You all know the standard thought. Humans are good. But, given all we've done, are we in fact a creation of evil and not good?

Well my thoughts are....


1) We are bron evil and taught to be good

2) We are born good and are taught eveil ways

3) Or the best one....We are born blank slates just our basic instincts like animals but then we are taught what is right and what is wrong which then corrupts us from innocence. Maybe just relying on your animal instincts is the only true innocence like when you are first born but we are then taught what is right from wrong which corrupts the mind.

i agree with number 3

lol i thought you would since number 3 is similar to a satanists belief but i'm atheist and i think number 3 seems the best choice also. strange how atheists and satanists tread on a thin line and are almost the same. But yes number 3 seems the best choice since we are born with just basic instincts like animals but are taught and shaped which takes away our innocence.

We come into this world pure, but are corrupted by earthly desires.

so we come into the world pure ay? so when we show anger when we are little babies we have committed sin apparently that means we doomed ourselves already lol.

LOL is that really evil? I'm pretty sure babies don't steal or kill or.....

sure they do, i had a baby steal my car keys once

I believe we are inherently evil, and are taught to be good. Anyone who's ever seen a child throw a tantrum because their mommy wouldn't buy them a chocolate will agree with me. I'm pretty sure the parents never taught them to do that.

It all boils down to selfishness, the desire of the self overriding the desires for others and/or God. It is selfishness that leads to evil. Children are inherently selfish. Humanity is inherently selfish. One could even make the argument that selfishness=evil. Selfishness is, in my opinion, the biggest problem on our planet. If people were to curb their selfish desires and live for others instead of themselves, I do not believe a single person could argue with me when i say the world would be a better place.

Regards, PA

very true, i think that even most wars are fought ove selfeshness, because the leader of some country wants more land, or more money or more power, well that could be considered greed too, but you get the point

I don't believe in good and evil...just perspective and opinion.

When your a kid and do something bad you don't know it was bad until someone else tells you that what you did was wrong. If nobody was there to tell you the difference between good and evil you would develope your own definitions of them.

I think it's something like # 3. If a baby steals your car keys, it is an innocent act of curiousity. I can guarantee there is no malice in it. They are simply searching and exploring the world that they find themselves in and the boundaries which govern it. I don't beleive any true evil is possible until at least the age of 10.

Thats is How I feel also,

Thats how I felt when i was a child, Whats this? society? go to school? shiney cars? big houses? Work for a living? College? Knowledge?

When I was a child I had the feeling of past lives, I feel Ive lived before but I went through a process of "purification" and Then i started this life, and gradually become more and more tainted. I was not born sinning, I was born into sin, and sin was structured into my head, thats what we are and what we do, Monkey see Monkey do. When i was a children I tried so much to be "normal", Now that I am older, I strive to be different. I try not to be a "sheeple" I try to be myself, I try to think for myself, Not think what society has deemed all right, or Ok. Inside of me was put the rules and instructions that I will need for the rest of my life. What is wrong and what is good, I can either read the instructions and obide or Do my own thing (the world thing) and destroy myself. Frank is sitting at his car and he cant decide wether to put oil or molasses in his engine. You as a good neighbor tell him "Look you idiot, dont put molasses in your car, Molassess is bad for cars and oil is good for cars" He says But its a Ford it doesnt matter. you say "Look at the manual it will tell you" So you go inside the car look in the glove department and it says on page 14 "Put oil inside your car, Molassess is bad for your car." Frank says "well who are they to tell me what to do with my car"(body) So frank puts Molassess in his car, and it doesnt work anymore.

The manual is inside of Us its just a matter of reading it. Is Homosexuality right? Drugs? Breaking the law? Murder? stealing? Of course not, its not a matter of "feeling" it just is. Dont say because it "feels" wrong. No, our brain tells us if its wrong or right. we Simply dont always listen to our brain. You wouldnt get a car without a manual, just like you wouldnt get a body without a built in manual.

Society dictates what is good and what is bad. Animals have no problem fighting each other or stealing each others' food, but we as humans have decided that these things are wrong. Why?

I think that evil can be defined by your personal beliefs. While one person may have an open marriage and feel fine with that, to another person the idea of an open marriage is a sin and therefore an evil thing.

Our society has created good and evil. I'm not saying thats a bad thing at all, but what I am saying is that without all the standards placed on us, we would still exist and we would still most likely get on with each other.

Just an idea I find interesting.

I agree its only culture and accepted social etiquette that determines what is Right or wrong.
Neither concept exist out side of a human construct

TWO WORDS: "Tabula Rasa".

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Whoa, hey. I thought this thread was to discuss the nature of humanity, not the nature of right and wrong. Correct me if I am

What was going through my head when I started this thread is if humans are actually the creation of evil and not good, it would explain everything so much better. If humans are the by-product of good however, and we place so much emphasis on it, how did we, as a species, manage to go so far in the other direction?

P.S. I'm not talking about babies

Well you could at least explain what it means >_>

its all down to ones personal belief to be honest...

My belief is..when A child is born it has no sin...when that chiuld reaches a certain age to learn and FULLY understand what sin is and what it all means...then and only then...can a child be capable of sin....I would dare say from the age of approx 12/13ish(deepending how innicont that kid is so its hard to say) onwards...but from the age of 15 onwards too many like to go out, hang out with the wrong kind of people, and commit adult crimes, I believe these teenagers are big enough to commit adult crimes, should be big enough to do the adult time...but hey thats my opinion

I don't know, do you know?



If you're talking about cutting off their privates, I totally agree. But hey, no one is perfect right? Not even you

Blank table.

Hey, I thought I said no children? Well, all right, I said no babies, same thing Close enough.

Maybe I should spell it out. The standard thought is that humans are good, civilisation is good. Those that believe say we're creation of a good god. However, looking around at everything, at history, at what our species has accomplished, there is so much more wrong that right, more bad than good. But humanity places so much emphasis on good, so how did we manage to go so far the other way? Perhaps we are, in fact, the creation of a force of evil, and not a good god? How else explain what has happened, the human (on the whole, not individual humans) urge to do bad, not worry about doing good?

Hopefully everyone will see that what I am talking about is not the nature of individuals when they are born, or the development in this area of new arrivals into this world. Rather I'm talking about our race, our species, civilisation as a whole.