UFO Theory

Hi, I am blazeboy. I am a noobie at the forum. I'm just very interested in UFO and stuff so I signed up for it. Looks great. Now I am going to post my Theory of UFOs.

UFO photos
I seen all the UFO pictures on this site and all of them are just fakes. How do I know? Well, all of them are round objects(stereo type) and most of the photos taken, the UFO's are straight but the objects such as trees or clouds are on a angle or the opposite, this means they made the object and put it on a class than toke a picture or put the UFO afterwards. The ones that do seem real...the background are perfectly fine but the UFO is blur, that means it is a fake or it is spinning, but all the angles are just too ridicoulous. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/galle...hp?image_id=434
Look at this for example, the trees are perfectly fine but the UFO is very unclear and on a angle, about 25 degrees while the tree is around 0-10 degrees. The UFO might be turning and spinning, but now look at the plane next to it... Fake!

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/galle...hp?image_id=433
Now this, the plane is possibly real but the UFO is just a oval paper glued on a window because of the angle of the UFO and because if it was real, and the UFO was actually that size...than the picture should be at least 2X clealer.

UFO and Government Secrets

A lot of people beleive that the USA government is trying to hide aliens and UFOs, but most of them are hippies who were smoking marijuanna and watching a alien movie, they dont have a job so they protest or just make up a story so other people would beleive it. If aliens do come to earth, why do they only coop with USA? If they were trying to go with the most advanced country why not USSR when they were equal to USA in the 60-80's.

Area 51 is a quite famous place for nerds. Because of all the UFO sightings and may be that is where they put all the aliens (haha). Well, the truth is it is just a testing and building ground for new planes and other stuff for the mulitary.

UFO sightings

Now this is very simple, if ETs had the technology to travel as fast or faster than light, and they were trying to hide from Earthlings how would they not make themselves invisible and quiet, because of the hovering sound UFO's are suppose to make.

Alien Abduction

This is the only thing i dont know for sure. If you ever watched those Star Trek or LIlo or STich movies where the aliens are so advanced they consider humans animals so they don't disturb us, and just experiment on us to find more about life in their world. Like the scientist do today, they experiment with other animals to learn about them so we can really understand ourselves. Or if you dont understand, than if we did find life on mars but they were still homo eructus, a lot of us would protest of taking over mars and disturbing them, but may be a few would be taken to earth to be experimented.

Now this is only some of my theories, i cant remember them all and I am too lazy to finish it, please reply and tell me what you think.

First of all,welcome blazeboy84

Well I have to disagree with your claims in the ufo and government secrets.Maybe it's not just as simple as you've thought it was.I don't really know how to come out with some good explanations but I realized something.We knew that in the 60-80's,the Russians and the US were...well,roughly equal or equal but from that point onwards,the Americans were really ahead and have 'overtaken' the Russians by hell of a lot and have established themselves as the most advance nation in this world.At times,you're just astonished by what the Americans has to offer.What the world has today in tech perspective have the Americans to thank.I don't have bad intentions or saying that the Americans would be dumbies without alien help,but this is something to look at.....

As for the Area 51 thing,if it's some military test-site,I understand that it has to be well-guarded,you know just in case some 'rat' infiltrates the area,that's not too good right?But I mean they really put in every effort just to protect the area,over-protecting it I might say like as if there's.......super stuff inside or something.

Well I might not be all-right with my explanations so I certainly hope others would give thier respective views about this too

you have obviously never been to japan

Welcome blazeboy84.

I think it's good to view this subject with a skeptical eye, but some of your facts aren't right.

Yes, i do know what you mean Engulf. A51 is not that simple to explain, but I know for a fact that it is a Testing ground for new mulitary weapons and vehicle. You can't just look at what they are doing in A51 but the fact that, the closeset star is 4.5 light years away, just say the aliens live on a planet circling that star, it would take them at least 4.5 years to get here.

And also, if ALiens were helping the States, than how come we don't have the technology to travel as fast as light or even close? And how come the spaceship we have now would not be replaced by spaceships build by aliens?

No, they are not selfish. They just dont want them to get into he wrong hands. And also, every country has some kind of secret. But for the US government its MIB and A51. But they really come from films and rumors spread by russians so the citizens of america would go on strike or something so the US government would have to show the new technologies, than the russians would steal them and make better copies of the technology, its a basic trick called "Set weakness in enemy if enemy has none" in the Book of War tastics wrote by a famous chinese commander.

Mmm,I see.Yup I have to say that I agree with you.If the tech does fall to the wrong hands,then it's big danger for them.Still I have some doubts about them though......maybe it's just me

But about the thing that you said about the Russians spreading rumors about the MIB and wierdness in Area 51,somehow I still don't quite think that way.It's not like some.....rumor you know what I'm saying?It does actually happen with all those happenings like those MIBs would tend to pop themselves up in front of some guy who actually witnessed a UFO or alien entity not so long ago,without him telling anyone yet!!I don't have any good MIB sites,but please do check them out.There's just lots of intriguing stuff.

I personally think that these ufo encounters are real. Many are probably fakes, but you've got to take into consideration that people have been sighting these objects for thousands of years, in every continent, nation, tribe, etc...

To say that the USA is in cooperation with these aliens is absurd! Our military has a fear of releasing this information because of the chaotic response we would have.

Interesting post.

also the government is smart...i know its smarter than me other wise id be working there, and if i was in possesion of alien technologys (i.e. speed of light) i would not just up and release it, id slowly leak it out to the public giving the effect of it blossoming, rather than we wake up tomorow and all of a sudden we got floating, noiseless, ufo's that can travel the speed of light, get what im saying?

I have found some good photoshop photos that people made, like wierd animals thats looks like real, here is a good one on a face on a human thumb. Looks real as hell...but fake http://www.photoshopcontest.com/viewpost?post_id=38694

And heres some picture of fake But real looking weird animals.
http://www.worth1000.com/cache/gallery/con...?contest_id=756 This is just to show you how technology has envolged and people now can make real looking spaceships (UFOs).

Now thx for posting guys. It's like a real debate here. Well, again,, if the USA did have very good connections with the aliens, why the United States? But why don't the aliens help countries like africa? Also, as i said earlier, if we did find life on mars, perhaps at the age of Roman Empire, and we visit them, would we just help the ROmans so they can take over more countries and threaten everywhere? I do beleive the aliens might visit the earth, but just working with the US government is just bizzare. ANd you do have a good point about working slowly, and if you guys beleive in MIB. Man how much marijuanna you smoke! Now lets just say there is a star trek ship with all those people just voyaging threw space... And star wars with Jedis, who wouldn't want that? Humans are gifted, we imagine the unreal world, and make it reality. Just 500 years ago, people thought earth was the center of the Universe. I do beleive in Aliens of course and they might of helped the egyptions build the pyramid etc. I'm not saying they dont exist, im just saying whhy is all the pictures of UFOs so unreal. You have to look at the background first and tell me what angle is the tree or airplane behind the UFO is and tell me the angle of the UFO, than you have to see how close the plane is or tree is then see how close the UFO is. Is it possible for the UFO to be 200 above and be huge but you can barely see a detail of it except the oval. If the plane was turning wouldnt you see the smoke trail? If the alien ship was in front of you wouldnt you see a different shape than a perfect oval. And why are all the alien ship taken all cicular but not triangle or even have wings etc.

Even if the government is cooperating with aliens, there would be maximum 2 kinds of aliens. The closest star is 4.5 light years away, the closest star that might contain life on one of its planet is 100 light years away...And its the Closiest. These are astronomers and scientists from all over the earth finding these informations. If the government was trying to hide information, then they would have to pay or even brian wash these scientists. I don't beleive there isn't 1 scientist who refuses this, they would of told and made big news if they said they saw UFOs, and they are proffesional astronomors who look at the sky all the time, people who can tell from asteriod in space and a comet in space.

If there was some kind of alien form on a plane 100 light years away, what makes you so sure they are advanced? It could be possible with a planet full of wildlife. Like .5 millions years before our ancestors became superior than other animals. Even if there is, it would take them at least a couple of years to come to earth, if they make a X5 light speed. Which almost seems impossible.

If i was a alien i would help the africans so they wont suffer, because more advanced civilization means untrustworthy. Technology is growing fast doesn't mean aliens are helping the US government, what about INtel and other companies? So the aliens only help rich companies? If we did find aliens thats not as advanced we would try to help the suffering aliens and instead helping just 1 tribe we would help the most needed, and introduce them to our homeland. Also the closiest star is too far away! I would say aliens might of visited Earth a long time ago and now. But working with the US government just sounds way too ridicoulous.

Hoho hold it blazeboy,you didn't get me the first time around.Ok,think of the aliens currently helping the African tribes.It'll be like helping the Egyptians all over again!!And think again how long mankind took to learn until what we've achieved right now,don't give me the hundreds of years again??Moreover it I think it'll take hell even longer than those Egyptian people would have taken to develope 'till now.Sorry but if you look at the condition on most parts of Africa,it's just.......not too good,don't mean anything rude in my words though.

The UK has its fair share of coverups, Rendelsham being its most famous. Along with the pilot that went missing in norfolk, Mendwith Hill base (yorks), CCC (corsham computer centre(nickname)) in wilts, Rudloe Manor. i have a huge list of UGBs in the UK, UFO sightings galore, and what does the government do? debunk, explain away, what your seeing isn't a alien but a chimpanzee with no hair, thats not a flying saucer its rhino droppings. I doubt very much either government would release any proper information, unless of course the little grey critters land in our backyards with "I went to Area 51 and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" t-shirt.

great discussion, but let's face up to the facts, what the US gov do'nt want us to know, we wont know, and it's not only the US that do it, they all do. It's the "let's not panic the masses" factor and look at it this way, would you work for a government that admitted that it could'nt control it's own airspace? incidently i'm new to all this forum thingy how my doin'?

this is just me taking, but i dont think that UFO's are from other worlds at all. i think that they are our own crafts that the gov. is trying out. look at all the facts. the gov. made the stealth way back in the 60's and just let the public know about it in the early 90's. and that thing is still cool. imagine what they have done by now. my uncle had some top military clearence and was able to enter some of the testing places, of course he hasnt told me details and probably never will just because he is that way, but he said the stuff he saw in the feild of propultion alone was just mind bogaling and he was a professor of chemistry and physics. i know that sounds a little shady, but i beleive him, by no means am i telling all of you guy too. also remember the video footage of the craft that could hover about 10 feet above the ground and they said they were going to give up because they couldnt figure out how to get it stabel? yeah right. but that is just my theorys.

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Feelings, they do not need to have. But some kind of currency they must in order to be advanced. If there is no some kind of currency than every alien can have everything. And how would you know that? SO they are low lifes but super smart people who helps the US government. Also I said why Intel and computers devolope so fast that has nothing to do with the US government?

Engulf, I don't understand your point. ALl your saying is

QUote why dont they help the Africans"

you said they have no feelings, prove it or lose it.

And then you said there is no currency in other planets, prove it. Your just guessing about what you beleive in. Can you please put up some information instead of just guessing out of thing air and just saying what you think is right.

For example, i think Aliens are helping the US government because of the fast growing technology. By some other guy, that was understandable. Im not trying to offend you I just dont get what your trying to say. And when I said it was ridicoulous, it was my own opinion, partly fact. And you said there is Nasa and fast technology, what about Japan, and china and russia and a lot more countries have their own space programs... Coverups is needed. Every country has its own Intelligence and Secrets that cant be shared. Thats why there is FBI and CIA. CIA finds out other secrets, and etc. A51 is a alien base, can you give me some facts instead of just saying about its security.

Engulf I can see you are a very mysterious and mystical kind of person. You think earth is hollow and beleive in mystical creatures...

Blaze boy,

Heres some points to consider:

Would a alien civilisation have currency, maybe back in its history yes, but maybe they have realised that working for the good of the race and its civ, is reward enough? If we as a species helped each other instead of bartering with money we would get a lot more things done, and solve alot more problems, everything nowadays revolves around money.

Feelings emotions, I believe us as a race have a unique ability to feel emotion, most of it is raw animal instincts, maybe they have evolved beyond this, if we continue on our current course, we will eventually wipe ourselves out with war. War is started by emotions, one country gets angry with anohter, maybe jealous of another, and it starts its how all wars start. Maybe aliens have lost there emotions in favor of logic like the vulcans in star trek, thus they would have no need to squabble with each other, and again get alot more things done and solve alot more problems.

Yes maybe we are getting some help from extra terretrial intelligence or terrestrial intelligence, but don't give the aliens all the credit, we have brains to, and alot of wonderful things have been born from our minds.

Why don't they help the africans? Its all our problems not theirs, they didn't come here to help us only to observe us maybe, give us a push in the right direction. Now look at it from your point of view, say you were the aliens, and you wanted to formally contact the people of the planet, logically speaking the first choice would be the most technologically sophisticated country on the planet, as they represent what we have achieved as a species, and are looked up to by other nations.

I said my bit, and golam your doing jus fine

Good points. I just didnt know what engulf had meant.

Now to the currency issues. Just say there are no currencies, then they get all the stuff from the government, that means everyone gets everything, and people who arent as talented like dumb aliens gets huge houses and "mercedes" spaceships etc. So that means a lot of the people wont do nothing and just sit there and get free stuff? Then the government probably will give more stuff to the people who are more important, but isnt that the same thing as currencies? THere must be some kind of bargain or its korupted, unless people have to get their own food, make their own things. But that would separate communities. For example, there is a farmer, a dum@ss and a baker in a community. The farmer farms then give the stuff to the baker, the baker bakes it and everyone eats it, and the dumbass who doesnt do stuff while surely only get a couple of food. SO isn't work=stuff which is bargain for the community.

And when I said if i was a alien I would help africa, I did not mean if I was a alien I would help africa. I was just trying to say why HELPING The UNited States but not why other countries. If aliens dont know anything about ggood and evil, love and hate, poor and rich why would they choose only the united states? Also If they were so intelligent they must have desire. Desire for love, desire for hate, etc. If there is no emotion in a intelligent brain, then... I dont know what will happen. They would probably be stupid and would destroy earth etc.

Sorry I guess I was indeed talking without adequate stuff to fully back it up.
And thank you Blood Angel for doing my part of the job done. ok....

Oh I missed this one earlier.

OK blaze heres whats going down,

you say that ones that work hard will get rewards and those that are lazy do not, remember about the emotions:

Laziness is a emotion, what do you say when your lazy? you can't be bothered to do anything, or you don't feel like doing it, i'm talking about beings that have thrown away there emotions for logic, and logically there wouln't be any laziness, its inefficient, all will work to the best of there abilitys, none are treated any better than another, as pride is also a emotion, they won't work more for more rewards, thats greed another emotion. To put it simply emotion drives our civilisation, to advance more we need to stop bringing emotion into our daily work/research equation, then we will get more things done. Working to better your civilisation, knowing that you do as much as the next "man" and getting the same thing as the next "man" means no jealousy another emotion. I know its difficult to grasp because we as a race have never been without emotions, and emotion is the key factor here.

The rewards they recieve isn't bartering or currency, remember they aren't going to be lazy (emotion), if they have a government (which i hope to the gods they have a far more efficent government than we do) they are the administration, in order to keep the workers alive they provide them with food, to keep the work stable they provide the materials which are provided to them by other workers its a vicious circle, that goes on and on.

All Intelligent life forms must have emotion. Fine, put it this way, there is someone that has a more important job that will require a lot more studying hours as a child. Like a scientist for example and someone who just study a little and now they clean the streets. Would you give a scientist more stuff or the guy who cleans the street? If you give everyone the same amount, for sure a lot will just stay home and watch TV.

Ok I'm back.

Anyway as I was saying,it may well be that the current saucers we're viewing are just manmade crafts afterall.And if anyone's gonna do it,I'd point fingers to the US and the British,but I'm not ruling others out with that too.

For what I think,there could only be 2 ways that the US could have gotten this technology.
1.They stole the blueprints for this after infiltrating the Nazis' main bases.
2.They have already begun co-ops with a more advanced alien race (the EBE's as stated in the Dulce conspiracy in exchange for experiments here on Earth,abductions etc.....)

From the Nazi link,the infamous dictator Adolf Hitler is said to be over-obsess with his world domination plans that he actually chose to believe in lots of myths (Hollow Earth theory,advance technology of ancient civs.[India:The Ramayana],occult stuff etc..)

The Ramayana describes ancient aerial vehicles e.g. the Satapathya Brahmanas; the Rig Veda Samhita; the Harivamsa; the Makandeya Purana and many more.I'll just summarize from here.The vimana (craft) is a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome and it flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming noise?) as said in the Samarangana Sutradhara text.There was even an ancient manuscript that claims to give :
- The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.
- The secret of making planes motionless.
- The secret of making planes invisible.
- The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes.
- The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes.
- The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.
- The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.
- The secret of destroying enemy planes.

More info : Click Here

All this archived manuscripts were kept in a safe area but it is said the Nazis got hold of it and started developing this crafts soon after.And then they made blueprints of it,which alledgedly fell into the hands of the Allies after the WW2.

Or is that all?They've even said that Hitler never actually died during or soon after the invasion of the Allies but actually escaped to the interior of this planet with some 1000 over scientists via the 'hole' in the south (Antarctica).Could they've actually survived in the interior and are also responsible for certain sightings of UFO's during the modern days?? I wouldn't dare to rule this out entirely although it does sound like a fantasy story......because I'm a Hollow Earth believer myself.

Engulf there is also a theory that "aliens" copycat our technology to make themselves inconspicous, example: not sure on the specific date (i have the story somehwere in my book collection) in 1840s(?) "airships" were described floating around, with strange men in baskets underneath. sometimes they asked for water, and stayed still via a anchor, the most interesting thing is tho, that airships weren't invented when these craft were sighted. after airships were invented no one saw these strnage men in there airships again. 1924, scandinavian rockets, (again not sure on the dates) flew and ditched into various fjords around norway, were described as like modern missiles with "fire" coming out of the tails (one must remember that rocketry wasn't invented till the second world war (and quoting the man that invented the rocket in germany after berlin fell "we were given rocketry from people not of this planet" strange?), and now we see "Flying saucers" of all descriptions, perhaps we already do have this tech, but the "aliens" are mimicking our modes of transportation to makes themselves look unsuspicious.... once i find the proper details of the 1800s airships and the scandinavian rockets i'll post them.

Mmm,intriguing theory you have there too Blood Angel.
Well personally I think.......aiks I dunno how to put this but.....I just don't get it, why would they (aliens) want to drive away any unwanted attention by trying to copy our way of style??If say they're indeed trying to mimic us,why the wierd airship at a time when no airships were even there??Isn't that situation more or less the same like the current time when we have jumbo jets,then we see a crazy UFO up in the sky?Isn't that enough of a curiosity already?Or are they more to attempting to give us a hint about aircrafts?Oh I'm getting a little dizzy,am I getting everything here right in the first place? If I've misunderstood in any way,pls do correct me.

All intelligent life forms, as in animals that are like us, we use our brain to do the work. Okay, if there is no emotion. Would you study your ass off to be a scientist and get the same amount of things as a cleaning person, or enjoy your teenage life and just be a cleaning person and get as much stuff as the scientist. Also, if one person wants more and more stuff, than another will, eventrully the ALIENS have to make everything for everyone. You guys are saying that everyone get free stuff? Now please tell me. If studying your ass off as a kid and getting the same amount of stuff as others, I would REALLY do sh** and juts get a easy job and get everything for free. So the system will be TOTALY corrupted. Please tell me how will a government not kurupt if they pay people the same amount of things because there is no "CURRENCY". So isnt people will stop working. If everyone stops working how would the aliens be so ADVANCED.

Now guys, please explain how would this system balance? If everyone got everything they wanted regardless what they do. IF there is no currency and do the stuff we have to do now.

Now with the emotions, if you don't have emotions, you dont feel pain, if you dont "feel" pain than you dont do anything that will heal it. SO you will just break it even more until you cant move. Now when you get mad at someone, its a EMOTION. HOw do you think our ancesters started to fight and throw rocks? Because they had no emotions and toke a rock and threw it? Now why did our ancestor started to walk around with 2 feet, because they found it more efficiant-a little laziness I can see.

Lets Look at some inconsisitenys here:

Erk sorry to reply to you engulf, once i have been to the shop to get some chocolate >_> i'll post a new thread while we are discussing with blazeboy, i'll title it the evoloution of UFOs.

Not a prob Blood Angel

(At times I think this topic of discussion should be changed to "Do Aliens Have Emotions?" That I wouldn't be attracted here in the first place. )

Just to add,I've read the Dulce Book and there was a lady abductee in the base whose actually set free by an alien entity working inside after observing her sufferings and thought of releasing her by secret.Not sure whether it was an EBE but well.....do this particular race had some feelings?? ......I dunno

Blazeboy, when you have to call for a plumber or an electrician one day....you will understand when you get the bill. Expect to pay around $30 bucks an hour. If an alien wants to give "Joe the Carpenter" all of their secrets because he is the most efficient, honest, and all-around best person they can find...Then so be it. I guess it would be their choice. Money don't make the man/woman.

That's all I wanted to say.....again. Oh yeah, If you keep up the good work Blood Angel, I might just send you that Insulting PM you've been wanting

In the end engulf emotion is what rules us, perhaps this particular race did have feelings, but being dulce whos to say the alien himself is not a slave or a prisoner? We have all heard the storys from dulce indicating that the grays are slaves for the reptilians, and some say its the other way around. But looking at the way the reptiles are portrayed in dulce and other media, it would suggest that they are a aggressive race, and perhaps they have emotions, as aggression cannot be felt without the presence of other emotion, like hatred jealously and greed. The grays however are portrayed as unfeeling beings, emotionless, but they may have a understanding of what emotion is, they have had long enough to figure it out. Then the other race thats commonly desribed is the nordics, they are peaceful apparently and are able to feel, but tend to lean on the more spiritual side.

LOL gonzo would love a rib cracking PM anytime >_> no one seems to entertain me much these days.

Btw engulf have you seen the elusive dulce video? and heard of the other UGBS in america and internationally?

US Comet Navy, some good stuff there it also raises the possibility of wormholes for travel as einstein theorised.

MInd explaining that for our none scientific members uh like me perhaps >_>

Blood Angel,

I've heard that at the time when our scientists discovered those countless radio waves from outer space and made contact with some of those aliens,I came to know that one of them offered to help us (Earthlings) in every sort of aspect they could give,in exchange for nothing. Basically they're the good souls we've been searching for,but it's said that the involved gov. didn't want to propose this deal with them because they'd want something to benefit them,and them only. So they didn't work out well but it is said that this kind souls are here too in this Dulce base,just to work with our scientists and to learn more from us.So maybe......that particular alien would be from this kind race... (Should this good aliens be reading this post,I say HELLO and salute you!! )

And yes,the EBE's are said to be under the Sauroids.....but not forced labor.They sort of like accepted them as thier leader and offer thier services to them but still not entirely.They (Sauroids) are planning to do this very same thing to us,invade us but no hard-stuff happenings,just plan to win our hearts or create a conflict between us so that we could kill each other and they coming down and take over us with little resistance.

Ah them engulf, you are new to dulce. add me to msn messenger if you have it, i'll send you all the files i have on dulce, along with the video...