Here is just something I found on the net that I would like to share

We have seen the belief in UFOs, aliens, and even alien abductions grow to a point that this country, no, the world now believes more in ET than God.
Between Star Trek, Star Wars, Aliens, ET, CE3K, and newer movies and t.v. shows like X-Files and dark Skies, we are getting programed more and more to believe the government is covering up the truth and aliens visit us and abduct us.

Not true. Not aliens, but demons. What better lie could Satan facilitate on us, than to get us out of our belief and into a fear? Away from faith in God, and fear of some little grey being abducting us.
When we know it is demons, this hurts Satan, because if there are demons, there are Angels. If there is Satan, there is God. So, Satan needed a vehicle to remove his idenity and those involved with him off center. What better lie than aliens?
30 years ago you would have been put away if you said you believed in UFOs, much less had been abducted. But today, it is accepted, the lie about aliens, and abductions, more people today believe in aliens and UFOs, than God. If it were not true, then more would be spent on God and His kingdom, than on aliens and UFOs. You do not see the movie Matthew done from the Gospel Matthew as a blockbuster. And t.v. series based on God, you don't see them getting the best time slots, or having spin offs of spin offs. Ok, Touched By An Angel, is the exception, but there is no mention of Jesus in any show. I am not knocking any of these shows, most of which I watch. But they are all, except Touch By An Angel, lies...to confuse us and program us.
You don't think you are programed by t.v.? Then turn it off, and see how long you can go. And if you can go for more than a week, notice what items you purchase or who you believe in. I bet you it is all based on what you have seen on t.v.. And the sad part is, people don't see this or believe it, and when they do, they say "Oh I can handle it". Do you really think advertisers would spend billions a year for such short spots (30-60 seconds), if the ads did not work and get you to buy their product?
And if a 30 - 60 second spot seen a few times will do this, what will 24 - 48 minutes series do to you.
Read what Jesus said;

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

"If [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect" you and I are the elect, and could He (Jesus) have meant a belief in aliens and abuctions. Isn't the belief in these things, based on great wonders and signs? Have you noticed how early drawings of demons look so much like aliens today? Maybe it is not abductions, but demonic possessions. I leave you with this to think about.

Are they aliens or demons that people are saying have abducted them?

Are they UFO's or gateways to another dimension?

Take into account that demons of the crusade period and earlier look similar to the aliens that are now being reported.

Remember Paul said

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2 Cor 12:2 (KJV)

The third heaven by this account is the heaven, and the first heaven is the sky we see with our eyes. It is supposed that the second heaven between our sky and the heaven, is the place where Satan is located.

In Revelation

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:10-12 (KJV)

Satan is cast down, not before Christ, not after Christ arose again, but after there were brethren Satan could accuse.

So the second heaven being another dimension and that being where Satan and the demons are, then when they travel from that dimension into ours from above could appear as light or imagine a door opening, the light shooting across the sky, stopping and then disappearing again. This could account for a lot of UFO's.

Now think about it, does Satan want man kind to know he really exist? No, of course not, because if people knew he was real they would also know God was real also. So the best thing is to use another way to mess with us than actual demons and demon possessions. And what better than alien abductions and alien experiments and torture. Think about what Satan is after, he is after our souls and to cut us off from God. If we are in fear we are cut off from God. And think about the abductions, they are tortured, experimented on and a lot of stories about reproduction. Now let's take the last first, reproduction.

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:1-2 (KJV)

We know that by the account in Job that the sons of God refer to angels, or in this case fallen angels.

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:6 (KJV)

1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 2:1 (KJV)

So if the sons of God (fallen angels) were marring daughters of man, then we would have a perversion and that is part of what Satan is about and is an offenses to God.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Gen 6:3-6 (KJV)

Why else would God repent of man kind, what would of grieved Him more than the two marring and perverting what He made.

Think about it, alien abductions fit the total make up of Satan, torture, reproducing a perversion of man, and making people live in fear.

But there is another reason this fits Satan. The more we believe in some alien race that is powerful enough to come here from great distances and do what they are doing it causes a fear of them and a lack of believe of God.

And when rapture happens, and it will, the best excuse Satan's puppet the anti-christ will have is that we all were abducted. And this will fit with the need of having the number of the beast implanted in man. He will be able to convince those left behind that if they receive the implant then they could be tracked and found and not totally disappear as the first batch did. Then when the second rapture happens this will just push more to accept the Mark.

You do not believe in the rapture? Did you know there have been others already!

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Gen 5:24 (KJV)

11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

2 Kings 2:11 (KJV)

And what about the many who were dead and arose again?

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

matt 27:52-53 (KJV)

Remember God did not have the Jews suffer under all the plaques Egypt suffer under. So why should we, tribulation is a time of getting right with God, it is the last call, the last chance.

First He removes those who are His own and then allows those left for the first 3.5 years to see what it is like with man ruling without God, so those who are on the fence will finally wake up and see that man without God is not the way. Then He removes them, and the last 3.5 years is the time where it is man with Satan in charge and not God, to see that Satan is not the way. And then a final rapture and then the wrath of God falls on those remaining.

29 Imediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

matt 24:29 (KJV)

Go and read Revelation and what all happens basically it is described in the above verse.

Think of tribulation as a time for God to get man's attention, like taking a 2 by 4 to a mule to get it to move.

But the point is that the whole believe in aliens, UFO's and abductions is serving Satan, the belief of this has grown in the past 40 years at such a rate that is shocking.

SOURCE: Part 1
Part 2

Here is a video about how aliens could be demons

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1565744367577847884

there is a post EXACTLY like this and i mean EXACTLY!!! its called aliens dotn exist look at the bottom of the page where the threads are

What a completely close-minded illogical theory.

Aha, but in the Bible, God only created one race of man...on earth. No more...Sorry, your theory does not work.

You could twist that theory and instead of saying "Aliens are Demons" you could say "Demons are Aliens" and that the myth of demons originates from people witnessing Alien visitors.

I don't believe aliens are demons. Compare this: To this:

Anyway, I have a more logical reason than that. I'll post why later.

hmmmm......... Interesting Theory.

Indeed, thats also possible

So?



Programmed? Umm... how so?



Oh really? Proof plz.



That does not make it so. Plus, I dont see any reason to even believe in Satan and God...



You can apply the same logic to anything mysterious/unexplained... from ghosts to gremlins to ETs...




You wouldnt have been put away at all.



What lie? You have not yet proved that it is a lie. And so what if ppl believe in aliens more than god?



Not necessairly. Aliens and god are not mutually exclusive.



So what? I dont want to see them getting the best time spots and spin offs, just as plenty people dont because it doesnt *interest* them.



Proof?



I barely watch TV as it is.



I have gone without tv for longer than a week, and I've seen no difference.



Not in my case, but so what if it was? ALl belief is based off of something, its either TV, society, parents or something else which spreads the word and stems peoples interest, inticing them to do research on it and eventually forming a belief on the subject.





Ads arent so much about brainwashing as they are to inform the public of a new product.

And so what if the TV beat the church and "brainwashed" people to believe in UFOs over god...? It doesnt make the belief wrong in any way.



Could have... thats pretty weak...



Nah, its mostly based on logic, whether it be valid or invalid.



No, not really.



Can you show me?



Pure speculation.



Really? How come the idea escaped him for almost 2000 years then?



If you read up on these alien abduction cases, you'll notice that the victims have supposedly had their memories erased, or the "aliens" put a lot of effort into trying to make the abductee forget about the whole affaire. Why would Satan do this?



Sure it will....

as i said before there is a post EXACTLY like this down further in the page, it has about 100 replies its called aliens dont exist, just look at that all of your wuestions have most likely been answered already

ROFL, so if they erase the abductee memory, Then how the f*** do u no they do that ^.^ If they erase the memory I dont mean to be mean But your the rude one, Cant u just say sorry, i dont belive that, instead of all that!

Most abduction cases come out in hypnosis because the people have hard times remembering anything other than missing time. As for the rest of your post... care to try again, using punctuation this time?

The rest.. By it i ment Why all that? Its like your being mean, You know you can just write "I dont belive in that" Instead of quoting every sentence.. ^.^

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Being mean? HAHA

Stellar is just cross-examining someone else's claims. It's what this forum is for. Giving reason as to why you don't believe a theory is FAR from being "mean".

There are a few of us out there that like to give reasoning for our ideas and thoughts.

Sorry then.. ^.^

Stellar slices and dices with precision.

Personally, I don't beleive in gods or demons. If you look at the roots of religion and go back as far as possible, you may find that what we describe as demons and what the people then were seeing were just non-human visitors.

I went back 32,000 years which was as far as archaeological evidence took me and found in Moravia, or mid- east Europe, simple ritual related to beleif in the earth mother.

Later religions had supernatural beings such as the Immortals of China or our own Odin. The Jehovah god was a local war deity related to a specific mountain region.

If you read Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision", there are still a few copies around, you'll find his theory of a comet which was captured into our solar system, causing widespread catastrophe such as tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, the ground on fire as hydrocarbons were deposited and maybe even the demise of existing civilisation. Hence the present day major religions which are mostly relics of eastern oral history warning of war among gods and vengeance of gods.

The Mayan calendar was to determine the passage of this comet which settled into regular orbit as the relatively young planet Venus.

It's the religious doctrine that inspires fear of a devil which is just a corruption of the nature god, the horned man and the horned man is one of our oldest types of visitors, whether from another planet or another plane.

Also Ive seen an unearthly flying craft, it altered shape and size as I watched and a friend I rang at the time saw it land and take off again 4 miles away.

I posted a topic similar to this in the Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs section. From the research ive done it seems that it goes like this, Sons of God (Angels) --> Nephilim (Giants) --->Demons appear in history in that order. Aliens are somewhere in that line but i'm not exactly sure where. If that is true then it isnt that just Aliens are Demons, its that Fallen angels are the reason we have all 3.

If your interested ill post a link to the extremely long post i made titled "Alien lineage found due to Coast to coast?".

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=72677

I think the OP is obsessed with Touched By An Angel.

Ichigo, I'm the person who posted the other thread titled "Aliens Don't Exist: It's All a Ruse". And I agree with what you posted 110%

As far as Angels (Sons of God) Nephilim (Nephilim were the offspring hybrids of Angels and Humans and they were "Giants"...larger than the average human of the time.) and Demons...it was in that order because once the Angels fell from grace, they became Fallen Angels aka Demons but Aliens play no part in it other than the Demons being the one's who manifest as them.

watch the video guys.
Lots of interesting stuff from it.


kind of off topic but heres 1 of the many parts i found interesting...
"you can literally hypnotise a person to tell them that there is a cat in their lap, they will see it, they will hear it pur, they will pet it and feel it. Its not physically there. You tell the cat to scratch them, you know and bring them out of it. There are scratch marks on their cheeks. A non physical object in the right conditions can leave physical evidence. I think its demonic, its a spiritual power of some kind for which there is no physical explaination. You can't explain it with the laws of chemistry and physics as we know it."

this could mean, aliens are not physically there.

So then that would mean that they were all in the mind? Just a psychological thing?

i don't know but i tend to believe they are demonsm what sasa said, the video has convinced me .

and settle down people, no bashing the op lol

Oh, okay.

I'm settled.

I think I may be blind... which video is this?

Its this one
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1565744367577847884

That was a very interesting documentary. I've written down a bunch of names of books to read from it! Of course to believe what they are stating, you have to believe in the Christian Bible too....

Nevertheless it was an excellent and entertaining documentary!!

Thank you - That's an excellent video.

One thing I've learned about Demons is that when they find something that "works" on humans, they don't veer from it. I see it in case after case in which demonic activity is present. And if you think about it logically, it's the same "Flying Objects" that people reported seeing over hundreds of years that they are STILL using today to confuse, deceive and convince people with. Again, they haven't veered away. Look at how quickly our technology has advanced in just fifty years. You'd think that if there really was extraterrestrial life in existance that has such highly evolved technology, they'd have come up with something by now after hundreds of years other than a Flying Saucer to fly around in.

I don't think they would have to come up with something else or it is impossible for them to come up with something else. If they had built a craft which could zip around or teleport to any place anywhere then i don't think they could or would want to try and perfect it since it seems flawless anyway. Say if me and you created a ship that could teleport or move a such a fast speed that it would only take us a matter of seconds to get there. Now what if we put our heads together and thought of away to make the ship teleport or move that tiny little bit faster lets say by a couple of seconds, would you bother to redesign the ship or any of it's components to make the ship move a tiny little bit faster even though there was not really any point to it. I know i would not. If the ship was able to move at such a speed or teleport to its destination without any problems i would rather focus on creating new things instead on wasting my time on something that does not really need to be upgraded or redesigned.

If we are starting to explore space ourselves,it is only a logical assumption that onother race could be doing the same thing,I don't think i am brain washed into thinking this,it is just an innocent idea.One created by the brain god gave me.My sister is a full on christian and whenever i start to philosiphy about the earth and universe and the enormous possibilities about where we come from she just shuts me out and won't talk.As far as she is concerned she knows the truth and that is the end of the story,she is of the belief she must shut everything else out...now i'm not einstein but that sounds like someones been brainwashed.........
It really sounds like people who believe in the scriptures need to make the alien thing fit into there scheme of things,hence they think demons.
Some people just like to think outside the box,it really is as simple as that....what your on about is just a little bit dark ages for me....
But in saying that if you logically come to the assumption that aliens are demons and the whole world is brainwashed and you are comfortable in the knowledge that you are rite then you go for it dude

I just thought demons and such were created along with religion?
And if so what does that have to do with Aliens?
I'm just curious really this is an interesting topic!

Moro, in the post i made about the alien lineage, I covered what my findings were. Through much research I came to the conclusion that aliens,Nephilim, demons and the annunaki (as discussed in the Sumerian texts and researched by Zacharia sitchin) are all one in the same.

An extreme summary that tie these beings to each other, is that people who have come in contact with any of these beings, all have similar reports. One is the denial of Christianity and that Jesus is the Messiah. It is claimed that though following them and learning wisdom, we can become like Gods. Also, when rebuking these beings in the name of Jesus Christ, all of them will listen. It is also interesting that not a single Christian has ever willingly been abducted. If these beings declare that God does not exist, why then do they flee from His very name? Believe me, there is much research you can do on what I’ve posted. The research will not contradict at all with any of my points.

These beings declare that “They” are the real gods, and that they created us. Some of the researches on this topic actually believe that this is the correct conclusion. It is after all the conclusion that the Aliens and demons want you to have. And they have been working very hard on their grand plan of deception ever since their first fall. Look up aliens in history and you will find Ufos’ and Alien looking beings in many ancient paintings. The Egyptians had Gods they worshiped, these God’s were much more real than just fairy tales. Their main God of worship is the sun God Horus. Hmmm interestingly enough Lucifer is known as the illuminated one, Bringer of light. We also have ancient Greek mythology of Gods such as Prometheus the Bringer of Fire. These Gods, are all more based on reality than myth however. Fallen angels were looked at as Gods here on earth. Once here, they taught all sorts of forbidden magic, alchemy and advanced sciences. Documented to us in the bible and the book of Enoch, these incredible events were told to us as they were. Then later retold and supped up to what we have as mythology and fairytale today.

Take none of what I wrote as fact for yourself, rather research it on your own, so that you can find truth for itself.

Well thanks Raphiem that seems like an interesting read! I would like to learn a bit more on it!

Omg i always knew aliens were demons. Well lets see so what does that make us... hmmm

"Aliens" are foreign creatures. So uh no aliens aren't.

Aliens first probably have never even seen this planet. And secondly biblical evidence is like telekenesis. Its all crazy talk for the fools

I will agree on that but for the other stuff i dunno!

Ichigo,

I think what you're sharing is really saying that many in the West have lost their active faith in God and whatever one wishes to construe as contributing to it can be hung from Satan's neck.

Quote "Think about it, alien abductions fit the total make up of Satan, torture, reproducing a perversion of man, and making people live in fear."

This sounds like so many governments and militaries. Are they agents of Satan? Are they aliens?

And why do people refer to God and HIS kingdom? I thought God was unknowable, yet he always turns out, in the mainstream anyway, to be an undoubtedly masculine figure. Something to do with the long, dark history of sexism?

Not all people fear the prospect of alien visitation. Some of us can't wait. It'll be so much better than the crap on TV. Sci Fi on TV is virtually cowboys and Indians in space with unconvincing alien designs, Klingons excepted. And the new Dr. Who is a kids show.

The interesting idea is that the Bible may describe visitations by creatures not of our world.
Predator! They're the Giants.

How do you know this?

I don't think anyone is ever WILLINGLY "abducted"....otherwise it wouldn't be an abduction.

Weasel, I cant say that I know this personally from first hand account. But through the readings of abductees and hearing the testimonial of researches on this very topic is how i came across it. Gary Bates is one such man you can read up on his findings, another is Chuck Missler. There are countless others that can be found with similar findings. As i posted earlier, I don’t expect or want anyone to take what im saying as fact. Rather hoping it interest others enough as it has me, to do some of their own research on this topic.

As far as the willingly thing goes sasa, i had to put that exact wording in there because there are those that allow themselves to be channels for these types of things. Some people openly and willingly call forth spirits, demons, and aliens. I forget the name of the girl, but there has been one documented Christian with an abduction account, but she claims it was voluntary. So i stand behind the willingness statement.

Here again is the post i made fully documenting what lead me to this conclusion. It's fairly long but believe it or not, it is the best way i could summerize what lead me to my findings. I included a few sources with related articles and videos. A couple of the videos I posted began popping up all over this forum after I posted them. Such as the UFO hidden truth video. If any of what I posted shocks you or seems unreal, please look it up for your self and come to your own conclusions. I don’t think its wise to disbelieve, ore believe what anyone says without first looking into it for yourself first. I promise you though, nothing I have posted is made up or can be proven absolutely false.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=72677

Well I do believe in the God of the Bible and put my faith in Him and Him alone.

I, too, have heard this theory and though I haven't discussed this with my Spiritual Father, I don't believe that the Orthodox Christian Church has a specific standing on this topic.

With that in mind, I believe it is entirely plausible that Satan is trying to deceive the world into disbelieving in The Creator and get them to believe in the created; and that the world is being setup into being tricked by the biggest trickster of all.

While my Church doesn't subscribe to the heretical teaching of "the rapture" (this is neither the time or the place to go into that false teaching), I have heard that when the Antichrist comes upon the Earth, he will explain all the disappearances of Christians as being taken by UFO's. Since I don't believe in "the rapture", I don't subscribe to this explanation.

Why does that theory not work? Just because you say so? Explain your opposition to the theory, please.

I have no idea if Aliens are Demons or visa versa , or anything else... I personally do not recall meeting one face to face.. therefore, I simply can't say one way or another on that.

But what I do know is that there are HUNDREDS of Alien encounters that this one web site I came acrossed some time ago. It has collected over many years.. dating back to 1990's as well as some Reports from 2357 BC - 1869 AD

Sadly, and apparently it will be this web sites last year in collecting this sort of information.

Anyway, many incidents that I have read on this site from people that have been abducted (all seemed unwilling to want to go) , or were face to face or witnessed something "alien" are of various religious backgrounds.

It's a loooong read .. scroll down to find The Humanoid Contact Database - you will see links for each year, and these reports are from ALL over the world in what / and how they perceived things.. (some incidents are wayyyy out there , others seem a bit more realistic)

http://iraap.org/rosales/index.htm#1990

Anyway, I just think it's how we are/ were brought up, our life experiances and how we handle them is what makes our judgement on many things.... not just where Aliens come from.

Saying Aliens are Demons sounds a bit like my line when I say, "My ex-husband is an Alien! "

Saying Aliens are Demons sounds a bit like my line when I say, "My ex-husband is an Alien!

Not quite, you need to really look at the impact of that implication:

If demons are maquerading as aliens, they are conducting an extremely elaborate scheme on mankind.

If demons are masquerading as aliens whose messages seem to support any belief as long as it guides you away from Biblical truth, then that means Biblical truth is of paramount importance to humans.

If demons are masquerading as aliens then what you believe and accept will have eternal consequences for you and yours.

Don't dismiss this point lightly.

thats actually fiction, the sumerian tablets do not speak of annuaki

Wow - you actually took me seriously regarding my ex... but you sound a bit like this guy.... in this video:

Aliens in the Bible (by John Milor)

But there's nothing worse than someone trying to cram down religous mumbo jumbo down my God given mind and throat .. now THAT sounds a bit unwanted.. although I was not abducted in this case.

I suppose you think WestBoro Church and all what they preach of hate, prejudice and discrimination, is all fine and dandy to.

In my upbringing.. GOD CREATED ALL -- ALL.. not just you and me, but all the bad, all the good, all the beauty and all the ugly... and ALL FOR A REASON. GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES. .. right?

It is just interesting how so many get their panties all in a bunch when something is not to their standards, they call it the works of Satan.

How do WE as HUMANS really know ALIENS are DEMONS or visa versa?? Did YOU personally have a NDE that told you otherwise about them, or have a run in with an Alien that told you the gospel truth? Even if one did, how do we know that information is of the absolute truth??

Actually some of this religous stuff regarding Aliens and Demons, Aliens being Fallen Angels, Demons are Aliens, all sounds more like from out of paranoia than anything else. Sort of like a set up : "Let's shoot 'em down, THEN ask questions later!" type attitude. Real great conditioning going on there...(being sarcastic if some can't tell)

I guess I try to keep an open mind: Not a closed mind where I won't be able to learn things, and not so open where I loose my mind either.

*sigh*

I was going to say that maybe demons are aliens, but I think you beat me to it.
I think people forget that we have been on this planet for a long time and much of our history wasn't written down and controlled, also our religion was more universal in the distant past and also not controlled by an elite.
We only settled down to farming 10.000 years ago!
The Bible is a relatively new collection of histories and it's very selective. The Islamic religion also has the Pentateuch as one of its holy books and in my personal opinion is the other side of the same coin.
One thing about Islam though is that they don't deny the existence of other beings besides ourselves who inhabit this planet. After I saw a being that wasn't human as Ive described before, I spent a lot of time trying to find out what it was Id seen. The asian people Ive spoken to take it seriously and said it was probably a Djin. The Djin are different from the Nephilim, they are a seperate species to ourselves, not hybrids and they are reputedly the beings who did the hard lifting in the construction of Solomons temple.
I think also that the fairy folk, (Faerie meaning enchanted or mystical or wise as in wicca) are the same as the Djin but our oral history shrunk them with the onset of Christianity.
I am not a Christian and wasn't before I had my experience. I decided I didn't want to be a part of a religion that was based on bloodshed and lies from the start with Constantine who had his whole family murdered on the way to Constantinople. That's not to mention the Spanish Inquisition and the witchfinders who murdered everyone who had any of the existing religious knowledge or even practical knowledge of healing plants, or midwifery.
Its time we started to grow up a bit and leave the monsters and nightmares behind.
Im not an atheist, I do think that as any sentient being can think "I am", then thats what the ancients were tryng to tell us and what the visitors are trying to tell us now. Life is all one being, You are me and I am you and all the rest...

Just a point, there are a lot of tales of christians seeing "angels", for an example, look up the fatima story. If that wasn't a visitor from elsewhere then I'm a monkeys uncle!
Christians seeing a spaceship call it a holy chariot.

I just want to point out that when christians see things they just label it differently, eg as "angels" or a "madonna" an example:



THE MIRACLE OF THE SUN



An Eyewitness Account by Dr. José Maria de Almeida Garrett, professor at the Faculty of Sciences of Coimbra, Portugal


"It must have been 1:30 pm when there arose, at the exact spot where the children were, a column of smoke, thin, fine and bluish, which extended up to perhaps two meters above their heads, and evaporated at that height. This phenomenon, perfectly visible to the naked eye, lasted for a few seconds. Not having noted how long it had lasted, I cannot say whether it was more or less than a minute. The smoke dissipated abruptly, and after some time, it came back to occur a second time, then a third time
"The sky, which had been overcast all day, suddenly cleared; the rain stopped and it looked as if the sun were about to fill with light the countryside that the wintery morning had made so gloomy. I was looking at the spot of the apparitions in a serene, if cold, expectation of something happening and with diminishing curiosity because a long time had passed without anything to excite my attention. The sun, a few moments before, had broken through the thick layer of clouds which hid it and now shone clearly and intensely.
"Suddenly I heard the uproar of thousands of voices, and I saw the whole multitude spread out in that vast space at my feet...turn their backs to that spot where, until then, all their expectations had been focused, and look at the sun on the other side. I turned around, too, toward the point commanding their gaze and I could see the sun, like a very clear disc, with its sharp edge, which gleamed without hurting the sight. It could not be confused with the sun seen through a fog (there was no fog at that moment), for it was neither veiled nor dim. At Fatima, it kept its light and heat, and stood out clearly in the sky, with a sharp edge, like a large gaming table. The most astonishing thing was to be able to stare at the solar disc for a long time, brilliant with light and heat, without hurting the eyes or damaging the retina. [During this time], the sun's disc did not remain immobile, it had a giddy motion, [but] not like the twinking of a star in all its brilliance for it spun round upon itself in a mad whirl.
"During the solar phenomenon, which I have just described, there were also changes of color in the atmosphere. Looking at the sun, I noticed that everything was becoming darkened. I looked first at the nearest objects and then extended my glance further afield as far as the horizon. I saw everything had assumed an amethyst color. Objects around me, the sky and the atmosphere, were of the same color. Everything both near and far had changed, taking on the color of old yellow damask. People looked as if they were suffering from jaundice and I recall a sensation of amusement at seeing them look so ugly and unattractive. My own hand was the same color.
"Then, suddenly, one heard a clamor, a cry of anguish breaking from all the people. The sun, whirling wildly, seemed all at once to loosen itself from the firmament and, blood red, advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge and fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was truly terrible.
"All the phenomena which I have described were observed by me in a calm and serene state of mind without any emotional disturbance. It is for others to interpret and explain them. Finally, I must declare that never, before or after October 13 [1917], have I observed similar atmospheric or solar phenomena."

Professor Almeida Garrett's full account may be found in "Novos Documentos de Fatima" (Loyala editions, San Paulo, 1984)





The 1917 Fatima Sightings



On May 13, 1917, three illiterate shepherd children, at work tending sheep outside Fatima, Portugal, were surprised by a bright flash in a nearby pasture called Cova de Ira, widely known as an old sacred place. Approaching the pasture, they were caught in a luminosity that nearly blinded them. In the center of the blaze of light, they perceived a little woman who told them she was "from heaven" and warned that world-wide suffering could be averted only if people ceased "offending God". The illuminated figure - who quickly became known as Our Lady - asked them to return to the same spot every month.

On June 13th, the children returned. This time fifty witnesses watched as the three knelt in prayer and the oldest, ten-year-old Lucia, addressed an unseen entity whose answers were unheard by anyone other than Lucia and her two young companions. One witness reported hearing a faint voice or beelike buzzing. At the end of the dialogue, witness heard an explosion and saw a small cloud rise near a tree.

Forty-Five hundred witnesses joined the three children near the same tree in the same pasture on July 13th. This day several witnesses reported "a buzzing or humming" sound, a decrease in the suns glow and heat, a small whitish cloud about the tree of the apparitions, and a loud noise at the Lady's departure.

On August 13, the crowd grew to 18,000 but the three children were not among them. They had been jailed by local officials eager to "put an end to this nonsense". Even so, those present in the field reported a clap of thunder followed by a bright flash and a cloud surrounding the same "magical" tree. One month later a crown of 30,000 watched in astonishment as a globe of light appeared in plain view, advancing through the valley floor from east to west, coming to rest on the same tree.

Two deeply sceptical priest - who arrived expecting to find evidence of mass hysteria - reported that a white cloud formed around the tree as "falling flowers" descended from the sky and disappeared as witnesses reached to touch them.

The most amazing display occurred in Fatima on the October 13th, when 70,000 gathered in pouring rain. Many came to keep faith with the prophecy of Our Lady, others to taunt what they saw as a display of medieval supernaturalism. Shortly after noon, thick gray clouds suddenly departed and rolled back like curtains on a stage, as a strange fragrance filled the air. The sun appeared against the clear blue sky as a flat silver disc revolving on its own axis and sent forth shafts of red, violet, yellow and blue light in all directions. Suddenly the disc plunged erratically downward in a zigzag fashion, causing thousands of witnesses - believers and disbelievers alike - to fall to their knees in public confession of their sins before the world ended.

The disc stopped short and began slowly rising into the sky in the same irregular way, disappearing into the sun, which stood once again fixed in its natural brilliance. The entire display lasted less than fifteen minutes. No less amazing was this fact, confirmed by the managing editor of Lisbon's largest daily newspaper: the streets and clothes of thousands of witnesses were no longer wet, even though heavy rains had fallen within the hour. Throughout the countryside, strange healings were reported.


After 13 years of investigation, the Catholic Church, offered this evaluation of the Fatima sighting:

"This phenomenon, which no astronomical observatory registered and which therefore was not natural, was witnessed by persons of all categories and of all social classes, believers and non-believers, journalists of the principal Portuguese newspapers and even by persons some miles away. Facts which annul any explanations of collective illusion".

Many modern day UFOlogists believe the last sighting to be a UFO event.

Hi Cinders,

No, I did not actually take you seriously when you made the comment about your ex. What I was trying to do was get you to see that his issue is too important to dismiss so lightly.

But there's nothing worse than someone trying to cram down religous mumbo jumbo down my God given mind and throat .. now THAT sounds a bit unwanted.. although I was not abducted in this case.


I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to cram religious mumbo jumbo down your throat, I was trying to get you to see that there is some strong evidence to support this view of the whole Alien/abduction/Ancient Astronaut topic


[b]I suppose you think WestBoro Church and all what they preach of hate, prejudice and discrimination, is all fine and dandy to. [/b]

What is the WestBoro Church and why did my few comments make you think of a church you regard as hateful, prejudiced, and discriminatory.

[b]In my upbringing.. [b]GOD CREATED ALL -- ALL.. not just you and me, but all the bad, all the good, all the beauty and all the ugly... and ALL FOR A REASON. GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES. .. right? [/b][/b]

I agree with you that God does not make mistakes and that everything that has happenned or will happen is part of His plan. But the Bible does talk about what the eternal outcome of everyone will be.

It is just interesting how so many get their panties all in a bunch when something is not to their standards, they call it the works of Satan.
How do WE as HUMANS really know ALIENS are DEMONS or visa versa?? Did YOU personally have a NDE that told you otherwise about them, or have a run in with an Alien that told you the gospel truth? Even if one did, how do we know that information is of the absolute truth??

No. I have not had personal experience that leads me to this conclusion, but I have read enough on the subject to know that there is good evidence supporting this view. Even Whitley Striber and Jaques Vallee (both well known authros and researchers in the UFO/Alien topic) have found the link between "aliens" and the entities recognized as demons and angels in Judeo-Christian literature. Both have openly expressed their belief that these entities are the same and that they are conducting a centuries-long mind altering experiment on humanity.

Actually some of this religous stuff regarding Aliens and Demons, Aliens being Fallen Angels, Demons are Aliens, all sounds more like from out of paranoia than anything else. Sort of like a set up : "Let's shoot 'em down, THEN ask questions later!" type attitude. Real great conditioning going on there...(being sarcastic if some can't tell)


If you read some of the research recommended by Raphiem and others you will see that it is not paranoia, there is some strong evidence out there.

I guess I try to keep an open mind: Not a closed mind where I won't be able to learn things, and not so open where I loose my mind either.


I hope you really mean that, so far it seems you are trying real hard to dismiss this whole topic as religious hate/nonsense or paranoia. Study the research. I am not trying to cram something down your throat just trying to seriously discuss some evidence that may point to an answer on an increasingly important topic.

Aliens are not demons .
That would mean everything not of earth is demonic.Because everything not of this earth is alien to us,God created everything.
To be taken against your will is not demonic,Just another life existence trying to understand life.
There are alot uncomfortable experiences in this world,are you going to call giving birth demonic.To relate alot of ways of dieing can be painfilled.Is this the same?NO.
The study of life is not just restricted to our planet.And if you you think you really know god then i suggest you hold a prayer meeting and get it right.
Aliens are not demons.People have more than every rite to except the possibility that there is more than us.It would sound like you christians are recruiting more than anything.
These peolple are subscribing to a possibility for free,does that bother the religious.
OPEN YOUR EYES everyone.OUR POINT IS WE HAVE A SUN AND A PLANET TO LIVE ON.
WE LOOK AT SPACE AND SEE THERE IS THE CHANCE WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT GOD MADE.tHEN WE GET THE PSHYCHOS WHO THINK THEY KNOW BETTER.gOD DOES NOT COME INTO YOUR BEDROOMS AT NITE AND TELL YOU DIFFERENT SO DONT TRY TO CONVINCE THE REST OF THE LOGICAL WORLD HE DOES.aLIENS ARE NOT DEMONS.
aND NO CHRISTIAN ON THIS SITE IS A PROPHET ...