributes. We are capable of love, sorrow, happiness, etc. But the main thing he granted everyone is free will.

There is nothing new under the Sun. The Bible tells us that. Satan seeks to resemble the creator in all that he does. Therefore, Satan has sacrifices in his own name, just like the Creator had His sacrifices. Satan fosters witchcraft, with a Coven of 13, in contrast to the 12 Apostles. The Creator has Christ as his Only Begotten Son. Satan wants a son as well. The alien abductions are nothing more than Satan trying to bring forth a child. He has not yet been successful. But it was a reality for many of the demons that caused the Nephilim prior to the Great Flood. They seek to do the same thing, and in doing so, give Satan what he wants. It is possible for Satan to physically create sperm with his genes in it, just as the demons did before the flood. And yes, they have tried in the past to cause pregnancies, but all have been failures. However, Satan draws off of genetic research, and thinks he can now be successful.

When Satan's demons pretend to be "Visitors," i.e., alien abductors, they take the person inside of an orb. There, they have the ability to perform experiments at trying to impregnate a female. They often examine to make certain the female is fertile. What Satan is trying, has been tried a number of times without success. His ability to manipulate matter gives the impression that the demons are aliens, and that you are in a spacecraft of some kind. But the truth is, you never leave this planet. You are inside the orb, and after they have finished, they use hypnosis or some other mind altering phenomena to try and repress the memories of the event.

The Crop Circles are nothing more than angelic writing. The same symbols appear at the Great Hall of Records. In some cases it is done by demons and in others, it's the Cherubic Order giving a visual record of a coming Prophecy. The demons often imitate what the Holy Angel's perform in the way of Signs. But when the demons do it, it means something entirely different.

The only way I know that a person might differentiate between which side is making lights in the sky, is if an event occurs; then that is usually associated with the Cherubic Order. But, if it's just lights or objects just for the sake of being seen, then that will be the demons. Like they did at the U.S. Air Force Base in England, years back. That was to give a case study that supported alien visitation to this planet. Satan is very crafty at what he does. And he considers himself the Father of Science. I know without a doubt that Satan is behind genetic research and the cloning of humans. It falls right in line with what he wants. If Mankind is not careful, Satan's demons will figure out a way to inhabit a cloned human - and I'm not talking about demonic possession. I'm talking about becoming that human clone. The famous Sheep that was cloned, aged quickly. Satan knows time is not on his side. That would be right up his alley to have a clone, age to maturity, quickly. If Satan really wants to be in human form as the Anti-Christ, that might be his avenue. If not successful, he'll have to settle for possession of the body as they often do with demon possessed people; but I know Satan, and that's not how he would like to do it.

I'm sorry i didn't get past the first paragraph
demonic presence
QUOTE(pyrokinetic_1 @ Jun 25 2006, 04:22 AM) [snapback]1244760[/snapback]

I'm sorry i didn't get past the first paragraph


lol
coldethyl
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 03:47 PM) [snapback]1244434[/snapback]

Well I do. But like I said...I'm not releasing it on a public message board before my book comes out. Sorry, but I have to protect my interests. It's titled: "Chosen: Spirit Realm Truths Revealed" and you'll be able to get it and see for yourself around August of this year.


SPAM

This thread is intended to fire people up and generate publicity for this book.

Of course, that's just my opinion.
But I'm usually right.
earthchick
Sasa......Your first post is interesting to say the least. I have to admit that I have often wondered about the Biblical reference to Satan as the "Prince of the Power of the Air" and how that could possibly correlate to some sightings of lights in the sky. I agree that demons, being fallen angels, would likely have remained beautiful in their true appearance, but take on ugly forms for their own reasons. Beyond those points though, I'm afraid you've lost me. Real physical unexplained crafts have shown up on radar screens. I do not believe these to be a manifestation of a demon's thought processes. I don't know if they are alien craft or secretive Earth-based craft, but they are real and solid when picked up by radar.
StaringBack
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1244598[/snapback]

Oh my goodness. I must have missed the newsflash when it came on. I was probably somewhere with my nose buried in a Bible. Aliens are now a FACT? Why didn't someone say so earlier???

What I've proposed IS an Opinion, Einstein.

I think the game you're really playing is called, "Lets Believe In Aliens, Even Though We Have NO Proof and Attack Everyone Who's Opinion Differs From Ours Especially If Has To Do With The Creator!" Yeah! Fun game...! And you guys are GOOD at it too!


Hey sweet! We're name calling now!

You probobly wouldn't have been so quickly attacked by others if you hadn't said things like "they are NOT real" and "they DON'T exist" (instead of starting off by saying something along the lines of "this is my opinion" or "this is what I believe" etc...).

I didn't say that aliens are now "fact", but based on your theories, I would conclude that you don't use much fact in your research, and therefore I was making fun of it. grin2.gif

But in all reality, is that unexplainable "blip" on a radar that coincides with a pilot's first hand sighting not fact? That doesn't mean that aliens are fact, but the sighting and the radar "blip" are. I guess that's where (according to you) the whole "a bunch of demons get together to play jokes on us humans by gathering energy in the shape of a UFO" thing comes in.

Also, what about the daylight sightings? Things have been seen/photographed/video taped in broad daylight where no lights were visible. You failed to cover that subject. Maybe those weren't recorded in the almighty "Great Hall"? *laughs to myself*

Oh and heaven forbid you post your evidence, it'd be such a shame to have your AWESOME idea stolen! rolleyes.gif

I think I agree with you coldethyl.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(McKenna @ Jun 25 2006, 03:11 AM) [snapback]1244705[/snapback]

does anyone here think that the aliens are god. i'm not so sure.



I think there are religious connections as far as the UFO enigma is concerned. For an example, was the star mentioned in the Bible the Three Wise Men followed really a star or a real UFO? Do the UFOs in the backgrounds of the following paintings resemble the UFO in the following photo?


http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art/maryufo2.jpg

http://www.ufoindia.org/images/paranormal/..._Of_Mary(2).jpg


UFO Photo

http://www.ufocasebook.com/ontariohamiltonlarge.jpg



Alien Chronicles

Compelling Evidence For UFOs and Extraterrestrial Encounters in Art & Texts Since Ancient Times


http://hiddenmysteries.com/redir/indexmh02.html



UFOs and the Bible Connection

http://www.bibleufo.com/



And, there was Fatima in 1917.


http://users.ev1.net/~seektress/fatima1.htm

http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/0205/news/ufo_fatima.html

http://users.ev1.net/~seektress/fatimufo.htm



Could there be more to the story of UFOs and religion than we are being told?

Ichigo
I believe that aliens created us so for us they are like "gods"
But I heard that there are a few kinds of aliens
Like the greys? are they different from the other aliens ppl see?
I heard that those are the aliens that abducte ppl and are doing all kinds of experiments
What if the greys were the devils and the other kind aliens were the "god" or the angel?
bwahha just a though grin2.gif
hazzard
QUOTE(Ichigo @ Jun 25 2006, 08:08 AM) [snapback]1244892[/snapback]

I believe that aliens created us so for us they are like "gods"
But I heard that there are a few kinds of aliens



Extraterrestrial life is life that may exist and originate outside the planet Earth, the only place in the Universe known to support life. Its existence is currently hypothetical.

There is as yet no evidence of extraterrestrial life that has been accepted by scientists.

Speculative forms of extraterrestrial life range from humanoid and monstrous beings seen in works of science fiction to life at the much smaller scale of bacteria . I have said this before, my money is on the Jupiter moon Europa, in this starsystem.



nitr0gen
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Jun 25 2006, 12:38 AM) [snapback]1244771[/snapback]

SPAM

This thread is intended to fire people up and generate publicity for this book.

Of course, that's just my opinion.
But I'm usually right.


You're wrong this time. I asked her to come here after I joined. She is the friend I mentioned in another post in another thread.
nitr0gen
QUOTE(pyrokinetic_1 @ Jun 25 2006, 12:22 AM) [snapback]1244760[/snapback]

I'm sorry i didn't get past the first paragraph


Wow. That post was so intelligent it was beyond my mental capacity. To insult someone's post without even giving a reason as to why is very child-like. Or, do you not really have an opinion, you just prefer to agree with what everyone else is saying?? hmm.gif
nitr0gen
QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 25 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1244863[/snapback]

Hey sweet! We're name calling now!

Geez..how many names was she called before she called you Einstein?

QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 25 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1244863[/snapback]

You probobly wouldn't have been so quickly attacked by others if you hadn't said things like "they are NOT real" and "they DON'T exist" (instead of starting off by saying something along the lines of "this is my opinion" or "this is what I believe" etc...).

But everyone else can state their opinion as fact? So I guess it's just wrong for her to do it because you don't agree with her. Yeah...that makes sense. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 25 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1244863[/snapback]

I didn't say that aliens are now "fact", but based on your theories, I would conclude that you don't use much fact in your research, and therefore I was making fun of it. grin2.gif

Making fun? Please grow up.

QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 25 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1244863[/snapback]

Also, what about the daylight sightings? Things have been seen/photographed/video taped in broad daylight where no lights were visible. You failed to cover that subject. Maybe those weren't recorded in the almighty "Great Hall"? *laughs to myself*

Again with the making fun. Shunning what you don't understand is close-minded.

QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 25 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1244863[/snapback]

Oh and heaven forbid you post your evidence, it'd be such a shame to have your AWESOME idea stolen! rolleyes.gif

I think I agree with you coldethyl.

Wow, sarcasm and an eye-roll. I'm impressed.
CongressmanReality
Aliens dont exisit? Well who are those 3 guys i'm paying 50 bucks a month to cut my grass, plant flowers and wash my cars...
hazzard
QUOTE(CongressmanReality @ Jun 25 2006, 02:16 PM) [snapback]1245068[/snapback]

Aliens dont exisit? Well who are those 3 guys i'm paying 50 bucks a month to cut my grass, plant flowers and wash my cars...


50 bucks! You cheap bast*** laugh.gif

Back on topik.

When looking for life on other planets, some simplifying assumptions are useful to reduce the size of the task of astrobiologists. One is to assume that the vast majority of life-forms in our galaxy are based on carbon chemistries, as are all life-forms on Earth. While it is possible that non carbon-based life exists, carbon is well known for the unusually wide variety of molecules that can be formed around it.

Were there is water.

The presence of liquid water is also a useful assumption, as it is a common molecule and provides an excellent environment for the formation of complicated carbon-based molecules that could eventually lead to the emergence of life.I hope I get to se the day when we find life on another planet/moon, even bacteria. That could indicate that life is as common in the universe as it is on Earth.
chaoszerg
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 25 2006, 01:15 AM) [snapback]1244591[/snapback]

You're right - you're wrong. I only mentioned my book because someone wanted the proof and I wanted to explain why I wouldn't show it here. And, since I was also accused of not actually having the proof, I wanted to mention where He/She/They COULD see it eventually. That is all. Damned if I do damned if I don't aren't I...? hmm.gif

Why are you so concerned about how far down the ladder Satanists are and who told me? Are you one of them?



okay if im wrong then i appologize sorry if it offended. Im not really concerned for satanists but alot of people tend to look down on them because of movies and some of the extremists that do bad things in the name of satan but most of the time they are friendly people just with different beliefs. So i was just wondering if you thought they were the bloodthirsty type lol. Also i was just wondering if it was a DEMON who told you? And i have noticed your friend quickly defending you. You have a good friend but i hope your friend does ot think i am attacking you lol im just interested but it does look like you were really trying to prmote your book but again im sorry for being wrong.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(hazzard @ Jun 25 2006, 10:08 AM) [snapback]1244959[/snapback]

Extraterrestrial life is life that may exist and originate outside the planet Earth, the only place in the Universe known to support life. Its existence is currently hypothetical.

There is as yet no evidence of extraterrestrial life that has been accepted by scientists.
ystem[/i].



There has been a lot of talking about UFOs amongst scientist over the years and some have come away with a whole new outlook on the UFO enigma. J. Allen Hynek, James McDonald and Stanton Friedman are but a few of the many scientist whose investigations point directly to ET visitation.

Scientist and Engineers at Wright-Patterson AFB and those who were involved in Projects' Mogul and Skyhook in New Mexico were also amongst those who declared that some UFOs are "interplanetary spaceships." A former Air Force commander of Wright-Patterson AFB confirmed that ET vehicles were taken to his base for examinations, which would explain the mission of the U.S. Army's "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) whose mission was to recover downed UFOs.

A few years ago, the U.S. Army confirmed the existence of the IPU and it is well known today that "Project Moon Dust" and "Operation Blue Fly" were used to facilitate the mission of the IPU. Let's take a look at some of those scientist and their positions on UFOs.

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J. Allen Hynek

"He continued in this position with the subsequent and much longer Project Blue Book, gradually shifting over the years from a position of extreme skepticism to one in which he believed that UFOs represent "an aspect or domain of the natural world not yet explored by science."

http://www.cohenufo.org/sepost_66_hynek.1.html

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/H/Hynek.html
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James McDonald

"Regardless of what ultimate explanation is found for the UFO phenomena, the present scientific neglect and ridicule must be replaced by scientific concern and intensive study. My recommendation to the Outer Space Affairs Group is that it seek all possible means of securing worldwide attention to this problem. The first need is for erasing the ridicule that is quite clearly suppressing open reporting of sightings of unconventional objects in the air and on the ground. ...

"A wide range of electromagnetic disturbances accompanying close passage or hovering of the UFOs is now on record throughout the world -- despite this record not yet being admitted into what one would ordinarily call the "scientific record". Disturbance of internal-combustion engines coincident with close passage of disc-like or cylindrical unconventional objects is on record in at least several hundred instances. Often the disturbances are accompanied by broad-spectrum electromagnetic noise picked up on radio devices. In many instances compasses, both on ships and in aircraft, have been disturbed. Magnetometers and even watches have been affected. All these reports point to some kind of electromagnetic noise or electromagnetic side-effects that offer promise for design of new sensing devices, which will only be developed when competent engineers and physicists take seriously the rapidly growing body of reports of close-range, low-altitude sightings."

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc758.htm
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Stanton Friedman

"Stanton Friedman takes a clear-cut unambiguous stand that SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft, that the subject of flying saucers represents a Cosmic Watergate, that none of the anti-UFO arguments made by a variety of noisy negativists stand up to careful scrutiny, and that we are dealing with the biggest story of the past millennium: visits to Planet Earth by alien spacecraft and the successful coverup by governments of the best data: alien wreckage and bodies recovered in New Mexico, for 59 years."

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfbio.html
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Many scientist laugh at the UFO eingima but when they investigate, they laugh no more.
skyeagle409
ET controlled UFOs are a reality and our government has known that fact for decades. In the mid-1960's, the Air Force admitted that many of Project Blue Book's explained case files were flawed. To put that testimony in perspective, many of Blue Book's explained files are actually unexplained. In other words, the number of unexplained files currently listed in Project Blue Book are much higher. While the government denies the existence of UFOs, let's take a look at what has been taking place behind closed doors

___________________________________________________________________________


SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED
FLYING OBJECTS

HEARINGS
BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS
U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NINETIETH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION

JULY 29, 1968

[No. 7]

Printed for the use of the Committee on Science and Astronautics

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON: 1968



GENERAL DISCUSSION AMONG SYMPOSIUM PARTICIPANTS


Mr. Roush. Thank you, Dr. Baker.

I anticipated we would have difficulty keeping the members of the committee here at a time when important legislation is considered on the floor. We thought we would reserve the final few minutes for those of you who have made presentations to discuss among yourselves questions which may have been aroused by one of your colleagues' presentation today. With that in mind, we are going to permit you to have a real free for all. Dr. Sagan.

Dr. Sagan. I just wanted to underline one point that Dr. Baker made. Congressman Roush, in his detailed presentation of the various Air Force systems, I am afraid that the main point won't come across to a lay audience, and that is that with relatively little expenditure of funds, it would be possible to significantly improve the available information.

Apparently what is now happening is that the Air Force surveillance radar is throwing away the data that is of relevance for this inquiry. In other words, if it sees something that is not on a ballistic trajectory, or not in orbit, it ignores it, it throws it in the garbage.
Well, that garbage is just the area of our interest. So if some method could be devised by the Air Force to save the output that they are throwing away from these space surveillance radars, it might be the least expensive way to significantly improve our information about these phenomena.


Now, could the data that Dr. Carl Sagan is referring to be the surveillance assets of NORAD?


http://members.fortunecity.com/prisyura1/dsp.html#
skyeagle409
Air Force Intelligence Manual, AFM 200-3

The Air Technical Intelligence Center is responsible for the prevention of technological surprise."



Look at the cover of the Air Force Intelligence Manual, which depicts an image of an Air Force B-47 and flying saucers. Is the Air Force trying to tell us something?


http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/nucman.jpg


http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case665.htm



In 1952, an Air Force Intelligence report on UFO maneuvers specifically concludes in so many words that if UFOs conduct maneuvers as been reported over the years, then the UFOs are not ours.

weasel
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 25 2006, 01:19 AM) [snapback]1244593[/snapback]

For your information, the Proof will also be available via my website where you can view it for FREE. I'm just not releasing the proof you ask for until after my book is published.


yeah i bet you release these "facts" on your website after your book has made maximum PROFITS thumbsup.gif
StaringBack
QUOTE(Lost-Marbles @ Jun 25 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1245039[/snapback]
Geez..how many names was she called before she called you Einstein?

Hmmm....don't recall ever calling her names, maybe you should read my posts.

QUOTE(Lost-Marbles @ Jun 25 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1245039[/snapback]
But everyone else can state their opinion as fact? So I guess it's just wrong for her to do it because you don't agree with her. Yeah...that makes sense. rolleyes.gif

Everyone should state their opinions as opinions, why else would I call her on it? She's the one that started this thread, she wanted people to know about her "theory" that she didn't present as a theory.

QUOTE(Lost-Marbles @ Jun 25 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1245039[/snapback]
Making fun? Please grow up.

I'll make fun of a stupid idea (in my opinion) as I please.

QUOTE(Lost-Marbles @ Jun 25 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1245039[/snapback]
Again with the making fun. Shunning what you don't understand is close-minded.

I'm not shunning what I don't understand, I'm shunning what is absurd. To tell you the truth, like I said on page 1, I wish people would stop trying to explain things through fairy-tales so our society can progress to something a little more intelligent.

QUOTE(Lost-Marbles @ Jun 25 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1245039[/snapback]
Wow, sarcasm and an eye-roll. I'm impressed.

Oh, and now you're MAKING FUN of me for an EYE-ROLL! HAHAHAHA I can point out all sorts of hypocrisy in that statement. *Cough* second quote *cough*.

Let's break it down:

1. Sarcasm in your second and last quotes.

2. An eye roll in your second quote.

3. Pretty sure the entire last quote was directed in a "making fun of" manner towards me.

Have a nice day. thumbsup.gif
makaya325
i dont think aliens arent real, i think there must be other life out there, whether its bacteria or animals, but if ur talking about civilizations, thats kind of complex. if u put in all those factors for intelligent life to arise, its small, but consider all those stars, u would get only about 20-100 civilizations in the universe.
makaya325
QUOTE(mauricinho @ Jun 25 2006, 01:53 AM) [snapback]1244657[/snapback]

aliens are real, millions of planets in a galaxy, millions of galaxies in the universe... to think we are the only ones is dumb


i wouldnt say millions, but 100's of billion galaxies each with 100's billion stars. but not everyone of them is habitable
stephen84
How can there be an argument that aliens don't exist? Aren't humans aliens? And if God created man in his own image wouldn't that make Him an alien/race of aliens? That would explain ufo's.
rapid7

IMO It’s going to be a cold day in hell before these aliens could ever be ‘verified’ and identified as demons without the use of personal faith. I can't see how this could be done using scientific methods?

anyone?
skyeagle409
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Jun 25 2006, 09:06 PM) [snapback]1245401[/snapback]

IMO It’s going to be a cold day in hell before these aliens could ever be ‘verified’ and identified as demons without the use of personal faith. I can't see how this could be done using scientific methods?

anyone?



I don't believe aliens are demons at all since old religious paintings, the Bible and the 1917 events at Fatima seem to depict aliens in a different light. The true demons that mankind need to fear are the demons within mankind itself. After all, mankind's plight on Earth over the centuries can be directly attributed to his own demons within, not to alien beings.

If aliens were true demons, life on Earth would become unbearable for all.


StaringBack
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Jun 25 2006, 04:06 PM) [snapback]1245401[/snapback]

IMO It’s going to be a cold day in hell before these aliens could ever be ‘verified’ and identified as demons without the use of personal faith. I can't see how this could be done using scientific methods?

anyone?


I don't think I understand. Are you saying that the only way to prove the "demon/alien/ufo" theory is by using your own personal faith? Faith and proof are completely different in my book. Having faith in something most definitely doesn't prove its existence. Maybe I just misunderstood what you're saying?
rapid7

QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 25 2006, 10:02 PM) [snapback]1245453[/snapback]

I don't think I understand. Are you saying that the only way to prove the "demon/alien/ufo" theory is by using your own personal faith? Faith and proof are completely different in my book. Having faith in something most definitely doesn't prove its existence.


No, I've saying the opposite, the only way to prove the existance of these aliens is via science.


StaringBack
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Jun 25 2006, 05:05 PM) [snapback]1245458[/snapback]

No, I've saying the opposite, the only way to prove the existance of these aliens is via science.


Ohhhh ok, then I've got your back on that one bro thumbsup.gif.
WereScrib
Hey! Well, I have some kind of bizarre feeling I have grown a dislike for the starter of this thread, as she seems to claim to have personal knowledge of the entirety of the cosmos. Now so you know, I am Christian, although currently I would list myself as non-denominational, although I lean towards the Separatists.

But I would first have to write that simply to say God only populated this planet out of all of creation seems a bit silly. Striking me like the statement "God is Love" which is a rather demeaning statement to a being beyond mortal comprehension and understanding. Kinda the whole "putting God in a box" type thing. Although you are right about angels and demons being of the same stock. ...But in general I think the author may be one of those many people who convince the populace Christians are nutcases. After all, the whole "i am not apart of any orginized religion other than Christianity" Is it just me, or is that an extremely illogical statement?

However, I have to agree that Aliens from other planets are probably not visiting us. It seems illogical that Aliens could make it to our planet without some kind of dimensional folding technology, (or some other method of crossing such a vast amount of space in a small amount of time.)

If they do have such technology, I seriously doubt any extraterrestials would engage in idiotic abductions. Cataloguing and tagging is one thing, but sexual experiments and interbreeding is just plain silly. Unless Aliens are simply humans from another planet, but even then it is silly as to why they would be experimenting other than some kind of sadistic pleasure. I could understand mutilations, as it is generally known that to best understand something you need to take it apart. But again, and again, and again? Why not simply abduct a breeding population of everything on Earth, then put them into some kind of Zoo, where they could be observed and studied and any excess could be dissected for research?

I am certain that almost all abductions are delusional. Too many people seem to think "oh, I'm perfectly sane, therefore I can't be having delusions and hallucinations and lucid dreams" Yet thousands of perfectly sane people exhibit insane tendencies. Its like what Steven king said, everyone is insane. Some people just hide it better than others.

As to NORAD and UFO's... Unidentified Flying Object is a wee bit different than Alien spacecraft. It shows up as an object on Radar, that does not prove it is material, it simply means it reflects Radar. You know non-physical phenomena can reflect sound, radio, etc. There are a few Dead zones where no radio can pierce and the various Vortexes around the world bend light without a physical presence. Why are we so apt to believe such things as sight and radar?

Oh! Umm.. Before anyone Tar & Feathers me or pounds a stake through my heart... These are freakin' opinions and are not (last time I checked) hard facts.
Moro
QUOTE(WereScrib @ Jun 26 2006, 02:50 AM) [snapback]1246073[/snapback]

Hey! Well, I have some kind of bizarre feeling I have grown a dislike for the starter of this thread, as she seems to claim to have personal knowledge of the entirety of the cosmos. Now so you know, I am Christian, although currently I would list myself as non-denominational, although I lean towards the Separatists.

But I would first have to write that simply to say God only populated this planet out of all of creation seems a bit silly. Striking me like the statement "God is Love" which is a rather demeaning statement to a being beyond mortal comprehension and understanding. Kinda the whole "putting God in a box" type thing. Although you are right about angels and demons being of the same stock. ...But in general I think the author may be one of those many people who convince the populace Christians are nutcases. After all, the whole "i am not apart of any orginized religion other than Christianity" Is it just me, or is that an extremely illogical statement?

However, I have to agree that Aliens from other planets are probably not visiting us. It seems illogical that Aliens could make it to our planet without some kind of dimensional folding technology, (or some other method of crossing such a vast amount of space in a small amount of time.)

If they do have such technology, I seriously doubt any extraterrestials would engage in idiotic abductions. Cataloguing and tagging is one thing, but sexual experiments and interbreeding is just plain silly. Unless Aliens are simply humans from another planet, but even then it is silly as to why they would be experimenting other than some kind of sadistic pleasure. I could understand mutilations, as it is generally known that to best understand something you need to take it apart. But again, and again, and again? Why not simply abduct a breeding population of everything on Earth, then put them into some kind of Zoo, where they could be observed and studied and any excess could be dissected for research?

I am certain that almost all abductions are delusional. Too many people seem to think "oh, I'm perfectly sane, therefore I can't be having delusions and hallucinations and lucid dreams" Yet thousands of perfectly sane people exhibit insane tendencies. Its like what Steven king said, everyone is insane. Some people just hide it better than others.

As to NORAD and UFO's... Unidentified Flying Object is a wee bit different than Alien spacecraft. It shows up as an object on Radar, that does not prove it is material, it simply means it reflects Radar. You know non-physical phenomena can reflect sound, radio, etc. There are a few Dead zones where no radio can pierce and the various Vortexes around the world bend light without a physical presence. Why are we so apt to believe such things as sight and radar?

Oh! Umm.. Before anyone Tar & Feathers me or pounds a stake through my heart... These are freakin' opinions and are not (last time I checked) hard facts.

\
Whatever happened to the creator of this thread?
Did they break under such BS?
Duki
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]1244377[/snapback]

Goes to show just how much YOU know. I'm not "Religious" at all. I don't even belong to an organized religion other than Christianity. I'm a paranormal researcher, demonologist and author. I've stumbled across a pretty interesting explination that I feel could very well be the truth behind the "Alien" phenomena and I'm sharing it. If you're too nimbleminded or blind to see and/or understand it because you have a problem with religion or Christianity or both, then that's your problem dude.



SOUNDED LIKE A SERIOUS RELIGIOUS BASED RESPONSE TO ME!!
Duki
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