HAHA! My man.

I don't play no games though. No joke, I could.

yes yes... marijuana is illegal...

and so i am a criminal... but i'm a happy and calm criminal...

Yes, you may be a criminal to them...

But f**k them. Pardon me, but if they merely take your bag from you, ticket you, go around the corner, and smoke it. Where is the justice in that?

I'd love to play the game, too expensive though



.. Super Troopers anyone?

hahasotrue...

i'm okay with being a criminal... not like i've ever been an angel...

If you break the law then you are a criminal.

Simple, really.

And your analogy was asinine.

Grow your own. Not that expensive.



No doubt. It grows on all the continents, except Antarctica, for a reason.

I don't want no tobacco, it kills. Don't give me no crack, no crack don't want no crack. I don't want no sniff, no drink, just give me my sensi.

Have you ever broke one of the ten commandments?

Man, I forgot about this thread. However, I must say that Buffalo isn't nearly as hospitable as I was led to believe. My friend got thrown out of the concert we were at for smoking a joint. Still, good show and good little after party. But coming from a fairly big town in Northern New Jersey, Buffalo was WEIRD. It was like a movie set. When we got there, there was literally not a SINGLE person on the street. And there were no black people...at all. The blackest thing we saw was a white guy in a pickup truck listening to a censored version of that song "Get Low" as a guy in a fanny pack rollerbladed across the street.

That place SUCKS.

Yep. But I don't believe in the Bible. So?



That was the blackest thing you saw, you should come to this lovely state I'm in.....*grumbles*

So Christians are going to call you a sinner but your going to refute that aren't you? Same thing with you calling us CRIMINALS for smoking some ganja, were not criminals. Criminals are the ones who break into your house, steal your belongings, rape you, kill you, etc. those are criminals not pot smokers. I would agree with a fine for someone who has been caught intoxicated in public (just like what happens with liqour) but calling someone a criminal and locking them up for the simple fact they inhaled some smoke is ridiculous and is the reason your prisons are overflowing. Get real Coldethyl, you know there is nothing wrong with it, if you can come up with a better argument then this: "but the government says it's illegal so your a criminal" then go ahead and present it but in the end you know it's harmless and much safer then many of the 'legal' things you can purchase.

You know you can rant all you want but I've said like a million times that my entire point was that it was just that it was illegal. And when you have lung and breathing problems you come back and tell about how 'harmless' it is. 'Kay? Christians can call me whatever they want because I don't really care. If you want the truth this is it: I don't really care a bit what you do with yourself - your a consenting adult and old enough, right? As long as you don't hurt me or anyone I love I could care less to be completely honest. But when you go around saying that you're not doing anything wrong because it should be legal you are wrong. You are doing wrong by breaking the law. It's just that simple. I already said that was my point. Don't say that you're not wrong because of what something should be. I know what people who want to legalize it are like so I know no argument that I make is going to sway you at all and to be honest that's not why I was even talking about this.
The whole reason I got involved in this conversation to begin with was because my dad's a cop and I'm sick and tired of hearing 'why don't they catch real criminals' from people who 'just smoke'. It gets old when the simple fact is if you break the law then you are a criminal so the police do have a right to be involved in your business. That's the point I was trying to make.
And how could you think you deserve less punishment for smoking if it's an illegal substance than someone who is drunk in public? It's illegal to be drunk in public yes, but alcohol isn't illegal. So just because yours is smoke it shouldn't count? That argument makes no sense because smoking alters perception too.

That is a great.

I, and many, many others, agree with you completely. Lawyers, Doctors, Business men, CBC employees.... all smoke. Tis a good thing. Unfortunatly, there's a prohibition for hemp, merely to secure the rich and make them stay rich.



I try not to judge, at all.

But forgive me. I must say, i'm lead to believe that you have a strong misconception of hemp, and all its constituents. But most people do though.

The mainstream idea of "stoners", or "pot-heads", sets a bad example for the multiple possibilities of hemp: cultivation, productions, medicinal, religious, sacramental. I mean in third world countries, such as parts of Armenia, where it grows wild, it is now illegal. This is outrageous. It's growing on the side of the road, everyones in bare feet, and it's illegal. It seems the law is what you trust, and this is fine. But you shouldn't discredit hemp and cannabis smoke, as it being wrong, simply because the law says it is. If the law told you to jump off a bridge, would you? I know that is slightly drastic, but i'm sure you get my drift. I would never say it is wrong, or condem one for drinking, even if it was the prohibition was on in the early 1900's. There is many cases and studies of the positives of cannabis smoke, but a strong lack in negatives. And, they are trying hard to prove that it is harmful. But without luck.

Cigarettes, and Tobacco incarsinagines should be illegal! How can one not see that? It's proven that it slaughters your lungs, ages and physically changes you, shortens your life, and keeps you ferociously hooked. Even if you don't like it.

Again I'll say that my point wasn't whether or not it was rightly against the law, but just that it currently is. That's all.

I do know this tho, I don't want someone who is high on anything (or drunk for that matter) doing any public service that I may require. Like driving me anywhere in a plane or cab or bus. That's a scary thought. And there are many things that are just under our feet that still aren't good for us. I mean tobacco that you talked about it grows just like hemp. Opium too. That still doesn't mean it's good for you.

But hey it's your life and you do with it what you like.

Opium is quite different. There is a extraction process. I would say it's not as natural. But hey... That's not what we are here to discuss.

You could be standing by a field of hemp, and it get struck by lighting, simply breathing in the burning bush you would become stress illeviated. God created a thing of beauty.

Your right though, i wouldn't want anyone driving me high or drunk on anything either. But if i had to chose, it would definitly be ganja. But Lord knows... can't say one doesn't enjoy a spliff while crusin'.

Why does any animal want to dull its senses?

In the wild, such beasts would be put out of commission.

For people, being in a work environment, such as where decibel levels assault hearing, I can understand using something to dampen stimuli. But, in the face of no threat, is it not irrational to engage intentionally in dampening one's neural mechanisms?

It seems like people use the complexing actions of the frontal cortex to override more natural functions of our "geared for survival" brain.

I maintain that drug use, when not to alleviate pain or enhance recovery from a medical condition, is the folly of excuse mouthing modern men, who are irrationally seeking dead-end survival routes.

Marijuana doesn't dull your sense's, it makes the brain more active along with other drugs such as LSD, peyote, magic-mushrooms and other psychedelic drugs. The legal drugs like alcohol & pain-killers are the ones that dull the sense's. Leaders and governments don't want their people thinking too much, it hinders their agenda's. The big picture here isn't hard to see unless you are in denial.

I would need proof of that. Not that I am trying to be rude, but in general, I mean.

For example, if I could examine simulated brain cell types in various activities, that would give me a better idea. Speaking hypothetically, I would guess that brain cells experiencing
music "condusive to optimal performance" would exemplify certain parameters. The same might be said for reading, working on a math problem, or sewing, or whatever.

Then, examine simulated brain cells infused with certain drugs, or their metabolites.
It just seems to me that things go to hell in a handbasket.

It doesn't "dull senses"...

Why do you think the majority of NBA stars smoke ganja? It is infact quite the opposite, there is a sence of paranoia, which keeps one much more alert and focused. It does not "dull" your sences, however steady drinking dulls your senses.

Naw, DONT LEGALIZE IT.

Decriminalize its social aspect: legal to smoke 18 or 12+, operation of heavy machinery illegal, no more then such and such in possession, designated locations of use...

For everyone whos been arrested for growing pot give em a job doing what they love, Growing pot, for those who are more experienced hire them to the labratory exploring pots ability to be crossbred with other pot and as well as better cultivation methods creating purer thc levels, hey they could even explore pots MEDICINAL VALUE!!.

Explore Hemps value as fiber fuel and food and its great use as an alternative to GASOLINE!!! not to mention the fact it grows everywhere and if anything, its a plant which takes carbon dioxide out and gives us air to breath ohh la la help that ozone layer, ohh not to mention that the more plant life around the sturdier the ground becomes which halts erosion...

what else.. oh yes pot might have to be taxed, those guys growing your pot need to be paid...

The Government could regulate pot based on potency, no more having killer sh** one week and then having fire wood the next, you could probably even choose what you want based on money vs potency or type,, YAh gimme that dark skunky Indica on the left with somma that bright green popcorn sativa ohh and throw somma dat Shwag kansas kreeper for filler... you could no longer get mad cause you controll (to a point) what ya smoking!

of course the lawful side would be that if you ARE caught growing it without a licence then you serve fine or jail time or something... Licence's would need be obtained via a college course test exam or something so not just anyone could pay and play... theyd get genuine education which is specificaly pot-hemp related but all plant life in general.. Transport of high quantities if not a registtered coffee house or licenced dealer etc could be punishable..

back to an earlier point, Food Fiber Fuel: considered natures finest food with all the things it contains as well as medicinal qualities (helps aids patients eat, insomniacs sleep, eases nausea, rids the eye of the haze in glaucoma patients, minor pain reliever and stress relaxer; Clothes are more durable and i think easier to craft with hemp, rope, wicks, even hard composite items can be made thru hemp being a bit stronger quality, Paper is purer, less land used and plant matter used then Tree Timber would require, i think even synthetic polymers are being made with hemp; Fuel well its been used as an oil in the past, this same oil (hemp seed oil) is said to have been used by christ (and as such is the basis for healing properties in christian mythology, this is merely stated for point issue not for validity by any group), its ability to be used as fuel for cars is great....

YES pot can be abused but so can almost anything else...

Driving accidents increase if legalized.. i dont know bout that, the desire that drives a stoner to drive will not change based on its legality, it will prolly be the same ratio as it is now, give or take the idiots who cant maintain.


what else, Oh yah decriminalization would put a big damper in the black market trade of pot by gangs and crime syndicates- hey we get less violent acts!!,, sure enough it will STILL be on the black market but i bet even in a world or society where nearly everything is free or given, there will stil be a black market regardless. oh yah less money being wasted on the housing of "criminals" in jail facilities who were smoking a joint and watching the three stooges at his house. If youre smoking pot or can be proven to be high at the time of an accident, own up or dont play at all you know.

anymore and ill start repeating myself lol.

Well said ZagChavez, well said indeed.

OK. If someone does such things in a responsible fashion, fine.

My whole beef with it is the association it has with things like worldwide crime. That familly of illegal narcotics that are plant based, and are associated today with narco-terrorism and gun-running, money laundering across international borders, etc.- that's the sort of stuff that I think of.

To think that some kid in Miami is giggling, while his money props up a murder campaign in the jungles of South America, bothers me.


It does not "dull" your sences, however steady drinking dulls your senses.

Amen. There was something on T.V. about comparing brain scans of highschool students.
The guy who had a reputation for more booze than the others, had a scan that reflected that. The doctor said a one time abuse can repair, repeatedly it lessens the healing process.

long term smoking of pot addles one's brain. i don't have anything against people smoking pots coz it's their choice but when these same people becomes a menace in society then it's quite another story

*sigh*, another urban pot legend. buying pot doesn't support terrorism let alone a murder campaign in the jungles of south america. most marijuana is grown right here in the U.S. then you have the crappy seedy, stemmy stuff called shwag that comes from mexico. and then there's canada's commercial version of pot called 'beasters' which is not seedy as shwag but still low quality. doesn't really come from anywhere else.can you please be a little bit more specific on how marijuana turns you into a menace to society?

one of the effects of smoking pot is distorted perception (sound, light, time and touch). if a person gets a bad reaction to it which usually manifests in a panic reaction, the person might do something crazy like harming himself or others. and that's what i meant about being a menace to society. if a person gets addicted who knows what else he would be doing. then again, we wouldn't know how will it affect the person taking it. would he just sleep it off or go outside harming people...

i mentioned menace before, because we had a neigbor that just fell victim to a marijuana user. this neighbor just happended to pass by and this guy lurking in the corner just up & stabbed the person. no reason at all, they don't know each other. while in jail, the cops found out that this guy thought that he jumped on a cat. a cat! dunno if he was playing crazy to get off but that's it he killed someone..

HA.

Please tell me where you got your info on "pot is distorted perception (sound, light, time and touch)"?

Also, this neighboor of yours had much more problems than smoking the sensi. Hemp is strongly associated with the "no fussing and fighting", and "peace" type ideologies. I cannot see how one could derive the root of the problem from being "smoking pot", in this case. This person has other obvious mental complications. There is a one in a million chance that any person would do something like that after smoking.

hmm. actually i got that info in school, in books, etc and that's what i remembered. of course, it also have beneficial effect to a degree but i was talking about being addicted to it. but if your sceptical about the distorted perception thingy then google is your friend...

I suppose it will be.

I am extremely skeptical about that. Those facts are not proven.

I have experienced the 'Time' thing that pot does. It took me many hours to walk through a small park one day after smoking pot. But it must have only taken me less then two minutes because when i walked through the park a few days later it was clearly just a small pathway through some tree's in a residential area.. It was sooooo terrifying!....Im never smoking the stuff again. Some people however think that sort of stuff is fun. There the lucky ones.

It does distort time in some people. Profoundly.

lmao, you know we are talking about marijuana, right? not meth or crack.

That's why you do it at home and not out in the public.



Remember this, if hemp were allowed to be grown and put into production many many people would lose out on some big cash, most notably politicians. They teach you that since it is what they want you to believe. Look at the recent arguments over teaching about Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla and that will show you the schools don't always teach the proper information.

Lmfao @ that story.

If its even true, it wasn't the weed that made him act like that.

Pot>no pot. Although it does seem to have driven me completely insane, as you can see on here. Or at the very least it opened up the insane part of my mind.

Now I'm quite mad. MAD.

if you want to read even more funny, fabricated stories, go to www.freevibe.com , that site is soo rediculous you can't help but laugh. the so called "user submitted" stories are a blast to read especially when you have friends over.

Is it anything like Erowid, where the user submitted stuff has people who smoke pot having mindblowing spiritual experiences, like mushrooms do?

Edit-Dear God, it's much much worse than even that.

There is no addictive substances in pot first off and the fact you were educated in school by anti-drug people. The only way for reality to become scewed on pot the way you claim would be to take a massive dose. Eating a tray of cookies will do the trick.

It sounds like not too many people here have ever had quality marijuana. Too bad. You should try it some time if you like that sort of thing.

I wont anytime soon however.

here's the link to the hilarious fabricated stories courtesy of the government: http://www.freevibe.com/Share/threads.aspx?id=4
LMFAO!!

^ ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

ooch well. thanks guyz for the input. who am i to argue if you experienced something good out of it. since you know yourself that well and responsible enough then good for you.

You shouldn't have quit. Did you? I've heard stories of people who smoked ganja on the regular, then all of a sudden quit. And, say that without it, they are schiztophrenic now. Though, this is not proven, since schitz is a fairly new and uprising concept, a disease that is profoundly hard for science to put it's finger on. The cases vary extremely. Some see things, some talk to themselves... .... but then again who doesn't. ha.



Hey no problemo miss.

You cannot "knock" something off of hearsay. Nor speak blaspheme on the peaceful burning bush. Considering that you have an inexperienced tongue on the issue.

It's the people who have only listened to what they are told, and have limited first hand experience, that think marijuana is dangerous.

The most dangerous thing I have ever done while high was

...

getting across the house to get a glass of water. I don't know how I made it out alive.

I could give you about 45 drinking stories that are actually dangerous and just plain stupid, along with waking up not where you think you should be, and feeling like your head will explode and throwing up alot...

^I stopped drinking... I have tried Pot, Alcohol and ciggarettes and Pot is the only one for me...

One thing I have noticed is my memory goes down if I smoke like everyday for a month. Of course that goes away with a few sober days...

Nowadays I don't smoke that much, It hurts the wallet. And I am not about to get caught growing it. once or twice a week seems to be the right amount for me.

The easiest info to get...
The info that is handed to you...
That is the info that you are wanted to take...
at 51% of society it becomes truth...

-Muddy

Not trying to be argumentative here, but I know a lot about mental illnesses and the problem with schizophrenia and drug use (well any mental illness and drug use) is that even just smoking can have detrimental effects on the mentally ill. It doesn't cause mental illness, but if a person is already ill, it can have bad effects. For more information about mental illness go here.

Hmmmm.........

Thanks muchly for this.

I like your signature.


*Scientists still do not know the specific causes of schizophrenia, but research has shown that the brains of people with schizophrenia are different, as a group, from the brains of people without the illness. Like many other medical illnesses such as cancer or diabetes, schizophrenia seems to be caused by a combination of problems including genetic vulnerability and environmental factors that occur during a person's development.

I whole heartedly agree with that. Thanks for the link



As do I, quite artistic...much better then a half naked alice cooper

Haha yes.

The white suit, definitely slick.


Now... where were we?

Dude this is where you fail...

I drive much BETTER and CONCENTRATED after smoking some pot believe me....

Alcohol is the direct opposite.

Grrrrrrrr at ignorance to pots delights.

Actually I have no ill effects from just abruptly quitting the herb and i like to every 4 week or so for about a week possibly longer it depends. The reason for this is simply because once you smoke for a long period of time everyday it is nice to have a break.

Yes that is true I know many people who drive and smoke. However I also know people who won't drive stoned but they choose not to one of my freinds did get into an accident because he was talking to me and not paying attention to the road. He now chooses not to drive because he feels he can't. This however is a good trait to have as opposed to when your really drunk and not sure what your capable of.

Damn, if you smokers put half the energy into something productive as you put into defending your habit, you could be... like, the President someday and stuff.