Excellent post Big cheese! I remember you posting in the belief thread I created sometime back.

Yes, nothing can be proved or disproved because the basis of every religion is so very vague. Each believer believes that his reasoning and molding of religious beliefs of god are the most pious and noble ones.

Man has developed several mechanisms to succeed and basically survive. Religion is also such a mechanism that most people depend on. You were right when you said that it's a coping mechanism. Belief is important because it gives you something to lean on and also motivates you psychologically to give your best. While beliefs themselves might be full or crap, they still work for you in certain ways but certainly not in ways that most religious believers think.

Most religious believers tune themselves and bank on their faiths to such an extent that questioning their beliefs will only weaken them. They do not dare to question because they are afraid to find answers that will shatter the foundations of their survial mechanism. It would leave them absolutely listless, so they would prefer to be in their comfort zones than see more reason and go against the school of thinking that they have grown up with and got accustomed to.

My issue isn't that serious anymore, I don't care whether or not she's happy or sad nowadays, she keep her freakin annoying self away from me.

I fully understand where you are coming from...I have never seen my dad lift his hand to my mom ..thank goodness...but one day when my dad was out of town, my uncle came over (my moms brother) and they got into a row (I was 4 yrs old at the time) and I stood and watched him hit my mom..I remember freezing up..I was scared ...when my dad came home, and heard about it..he went and sorted my rotten uncle out...but still to this day...if I met that rotten bstd in the street, after all of those years, I would beat the crap out of him....no kid wants to watch anyone hurt their mom...it's disturbing

Ah, revenge. An understandable earthly desire. Here's the part where you have to
think: "HMMMMM, is this revenge or justice?" I understand that you want revenge for your mother, but beating the crap out of someone who now most likely a VERY VERY old man is really not going to solve anything

ahh but revenge is sweet exe11er, and i think if someone beat up my mom, i would love to get back at them, hurt them 3 times as bad as they hurt her, also, it would be against my religion to do nothing, the 5th satanic statement-Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek. so i would have to do something about it, or i would be going against what i believe

beleive it or not, parent arent perfect, not even yours. they ARE capable of making bad decisions. if your dad told you to jump off a cliff to your death, and was serious. would you?
and i dont think hitting your kids is right.

whats better? learning out of fear, or learning out of experience?

the old addage "fear is the worst motivator" (or however it goes, lol)

What is the 1st satanic "statement"?



LOL yes. I mean decisions like taking away your tv or computer, or hitting you when you swear at them, or when you do drugs or something like that. Though I doubt any parent would tell their child to jump off a cliff.

You need a combo of both fear and experience, but when you have fear, you learn real well, trust me, I know

the first satanic statement? Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!



9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/NineStatements.html

good job!!

Thank you i believe statement 9 is so true. Satan is the churches best friend. The church would have no one to place blame on and no way of creating fear into people to join over to their religion if they did not have satan around.

i think al the statements are true, of course thats my religion so i would hope i think there true.....

i'm atheist and i think i would live by all those statements lol.

wow, i just finished reading this whole thread and all i can say is that the people here need to understand that everyone is intitled to their own opinion please respect their right of free speech its a privilage

I am god.

Na i believe in the m theory. Hell i barely believe this all even exists since nothing proves anything w/o using common tools. Like you can prove there is no god and maybe even why but you can only do it using mechanics known to this universe making it contridict its self.

But then again i do have a globe in my garage where i can slap oceans and cause tsunamis.

I just wish Gods law was similar.....

OMG...whats it like under that big rock you live under?? Didnt you know that its a figure of speach to dsay --- If I told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?? <--ever hear of that before?? its called a figure of speach LOL

Oh damn, it smells like sh*t down here



Yes I knew but like I was saying, if you raise your kids right, they will jump off a bridge when you tell 'em to

How is it "good parenting" to have your kids live in total fear of you? Respect goes both ways you know... Your kids need to respect you but you need to respect them too

Never thought of it that way...hey it makes sense LOL but it does...cuz without satan..there would be no call for a church would there??

Exactly... A positive cannot exist without a negative

Yet they do a lot of complining about the negative, but without it, they wouldnt exist

Who is the one to say which one is the "negative" and which one is the "positive"?

Perhaps the Bible has it backward.....

I never said which one was positive and which was negative... i just said that one can't exist without the other

AHA good ole Zannie..with another great responce...so I say...you are right LOL...thats why I dont follow the bible lol I just follow my heart

I know that....I was carrying it a step further

With all of the evil (negative) that is in the Bible who is to say it is good (positive)?

Besides.....that comment was to anyone in general.

Kewl! And I agree totally!

A friend told me I was wrong once ... once ...

I think the Bible can't have it all backwards...there's too much common sense and wisdom beyond that time...things like Proverbs and the ten commandments and many other "rules" go a long way towards a cleaner, less diseased world. I'm not one hundred percent sure of the complete accuracy, but I don't think it should be completely disregarded.

I don't think that the bible can have it all backwards...there's too much common sense and wisdom beyond that time...things like Proverbs and the ten commandments and many other "rules" go a long way towards a cleaner, less diseased world. I'm not one hundred percent sure of the complete accuracy, but I don't think it should be completely disregarded.

First, the Ten Commandments existed in ancient cultures long before the Hebrews wrote them down and gave them their own spin. Second, read those commandments in their entirity, and you will see that the death penalty is called for if any of them are broken. Third, which set of the the Ten Commandments are you referring to? There are two different sets--Exodus 20 (recap listed in Deuteronomy 5) and Exodus 34?

Kindly,

Sean

Well if it isnt Ashley star child

Eh?

Well let me tell you a little story. When I lived in my country, teachers were allowed to hit the kids. One time, I got a math question wrong, and the teacher slapped me in the face (this was no soft slap, hard as hell). So anyway, the point is, from then on, I did my work and became an A+ student. Why? Because I was afraid of my teacher. Ah, good times those were Now I come here to canada, and see kids not doing their work, and even cursing at the teacher. I could tell you things would be ALOT different if this was my country.

Weeelll... in some ways it's good... but if i keep hitting a kid... they're gonna feel unloved... and beleive me, feeling unloved is not nice

Well not really. My parents used to hit me alot. That didn't mean they didn't love me. They're very loving parents, and they've always loved me.

Ineteresting point. That is what I hate about Christians, they are so positive that their religion is correct, but they have no proof.

Becky: What was that Ashley comment? Sorry if I should know, but I've been frequenting too many forums lately...

Read the 10 commandments.....how many of them tell you how to morally treat your follow human being?

How many tell you how and what you should do for your God?

Check either set of commandments.......


Proverbs....There are many different Proverbs from around the world and some have more....wisdom and common sense (as you put it) than the ones from the Christians Bible.


BTW: Welcome to UM Forum.

actually, if you read the ten commandments, all they are is ten basic instincts that all aniamls have, and the christian church doesnt think that humans are animals, they think we are better, so they try to ban mankinds carnal nature.


EDIT:oops, not the ten commandments lol sry i ment the 7 sins

i agree with zandore, the Buddhist proverbs and much better and more enlightening than the Christian ones.

Hey LKitty...Sorry for the delay...it was my Birthday yesterday..and I had no intentions in posting on these boards...cuz only a sad act would sit and post all day on their Birthday so I was out most of the entire day celebrating LOL..so I have now just replied to your pm..thanks

Christianity does not have a monopoly in the proverbs section

From us savages: Native American Proverbs & Wisdom

Except that the Christian proverbs are inspired by God and written by the wisest man to ever live. Buddha is nobody.

I'm sorry? Buddha is noone you say? that's flagrant disrespect for others beleifs. i've said this before and i'll say it again...

WE... CANT... PROVE... GOD... EXISTS...


Respect everyone else's beleifs or don't post here... Jesus was just a man. The Bible, to me is pure fiction, but if that's really what you choose to beleive in... fine, as long as you don't get all preachy on me

You tell me to respect other people's beliefs, but you tell me that the One I worship as God was just a man? That's not disrespectful? Just about every single thread in this section is about how fake Christianity is. Where's the war on Buddha who actually said he wasn't god, but is still worshipped? Where's the war on Mohammad who said that it's a good thing and the only way to be martyred is to kill a Christian or a Jew? Why does Jesus get the boot around here? As long as you say that Jesus is nobody, I can say Buddha is nobody. And I will.

I'll also point out that it's not the first time that you've bashed others beleifs...

The reason i say Jesus was just a man is because there is overwhelming evidence that he existed... but wasn't the son of God. I think you'll find the reason Jesus gets the boot these days is because of the controversy shrouding the christian religion. To me, it just contradicts itself far too many times to be factual. "Eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions the universal and infinite love of God"? that does't make sense...

Unless you can show me undebateable proof that God exists, i'll continue not beleiving. To me it is utterly pointless to point at birds singing in the trees to prove he exists because it doesnt. And as for telling me i'll go to Hell... fine.. i don't beleive in Hell at all

interesting...I question God all the time. Am I going to hell? No. To doubt is normal. And God doesn't send anyone to hell. If someone goes to hell, it's because he or she has intentionally ignored everyone around him and actually pushed away the saving hand of God. It's your choice. The bible says that "God is not willing that any should perish." You choose--separation from Him, which you seem to have choosen or eternal life with Him. He says that if you ask Him to reveal Himself to you and you mean it, He will.

So is this like tit for tat with you? So because there is thread after thread, with people claiming God does not exist ect...you think it's ok to say Buddha is nobody?? Well thank God I am not as childish as that...see I can say God and Jesus where SOMEBODY and still are...and add that Buddah is a somebody...why? it's called RESPECT...Buddha was a real person...only the ignorant will say he was a nobody

it's not that I ignore it. It's because I look at the news and see starving children dying in africa, war in iraq (in the name of God i might add), death, hatred, inequality and exclusion, and I have come to the basic conclusion that God doesn't exist, or at least not the 'loving God' that christians make him out to be