here is a video to prove telekinesis, the psi wheel is in a jar, the lid is ON. Hard to prove it fake. The jar is sitting on a bible so there aren't strings attached, and air obvisouly isn't getting in.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ZDqiEdDPYY&...rch=telekinesis

Wow. That's the fastest I've ever seen a psiwheel spin. How about you?

nice video but if he lifted the wheel on the bottle than i would 100 percent believe it is telekinesis.i have a suspicion the wheel could be controlled by a remote control.

I can do that. I actually performed it for a science experiment.
It's nothing new - and it's easy.

Has nothing to do with supernatural powers.

Interesting... It would have been better if the inside of the lid was showen and the psi wheel was showen to be free of any devices. But none the less, I find it interesting.

How?

Impressive video.

Heat up the air outside the jar.

It would be extremely difficult to control it's movement with that method. Unless there was a heater inside the jar lid, it would take too long for the heater to create a convection current powerful enough to start the psiwheel spinning, change it's direction and stop it again so precisely. It could be done, but it's doubtful.

Psi-wheels stop and change direction on their own.

Why don't you make your own Psi-Wheel, and play around for a while, you'll see

yea...and I saw Criss Angel cut a woman in half, walk through glass and levitate another human....looked real to me...but guess what...its not

Ammm static electricity can go thro glass.

Rub your feet against carpet and try it.

If it all it takes is a little wheel spinning to make you think psychic power are real. Then you will believe anything. Make a car float around and then we will be talking.

And there you have it, Megalomania and EviL_Phreak have proved how it can be debunked.
It was a nice try though.
Remember, we need proof beyond a doubt to be sure this phenomena is part of reality.

Heating the jar wouldn't work, seeing as condensation would build up on the inside of the jar, drip, and then ruin that perdy lil bible.

The psiwheels stop and turn and change direction so much because of moving air in the room. I hate that, because where I live, there's (literally) 90-100% humidity most of the time, so to practice on my psiwheel, I have to close my vent, turn my ceiling fan off, and turn my window unit air conditioner off. ...mmmMMMmmm... toasty!

How can you aim static electricity?

I guess the only way for people to truly believe it is to do it themselves, but even THEN, they could just blame its movement on air or static electricity.

Now if you lift a car up...

If you really think you can do it, put yourself up for scientific testing. Otherwise it is just talk.

Its not a bible its a dictionary and besides can't you see it swing when it is lifted and when he isn't doing his fake stuff. It's called a string at the top of the jar that has a little wheel.

Brains can only produced what is given and cannot produce mind powers like that. Get some knowledge first please don't just see the cover.

It is all common chemistry. This video is fake.


Well the thing is, that will never happen because it CAN'T be done.
You can NOT move things with your mind- it's just not possible. Get over it.

i just find it funny, you move a psi-wheel on video, and they ask for a container over it, you make a video of a container over it, and they ask for you to lift a car, as soon as somebody lifts a car, its digitally messed with... im not saying that this is proof, or that its real, but i just want to kno... what WILL it take, beyond a doubt, to prove it to you guies??

Get yourself scientifically tested and there will be no doubt one way or the other.

k, altered states of conciousness have been proven, as far as i kno astral projection CANT be proven, and i dont care about doin anything to alter the outside world, if i want to change the temperature, ill get up and do it, if i want to change the channel, ill grab the remote, if i want to short a circut, ill stab it...

Of course, no supposed psychic ever wants to be scientifically evaluated. Wonder why?

well, because most of them cant do crap, and those that can dont waste their time...besides, im not claiming to have anything that can be tested

They don't want to waste their time because they don't want to look like fools when it is shown they are false. If you cant quantify your supposed power then for all intensive purposes it does not exist.

thats not necessarily true, i just cant think of a way to prove that my consciousness splits as one copy exits my body, and i cant prove that (most of the time) i dont have all sorts of thoughts streaming through my head--which isnt a "power" in any respect anyways

Not quite. In a closed environment the convection current would not be able to change it's direction like that. As for static electricity, how? From where?

now its out turn to ask for a video, if u say its so easy, prove it

I don't trust this at all. why the need for the book in the first place ? he's also very deliberate and methodical in his actions (like a conjurer). Notice he only flips through half the pages when trying to show there's nothing to the book.

You could also do it with a magnet. Someone under the table could be using a magnet to turn the thing around. This doesn't prove anything.

Even if anyone ever could do it (noone can), why the hell do you guys think that they would prove it to some random internet people, and not someone that matters?


Uhh, no. Water vapour from air condenses on cold surfaces. And if the condensation would build up inside the jar, how does it ruin the bible?

It just seems to fishy! I mean there could be some one above with a string connected to that triangle wheel twisting back and forth to make it spin!
there is just not enough evidence to make me believe because alot of people could pull that off.

where do you think a string could be, if it is fake, i think that they would be a lot more creative than that, the top of the jar is solid

funny how it is swinging when it is moved and placed when he is not focusing his fake power on it. Also what would make me believe hmmm maybe first get a medical examination so it proves first your not nuts. Now if your not then teach everyone else or heck pick your self off the ground in public right on the white house yard or even more pick the president up and move him to you.

Till you can actually show a public audicence don't act like you actually have the power. Its a fake realm and even that it has been proven that there are different states of the mind none of them show a realm where you can control things w/ just electrical freq. from your brain for that is all that is produced. People that mostly have iqs 110 or lower believe in things like that since they can't see anything else.

Lastly like i said before pick up the president in his office and make him do a dance or some random stuff. Heck if you don't want to do that ask for a person in the middle of new york and place them on a building. But lets say you can't. Well make a piece of metal from the sheer mind.

5% of the mind is used for the adverage person and at tops there was 13% and your going to tell me that the adverage 20 some joe is able to bend spoons, spin wheels and do more, when the highest recorded mind use of all time was 13% and he couldn't

Oh please get over it. It's fake. No one believes its so stop wanting the attention. Patheic

Welcome. I like your style.

hummm, this was a very interesting video. IF there was a resonable explination of it, what is it? Heat cannot move the psi-wheel that fast nor change it's movements like that. Static electricity just can't do it. have a motor do it? a motor cannot change the movement like that and have that much control over it. Magnets? there could not have been a magnet under the table because then the magnet would have a very strong polarity to go through the table and the dictionary. He also takes a pin or whatever it is off a magnet and waves the magnet around the jar. When he flips throught the pages he only goes through a small amount. I highly doubt that in that 2 inch area that is left he can hide something under there and not have it visible from the top. But, I'm sure any skeptic would say that he made really small, invisible device that can manipulate objects through parchment and cardboard covers. No one can be possily control it with a string. The jar is completely closed and you see nothing on the cover of the jar nor the sides. Also note that the movement of the psi wheel follows his hands' direction at a reasonable pace. If controled by another person or a machine they can't time exactly when to move and sycronize with eachother in such syncopation. If that were to happen the other person whould have to either rehersed with the other for very long periods of time or they read eachothers mind (which is a whole different story ). I doubt any advanced mechanisms were involved even with the technology these days. if a device so impressive and strong was used I'm sure that they would: have a better camera to shoot the movie with, and/or sell the object to the gov't.

Why are skeptics have such a grudge against these things? Is there a reason why a person can't believe or do such things? If psychic abilties are proven to the world I bet there will still be skeptics out there to disprove it. It'll be like the group of people pretending that the Hollocaust didn't even exist and that a billion Jews just dissapeared from the face of the earth. Point is, some things occur but there are people out there who still try do disprove it. So, no matter how hard we try it'll be disproven one way or another.

There could be a string or well fishing line! and the top could have a small pin hole not seen by the human eye in this quite blurry video to me that is!
But you make your own thoughts on it! it's always good to have different aspects on how we see things.

"Why are skeptics have such a grudge against these things? Is there a reason why a person can't believe or do such things? If psychic abilties are proven to the world I bet there will still be skeptics out there to disprove it. It'll be like the group of people pretending that the Hollocaust didn't even exist and that a billion Jews just dissapeared from the face of the earth. Point is, some things occur but there are people out there who still try do disprove it. So, no matter how hard we try it'll be disproven one way or another."

very nicly put

yeah, sorry moro, actually, i dont agree with you, we were posting at the same time-- either way, its good to see thinking skills instead of sarcasum skills!!

Well thank you kariudo115!
this is just how i see it.

Can someone a smart skeptic person plese explane to me how a fishin line (string) that is put thru a pin hol could then spin the weel?

You can move your hand every which way above the jar (with the string in your hand) and you can't have any control over the psi wheel at all. A fulcrum is formed at the edge of the pin hole.

think about it smart one... Imagine the motion the string would have to make inside the jar for the wheel to spin. You only have control up to the hole. Unless you cut a circle (as wide as the psiwheel)in the lid and the part of the lid inside the circle was levitating lol. Or let me guess, an invisible pully system to go with it?

otherwise all you could do is lift the wheel straight up.

Mabey there is a non telekinetic way to do it, but it is not string. A motor and remote control seems possible. It would need to be a weak motor though. As the acceleration was slow. The speed supports that aswell.

-Muddy

its not a grudge its just sad to see how humans can be so foolish. I don't now why most are like the government blocks the truth yet they think fellow humans don't lmao

Its actually quite possible so possible in fact that if i find my camera ill make a video hell right after this i will try and find my camera

You make a pinhole 1 mm wide in the lid, get some see through fishing line then have someone above the camera view follow the jar when it moves and spin the string. Then get a book and act like there is nothing under since that is the first thing people seem to think and get a poor quality camera and film. Then once you have the video on your computer easyly w/ some video tools you can make the small pin hole even if you could see it disapear. Once that is done compress it to a small file so the resolution is terrible so it is impossible to sepect anything. If you knew the first thing about computers then you would know its very possible to fake things that you see and that video evidence of this quality cannot be trusted. Videos for any matter must be examined closely to tell any tampering.

Don't think for one moment people wouldn't spend hours or even days trying to make a hoax. They just want attention they have never gotten and people that believe makes them do it even more because they relise people are dumb enough to actually think the mind can control matter.

This type of video gets posted on a blog or sent to an someone in an email as a joke or magic trick and then gets spread everywhere where geeks say they were there when it happened or that its there friend or them etc. so they get famous of someone other.

so q.e.d

duh its going to swing when he moves the container...im perfectly sane thank you... we try to teach everybody elce... picking up somebody is freaken hard, besides, i dont claim to be able to move things with my mind...i didnt say altered states of mind can make you move things, so stop putting words in my posts... my IQ is just fine at 155...as much as id love to publicly humiliate the president, i cant, besides, he does enough of it on his own...and id like to know the source where you got the 5%, 13% mind facts, they sound phoney

lmao k mister 155 iq odd you would be posting on a forum w/ an iq that high and not a physics or an author.

If you did have an iq of 155 you would know that 5% is adverage MIND not brain MIND use for the human and that 13% was the record high. Also you can read some things on albert einstien. or even in The Secret they say it once or twice. I'll get you the source 155 once i wake up late as hell here

w/e man, im smart, but im lazy as hell... besides, 155 is not so unbelievably high that i would be an author or w/e, its categorized under gifted/expetionally bright ive known kids with IQs off the charts (thats what u get at private school....) and even they werent that unbelievable smart that they were authors. and u didnt awnser my question, where did you get these statistics?

Let us break this down and review.



Why should I believe a video, which holds no truth, made by someone who I don't know, and lives thousands of miles from me? Can you give me an answer for that Yommi?



Yes, because it doesn't exist. The best way I can describe it is, your guilty untill proven innocent. Untill it can be proven trough scientific studies, it's going to be shot down and shunned.



Yup.



That's just silly, how can millions of people, comming from a particular religion just dissapear.



The point is, when these things occur, there are "holes" in the proof that is supplied, giving reasonable doubt. As long as there is reasonable doubt, there will be people out there exploiting the holes in the proof.

There is an estimated 11 degree (F) difference temperature before the psi-wheel will move.
I measured this, and at the average temperature ranges i na room, condensation is not an issue


Air disturbance is not a factor.
When blown on, even with a tiny breath - you flatten a point of the psiwheel against the pin.
This was not shown in the video, so air-disturbances could not do this.

whats unbelievable, is that there ARE people that belive the halocaust was all made up....

but hes right, there are holes in every piece of evidence that has been provided, wether intentional due to fakes or due to unintentional situational issues. if i didnt have expierence dealing with this sort of stuff, a video wouldnt prove anything to me, the only thing is that i wish some of the skeptics werent so rude about it

Right.
Just try it. Please, do research. Otherwise you will make yourself look silly


How about you just make a psi-wheel yourself?
But hey, I'll make one if I absolutely have to.

k checked this before i went to bed and actually i did prove it. Watch The Secret, Read anything by albert einstien on the mind, or just watch the science channel like i said. No one can use 100% of your mind since you would techanally be able to just shut down your heart, grow arms at will, etc. You are only a small part of your body. Your body should actually be called you since its over 90% rather than 5-10%. Your mind and your body are sperate and that is why you can only control 5% of your brain. You can hold you breath for minutes if you don't care about your body but once you pass out your body will return to breathing since "you" are no longer in control. Your brain just sends commands so you can think it can move all you want but it still won't because your arms are saying" wtf? its impossible".

And also 155 is 5 points from legally genious thats why. 130-145 is high for the general public.
Cosidering most of the public is 110-90 which is quite sad.

id prefer if you do, because if you make a video of you spinning the psi-wheel, and inform everybody that it is an example of normal scientifically accepted methods, then it will give a solid comparison against others who claim to be able to move it with their minds, you see where i am going with this?

err i meant since they are both the same just the ones that lie and the ones that don't

Just amazing that people still think video can only show what was there and what was not. When it is extremely easy to fake it w/ some time, lightwave8.0, and some video editing software