I'm sure this question has crossed your mind before. Why do some of you spend SO much time practicing telekinesis, psionics, and any other ability you can think of?

Think about it. You sit for hours trying to move a peice of paper on a thumbtack. And you wonder why you get no progress? Becuase even if the human mind CAN do such things, it can certainly NOT be learned from an online website such as psipog.net or whatever else you can think of.

Okay so you have your psi-wheel. You sit for 2 weeks. You think you can move it. Great! Now what? Try moving a pencil. Oh wait, there aren't really any guides for this step yet.. seems no one has gotten to that point.

Even if there are guides for it, why waste your time? So you can roll a pencil slighty? What use will that have AT ALL in life?

All I am saying is.. do something USEFUL with your time. If you are so desperate to have "powers", try lucid dreaming. You can have all the power you want, and it is 100% real.

i agree, telekinesis and telepathy is something most people get obsessed with trying to do, which is why i never got into it, i do think it is possible though, i heard that humans only use about 10% (or something like that) of there brainpower, so if we were to learn to use more we could probably do it, but i wouldnt waste hours and hours every day trying it

You hit the nail on the head. Good post.

Not a true statement. We use most of our brain just at different times.

The reason why there are no gudies for moving a pencil is because the steps are the same. There are people who can do it. And why couldn't you learn psionic abilities from websites? Have you ever even read the articles or anything at psipog or UPC? Now, I must admit, I don't agree with everything on psionics sites, but I do learn things there.

My opinion about pk is that it is the best way to prove skeptics wrong, and it can enhance my success in other, more useful, psionic abilities, such as Remote Presence, Lucid Dreaming, etc., simply because of the concentration and visualization involved in it.



You are right, some people do obsess over pk(telekinesis) and telepathy too much, but nothing that I've read has said to practice for hours... Actually, most of them say that that is too long to be practicing.

Because it is pointless. So many people are obsessed with having some kind of power, but that power doesn't exist.

you guys are all funny, tread on the path that brings enlightenment, and these things will come naturally, spend all your time focusing on them, and you will get no were. never make any of these your main focuse, teadiouse things can be learned whenever one creats the will to learn it, but "enlightenment" should always be the main focuse. never the secondary.

Fortune cookie statements do not make these powers real.

Let me rephrase that.
It seems the only people who have success with moving large objects on psipg are the same 4 or 5 people. And that picture of NI "levitating" an object looks terribly photoshopped. If he has such a nice camera, youd think he would want to take a video, not a picture.

Also, I believe the internet is a wonderful tool for learning things. But, there are MANY fakes out there willing to try to trick gullible people. Most people attempt to learn psionics without any knowlegde of meditation, visualization, or common sense. (In other words, don't believe you have telekinetic powers becuase a delicate peice of paper on a thumbtack and it moves. Most sites say that you must hold your breath to do this. If so, it was 99% not you and most likely another force.)

Not true we use most of our brain but not our mind. We only control 10% of our body and that is commands. The rest would be able to stop your heart and do anything in your body but not out. Only monks have been able to actually get to the point of stopping your own heart but that is only 20% still this doesn't mean you can control things outside your realm of space.

not to be an ass but man that would a load of typos jk though

akasas.do u ah ve telekinesis???

You're exactly right, Exile.
Great post.

I heard somewhere that developing ones ability to apply the mind in relation to the paranormal is related to spirituality, the mind and an awareness of self.

Now where was it that I heard that???

Ok that was sarcasm, let me be clear, developing ones paranormal abilities, has nothing to do with the material world and any person who thinks that... well your wasting your time.


Any thoughts?

PS: In gereral PK does fall under the heading of Extra-Sensory Perception

I do move it.

That being correct Kazuma, then you are enhancing your capacity to sense and interact with reality....

Any thoughts

I suppose that's a very logical way to put it, yes.

Show us. Lots of talk so far and thats it.

Ericraven2003 the topic is "Why" not "How" and as far as talk, this is a forum, what do you think people do in forums besides talk?? There are more than enough topics on the issue of how available on this forum, what possible motivation would you have for turning this into one of them??

Any thoughts?

Many of us get tired of silly claims by xmen children.

that could have been more eloquently put, but in essance, youre correct... these "powers" are more of side-effects, not goals

It's obvious to any non-idiot that knows any physics at all that there are no supernatural powers. There have existed hundreds of billions of humans, yet not once has any power been proven real.

Living things have existed for three billion years and not one of them has used their mind to move things. Why the hell do you people think we have arms if it is possible to move things with the mind? It would be much more efficient, from an evolutionary point of view, not to have to grow arms and legs at all. Nature has had billions of years to explore all the possibilities of our world, and <insert x-men power>kinesis is not one of them.

Science shows us that it is completely impossible to modify the physical environment using only the mind.

Anyone who ignores all logic and continues believing in the existence of supernatural powers deserve to waste several hours of their short life trying to obtain them. In a way it's a tax on ignorance.

Wow, you like to hear yourself talk, huh?

The only way to get to know the world is threw your own mind.
You dont know everyone in this infinite multiverse, We seam to live in a world with many rules but We also live intwined with this imaginery level beyond atoms, that microscopes cannot determine if it ends, it may be Nothing, Or intelligent energy in a entropy state. You have choice,

There is to much Existance, to believe not in yourself.

Anyways it is very probable that Such things are possible but are allways determined to be Difficult , And the words we use are not meant To encourage such things. In its genius creation.

Humans are not so smart if the claim themselfs with name, Can you notice the rules that you follow, because you Decide to think

Do you know NONE of your posts make sense? Stop mixing Thoreau's and Aristotle's work together

My post make perfect sense you would have to be smarter than me though to understand it, not really

Ericraven2003 the opposite is just as silly......

Any thoughts?

WTF? Then why are you even mentioning this Obviously you are not even smart enough to know what you are talking about!

Wombat that you make such a statement....



establishes your bias....

Any thoughts?

Wombat is one of the true pseudoskeptics.

There is a fine line between "genius" and "insane".

I believe you climbed into a canon and shot yourself half a mile over that line.

Well this says enough about you learning from the Wikipedia and all!
give me a break!

I guess that makes you one of the truly delusional ones.

It's the two of you that give skeptics a bad name on this forum.

Well, its you that give believers a bad name. You should put "I believe anything." On your signature line.

Great post.

Frogfish is absolutely right, this made no sense at all.

I actually just prefer truth, facts, evidence and proof over ridiculous x-men garbage with absolutely no fundation.

I'm not a skeptic or anything at all, but I must say, that was very well said.

~if you beleive close your eyes and click your heels three times children*~

WTF? Are you delusional? Are you in a psychiatric ward of any sort?