The Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists. This proves without doubt that the Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him to the Prophet Muhammad , and that the Quran was not authored by Muhammad or by any other human being. This also proves that Muhammad is truly a prophet sent by God. It is beyond reason that anyone fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated scientific methods. Some examples follow.

A) The Quran on Human Embryonic Development:
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:


" We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... " (Quran, 23:12-14)

Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity bet
ween the two2 as we can see in figure 1. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.

figure1: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img1.jpg

The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” This is what we can see in figures 2 and 3, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.

Figure 2: We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus) of the mother. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 66.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

figure 2: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img2.jpg


Figure 3: In this photomicrograph, we can see the suspension of an embryo (marked during the alaqah stage (about 15 days old) in the womb of the mother. The actual size of the embryo is about 0.6 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore, 3rd ed., p. 66, from Histology, Leeson and Leeson.)

figure 3: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img3.jpg

The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage4 (see figure 4). Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

Figure 4: Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage. The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo. (The Developing Human, Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.”6 (see figures 5 and 6).

Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old). The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance. The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.)

figure 5: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img5.jpg

Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.

figure 6: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img6.jpg


How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7

Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore8 is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”9 (To view the RealPlayer video of this comment click here ).

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”10

During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “....Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.”
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D) The Quran on the Cerebrum:
God has said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad from praying at the Kaaba:


No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)! (Quran, 96:15-16)

Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful? Why didn’t the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful? What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness?

If we look into the skull at the front of the head, we will find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum (see figure 12). What does physiology tell us about the function of this area? A book entitled Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology says about this area, “The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex...”1 Also the book says, “In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression....”2



Figure 12: Functional regions of the left hemisphere of the cerebral cortex. The prefrontal area is located at the front of the cerebral cortex. (Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology, Seeley and others, p. 210.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

figure 12: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-d-img1.jpg


So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “...A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.3


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WHAT DO THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN?

- THEIR IS NO GOD BUT GOD HIMSELF.
- HE SENT JESUS AND MOSES AND THE REST OF THE PROPHETS (YOU MUST BELIEVE IN ALL THE PROPHETS TO BECOME A MUSLIM INCLUDING JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM)
- GOD IS ONE, HE HAS NOT TAKEN A SON AND OR A WIFE.
- YOU MUST, IN ORDER TO BECOME A MUSLIM BELIEVE IN THE ANGELS (THE SAME AS CHRISTIANITY)
.. look forward for my next topic, proof from the HOLLY BIBLE that Mohammed is the messenger of God. (btw Muslims dont worship Mohammed, hes just a messenger from God just like Moses and Jesus peace be upon them and so on).

I don't really need why need proof. I already except Islam as a religion, but a kind of blood-hungry religion

please read my topic "islam on terrorism". Islam forbids the killing of innocent people.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Islam say: Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword!
That doesn't sound very peaceful.

very interesting. the Quran sure does have more proof than the Holy Bible of being correct. It actualy has some scientific evidence, but even whith that evidence you know that most people will not believe you. They will stick to their faith. As for myself im going to convert right away lol j/k j/k. I dont really think that the Quran could be the truth. I mean just because Muhammad had a book that shows the stages of embryotic development doesnt mean it was the word of God. I think ill stick to the good old Satanic Bible, the Quran just dont cut it for me.

where did u get all this rubbish ? with all due respec. Islam says "you have your releigion and we have ours". We are not to kill those who have a different relegion that is absurd. And as for the Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. That is true, HOWEVER do you know when this verse came? In Islam, you cant just take a verse and say OH IT SAYS KILL THEM fine ill go kill them. No that is unexeptable, that is what the terorists due. We have something called "tafseer". It was written down since the days of the prophet explaining the verses in the Holly Quran and saying why and when these verses came. This verse for example: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies] came unto the prophet before the Arabs (who worshiped several Gods at that time] wanted to kill Mohammed and his followers, so they planned invading them. And before the battle the Muslims were afraid, they did not know what to do. And so this verse came to raise their morals and encorage them to fight the "attackers". This verse canot be made an excuse to kill any non Muslim. This verse is only speaking about the war between the Muslims and the Non Muslims who attacked the Muslims. Read the rest of my articles. Islam even prohibts that even if you were in the middle of war you are not to kill a women, a child, and or even harm your enemies plants! And even if you are at war you are not to attack your enemy at night because you may wake their women and children up and scare them!

And that what you have said has been said by Khomeini, an Iranian, a Shiite Muslim. Shiites are very extrem, I am and most Muslims are Sunnis. Shiites are considered by many Muslims to be non Muslims.

where did u get all this rubbish ? with all due respec. The Quran says "you have your releigion and we have ours". We are not to kill those who have a different relegion that is absurd. And as for the Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. That is true, HOWEVER do you know when this verse came? In Islam, you cant just take a verse and say OH IT SAYS KILL THEM fine ill go kill them. No that is unexeptable, that is what the terorists do. We have something called "tafseer". It was written down since the days of the prophet explaining the verses in the Holly Quran and saying why and when these verses came. This verse for example: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies] came unto the prophet before the Arabs (who worshiped several Gods at that time] wanted to kill Mohammed and his followers, so they planned invading them. And before the battle the Muslims were afraid, they did not know what to do. And so this verse came to raise their morals and encorage them to fight the "attackers". This verse canot be made an excuse to kill any non Muslim. This verse is only speaking about the war between the Muslims and the Non Muslims who attacked the Muslims. Read the rest of my articles. Islam even prohibts that even if you were in the middle of war you are not to kill a women, a child, and or even harm your enemies plants! And even if you are at war you are not to attack your enemy at night because you may wake their women and children up and scare them!

And that what you have said has been said by Khomeini, an Iranian, a Shiite Muslim. Shiites are very extrem, I am and most Muslims are Sunnis. Shiites are considered by many Muslims to be non Muslims.

The Quran also says that killing a soul is worse then killing the entire humanity! And saving a soul is as if you save the entire humanity!
Plus do i need to remind you what happened in the crusades? What did Saladin do to the Christians when he defeated them and returned Jerusalem? He let them go, all of them. He asked that they pay a fee and then they will be able to leave AND for those who did not have the money, he payed for them himself!

i have one question about the muslim faith. I have heard that muslims cannot look at or show a picture of Muhammad. I dont know if it is true, but if it is why is it you cant show his picture but you can show Moses and Jesus if they were your Prophets too?

Well muslim, I guess that why Bahais in Europe are being hung and stoned and murdered just because they choose a different religion. I thought you said people should have their religion how much ever absurd it may be. Maybe Islam has become corrupt:

THE DRAGON

In both the Book of Revelation and the book of Daniel we find a description of the dragon that is being referred to. Daniel describes this dragon as a beast in chapter 7, verse 7:

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrible and dreadful and exceeding strong; and it had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns." Daniel 7:7 RSV

In the 12th chapter of Revelation, verse 3, John describes the same dragon:

"And another portent [sign] appeared in heaven; behold a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads." Revelation 12:3 RSV

Both John and Daniel see this dragon as having ten horns. John explains further that it has seven heads. This dragon started with the Bani-Umayyad which was the dynasty that took over and corrupted Islam after the death of Muhammad.

The seven heads of this dragon were the seven countries or dominions that the Bani-Umayyad had power over. These were: Persia, the dominion of Turkestan and Trans-ox-ania, the Middle East, Arabia, Egypt, North Africa, and Spain. John says that the seven heads have diadems upon them. A diadem is a crown so this refers to the kings or rulers of these countries or dominions.

The ten horns are symbolic of the ten Bani-Umayyad rulers beginning with Abu Sufian and ending with Marwan that ruled over these seven countries. It was these ten Ummayad rulers who ascended from the bottomless pit [bottomless pit being the pit of error] to corrupt and destroy the Revelation that Muhammad had brought to the world. Thus fulfilling yet another prophecy which is found in the 11th chapter, verse 7 of the Book of Revelation as:

"...the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit [which] shall make war upon them and conquer them and kill them," Revelation 11:7 RSV

The history of this corruption began in 616 A.D. when Abu Sufian, who was Muhammad's and Islam's chief persecutor, became the Emir of Mecca - chief of the Korish tribe and of the Clan of Umayyad.

The city of Mecca, even before Muhammad, had been a place of pilgrimage due to the fact that in this city was the Kaaba, a very ancient sanctuary, to which great numbers of people came to worship. The Meccans profited greatly from these visitors.

Many of these visitors came to know of Muhammad's Message. As Muhammad's Teachings spread and grew in strength the leaders of Mecca became concerned. The Teachings of Muhammad opposed idol worship and the idea of three Gods in one God and as the people converted to Muhammad's Teachings this greatly affected the pockets of the Meccans.

In the summer of the year 622 Muhammad was forced to flee Mecca and go to Medina. This of course was the year of the Hegira which became the first year of the Muslim Calendar.

In Medina there was already a large group of believers in Muhammad. In addition several hundred of Muhammad's followers from Mecca fled with Him. Therefore, in Medina, Muhammad was well received. Muhammad was a great leader and the people became united. Muhammad became the Head of State. His Teachings spread rapidly.

The leaders of Mecca realized that with Medina being on the main caravan route to Syria it was not in their best interest to have Muhammad in such a position. Abu Sufian pursued Muhammad and made war on Him. Finally, in 628 Muhammad led 10,000 followers into Mecca, capturing the city and destroying the idols. Mecca then became the center of Islam. In 630 AD Abu Sufian was obliged to become Muslim. From that time on, however, Abu Sufian plotted to take over Islam.

The Bani Umayyed also knew of the prophecies for One Who was prophesied to Appear, after Muhammad, Who would be of the lineage of Muhammad. [The Bab] They also knew that when this Person came, the Law of God would be renewed and re-established and that their reign would come to an end. Therefore, they intended to kill any of Muhammad's descendants who might be the fulfillment of that Promised One.

This was the plot of Abu Sufian which was finally accomplished when his son, Mu'awia, killed Ali, who was Muhammad's son-in-law and His chosen successor. Mu'awia then set himself up as Caliph in place of Ali in 661 AD.

The year, 616, when Abu Sufian became the Emir of Mecca, is very important. It is yet another way for us to recognize this beast that both Daniel and John have described as a dragon.

Number of the Beast

In Revelation, chapter 13, verse 18, John tells us that this beast has a number:

"This calls for wisdom; let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, [dragon] for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six." Revelation 13:18 RSV

In the RSV of the bible, in the 13th chapter of Revelation, on the page where you would find this verse, you will most likely find a footnote at the bottom of the page which will read "other ancient authorities read 616". The correct number is not 666; but rather 616. This number is the year that this dragon began.

The dragon described is the corrupt Islamic Faith which began with the corruption of the Bani-Ummayad dynasty in the year 616 and still exists in the world today. This Islamic Faith is not the pure Religion of God that was Revealed by Muhammad. It is the corrupt and apostate religion created by the Bani-Ummayed dynasty.

Who then is the beast that is talked about? The beast is also clearly described and prophesied in both the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation.

http://uhj.net/armageddon.htm

Now I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about Islam, because I believe Islam is a great religion. I just think that its followers aren't that great.

Did you know that Heinrich Schliemann discovered the fabled land of Troy by deciphering of the books; "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" ?

In matters of faith and the testaments that support such devotion, it is not unusual to have parables and mythologies represent aspects of the contemporary atmosphere at the time of they were drafted.

So while certain aspects of muslim, (christian, Zoroastrianism, etc...) mythology may include references to territories that did exist or political institutions, etc... that were extant at some point in history, does not mean that every story contained in the koran, (bible, etc...) is fundamentally true because the background to the myth was really a factor in real peoples lives.

Incorporating fable and parts of a subjective reference to the reader is what helps to communicate the import of the philosophy religion seeks upon peoples sense of communal morality.
It's not a factual history lesson, it's a vehicle for imparting a moral standard of control over the masses. (We are what we've been programmed to be. We are not our true selves. We were influenced to be who we are today by those of our contemporaries that taught us what it means to "be" here.)

Islam is the religion??!!! (Yes that is how you spell the word, maybe your argument would have had credence if the topic had not had a core word misspelled from the get go, kinda makes you look like a twit right off the bat, Abu)
And yes, don't believe what your leaders have told you, Islam is a bloody religion. How soon was it after Mohammed's "revelation" that the conquest began? Come on, you know the answer.
Not too damn long. While it took Christianity, for comparison's sake, centuries to work up the conquest frenzy.
Quit trying to justify your beliefs with faulty logic. Of course the Koran would have medical knowledge in it. At one time, Arab doctors were the most knowledgeable in the world. Too bad Mohammed's Desert Madness brought and end to that.
There is no one true organized religion and to even suggest such a thing is ridiculous. Put down the, Koran, Quran, Terrorism for Dummies, whatever you call it, and think for yourself. The answer is, and always has been, inside you. Not in the heat-stroke induced babbling of anyone's prophet. Allah's, God's or Jehovah's.
Peace.

demonic presence:
good day, it is not true. Pictures of Moses and Jesus peae be upon them are not allowed in the Islamic Faith. Pictures of all the Messengers are not allowed also. Since the Messengers peace be upon them are highly respected people, we feal we should not try and draw them.

exe11er:
good day, i think u should get your facts straight. go ask any muslim imam if u were in the U.S. Why not if you're so sure?

Never_Hit_Nirvana:
Good day, and to answer your question, the conquest began shortly after the Prophet Mohammed died. Why? Do you know why? The Countries that the Muslims invaded, were faced with three demands. The first, let us enter your country and we'll preach for our relegion, no bloodshed, no violence. Just preeching. If you refuse, you have a second choice. You are to pay us taxes on a normal bases. Why? So that the people who are paying these taxes will ask themselves who are we paying these taxes for? The Muslims? Well, who are the Muslims? What does their relegion say? That way the idea of Islam would have entered that country. If that country refuses to 1) allow the Muslims to enter their land and preech, 2) refuses to pay them the taxes, 3) then they are left with no choice but to go to war. It makes complete sence. You believe that Christianity is the right relegion. Dont you believe you should spread Christianity? well if a country says you will not enter and i will not allow you to spread your ideas in any shape way or form what would you do? Now a days, war is not needed, since we have the internet and so on.
And to proove to you that what im saying is completely correct, at the time of the islamic Khalifa (ruler) Omar ibn Abdulaziz, the army invaded a country without giving it the three statements. (IT ALWAYS ASKED THE PEOPLE TO JUST LET THEM ENTER AND THEY WOULD REFUSE) so the army invaded without doing so. The people of that country, were outraged. They have herd about the Muslims and that the muslims before invading a country would ask them kindely to enter with no war, so why have they not asked them? So the people of that country sent to the Muslim ruler Omar ibn Abdulaziz and told him what had happened. he IMMEDIATELY put the General in charge of the Muslim armys to trial and found him GUILTY and ordered ALL THE MUSLIMS TO LEAVE THAT COUNTRY IMMEDIATELY! After they left, the new general, sent for that country, and asked them to be allowed to preech, and they were and that was the end of it

1) Actually, the fighting started before Mohammed died, infighting among M's native people. Mecca, Medina these names ringing a bell?
2) Nations are perfectly within their rights to deny entrance to any one, especially religious zealots. And don't you mean tribute instead of taxes? Refusing to open your borders, and then refusing to pay tribute results in war being declared? That's about as just as a mugging.
Islam is a religion bent on world domination under the guise of "conversion". Just like Christianity. The Jews get points for not proselytizing, but basically all three are nuts.

The fighting in Mecca and Madina started because the Non Muslims broke the peace treaties
You have your opinion, I have my mine. Thanks for calling all the Muslims, Jews and Christians nuts. Are all these people nuts? Hundreds of millions are nuts and only you who whatever your relegion is that is if you have one are not?

People Listen to what the Qur'an says in this verse, if the Muslims were supposed to kill al non Muslims, how come this verse says the following?

[62] Those who believe (in the Qur-an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

People if you want to quote the Qur'an please PUT THE COMPLETE VERSES! Dont give me half a vers and say "oh here it says kill them"! and in Islam we have something called "tafseer" its the "meaning of the qur'an" and it says the complete story of why every single verse came, then you would understand it completely.

The Quran on the Cerebrum:
God has said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad from praying at the Kaaba:


(No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)! (Quran, 96:15-16)

Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful? Why didn’t the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful? What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness?

If we look into the skull at the front of the head, we will find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum (see figure 12). What does physiology tell us about the function of this area? A book entitled Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology says about this area, “The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex...”1 Also the book says, “In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression....”2

image: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-d-img1.jpg

Figure 12: Functional regions of the left hemisphere of the cerebral cortex. The prefrontal area is located at the front of the cerebral cortex. (Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology, Seeley and others, p. 210.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “...A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.3

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The Quran on Seas and Rivers:

Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.1 For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundred kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1000 meters with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics. The Mediterranean water stabilizes at this depth2 (see figure 13).

FIgure 13: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e-img1.jpg

Figure 13: The Mediterranean sea water as it enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics, because of the barrier that distinguishes between them. Temperatures are in degrees Celsius (C°). (Marine Geology, Kuenen, p. 43, with a slight enhancement.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier.

The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said:

He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. (Quran, 55:19-20)

But when the Quran speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition” with the barrier. God has said in the Quran:

He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53)

One may ask, why did the Quran mention the partition when speaking about the divider between fresh and salt water, but did not mention it when speaking about the divider between the two seas?

Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from what is found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers.” This partition (zone of separation) has a different salinity from the fresh water and from the salt water (see figure 14).

figure 14: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e-img2.jpg

Figure 14: Longitudinal section showing salinity (parts per thousand ‰) in an estuary. We can see here the partition (zone of separation) between the fresh and the salt water. (Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, p. 301, with a slight enhancement.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc. The human eye cannot see the difference between the two seas that meet, rather the two seas appear to us as one homogeneous sea. Likewise, the human eye cannot see the division of water in estuaries into the three kinds: fresh water, salt water, and the partition (zone of separation).

How can I express this monosyllabically enough for you to understand it???
To think that a set bunch of rules, who ever it comes from, can save your soul, is nuts! Abe, Josh and Moe got the heat stroke. God has always been inside you.
And I am guessing that verse says that because Islam is a self-contradictory and confused as any other organized religion.
And of course it was because the non-Muslims broke the treaties. Just admit it. The early Muslims just wanted reasons to fight somebody. Look hard at your three little rules. The Mafia plays that same sort of game with people.

lol i respect your opinion .. but thats why almost ALL the countries that the muslims occupied converted to Islam? Ask yourself why? Because of the way the Muslims treated them, it was totally respectufull. 100 years ago their was no internet and mobile phones, the only way to deliver a delicate message such as a relegion would have to be by going yourself to that place. How would you do so if you are not allowed in? .. Obviusly we wont go anywhere with this discussion so..

F) The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves:
God has said in the Quran:


Or (the unbelievers’ state) is like the darkness in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darknesses, one above another. If a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it.... (Quran, 24:40)

This verse mentions the darkness found in deep seas and oceans, where if a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it. The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 meters and below. At this depth, there is almost no light (see figure 15). Below a depth of 1000 meters there is no light at all.1 Human beings are not able to dive more than forty meters without the aid of submarines or special equipment. Human beings cannot survive unaided in the deep dark part of the oceans, such as at a depth of 200 meters.
Figure 15: Between 3 and 30 percent of the sunlight is reflected at the sea surface. Then almost all of the seven colors of the light spectrum are absorbed one after another in the first 200 meters, except the blue light. (Oceans, Elder and Pernetta, p. 27.)

Figure 15: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-f-img1.jpg

Scientists have recently discovered this darkness by means of special equipment and submarines that have enabled them to dive into the depths of the oceans.

We can also understand from the following sentences in the previous verse, “...in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds....”, that the deep waters of seas and oceans are covered by waves, and above these waves are other waves. It is clear that the second set of waves are the surface waves that we see, because the verse mentions that above the second waves there are clouds. But what about the first waves? Scientists have recently discovered that there are internal waves which “occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities.” (see figure 16).

figure 16: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-f-img2.jpg

Figure 16: Internal waves at interface between two layers of water of different densities. One is dense (the lower one), the other one is less dense (the upper one). (Oceanography, Gross, p. 204.)


The internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because the deep waters have a higher density than the waters above them. Internal waves act like surface waves. They can also break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be seen by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location.

Scientists on Islam:

Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:

“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad in some of his books. He has also presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences.

2) Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad :

{In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...}2

{If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....}3

He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad . Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:

“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad ) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days. Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . . . . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

3) Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:

“Summary: The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”4 (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

4) Dr. William W. Hay is a well-known marine scientist. He is Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA. He was formerly the Dean of the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami, Miami, Florida, USA. After a discussion with Professor Hay about the Quran’s mention of recently discovered facts on seas, he said:

“I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.” And when he was asked about the source of the Quran, he replied: “Well, I would think it must be the divine being.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment
)

5) Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:

“In a relatively few aayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

6) Dr. Yoshihide Kozai is Professor Emeritus at Tokyo University, Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and was the Director of the National Astronomical Observatory, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. He said:

“I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in [the] Quran, and for us the modern astronomers have been studying very small pieces of the universe. We’ve concentrated our efforts for understanding of [a] very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts [of] the sky without thinking [about the] whole universe. So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

7) Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

“During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference . . . . I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.” (View the RealPlayer video of this comment )

After all these examples we have seen about the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran and all these scientists’ comments on this, let us ask ourselves these questions:

n Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?

Could this Quran have been authored by Muhammad or by any other human being?

The only possible answer is that this Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.

They converted because they were afraid of being raped, pillaged and murdered by howling zealots.

stealing and rapping are against Islam. Ask any history professor on how the Muslims treated the ppl they occupied if u dont believe me. ive givven you SCIENTIFIC PROOFS and your hearts as stubborn as a rock.

i think he just has a thing against muslims because of what happened at 9/11. A lot of people in the USA are being really racist against Muslims and Arabs now.

Unfortuantly I think you are correct demonic. Which is sad because I think everyone on the planet stands to learn something from those that are different from us. Even if we dont think we do. That too will pass I think. Americans hated the British for a long long time, but now most of the US lurrrrrves us

yeah i think the main reason is because George W. Bush is the most retarded president we have ever had so he started the war on Iraq and now hes making everyone in America hate Muslims/Arabs. I think a few years after he is out of office, like maybe 5-10 years people wont hate them anymore. And the reason America hated the British is because of when we were ruled by you guys. but that passed over so i think this will too

yeah i think so too. However, as i said, sep 11 has nothing to do with Islam it is completely unexptable to kill an innocent soul! As a matter of fact there were Muslims in the trade center! Plus the prophet MOhammed peace be upon him and all prophets has said that even if you go to war do not invade at night! When asked why? He replied, there might be women and children sleeping and we dont want to wake them up you might scare them! And he also said that even if you are at war do not kill the women, do not kill the elderly, do not kill the citizens and do even harm there plants!
plus we all must agree that sep 11 is a great mystery. http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

could you find a verse in the Quran or any other book that states this information?

Pretty interesting information you have posted BTW

How nice of all of you to speak of a me as a racist without basis for it.
My dislike for Islam comes from before 9-11; it began with my study of history. My argument is not with "muslim" as a person. My argument is with his idea that Islam is the true religion. It is no more valid than any other organized religion. Especially not the Abramic religions.
The Jews conquered raped and pillaged Canaan.
The Christians did it to any and everyone.
Muslims did it to their own and then to their neighbors and then pretty much wherever caught their fancy.
All three acted in the name of their beliefs. The Jews in their belief that God had promised them a homeland. The Christians in their belief that only they were right and the scriptures backed them; the Muslims in their belief that the entire earth should be converted, by words or by force (and yes, I have read the Koran, and yes, it reads like something Uncle Charlie would have spit out in the California desert in the late 60s. It was like looking inside the mind of a madman, even more so than the Bible, but I digress).
And I repeat, your proofs of medical knowledge are invalid because doctors in that part of the world were brilliant from time immemorial right up until the end of the Middle Ages or so (for example, the ancient Egyptians knew the function of all major internal organs, except the brain, more than a thousand years before Mo got sunstroke). The verses are better looked at as evidence of cultural influences on the mind of M. when he was making the Koran up.
Dislike for a religion is not racism, or any kind of sin, when there are plain logical reasons behind it.

That is true

AKUMA166:

The Qur’an made it a charity to feed the prisoners saying:


“Lo! the righteous shall drink of a cup whereof the mixture is of water of Kafur. A spring wherefrom the slaves of Allah drink, making it gush forth abundantly. Because they perform the vow and fear a day whereof the evil is wide spreading. And feed with food the needy wretch, the orphan and the prisoner, for love of Him. (Saying): We feed you, for the sake of Allah only. We wish for no reward nor thanks from you.” (Al-Insan: 5-9)


The Prophet instructed his Companions to be good to the captives. In one of his traditions, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, ordered his Companions saying: “ You should be good to the captives.”


Abu Aziz-ibn Umair, one of the captives of Badr battle, recalls:


“Whenever I sat with my captors for lunch or dinner, they would offer me the bread and themselves the dates, in view of the Prophet's recommendation in our favor (in that desert situation bread was the more luxurious item of food than dates)


As soon as any of them held a piece of bread, he would offer it to me. "Feeling shy, I would give it back to one of them but he would immediately return it to me."


Another, Thumama ibn-Athal, was taken prisoner and brought to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, who said: “Be good to him in his captivity.” When the Prophet went home he instructed to collect whatever food there, and ordered it sent to the prisoner.


When the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurayzah were captured, loads of dates were regularly carried to them, with the Prophet's instructions to shelter them from the summer sun and to provide them with water to drink.


From the legal point of view, Muslim opinion is unanimous on the prohibition of subjecting the captives to ill treatment by withholding food, drink or clothing.

-The Fate of War Prisoners:
This was based upon the teaching of the Qur’an:


“Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.” (Muhammad: 4)


please check this site for yourself http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/war/islam.shtml

the prophet has said:

"Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path.

"You must not mutilate dead bodies.

"Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man.

"Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.

"Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food.

"You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"

Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:

"Allaah does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. Allaah loves just dealers." (Quran, 60:8)

The Qur’aan states: “Anyone who has killed another except in retaliation, it is as if he has killed the whole of humankind.” (32:5)

“Fight in the cause of Allaah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress the limits. Indeed Allaah does not love transgressors.” (2:190).
Muslims are also enjoined to fight against tyranny. The Qur’aan states, “Why shouldn’t you fight in the cause of Allaah and for those oppressed because they are weak. Men, women and children who cry out, ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town of oppressors’” (4:75)

"Truly Alaah commands you to give back trusts to those to whom they are due, and when you judge between people, to judge with justice.... (Quran, 4:58)

And He has said:

"...And act justly. Truly, Alaah loves those who are just." (Quran, 49:9)

We should even be just with those who we hate, as God has said:

"...And let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety...." (Quran, 5:8)

Allah’s Messenger was the kindest of men just as he excelled all others in courage and valor. He was so kindhearted that his eyes brimmed with tears at the slightest sign of inhumanity. Ibn `Abbas related that a man once threw a goat on its side and then started sharpening his knife. When the Prophet saw him he said, “Do you want to kill it twice? Why didn’t you sharpen the knife before throwing it on the ground?”

The Prophet forbade his Companions to keep the dumb creatures hungry or thirsty, or to disturb or overburden them. He commended kindness to animals and putting them at ease as meritorious acts tending to bring man nearer to Allah. Abu Hurayrah reported the Prophet as saying, “A traveler who was thirsty saw a well on the way. He got inside the well and when he came out he saw a dog licking mud because of thirst. The man thought to himself that the dog should be as thirsty as he was and so he got into the well again, filled his leather sock with water and carried it out holding it with his teeth. And thus he quenched the dog’s thirst. Allah was pleased with this act of kindness and pardoned his sins.” The Companions asked, “O Messenger of Allah, is there recompense in the matter of beasts and wild animals also?” The Prophet replied “There is recompense in regard to every creature that has a living heart.”

Abu Hurayrah quoted the Prophet as saying, “When you travel in a fertile country do not deny the camels their due from the ground, and when you travel in a land barren and dry, cover it with speed. When you encamp at night keep away from the roads, for they are where the beasts pass and are the resorts of the insects at night.” Ibn Mas`ud reported, “While we were on a journey with Allah’s Messenger, he went a short distance from where we had encamped. There we saw a small bird with two of its chicks and caught them. The bird was fluttering when the Prophet came back and so he asked, ‘Who has distressed it by taking its chicks?’ Then he asked us to return the chicks. There we also saw an anthill and burned it out. When the Prophet saw he asked, ‘Who has burned it?’ When we informed him that we had done it, he said, ‘Only the Lord of fire has the right to punish with fire.’”

The Prophet strongly enjoined kindness towards and generous treatment of the slaves, servants and labor engaged for manual work. Jabir related the Prophet of Allah as saying, “Feed them with the food that you eat, clothe them with such clothing as you wear and do not cause trouble to Allah’s creatures.” The Prophet is further stated to have said, “Those whom Allah has made your dependents are your brothers, servants and helpmates. Anybody whose brother has been made subservient to him ought to feed him with the food he eats and clothe him with the clothes he wears. Command him not to do that which he is unable to do and if it becomes necessary to do so, then he should help him in doing the job.”

The Prophet was always concerned about everyone’s thought and feeling. The following hadith narrated by Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) proves his thoughtful character:

The Prophet said, “(It happens that) I start the prayer intending to prolong it, but on hearing the cries of a child, I shorten the prayer because I know that the cries of the child will incite its mother’s passions.” (Al-Bukhari)

The Prophet was always patient and considerate with children and took great pain not to hurt their tender feelings.

Narrated Abu Qatadah: “The Messenger of Allah came towards us while carrying Umamah the daughter of Abi Al-`As (Prophet’s granddaughter) over his shoulder. He prayed, and when he wanted to bow, he put her down, and when he stood up he lifted her up.” (Al-Bukhari)

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) has forbidden Muslims in unequivocal terms: "Do not mutilate even a wild dog (the dog that bites people without being provoked).".


http://www.islamonline.net/English/introdu...article06.shtml


The Prophet Muhammad said: {People, beware of injustice, for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment.}

And those who have not gotten their rights (i.e. what they have a just claim to) in this life will receive them on the Day of Judgment, as the Prophet said: {On the Day of Judgment, rights will be given to those to whom they are due (and wrongs will be redressed)...}

The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children, and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.} And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}

Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.

He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.}

Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}

He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9

Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.

for more info: http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Dept...ind/index.shtml

Religion of peace? Pahleeeez...
Submitted by paz on 22 January, 2005 - 00:35.

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I am writing this in reference to Payman A.'s "Don't Blame Islam." As a 30-year-old who has actually lived in both countries and keeps up with world issues daily for quite some time and seen the effects of the "religion of peace" first hand, I can say without hesitation that we should in fact blame Islam for most of the problems not only in the Middle East but in the world right now.

Not that Christianity, Judaism, Bahaism, and every other religion is any better mind you, but at least I don't see any of them claim to be the religion of peace and then fly planes into buildings on sunny Tuesday mornings in September. I also don't see any of the other religions cut off innocent people's heads in cold blood while chanting the equivalent of "Allah o Akbar"...

Religion of peace? Pahleeeez...
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The Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists. This proves without doubt that the Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him to the Prophet Muhammad , and that the Quran was not authored by Muhammad or by any other human being. This also proves that Muhammad is truly a prophet sent by God. It is beyond reason that anyone fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated scientific methods. Some examples follow.

A) The Quran on Human Embryonic Development:
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:


" We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... " (Quran, 23:12-14)

Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity bet
ween the two2 as we can see in figure 1. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.

figure1: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img1.jpg

The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” This is what we can see in figures 2 and 3, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.

Figure 2: We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus) of the mother. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 66.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

figure 2: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img2.jpg


Figure 3: In this photomicrograph, we can see the suspension of an embryo (marked during the alaqah stage (about 15 days old) in the womb of the mother. The actual size of the embryo is about 0.6 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore, 3rd ed., p. 66, from Histology, Leeson and Leeson.)

figure 3: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img3.jpg

The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage4 (see figure 4). Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

Figure 4: Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage. The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo. (The Developing Human, Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.”6 (see figures 5 and 6).

Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old). The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance. The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.)

figure 5: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img5.jpg

Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.

figure 6: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a-img6.jpg


How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7

Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore8 is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”9 (To view the RealPlayer video of this comment click here ).

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”10

During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “....Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.”
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D) The Quran on the Cerebrum:
God has said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad from praying at the Kaaba:


No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)! (Quran, 96:15-16)

Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful? Why didn’t the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful? What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness?

If we look into the skull at the front of the head, we will find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum (see figure 12). What does physiology tell us about the function of this area? A book entitled Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology says about this area, “The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex...”1 Also the book says, “In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression....”2



Figure 12: Functional regions of the left hemisphere of the cerebral cortex. The prefrontal area is located at the front of the cerebral cortex. (Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology, Seeley and others, p. 210.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

figure 12: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-d-img1.jpg


So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “...A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.3


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The Quran on the Cerebrum:
God has said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad from praying at the Kaaba:


(No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)! (Quran, 96:15-16)

Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful? Why didn’t the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful? What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness?

If we look into the skull at the front of the head, we will find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum (see figure 12). What does physiology tell us about the function of this area? A book entitled Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology says about this area, “The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex...”1 Also the book says, “In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression....”2

image: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-d-img1.jpg

Figure 12: Functional regions of the left hemisphere of the cerebral cortex. The prefrontal area is located at the front of the cerebral cortex. (Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology, Seeley and others, p. 210.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “...A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.3

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The Quran on Seas and Rivers:

Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.1 For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundred kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1000 meters with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics. The Mediterranean water stabilizes at this depth2 (see figure 13).

FIgure 13: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e-img1.jpg

Figure 13: The Mediterranean sea water as it enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics, because of the barrier that distinguishes between them. Temperatures are in degrees Celsius (C°). (Marine Geology, Kuenen, p. 43, with a slight enhancement.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier.

The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said:

He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. (Quran, 55:19-20)

But when the Quran speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition” with the barrier. God has said in the Quran:

He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53)

One may ask, why did the Quran mention the partition when speaking about the divider between fresh and salt water, but did not mention it when speaking about the divider between the two seas?

Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from what is found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers.” This partition (zone of separation) has a different salinity from the fresh water and from the salt water (see figure 14).

figure 14: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e-img2.jpg

Figure 14: Longitudinal section showing salinity (parts per thousand ‰) in an estuary. We can see here the partition (zone of separation) between the fresh and the salt water. (Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, p. 301, with a slight enhancement.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)


This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc. The human eye cannot see the difference between the two seas that meet, rather the two seas appear to us as one homogeneous sea. Likewise, the human eye cannot see the division of water in estuaries into the three kinds: fresh water, salt water, and the partition (zone of separation).

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F) The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves:
God has said in the Quran:


Or (the unbelievers’ state) is like the darkness in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darknesses, one above another. If a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it.... (Quran, 24:40)

This verse mentions the darkness found in deep seas and oceans, where if a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it. The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 meters and below. At this depth, there is almost no light (see figure 15). Below a depth of 1000 meters there is no light at all.1 Human beings are not able to dive more than forty meters without the aid of submarines or special equipment. Human beings cannot survive unaided in the deep dark part of the oceans, such as at a depth of 200 meters.
Figure 15: Between 3 and 30 percent of the sunlight is reflected at the sea surface. Then almost all of the seven colors of the light spectrum are absorbed one after another in the first 200 meters, except the blue light. (Oceans, Elder and Pernetta, p. 27.)

Figure 15: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-f-img1.jpg

Scientists have recently discovered this darkness by means of special equipment and submarines that have enabled them to dive into the depths of the oceans.

We can also understand from the following sentences in the previous verse, “...in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds....”, that the deep waters of seas and oceans are covered by waves, and above these waves are other waves. It is clear that the second set of waves are the surface waves that we see, because the verse mentions that above the second waves there are clouds. But what about the first waves? Scientists have recently discovered that there are internal waves which “occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities.” (see figure 16).

figure 16: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-f-img2.jpg

Figure 16: Internal waves at interface between two layers of water of different densities. One is dense (the lower one), the other one is less dense (the upper one). (Oceanography, Gross, p. 204.)


The internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because the deep waters have a higher density than the waters above them. Internal waves act like surface waves. They can also break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be seen by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location.

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WHAT DO THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN?

- THEIR IS NO GOD BUT GOD HIMSELF.
- HE SENT JESUS AND MOSES AND THE REST OF THE PROPHETS (YOU MUST BELIEVE IN ALL THE PROPHETS TO BECOME A MUSLIM INCLUDING JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM)
- GOD IS ONE, HE HAS NOT TAKEN A SON AND OR A WIFE.
- YOU MUST, IN ORDER TO BECOME A MUSLIM BELIEVE IN THE ANGELS (THE SAME AS CHRISTIANITY)
.. look forward for my next topic, proof from the HOLLY BIBLE that Mohammed is the messenger of God. (btw Muslims dont worship Mohammed, hes just a messenger from God just like Moses and Jesus peace be upon them and so on).

u want to know who represent Islam? read the story of Mohammed, he represents Islam. Go out to the nearest library and or ask any muslim near yyou to give you books about him and read his life story then run ur mouth about muslims.

I'm sorry to inform you Muslim but the rest of the world has been observing how Christianity is full of lies and half truths. We are beginning to become aware that religions are not important. Belief in God is fine but it is more important how you treat your fellow human being. And one thing everyone has a right to do is to believe or NOT believe in a religion.

You see non muslim (westerners) as just not understanding your religion. But we are way beyond that. We not only understand your religion clearly but we realize how all religions are products of man and they all have the same goal. That is to gain followers and power.

A person needs no religion to love God and be good to others. They just need good parents to teach them how.

Also women have just as much a right to do anything as men and any religion that forbids them their freedom is corrupt.

Rodnt, i couldnt agree more with you. thats why islam gave these rights.

I have a question for muslim...

Why did those terrorists turn agaaisnt the koran...why did they claim that their fith was responcible for the killings? when in reality it is against the koran to kill

Quote taken from closed thread: Important Study on The Bible, Christians, please read this, please
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A fine philosophy to apply to any texts that purport to communicate to believers how they need to believe in the invisible inspiration that makes them a seeker.


The Quaran scriptures claim it is the perfect word of god, preserved.





A Partial List of Problems and Contradictions in the Quran *Host site
( "In 1997 Reformed Internet Ministries was begun after growing out of campus outreach to Muslims by a group of Christian students taking Islamic studies courses at a Canadian university." )


Are all the copies of the holy qua'ran the same? (link)


I think the proof that "god" is man made stands in evidence in it's own scripture's wherein a creator of all things is described as possessed of the human sins that are vengeance, greed and murder. Because what the institution that claims to represent a god is, is an enterprise of acquisition. Both flesh, property and soul. And of all those things that the faith commands, it is the flesh that serves.

And so, it is a matter of logic in reviewing any faith who's scripture proclaims the creator of all things:

1.) needs humans to invade, murder and assimilate into the faith, the word of one god, when that creator that created all things is, in truth if it were god, incapable of becoming jealous or vengeful toward it's creation for worshiping the creator of all things in their own way, as those created by god.

2.) Is possessed of human emotions.


It's a horrible illogical picture to paint of what we are suppose to believe is an invisible creator, that said creator is actually no better than we are.
However, enslaving the body by instilling fear for the soul, is a wonderful way to increase material wealth and personal power! Case in point, every institution of religion in the history of the practice.

Further, I disagree that this and the many other threads in these forums posted by Muslim, are not meant to convert members. As said in one of those many, every god commands their word to be spread among the masses. And while Muslim can not mount a horse and gallop through the lands of UM and demand allegiance to the word of Allah, they can and do copy & paste and preach and admit, their faith like unto christians, expects it of them.
Which is the absurdity in proselytizing any institution of religion in that it in itself is proof it is man that commands the campaign for personal gain. Not god. God, the creator of all things would not need fallible man to behave like a barbarian to communicate the message of a superior being. Because a superior being wouldn't need to murder people to show people it is god! But man , murdering in the name of god, holds the power of life and death in their hands in that process and that makes them as god! While exampling their faith in a blood thirsty, greedy, vicious savage in the heavens that is obsessed with acquisition because god is a materialist!

No, that's not god. That's man that proclaims they speak for god. And what a savage bloody testament across all religions, that is. We have but to look to the Middle East to witness some people's idea of that invisible Allah, that commands suicide of men, women and children, for "his" sake! (No, that's not really god either. But you'd never know it by some of the believers that say it is as such. Once again exampling god is made in mans savage image. Convenient enough that man then takes it upon itself to be gods bloody savage messenger as well.)


And just an aside, given all the Muslim topic threads that are closed in these forums because they were not posted to engender converstion.

When does opinion become preaching?, Taking a stance for your belief!

So I do not need a religion to love my God, right?

Have you looked into Near Death Experiences? The people that have died and asked entities in the afterlife about religion are told that religion does not matter.
They are told, God does not care about a persons religion. God cares about what is in your heart. God is love, as you will agree, so love should be in your heart. Love cannot murder, repress, dominate, judge or proclaim to be separate from others.

So put Muhammed to rest and give your love to all openly.

If I may, I think I can answer that. It is because 9-11 is a inside Job. The government planned and executed it all. Regardless of who actually flew it into the buildings.. it was an inside job! check out this documentary called loose change when you have the time. Very enlightening.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...;q=Loose+Change

BUSH DID IT! Bin Laden was a CIA tactician!



I agree that religion doesn't matter..It is what is in your heart... how you live your life, and your care for humans of all kind n etc

I did watch a few documentaries on that...and heard it was an inside job...then I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 it more or less said the same things....

Soooooo, another country is given three choices:

Allow an invading army into the country

OR,

pay Ransom for NOT allowing an ARMY to enter,

OR,

Die by the sword and the survivors will be forced to become muslim anyway.

Your three "choices" don't sound very much like choices to me.

What is the driving imperitive to FORCE your beliefs down anothers throat at the point of a sword? Is your religion that unstable that it must visciously destroy those who believe differently? Is your god that insecure that people must be forcibly made to believe or die?


As to the portion of your quote in red, do you have any dates, names of the countries, anything to back up your story?

Islam + Human Rights = Oxymoron

Is Islam Compatible with Human Rights?
http://www.knowislam.info/humanrights

As for 9-11 ... muslim stated that the U.S. government was responsible for this tragedy. And this from a person who claims to have found religion, not through emotion, but through reasoning and understanding--logic.

Logic must have a different definition in the Islamic world.

And what of those seventy-two virgins, muslim? Do you, through reasoning and understanding, actually believe you will receive seventy-two virgins in heaven, that you can deflower an infinite number of times, as a reward for being a good Muslim? Do you honestly believe that the god of the universe is nothing more than the caretaker of a brothel? Does this seem even remotely logical to you? Or does this sound more like the emotions of one very human Mohammed--a man who took a six-year-old child for a wife?

Sean

Something that I have never understood, muslim. What do muslim women get when they go to heaven. It should be at least as good as all those virgins to deflower over and over. Does Allah give them a Macy charge card with unlimited credit?

Always wondered about that myself, Mako. Well, muslim?

Maybe they get to turn the tables and savagely beat the Muslim men for every little infraction?

Poetic Justic!

Interesting that this dramatic discovery didn't make the headlines ...

Science and Quran

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

* More Islamic Pseudo-Science THHuxley 2005/09/26
* The Big Bang in the Qur'an 2005/02/21
* 7 Layers of Heaven Ali Sina 2004/07/12
* Super-Scientific Religious Scriptures! Oct 21 2003 Avijit Roy
* Is Islam Scientific? By Shafiya April 2002
* Does Quran have any Scientific miracles ? By Avijit Roay
* Western Scientists Discovered the $cience in Quran Abul Kasem
* Religion vs. Modern Science Avijit Roy
* Genesis According to Muhammad Ali Sina
* Embryology of Quran A.E.
* Shooting Stars, Allah's Missiles to Scare the Jins? Ali Sina
* Science in the Quran
*Scientific Errors of the Qur'an

SOURCE
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles.htm#science

Sean

You are all fools. Jesus is the Christ and is the way, the truth and the life. No man may get to the Father, the one true God, except through HIM!

Muslim, I want you to really think about this. When we die and leave our physical body, do you honestly think we will have a need for procreation?(sex). Why do the muslim extremist think they have can have sex with 72 virgins in heaven? Sin in Allah's presence and in his own kingdom??? Its a contradiction.

Anyway, at the rate they're going he ran out of virgins a long time ago.


Your campaign of disimformation is in vain. You cannot use our freedoms against us, it is our strength not our weakness. The name of the documentary loose change should be changed to loose screw. And it didnt answer beckysmom's question.

Wow. Thanks for the compliments. Fanatic comes to mind.