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What makes Theists so sure that God DOES exist?

So you would have to be God to not believe God is real, how ironic

For me, the prophets are enough proof. The rest is faith.

Yes, i hear you on that.

It is about time the almighty sent another brother Moses to earth, to free the peoples from the evils.

maybe Christians are the evils, seeing all the damage and corruption they have caused. Nice pic by the way Kaknelson

You do understand that its not his pic LOL??

Oh and science has done us so much good. Please let me remind you of hiroshima, and ww3 will be a thermonuclear war, soooooooo.......yeah, good things science has done.

if theres gunna be a thermonuclear war im livin underground in a vacuum sealed room.
Hopefully though you are wrong and WW3 wont come until after we all die

when you weigh the amount of good things and bad things religion and science have done, science has done exponentially more good than religion.

so science made the A-bomb which killed around 140,000 people
and religion had the inquisition, the holocaust, the crusades, modern terrorism and more...which all together gives me a debatable estimate of possibly multiple hundreds of millions

im sure science has killed more than 140,000, but overall, religion WAS a killer, and some still are

It's possible our scientific ways can be used for the GOOD of mankind.

In my eyes chrisitanity, as with every ideology has had it's rough edges, and the whole church in general has become slightly twisted over the years. Im not even fond of the "Pope" idea, why should this man be worshipped in any sence? Jesus is to be worshipped, for his death and words, dieing for me and you, and the rightousness of all mankind. The prophets of mankind will keep comming and going, it's up to me and you to realize this, why they are here and what they are doing. IMO the war of amegeddon has already begun. One can easily disagree with me, which is fine.

The false prophecy of serving a country instead of the almighty, and using WAR to create PEACE, is an inevitbaly evil and impossible ideology. With the tools, technology, media, we have the power to turn things around, it's for us to stand up when we fall to the ground.

Evil depends on your perspective, those who dont belive in the almight would much rather serve their country than be forced to serve a god they dont think exists. And i bet all the soldiers in the army dont think war is to evil. I personally think it depends on what the war is about. LIke the war between the US and Iraq right now im split. I belive we should get revenge for what they diid on 9/11, but i think we went to far.

everything is perspective, and everything is circumstantial

Science is both capable of both good and evil. Now, you talk as if the a-bomb is the only bad thing science has ever done. Are you sure you're not the one who needs to do some research?

In this day and age religion needs science, but they look to the more convenient science. Such as well my sister's heart is failing do I pray and hope or do I take here to a doctor. How do I spread the word of Christ well through science and technology here you have it religion to the masses without leaving your home via T.V. radio,music,internet and paper, with out science religion would not have spread as it did.

The invention of the musket allowed the spread of religion, hell gunpowder used by the church since the day of it's arrival. Religion can use science to satisfy all it's wants and needs, but god forbid the day science claims different to the church. The church is a parasite and I'm sorry if that offends some but it is. The church will use what ever it needs to survive and once that method is depleted it moves on to another host, such soldiers,to guns then to radio to t.v. to internet.

To say science is trying to disprove/prove god that it/he/she does not or does exist is false thinking, science looks for the most probable explanation outside the supernatural or unexplainable to come up with the most plausible solution. The almighty question, did god create man or did man create god? Hell we may never know, but I will put my faith in a cure for cancer due to science over me praying at the side of my bed.

Science needs a break from religion, to many set backs and with held knowledge that could have save countless lives due to the church and it's hunger for control.

Can I ask what the differnce is between a prophet and a false prophet is? When you live your life and your children live ther lives and so on, and the so called prophet never shows, well there's bound to be disbelief because they all turn out to be false? I'm lost

you seem to be forgetting that WWII (the event in which the A bomb was dropped) was almost totally based upon conlicting religious beliefs.

Oh now I do know that but yet again we have science helping a religious belief do we not. So through the bomb what was shown? Christianity is stonger , or is it all science and what it does is to propagate religion?

you convieniently forget that i said "im sure science has killed more than 140,000" in that post. tsk tsk, a christian resorting to ad hominem (attacking the person instead of the argument)


(p.s.- i kinda like debating with you, your fun, lol)

Sorry just had to add in one point, I know there is an ansewer I just don't know it. When has religion ever help forward science, or it's methods?

It shows that a new world supremecy of evil has begun.

At anytime, humanity can now merely hit a switch and drop bombs, killing off races of people, countries, or whomever they wish... I hope that doesn't get in the wrong hands. Don't you?

Science is capable of wiping the human race of the planet for the most part and so is god, Noahs flood. Science and religion can be used for good or evil, it just depends on what side your on. The thing about science is it's generally understood as fact until proven wrong and can be shared among people without to much argument. Religion and beliefs however can not, for their is really nothing more then faith to back them up.

Or should it be, the wrong religious hands that want to us that weapon to propagate there religion?

If religion was not a factor and we all had the same belief, and I'm convinced that religion in it's self is flawed and pits man against man, hence forth we have nukes.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW, thats is the most inaccurate statement of the night. EVERYTHING in science is THEORY. theory of evolution, theory of relativity. NO, and i mean NO respectable scientist treats anything as infallable fact, unlike some religions...

Isn't that a little wacko ?

So because gravity is a theory you don't believe in it? I am saying science has come up with the most probable answers. I never said science was infallible now did I, please don't do that agian, if you need to go back and read what I said do so. Science is our saviour if you don't think so go kneel beside your bed.

If there is an after life and I am punished because I did not serve him to his requirements even though he made me flawed, I will galdly serve for ever does accept me. Although I believe in an afterlife I do not believe in yours, does that make me wrong? no and if so prove it.

Just to add everything in the bible is so secondhand/thirdhand now isn't it.

Through science I can explain to you why the sky is blue, through religion you can tell me god made it that way. Hmmmm

wacko like how?
you mean its wacko becuase we dont jump to a conclusion, but rather openly admit that what we say MIGHT be flawwed, or incorrect, but support it with a suffecient amount of evidence?

That's what I thought to

Jump off a building and tell me gravity is just a theory. this is not a flame but to prove a point.

lol, silver, i think were on the same side, but i didnt phrase myself correctly.

i accept the theories as correct, but i dont believe they can never be add to, or broken apart.

and i NEVER used the law of gravity as evidence now did i? your point is unfounded when directed at me

We are talking science here right? If you have a broken leg and science can fix it you will use science and thank god for that science. If you have a war oh lets say some where in a far away land that does not like you "religion" you turn to science to win that war "thank god" Religion is a faith nothing you can prove or disprove however science is a sudy and a prctice that can be repeated by other scientists. Try having a study group on stigmata and see what the results would be

silver, i completely agree, and am not sure why that was directed at me..

well expet the "thank god" part, lol

sorry posted befor i saw your last one. I was wondering that myself are we argueing over the same thing in agreement but just from a different point of view? alls good though and hey you brought up the theory thing so I picked one.

lol, no prob....well i guess exe11er went to bed, so well have to wait till morning to pick this back up
(ill still be in other thread)

it really just went back to the age old argument on that site........neither side can prove they are right...if an atheist has to be like a god and know everything about the universe to prove that a god doesn't exist wouldn't someone who believes have to do the same.Same ol product new label...it says a bit more than this but in the end it just says bla bla bla bla bla

God or Gods is one of those things that are out of the realm of provability. A christian cannot prove god exist any more than an atheist can prove he doesn't. It is something every person must decide for themselves.

What do you think came first... human's survival instincts or religion? I think religion is merely a product of what we already were. It doesn't take religion to kill someone. Any 'tool' can be dangerous in the right/wrong hands.

Id like to correct you here man is capable of good and evil science is neither

With regards to topic title do atheist know everything the answer is obviously no

via science and scientific methodology we can say with a fair degree of certainty and accurately that the biblical account of origins cannot be taken literally and show more probable alternatives to systems and process depicted in the bible .we can offer pretty conclusive evidence to validate claims and show them to be more than likely correct by application available to all parties both for and against its only biased or interpretation that leads to errors or misconceptions

It amazes me how people just pick a small aspect of science and deem the whole bad again its application that determines its "good" and that is in the hands of man

Penicillin is bad? X-rays bad? Computers bad??

Science is about trial and error and learning to better understand through experiment
Science learns from mistakes

I can see this already tumbling to a prove god thread a silly circular argument that is irrelevant to the real truths at hand

Pick it up we shall



LOL then the athiest would be God. Therefor proving himself wrong



Yup.



And yet there are people who think religion actually is evil

Trouble is DW...a lot of people ignore this FACT!!

^Ignore what you don't percieve first?^
^Or remember to forget?^

Knowing that God is real is a no-brainer, seriously.

Believing he is real is no brainer not knowing there is a huge difference

No BM, it's quite obvious, people just WANT things to be difficult and replace it with simple explanations without really basing anything for their thesis, but there IS a God, that to me, is evident, and in this case, I might not actually be an agnostic, but I do know, that he's out there.

You just described Christianity!
Do these (just to name two) sound familiar?
It was Gods will!
God did it!

Time to put the hip waders on!

dolt yesterday you said this:

No, I was talking about how much atheists find the need to say something doesn't exist because they can't see it, incredible how it must be that atheists have even excepted the wind exists, read my quote for more info (though you'll probably skip that one too. )



Funny how it was just yesterday I explained myself and you are just so bored with the time you have so much in fact that you have to ridicule everything about Christianity! Or for that matter, how you must point out the obvious, just to start pointless debates!

Are you so bored you lack creativity?



Dolt? I'm sorry, you must have meant Bolt, that's twice I've been called something that isn't my username.

You might not be what now?? ---> By the way, you can call me an AGNOSTIC, thank you <--your sad lil words ............................ you where saying Bolt??? it wasnt the 1st time you made this claim...you have done it before...and just because I pointed out a fact..that.......to believe in God is just a belief...not fact...Bolt you are one confused lil puppy...without a clue as to what you follow anymore...tut tut tut

Yes and you don't know where to stand with your muddled up logic of how the bible is wrong and how your god can be anyone's imaginary little friend and how Jesus went off to India to have sex with a prostitute and then to come back to his followers as a ghost.

how can you call yourself an agnostic after saying this?

You cant make up your silly lil head what you are...one min you chant...look at me I am AGNOSTIC wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..............................then you turn and chant...look at me im sandradee may not be an AGNOSTIC..... you cant make up your mind at all...you havent a clue what you are talking about...all you do is post up hate at those that follow their own beliefs...you show hate everywhere you go...you should be ashamed to say you follow God at all...but then hey...you cant make up your mind on that can you?

I'll tell you this bolty...at least i stick by what I believe in...I AINT A BIGOT like you....I KNOW what I want out of my faith..............you have proved over and over again that your idea of faith is to show ignorance and hate..you are a

seriously bolt, how do you know? how is it "so evident" becuase i cant seem to find any COLD HARD EVIDENCE. you can say "look around you man, its all god" but that would be weasling out of the question.

of course i question what i cannot see, instead of being told what to see, and turning a blind eye to objective thinking. I can come to my own conclusions, you are told what to think.

Wow your a hypocrite, you really are, you spend your time going around spewing sh** about how bad the Christian religion is and how the bible is compeltely inaccurate, you worship Jesus but you don't call yourself a Christian? It seems your just tossing the same exact chemistry that your guilty of as well, and your calling me the joke? You agree with everyone, except wait, Christians! The only time you ever make compliments towards other Christians is when they respect you even though you ridicule them! I don't fly that way I'm afraid, if your going to consistently bash another religion (understand it doesn't mean what religion) then I'll be here to show some backbone and character for it (unlike you of course), as you can plainly see, my words haven't all been "hatred and ignorance" let's see, I have been pretty civil with the other Satanists on this board, (a religion I personally dissapprove of) as one example to name right off bat.

Telling me where to stand? Oh, that's not even logical coming from someone like you! How can you say that Christians copied other religions when you believed Jesus existed? Ah forget it, this will just go through one ear and out the other.

Edit: I'd also like to add that whenever I tell you this stuff, you ALWAYS run off or ignore me, how ironic.