I can't move my psiwheel without my hands near it, and I don't know why.

But I do. Click.

Blah blah blah, not gonna read it.

My psiwheel doesn't just spin as soon as my hands are around it, but I've found that it spins easier (less concentration) but not completeley effortlessly, when my hands are closer.

I swear. I almost became pyrokinetic due to laughing so hard after reading that.
My head almost exploded into flames.
Mate, that is HILARIOUS.

Yes. As that site explains, had you read it, it's the heat from your hands. You just confirmed this with your statement that your hands work better if they're closer.

thats a beautiful site angrycrustation, ive seen it countless times, and it never ceases to b ignored.....

its like i explained in a chi thred, (now to my believer side) the further energy travels the faster its influence tapers off, lets say you are 2 units away from a light, and its power at that point is 50%, and you move to 4 units away from the light, now its power is at 15%, its power decreases exponentially...(i dont think its a perfect exponential curve, but u get the idea)

Yes, but what about my friend who can spin it with his hands in his lap, under the table? And what about those who move quarters and such, things far to heavy to be moved with mere hand warmth?

that would usually fall under didgitally altered videos

All it takes is a very tiny bit of warmth to create a temperature change in the air, causing thermals.



Then they may be doing PK for all I know. With no evidence of them doing this, how am I to judge? My point is, psiwheels have been debunked as a reliable way to indicate psychic abilities.

I highly doubt hands two-ish feet from a psiwheel will influence if due to heat.

I don't. Hands are around 96 degrees Fahrenheit. Just because you can't feel body heat from two feet away doesn't mean that the air is unaffected.

So what next? Your friend can spin it from 10 miles away, suspended upside down in a tank of water, encased in a solid steel trunk chained shut and padlocked?

But I do doubt that the air below the table is affected, the table itself, the air above the table, then the air around the psiwheel.



Probably! For a noobie he's really good. He was spinnging the psiwheel with no hands on day one.

That just sounds wrong......

kazuma you should know by now that no matter what you tell them they will find some way to counter it and say that it is fake... but for your thread about moving a coin here you go... http://youtube.com/watch?v=c-Kv11Z7vH0&...rch=telekinesis now watch that and post how its not real

^Funny the way that coin moved the exact same way as a magnet does.

that is funny isnt it... well like i said, it never stops them from posting why something is fake. there is always some way or another that it just cant possibly work...

^You just asked someone to show how it's not real.



It isn't my fault that people keep pretending to have these abilities and make fake videos, maybe when they stop doing that, other people will stop proving them wrong.

ok i realize that i asked for a reason for it not to be real but i was just trying to prove a point that no matter how much we post and try and prove that it is real, there will be someone that has another view on how it is just not possible. and thank you for proving my point

in this he states that if it doesnt move when you want it to then it is an invalid claim... now what if it does move when you want it to? and sorry if he explaines that later on but i didnt have enough time to read all of it

He does explain it all later on.

the thing is, there are way to many fake videos out there, that the real ones (wherever they might be) get all their credibility taken away. if people would stop pretending, than those that CAN do it wouldent be attacked as much...

Well if people are so desperate to prove it, why do they not demonstrate it to professionals who would be able to confirm whether it is true for sure? Whenever this is asked I get given the response that "they don't have anything to prove", so then why make the videos or the claims in the first place?

Maybe my thread "Who wants to be a millionaire" got lost on this page. Maybe you just overlooked it. Anyways, I have a standing offer of $1,000,000 to anyone who can provide evidence of any paranormal ability.

Check out the "Who wants to be a millionaire" thread if you need the money.

So far no one has taken my offer.

Funny how american coins are unmagnetizable, huh?

That's true. I am sitting here with American coins in front of me, and a magnet. They are not magnetic.

In this video, he shows us the coin, but the image is so poor that we can't even tell what denomination or currency it is. Despite what the info on the page says, it would appear to be a nickel, not a quarter. So we'll work on the hypothesis that it is an American nickel, since we can very faintly see designs on it reminiscent of one.

Here is where I quote from Wikipedia:





And here is from the article on manganese:



And then back to the nickel article:

Alright, how about this. Let's just say it's a fake coin. A fake coin that is VERY easily magnetized.

If there's a magnet under the table, how the hell does he use the magnet to make the coin go up? The coin would be pulled DOWN, toward the magnet.

Any coin containing Iron, Nickel or Cobalt among other elements, is capable of becoming magnetized. And how is it that you know which currency the coin in the video is, and how do you know if it's even a real coin?

You've never seen two magnets repel?

It is an american quarter, look at it. He holds it up to the camera, then flips it over and holds that side up. When he does that, look at it closely. You can see that it is the upsidedown heads-side of a quarter.

Maybe only I can see that though, I downloaded the video from Psipog and shunk it, thus increasing the resolution.

And yes, I've seen two magnets repel. Are you hinting that you actually believe that this guy charged the quarter with a current just to fake a TK video?

^It could be magnetically charged simply by stroking it with a magnet repeatedly.

It's a nickel. The heads on the quarters and nickels look very similar, but you can see that the design on the reverse of the coin involves a dominant straight line, i.e the front of Monticello, which is on the nickel. There is no dominant straight line in the eagle design of a quarter. Additionally, the size and thickness better match a nickel than a quarter. Christ, you're American. You should know these things.



It's a nickel. If you're in doubt, find a quarter and a nickel and hold them up to the screen to compare. Pause the video at various points while he is showing the coin so you can see it clearer. Note that the top of the head in the obverse is pointing upside down and slightly to the right, in this video.

In my younger days I was an avid numismatist (google it). I would sit for hours comparing minute differences in coins. I don't mean to toot my own horn here, but I think you'd be better off trusting me in the fact that it's a nickel. If you still decide to be stubborn about it, I'll prepare a graphic to show you.



Why wouldn't he? So-called psychics will go to extreme lengths to prove points that are essentially moot. You are illustrating this quite well.

It's a quarter. Don't you recognize George?

I might, if it was a clearer picture.

Here.

Quarter:

Nickel:


Factor in wear on the coins, and the poor picture quality, and you can imagine how they could be confused. I'm not basing my judgment that it's a nickel based on the obverse. It's the reverse I'm interested in. I guess I'll have to make that graphic to demonstrate what I mean.

Here you go folks.



It's still open to interpretation. I won't deny that. But it definitely looks like a nickel to me.

Also consider the diameter and the thickness. Looks like a quarter to me.

It really doesn't matter anyway, it's just a video.

I'm an American, but so what? America's not so great.

And I still believe it's a quarter. Look at his thumb's size compared to the coin's. A nickel is smaller.

What does it matter? Both contain Nickel.

THIS IS SO FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE

HE IS USING/TWISTING FISHING LINE RUNNING THROUGH THE TOP OF THE PLASTIC JAR LID

Go back and watch it again, at the end when he lifts up the jar to flick through the bible you can see the psi wheel swinging back and forth in the jar from the 'invisible' fishing line.

If the wheel was just sitting in the jar by itself then it would just fall/roll in the jar, not swing back and forth like it does.

Also when he stopped 'moving' the wheel and took his hands away, the wheel kept spinning a bit cause the fishing line was still twisting back the other way.

No, there is a string attached to the inside of the lid so the wheel will be suspended. It is not going THROUGH the lid.

Think before you hit Caps lock and start typing insanely.



...and?

...and nickel can be magnetically charged...it's irrelevant if it's a quarter or a nickel.

Oh.... Yeah, I guess I got a little too excited there.... but if the string is only attached to the lid then how is he making it spin..... I thought someone else was twisting fishing line through the top of the lid..... sigh...

Sorry but I just saw this thread and I didn't read through the 10 pages to see what people said about it I just saw the first few where they said it was amazing...

I'll read before I type in future

...wow... you handled that very well. Thank you. But even if you had read through those other pages, no one else had mentioned it... I think... I dunno, I haven't read them all either.

But I have one of those big CD cases (you know, the big round ones that hold like 500 cds) and I have it upside down with a psiwheel hanging from a string. I have this so I can try out my telekinesis without turning my AC off.

What percent of a quarter is nickle? It's very little, isn't it?

8.5% compared to 25% in a nickel.

And just for the record, I think you're grasping at straws. It's next to impossible to judge what kind of coin it is, based on size. There's only about 1 mm difference between the rims if you put a nickel on top of a quarter. If you're not familiar with metric, that's about the size of the space between these: ll

The difference in thickness is even more minute.

I think that in light of this, as well as what I strongly suspect to be the designs of a nickel on the coin, you should accept that this is a nickel, therefore being vulnerable to a magnet, therefore discrediting this video. It's just one video. Admit defeat.

I don't care what you think it is, I think it's a quarter.

We can call this little debate a "draw" if you'd like, and we can both go on thinking our own seperate things, but I will not change my view because of your suspicions.

The only intelligent position to take concerning this video is that it is just a video and therefore inconclusive. If you know it's a fake you must be psychic as there is no other way to know that unless you made it.

Suspicions which I have made the effort to support. You haven't even countered my evidence, just made a weak attempt at filling in the hole which I left because I thought it was common sense that the sizes were very similar.

But you proved a point once again for me.

You see folks, this is the common psi believer. When confronted by evidence against anything they believe in, they promptly ignore it and hold on to their old beliefs, which most have the time have been rendered archaic by the new evidence.



You know, I actually agree. But if there's even the slightest bit of evidence against it's potential validity, then at some point it ceases to be inconclusive, and simply becomes false. The reason I am so vehemently arguing this video is because I would like to figure out whether it will remain inconclusive, or can be undoubtedly dubbed a fake. I admit that the latter has not yet happened, but I'm trying.

You have not presented evidence. You've presented speculation. And your speculation is worthless to me.

I'm sorry to hear that.

But, you know, that's exactly how I feel about psi in general. Bear it in mind.

It's really quite fantastic how you keep making my own points for me.

Then why don't you just quit trying to make others doubt themselves and try it yourself? Then you'll have your own evidence and I won't have to waste time arguing with you.