To all the believers out there. All I am asking is if you claim to be able to perform any kind of telekinesis, to please provide proof, with the exception of psiwheels. I feel my request is very reasonable. Thank you all.

James Randi already beat you to that request, and he's offering a million dollars for it too.

u must be american

And yet, even with the million dollar offer, nobody has gotten the money.



What does that have anything to do with it?

you must be human, to judge some one by race.

anyways, who knows if people believe they have power let them believe.

Durnut as far as Randi and his offer that is a joke, if Jesus himself walked into his lab and walked on water (real event), Randi would use common magic to replicate the event and label him a fraud. That is the truth about Randi and any believer who thinks otherwise is fooling his or herself...


What to you would constitute absolute proof??

James Randi's challenge is a sham.

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/con...rbach_Randi.htm

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/ske...x.htm#randprize

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/exa...ce_amazing3.htm

LMFAO! That's SO true!!! It's totally "Let's play a game you can't possibly win!"

ahahah funny links, all i know is if i belived that i posesed some kind of power that will make me 1 mill dollars richer in a minute i wouldnt waste time i be at randi;s door knocking

Dornut states.....


Essentially, my response to you in relation to this query was, that based upon the meta-analysis, the matter of the paranormal was established, as valid, in relation, to it being an aspect of physical reality. But, in terms of what exactly (the physics) it is, we were dealing with; that was not within the purview or context of this study. A reason we cannot all hit, with an accuracy rate equivalent to the study, consistently, is in relation to understanding, in detail, the methodology behind what makes it possible (again the physics).

To be honest Mr. Randi is in deep.........

Any thoughts?

All mr. randi is saying is that it takes practice but so much effect of random, that it may interchange earth and all existing life, witch is tottally a lie, rules dont end, nor double. Life at some point, will change due to understanding what i just said.

You simple make rules of endless chaos, in your mind or choice makes you think this is insane but nothing, Can you scare youself, I choose opposite endless option.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=radionics

this technology might get destroyed soon,

What's wrong with psiwheels?

Psiwheels - They've been debunked.

And Triad, you just spun the thread off on a random tangeant, and have started a lot of spam.
Try not to in the future.

Okay - from now on - no more Randi talk.

Why have they been debunked? Of course, making a psiwheel move can be faked. But so can everything else! I can make a pencil move if I wanted to, or basicly anything small enough to place a magnet in, or anything light enough to be moved by aircurrents.

Then why insist on psi wheels when telekinesis can affect anything? Psi wheels are incredibly sensitive to environmental factors and as such they are not a good medium for this. They are just a confidence booster with those of delusion of grandeur....

I wasn't insisting on anything. I was just asking why he doesn't want them to be used.

Didn't I just explained that?

Yes it can, however, making a piece of paper levitate and spin in the air would be better
That way, it's just as easy for you, and it isn't debunked.

I haven't gotten to using telekinesis yet. I will soon though.

No one ever has in here. Its not like going for a ride on your bike.

I did not bring up Randi first and the person who started the thread mentioned it before me and as far as the rest of the content of my post it is clearly related.....So whatever it is you are talking about try not to do that in the future......
Any thoughts?

I use telekinesis. I promise, when I can make something levitate quickly (my camera only takes 30 second videos) I'll record it and post it on here.

And it's not like riding your bike. It's safer! I've never gotten a bloody wound from telekinesis.

Durnut had already dismissed the first claim.
If it hadn't have been brought up again, nothing would have happened
But yeah, but on topic

I have offered a chance for the believers to prove their abilities, so have other people, and yet they can't seem to provide any kind of proof. If they had half of what they claim to have on here, I don't see an issue for them not to provide some kind of proof.

They're very easy to spin due to the small amount of friction between the paper and the tack, and what environmental factors are there on a psiwheel in a closed jar, where the telekinetic has cold hands and does not even come close to touching the jar?

I have to disagree with this assertion. You have not provided any indication of what might be offered over the internet that would be acceptable as proof.

Until you can do that this topic is nothing but harassment.

Durnut given what has been offered in this thread ion relation to responses I have to agree with ImOne opinion. Would further add, that when objective scientific data is presented by what is clearly and objective scientific journal in an internet forum.... it is acceptable and reasonable proof of the validity of the phenomenon.

To be honest, that in this case the data it does not fit in with your "world view," seriously, questions in my mind the validity and motivation of your statement to me, as presented in page one of this thread.

And I quote again from your own words....



Well you were wrong, as you make clear that you understand the final outcome.

Enough said.

Any thoughts?

PS......

From Sasa....


From durnut.....


From Megalomania.....


In what sense did he dismiss the claim?? Megalomania, is looks much more like you should read comments more carefully

Or maybe you should read implications better...
To dismiss is to give little attention to.
He finished that sentence with no further questions, or reason to talk about it.
He ended the Randi talk, until you brought up again

I may have worded my topic wrong, i'm sorry.
Let me clear this up. To all the kids out there, who claim they can perform pyrokiniesis, cryokiniesis and all the other X-men powers they claim to have, I would like to see proof of these abilitys. To all the people out there who claim psiwheels as proof, don't present that to me as evidence. Psiwheel have, many times over, been debunked.



Yes

As for my electric coin tosser comment, that you felt the need to post unnesessarily, to which has no relation to this topic, but I will comment on anyway. After careful deliberation, I realized that it is nothing more then chance.

This is the end of that topic, if you feel the need to adress me directly about that post, please pm me and I will be more then happy to share my ideas with you.

Thank you for your concern Triad.

Now back to the topic.

And how do you expect those people to provide that proof on the internet? Until you can answer that question this topic is nothing more than harassment.

People that have these abilities would have no problem finding a scientist willing to prove it. That scientist would be famous.

That's already been done. It's history.

So you can sit there and tell me that all these people, claiming to be able to manipulate fire, water, ice and the weather, have indeed been proven to be real?

I doubt it, wait, I deny it.

Well obviously that test didn't go to well bcause if you did you would see alot more about it on the news "Person Can Do Telekinesis"... But you dont see that do you?
And you never will.

I will say this though! Maybe with the help of science one might just be able to do telepathy,
by possibly implanting a chip in the brain that will allow a person to use parts of there brain that possibly contain these abilities and thats a slim maybe!

Exactly, let me emphasize one specific comment.

I'm not nuts.

Telepathy is one thing I know a bit about from personal experience as well as a good amount of research. I can assure you that it does occur, and I have proven it beyond all doubt to two other people.

Whether or not anybody actually has any control over such occurrences I do not know. It is a true phenomenon in any case.

O.k. Now you know who this topic was meant for, I apologize for the misdirection I may have lead you to. I am not saying that rolling a pen with one's mind can't happen, I just find it extreamly unlikely. If it ever gets proven real, then i'll back down. I just don't see that happening any time in the near future.

Alright then do this make a video! put a portion cotton in a glass of water and stop it from getting completly soaked with just your thoughts alone or well you're telepathic abilities!
seems an easy enough test

Nevermind that the videos i've seen here just dont seem to have enough evidence.
something can always be done to fake it!

Durnut your birthrate is 5 December 1983 which then means you are an adult, you have identified yourself as a male and so, I will draw the conclusion that this information is correct. In the first place, a question put to you was clear and despite the fact you have
as of yet not responded, to it let me again present the same issue.

Triad states Jun 29 2006, 11:39 PM Post #6....


It is a simple question durnut and the teenagers who post in this forum in all probability would want to know what your answer is....It is not a difficult question to answer and to be clear just because an adult asked the question, given my past experience working with teenagers, I would think it reasonable you provide an answer.

Now let’s continue....



It has every relation to the topic you asked for proof and I provided proof, now the truth be known I am not a teenager, but lets be honest here......what exactly is the basis of your conclusion, as a result of your deliberation and can you provide (given the fact you understood the statistical analysis) a mathematical conclusion which negates your prior response (especially given the fact your response addresses the mathematical components of the data presented)?????????????????



Now again lets compare that to you most recent statements....



Wow, what a big difference and that you say you may have worded the topic wrong??? This is a substantive difference, not only do you not only want to talk to adults, you no longer with to discuss telekinesis.



As soon as pigs fly and/or you provide what has been requested above, I can assure you sir, that just as soon as hell freezes over, I will be more than happy to send you a PM.

Durnut states....


Megalomania states....




To be honest Megalomania, if you want me to, we can address the rest of durnut sentence, but given the above, I hope you realize, it will only confirm that words and there meaning can be identified....and in is respect to this case, the words and there definition, point to the fact, that you need to read the comments more carefully....Seriously dude you need a reality check…..

Ericraven2003 states.....


Dean Radin of Princeton's Psychology Department and Roger Nelson of the PEAR lab are famous, they have proven beyond any shadow of doubt, that, not only is telekinesis is valid, but, as well, is the paranormal as a whole, worthy of serious investigation. What is it that you want ericraven2003 that Radin and Nelson appear at the tonight show?????

Personally I, feel that given the fact that John Bell was not invited to talk to Johnny Carson, it would actually be inappropriate, to invite Dean Radin to do the same (equivalent, as J. Leno now is in charge of the show).


Any thoughts?

Yeah WTF
Anyway as far as proof I do not think it exists!
And as far as absolution it will not exist in these forums!
An equalibrium is non existent it seems when it comes to this topic.

Gentlemen skeptics let me give you an idea of what it is you are promugating.....




I beg to differ Moro Bumbleroot, the reality is, despite Mr. Durnut effort to imply,he has altheimers, as he did state clearly,the issue was evidence of telekenisis. Pyrokiniesis and cryokiniesis are related to telekinetic ability,so the bottom line is,the ability to effect matter with the power of the mind (telekenisis and/or PK) is apparent beyond any shadow of doubt.....

Now let me be clear here, the legitimacy of any argument, which implies validity,in respect to arguing against the voracity of telekinetic ability. Needs to include a mathematical explnation,to why, the statistical evidence, should not be acknowledged (as offered in the link included).

Please prove evidence of statistical error????

Any thoughts?

Yeah the doubt part! most would just admit you to a psychiatric ward!

You lost the plot there.
That pretty much confirms that you don't understand what I am laying down for you.
You're looking at words, and their literal meanings, instead of what is implied, and is quite the opposite.

But to be honest, I really couldn't be bothered to argue this with you.
So go for it, you win.

If I were to take that personally Moro Bumbleroot I would suggest your.....(use your imagination)......... should be placed in a psychiatric ward for having ....... you (fill in blanks in a context you feel is very personal)

Again, Please prove any evidence of statistical error????

Megalomania states....



Take what is stated above in relation to your query as literal, as well as what is implied, in relation to a response to your implication as well. Realize that the periods in question are not indicative of the amount of letters used.....

Any thoughts?

Enough said!

Yes, all of us believers and people with psychic abilities will like to come to your house and lift up a car with only our minds. What's your address?

YEAH RIGHT!, ok, this of course would never happen because it's not safe to go to a stranger's house. Also, every type of proof be it a video, picture, or real life event are declared fakes and disproven by all skeptics so there is no point.



lol. I'de rather not.



indeed. all forms of evidence that can be used over the internet can all be easily disproven by skeptics.



It's pretty much has been done I believe. There is a couple (sorry, don't remember where) that has inserted computer chips into their arms. The man, the world's first cyborg, has his nervous system fused with technology so with the twitch of his finger, every electrical appliance in his house can work on his will. His wife, also agreed to have a chip inserted into her arm. By moving their arms, they can feel impulses of one another from each other's nervous systems. so, basically, this has been done. I've seen this documentary on television but cannot recall the show's name.