has any one every watched the show unsolved mysteries, did anyone see the segment about he really inteligent chimp named oliver it freaked me out, some people think its a really inteligent monkey but some peolpe think its morethey noticed that the chimp spent more than 9 years in a cage and when i came out it was walking like a human which is weird and it did not have any facial hair and the facial formation. they did cromisome tests and they noticed it had 1 cromisome less of a human but one cromisome more than chimp, there have been various theries on what it is some people think its a missing link,or a baby bigfoot , others say its undiscovered species of evloved primape or maybe its a cross between a primative human and a breed of inteligent primates, whatever it is it freaked me out.

Wow! That's cool! Anymore info or related links?

that is interesting.

Here's a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_the_humanzee

Thank you! That was helpful! And nice avatar by the way Brian! I Love it! HaHa

I saw a TV show on this and i think it could be a human-chimp hybrid

He could just be a freak of nature...

Oliver has 48 chromosomes, as a chimpanzee should have. Homo Sapiens Sapiens have 46.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin.../28165/ABSTRACT

He's just a chimp. According to the mtDNA tests, he belongs to the species Pan troglodytes troglodyte.

He doesn't even look that peculiar for his species.

http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site...roglodytes.html

Freak of nature...A chimp indeed.

Nice avatar.

Just to clarify, my avatar is not to be construed as a personal offense to anyone.
I just happen to like it

I guess I'm a skeptic at heart, doesn't me I'm closed-minded though.



"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan R.I.P. 1996

I wholly agree

I agree as well, Oliver seems to be a slightly odd looking chimpanzee, who seems to have been the target of rumor-mongering and "scientists" who'd rather have support for their theories than verify their facts. A freak of nature for certain.

Freak of nature? Dear lord no. Just a very smart individual, able to pick up and mimic other animal's behaviours. Just as you get humans with different intellegence levels, you're bound to get other animals with similar attributes.




I understand what you mean. Skeptics tend to seek answers in the mundane but with the acceptance that they might lie in the fantastic. I'm like that. I'll tend to go for a more scientific explaination (in the hope of the fantastical??). Closed-minded is just the inability to acknowledge anyone else's opinion, or any theory that may be a little "off the wall" as it were.

Hmmm.... not heard from Creeper in a while...

Oh, by the way redhen, nice avatar! I may have to swipe it at some point.

I love all natural life, but for some reason I can't take to chimpanzees. I think they're ugly, violent animals. Maybe just to close to humans for my taste (yuck!)? Still, that's quite an oddity. Why did they remove his teeth though? That's not very nice!

RKD

Thank god

I saw the documentary about this chimp and I don't think he was the ML...just a chimp that could walk upright. -

Aren't we all freaks of nature RKD?

Bit off subject here drlnqnikki,
below your pic you have a comment,"closed-minded=ignorant"
Ignorant, a. lacking knowledge;untaught.
Ignorant of,not informed of,unaware of.
Thought you might wanna change that one,alot of people misuse this word.
children are often referred to as ignorant,not closed minded...............

No. If we were normal then maybe!

rkd

Define normal

Why, I'm glad you asked Frogfish >inhales deeply<

Normal is the term used to describe something that does not display any distinguishing characteristics that allow them to stand out from a population of individuals (paradox or what!?). Thus, since we're all unique, and do indeed possess characteristics that allow us to stand out from a population we are anything but normal. The common term for this would indeed be freaks of nature, but since we are all accepted as portraying "freakish" differences from the next person then surely not one of us are indeed freaks since the freak-factor should be negated by the fact that we all hold this "freakishness" as a common trait in all of us. In which case, to be normal, with no real defining characteristics, would indeed be the true freak of nautre! Howzat for a brainboggle!?

RKD

I am freakishly boggled in my brain.

can't beat that logic...

Oh, interesting! Hopefully he will stay healthy - thinking about how I imagine the chimpanzee body is not built to walk upright (for a long time / over large distances) so hopefully he won't get problems with his joints, muscles or similar as he ages for straining himself too much...

Well maybe if Oliver was a chain smoker too he'd be more human...

Also, as the Site article above at the link describes, Oliver seems a chimp that's learned to tended to bipedality, a possible sub-species of Chimp.
Wasn't there something a year or two or three ago about those newly-found "lion killer" chimps that live on the ground in Africa--aren't they often seen engaging in bipedality? I remember something about this. It was said that their larger size and habits seem to make them inclined to walk bipedally--the word "defiant" or "arrogant" or something was used at the time.
So, since those are African, it might be he's related to the lion killer chimps? Just a thought?

Not clear exactly how he came about, though I recall reading somewhere that he was once thought a "genetic throwback," having been found as an infant in a human village setting. Howver, the discussion in the article about his having been mistreated or treated very roughly in some circumstance, might argue against this.

Anyway, is he a "lion killer" chimp? Anyone have anything else on Oliver, especially in the latter regard?

I never heard of these "lion-killer" chimps.

They just showed this the other night on Discovery.....he was a not a missing link as the test showed....Just a smart ape.....

Oliver was a chimpanzee who was taught to walk on his hind legs, like a human. His front teeth were removed to make his face flatter and more human-like. As for his attraction to human females, that was an urban myth from his appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show. His owner joked that Oliver had been sold when he showed attraction to his previous (female) owner. So there we have it. Case closed. QED. tea, anyone?

Yeah I saw Oliver too and they tested him, and he turned out to be a chimp who was just smart. I have to admit though, he's smarter than some of the people that work here.

Isn't that sad?

I saw a show on discovery about him once he was just as really smart chimp

oli ver was without a doubt a freak for his species less hair then normal and a flater face then normal and enjoyed the company of femal women over female chimps but alas he was jsut a chimp. there are actualky some theories that humans and chimps can interbreed there was a program set up to attempt it but for some reason or another it was cancled personaly im kinda glad i dont think we need to atempt anything liek that.

[quote name='Roadkill Demon' date='Jun 29 2006, 11:51 PM' post='1250930']
Why, I'm glad you asked Frogfish >inhales deeply<

Normal is the term used to describe something that does not display any distinguishing characteristics that allow them to stand out from a population of individuals (paradox or what!?). Thus, since we're all unique, and do indeed possess characteristics that allow us to stand out from a population we are anything but normal. The common term for this would indeed be freaks of nature, but since we are all accepted as portraying "freakish" differences from the next person then surely not one of us are indeed freaks since the freak-factor should be negated by the fact that we all hold this "freakishness" as a common trait in all of us. In which case, to be normal, with no real defining characteristics, would indeed be the true freak of nautre! Howzat for a brainboggle!?

RKD
[/quoteWOW,NOW THAT WAS AWESOME!!!LOL

There was a thread about them (which I really liked and revived a couple of times) before, and interestingly, the Oliver-comparison also came up... This is it. Sadly, there hasn't been any news on them for some time now.

Not sure if this has been posted before.

[color=#663366]Anthropologist David J. Daegling: "Oliver" is a habitually bipedal ape that has captured the imagination of both laypeople and scientists. He has been touted as a relict australopithecine, a bigfoot, or even the result of a clandestine human-chimp hybridization experiment. After years of lively debate, Oliver's DNA was sampled to settle the issue and perhaps provide us with a breathing version of the missing link. The results are in...and, alas, Oliver is just a standard-issue chimpanzee with a penchant for walking.

SOURCE

oliver click this link and it has a little bit about oliver and something else about a Zana ape-human who was found in russia but i wont spoil it andlet you read it

^ Top link THanks.

Never heard the story of Zana before. Fascinating. I m going to try and find more info on her. Are any photographs available?

Various fathers?? WTF ??? Social butterfly wasn't she.