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__Kratos__
By Sher Zieve – Members of the US House of Representatives have called for an explanation from the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) for its PG rating of a Christian theme film. "Facing the Giants" was rated PG instead of G due to its ‘Christian content’.

House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) said: "This incident raises the disquieting possibility that the MPAA considers exposure to Christian themes more dangerous for children than exposure to gratuitous sex and violence." After meeting with MPAA officials, other House members remained unconvinced by the given explanations.

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) commented: "I'm not satisfied. We probably will want to revisit this ratings process to have some commonality in the standards that exist for movies, videos and video games.”
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Christian content is brainwashing and can lead to being very close minded with a good touch of arrogance. I'm hope more movies will be rated the same way. Please think of the children! crying.gif
A+Certified
rofl, like a movie with gratuatous voilence is gunnna get a PG rating.
i like the rating the way it is (SUPRISE, for those of you who know me tongue.gif)
GIDEON MAGE
Are you kidding? I don't feel comfortable if my kids see a movie about even Santa Claus.
Darkwind
I found an article that explains why they put the PG rating.

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The MPAA, noted Fuhr, tends to offer cryptic explanations for its ratings. In this case, she was told that it "decided that the movie was heavily laden with messages from one religion and that this might offend people from other religions. It's important that they used the word 'proselytizing' when they talked about giving this movie a PG. ...

But the scene that caught the MPAA's attention may have been the chat between football coach Grant Taylor _ played by Alex Kendrick _ and a rich brat named Matt Prader. The coach says that he needs to stop bad-mouthing his bossy father and get right with God.

The boy replies: "You really believe in all that honoring God and following Jesus stuff? ... Well, I ain't trying to be disrespectful, but not everybody believes in that."

The coach replies: "Matt, nobody's forcing anything on you. Following Jesus Christ is the decision that you're going to have to make for yourself. You may not want to accept it, because it'll change your life. You'll never be the same."

That kind of talk may be too blunt for some moviegoers, said Kendrick, but that's the way real people actually talk in Christian high schools in Georgia. Sherwood Baptist isn't going to apologize for making the kinds of movies that it wants to make.
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?acti...-FAITH-06-07-06


I agree with the PG rating.
Imaginary Friend
Thanks for the link Darkwind. original.gif

When the far right zealot movement tried to infiltrate the highest level of government (Office of the President via/ Pat Robertson. wacko.gif ) and were thankfully defeated, they made a decision to then infiltrate all facets of secular society on a grass roots level. (This as reported by the 700 club news).

This movie is the latest in an attempt to pass on an evangelical agenda to the mainstream market. They already are in our public school systems on the school boards, etc... In this country of freedom of religion guarantee, there is no guarantee of being free of the zealot myopic platform afforded fundamentalist zealots.

If they want a country ruled by god they should move to Iran! Not that they would live long, but still they would witness what a zealot agenda does in the course of destroying a people! Convert or die in the 21st century. It's just a matter of time, given our president has gone on the record and said "god" told him to attack Saddam! blink.gif

Funny, when the propaganda supporting our invasion of Iraq hits the media here, that kind of "god told me to" rap from over there garners a judgment of a psychopath that need be stopped. Here, there are people that whoop and holler and vote our zealot back into office, calling it the patriotic thing to do. God! It's all about perspective and power.
Brian McMalley
Well, let's change the dialogue in this to another religion and see if anyone doesn't like it.

The boy replies: "You really believe in all that honoring Muhammed and following Abraham stuff? ... Well, I ain't trying to be disrespectful, but not everybody believes in that."

The coach replies: "Matt, nobody's forcing anything on you. Following Abraham is the decision that you're going to have to make for yourself. You may not want to accept it, because it'll change your life. You'll never be the same."

Now I know Abraham was a prophet, not the son of Muhammed, but it still fits the dialogue. I'm just testing to see if anyone is offended
demonic presence
wow, they changed the rating of a movie, because it had religion in it....that is retarded, i mean seriously who is gunna get offended by there being some religions references in a movie?
Imaginary Friend
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jul 3 2006, 03:18 PM) [snapback]1256142[/snapback]

(sic).....i mean seriously who is gunna get offended by there being some religions references in a movie?


Exactly! But in order for an issue to exist it must first be made. Then when "it" becomes an issue, from that springs contention and strife and , as we see re: "the House" calling for an explanation in this issue, control of the issue.

One chooses to attend a movie. Like the, "Passion of the Christ" movie or, "Fahrenheit 911". If the trailers are found to be offensive to one's personal senses, then it's rather simple for the thinking person; don't buy the ticket!
But there are some in this world that believe freedom of choice is contingent on a superior body of principles defining exactly what "choice" encompasses, for all people.
This is a mistake. The likes of which is exampled by the socio-political picture/condition, world wide.
saucy
If you don't like the religious content, don't watch it! There's no reason to change the rating or even protesting it like they did with Da Vinci Code. I didn't like that movie, but I wouldn't protest it. I just chose not to watch it.
saucy
If you don't like the religious content, don't watch it! There's no reason to change the rating or even protesting it like they did with Da Vinci Code. I didn't like that movie, but I wouldn't protest it. I just chose not to watch it.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(saucy @ Jul 3 2006, 10:54 PM) [snapback]1256224[/snapback]

Da Vinci Code. I didn't like that movie, I just chose not to watch it.

I don't get it...you say you didn't like the movie (da vinci code) and then say you chose not to watch it?? Umm how does that work exactly? How can you say you didn't like the movie, IF you never bothered to watch it? huh.gif
__Kratos__
QUOTE(saucy @ Jul 3 2006, 04:53 PM) [snapback]1256221[/snapback]

If you don't like the religious content, don't watch it!


That'd be the reason for the rating of PG. To let people know it's religion. Which is perfectly right because believe it or not, not everybody is a Christian. Movies are just another way to get their message out to innocent children that don't deserve that punishment. thumbsup.gif
exeller
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 3 2006, 02:10 AM) [snapback]1255309[/snapback]

"This incident raises the disquieting possibility that the MPAA considers exposure to Christian themes more dangerous for children than exposure to gratuitous sex and violence."


HAHAHA, very ******* funny. It's the dumbest thing to say it's dangerous for kids to be exposed to christian related content. Really. Put a cork in it.

Darkwind
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 3 2006, 11:49 PM) [snapback]1256385[/snapback]

That'd be the reason for the rating of PG. To let people know it's religion. Which is perfectly right because believe it or not, not everybody is a Christian. Movies are just another way to get their message out to innocent children that don't deserve that punishment. thumbsup.gif


yes.gif I agree with that, Kratos, if I was raising kids right now I wouldn't want my kid to see it.
Beckys_Mom
Has ANYONE seen this film?? huh.gif
chaoszerg
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 5 2006, 02:44 AM) [snapback]1257629[/snapback]

HAHAHA, very ******* funny. It's the dumbest thing to say it's dangerous for kids to be exposed to christian related content. Really. Put a cork in it.



Actually it can be serious and can be true, religious content can be more damaging or influential than a movie with strong sex or violence in it.
demonic presence
so your saying that a movie where they talk about god in once scene is more dangerous that a movie that talks about drugs and violence

So on the danger meter the movie Dogma > Scarface ???

exeller
QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Jul 5 2006, 07:30 PM) [snapback]1258419[/snapback]

Actually it can be serious and can be true, religious content can be more damaging or influential than a movie with strong sex or violence in it.


Depends what you are being taught and by who. Like saying, "Follow Jesus or burn in hell", is a really dumb thing to say.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 5 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]1258496[/snapback]

Depends what you are being taught and by who. Like saying, "Follow Jesus or burn in hell", is a really dumb thing to say.

Really?? you think so?? do you? why is a dumb thing to say....when you told Kratos to put a CORK in it for saying it's a shame kids are exposed to such films hmm.gif the same kids are told to say these so called DUMB things as you so like to call em huh.gif
exeller
Well I'm a complicated guy. And it's a dumb thing to say because God is loving. Anyone who can read would clearly see there is nothing to be scared of.
chaoszerg
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 5 2006, 10:03 PM) [snapback]1258536[/snapback]

Well I'm a complicated guy. And it's a dumb thing to say because God is loving. Anyone who can read would clearly see there is nothing to be scared of.



oh no not again one minute you question him and his ways. Then BAM oh god is loving and all that. Mate make up your mind. I believe religious movies can be more influential on some children and people but not all. I'm trying to dig up the incident where a group of children stoned another then wrapped barb wire around the childs head. Because of what they had watched at a school Religious education lesson.
Shivel
I don't see the issue with raising it to a PG rating - which stands for Parental Guidance, by the way, since it seems as if some people don't understand that. If a child is exposed to religious dialogue, why shouldn't a parent be there to explain it? It makes perfect sense that it's now PG. Religion is very influential, and it's important that it isn't instantly displayed as fact with no perspective from a, let's say, parental figure.
exeller
Like I said, I'm a complicated guy.
Shivel
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 5 2006, 05:15 PM) [snapback]1258552[/snapback]

Like I said, I'm a complicated guy.


I'm not seeing your point. huh.gif
exeller
My point is: I'm a complicated guy.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 5 2006, 10:25 PM) [snapback]1258566[/snapback]

My point is: I'm a complicated guy.

Very much so yes.gif you say one thing but mean another...we KNOW LOL grin2.gif
Paranoid Android
Movie ratings are given for a reason. A 'G' rated movie can be watched by absolutely anyone. A five year old can watch it, and it should be perfectly acceptable for them. Like Jayman says, 'PG' is not the end of the world, it's an advisory that any children should be accompanied by adults. Any adult concept (whether it be violence, drugs, sex or *gasp* religion) should have an adult to explain it.

It's not an indictment that religion is "bad" so there should be parents to warn the child away when watching. It's because religion IS an adult concept, imo. Though people are born and raised into their parent's Faith, and many of them choose to stay on, but the fact is, religion is not a child's concept.

I have no problem with this rating thumbsup.gif
zircle
PG is a good rating for every movie i think.
If a parent won't take the time to screen what there kids watch then they may be putting too much trust in ratings.
Parents Guidance.Are we really going to say we are too busy to guide our children.(A debate i had with a friend who said she was too busy to screen what her kids watched).I personally don't have trust in ratings.
Purplos
Mature themes... I'm with those who say the PG rating is hardly an indication of "bad stuff." What is so wrong with parents guiding their children in what they should watch?

Half of the G stuff out there I don't want my kids to watch because it is senseless. They should be PG for "stupid themes."
exeller
QUOTE(Purplos @ Jul 6 2006, 04:53 PM) [snapback]1259545[/snapback]

They should be PG for "stupid themes."


w00t.gif yes.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
They should have just given the thing an 'R' rating as a gag. Let it totally bomb at the box office. Give it a rating too high for the target audience to watch: either the kids can't get in or the Christians would gasp in horror thinking there may be people in the movie doing things like saying "Damn" or showing thier ankles. rofl.gif
Seriously, I think the MPAA did a good thing. With the 'PG' rating, they created enough controversy to alert people to the overt religious BS in the movie, maybe some folks will take the hint and pass on the film.
Now if they would only start doing that with the sneakily religious movies.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 6 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1259623[/snapback]

They should have just given the thing an 'R' rating as a gag. Let it totally bomb at the box office. Give it a rating too high for the target audience to watch: either the kids can't get in or the Christians would gasp in horror thinking there may be people in the movie doing things like saying "Damn" or showing thier ankles. rofl.gif
Seriously, I think the MPAA did a good thing. With the 'PG' rating, they created enough controversy to alert people to the overt religious BS in the movie, maybe some folks will take the hint and pass on the film.
Now if they would only start doing that with the sneakily religious movies.

By and R rates movie, I take it you mean 18?? if so DAMNNNNN LOL ...why does this remind me of a certain Father Ted episode...."Down with that sort of thing"...."Careful now" rofl.gif
Doug1029
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 4 2006, 08:44 PM) [snapback]1257629[/snapback]

HAHAHA, very ******* funny. It's the dumbest thing to say it's dangerous for kids to be exposed to christian related content. Really. Put a cork in it.



Have you read the Bible? It's loaded with gratuitous sex and violence. As Thomas Jefferson said: "The Bible is not fit reading for children." Maybe the Bible should have a PG rating.

Read it; don't just thump it.

--DJS
exeller
Well then maybe it would open the childs eye to what this world really is. A struggle for money and power, and a world of sin.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 5 2006, 05:39 AM) [snapback]1257934[/snapback]

Has ANYONE seen this film?? huh.gif


I haven't. Just why I haven't see the Passion of the Christ... religion is stupid. I don't mind learning not forcing it. I mean, I don't need to see a film about a silly con man that fooled billions of people.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 8 2006, 02:45 AM) [snapback]1261634[/snapback]

I haven't. Just why I haven't see the Passion of the Christ... religion is stupid. I don't mind learning not forcing it. I mean, I don't need to see a film about a silly con man that fooled billions of people.

I was asking had anyone seen it, because I was curious to know what it was like...we havent heard of it over here..well not that I know of...as for the passion of christ..I did see it...man that was gory...OTT if ya ask me blink.gif
jpalz
Come on people, snap out of it! According to the article Darkwind posted here, it's just a couple of seconds conversation about something that can be applied to other religions (the "you'll never be the same again"), not some kinda freakin propaganda like "Become Christian today! We have cookies inmediate salvation and exhuberant babes. Just call 555-SHOW-ME-THA-MONEY and you'll get a 1% discount in your suscription fee" (that propaganda would suck, but you get the idea).
Anyways, what's the big difference between a G and PG rating? huh.gif


P.S: Yeah BM, The Passion was REALLY gory. I was quite shocked the first time I watched it, and you should have seen the way women were crying while their husbands comforted them saying "Come on, it's just a movie". I had to do the same thing with my sister the time we watched it together.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(jpalz @ Jul 10 2006, 03:08 AM) [snapback]1263932[/snapback]

Come on people, snap out of it! According to the article Darkwind posted here, it's just a couple of seconds conversation about something that can be applied to other religions (the "you'll never be the same again"), not some kinda freakin propaganda like "Become Christian today! We have cookies inmediate salvation and exhuberant babes. Just call 555-SHOW-ME-THA-MONEY and you'll get a 1% discount in your suscription fee" (that propaganda would suck, but you get the idea).
Anyways, what's the big difference between a G and PG rating? huh.gif
P.S: Yeah BM, The Passion was REALLY gory. I was quite shocked the first time I watched it, and you should have seen the way women were crying while their husbands comforted them saying "Come on, it's just a movie". I had to do the same thing with my sister the time we watched it together.

Yea it was gory alright...they didn't have to be so graphic...I hated the part where Jesus was being whipped..man that was just brutal...it turned my stomach blink.gif if anyone that hasn't seen the passion of christ...if you have a weak stomach..and you are very squeamish...don't watch it..cuz it can be disturbing
Mekorig
The passion of Christ......kinda boring movie. I almost fell asleep when i see it in cable.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 10 2006, 05:52 AM) [snapback]1264275[/snapback]

Yea it was gory alright...they didn't have to be so graphic...I hated the part where Jesus was being whipped..man that was just brutal...it turned my stomach blink.gif if anyone that hasn't seen the passion of christ...if you have a weak stomach..and you are very squeamish...don't watch it..cuz it can be disturbing


Do you know why it was made to be so gory? Make people feel guilty about Jesus dying for their sins and showing how he supposely suffered to put the guilt in believers and nonbelievers. It was really just a huge anti-Jew, pro-Christian movement of crap.

Anybody see the South Park where Cartman rallied the town using the Passion against the Jews? w00t.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 10 2006, 10:20 PM) [snapback]1265004[/snapback]

Do you know why it was made to be so gory? Make people feel guilty about Jesus dying for their sins and showing how he supposely suffered to put the guilt in believers and nonbelievers. It was really just a huge anti-Jew, pro-Christian movement of crap.

Anybody see the South Park where Cartman rallied the town using the Passion against the Jews? w00t.gif

Hmmmm well no offence to those that made the movie (mel gibson) but no one should be made feel guilty for Jesus dying for sins...Jesus chose to..no one made him...I don't think the people requested him to do it....I didn't feel guilty...I just felt squemish watching it...and yet at the same time...I can watch movies like Blade or Dusk to Dawn and not get turned from it...I don't know why that is...maybe because movies like Blade are not ment to protray a real life event...unlike the passion of christ..it is supposed to be a real life event..and that's probably why I was disturbed watching it...but not guilty
I love South Park and I think I may well have seen that episode LOL grin2.gif
artymoon
Name me one G movie that doesn't have some type of ideological content?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(artymoon @ Jul 10 2006, 10:42 PM) [snapback]1265033[/snapback]

Name me one G movie that doesn't have some type of ideological content?

G Movie?? I dont understand
artymoon
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 10 2006, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1265036[/snapback]

G Movie?? I dont understand

This movie was given a PG rating instead of G because of religious ideals. Name me one G rated movie that does not contain some type of moral ideals? One may find certain morals offensive, right?
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(artymoon @ Jul 10 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]1265045[/snapback]

This movie was given a PG rating instead of G because of religious ideals. Name me one G rated movie that does not contain some type of moral ideals? One may find certain morals offensive, right?

Good point and the main reason Walt Disney was the Anti-Christ and his corporations are his agents.
artymoon
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 10 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1265049[/snapback]

Good point and the main reason Walt Disney was the Anti-Christ and his corporations are his agents.

I won't go that far. I was being sarcastic about all of the Politically Correct bull. Who cares if there is a particular message given? Let parents decide if there kid can go watch the movie, not many kids under 13 are going to the movies alone anyway.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(artymoon @ Jul 10 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]1265056[/snapback]

I won't go that far. I was being sarcastic about all of the Politically Correct bull. Who cares if there is a particular message given? Let parents decide if there kid can go watch the movie, not many kids under 13 are going to the movies alone anyway.

No, most G movies have agendas. Watching them as an adult, and considering that anyone exposed me to this crap as a kid, makes me sick.
And I was kidding about Disney. Everyone knows Nickelodeon is the real Anti-christ. grin2.gif
artymoon
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 10 2006, 06:06 PM) [snapback]1265066[/snapback]

No, most G movies have agendas. Watching them as an adult, and considering that anyone exposed me to this crap as a kid, makes me sick.
And I was kidding about Disney. Everyone knows Nickelodeon is the real Anti-christ. grin2.gif

Of course, it is not possible to not have an agenda. So who decides which is proper or not proper? Do you want the government to? I would prefer to leave that decision up to the consumer. The consumer always holds the trump card.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 10 2006, 11:06 PM) [snapback]1265066[/snapback]

No, most G movies have agendas. Watching them as an adult, and considering that anyone exposed me to this crap as a kid, makes me sick.
And I was kidding about Disney. Everyone knows Nickelodeon is the real Anti-christ. grin2.gif

Saw a thread once that claimed the Lion King was evil blink.gif
jpalz
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 10 2006, 10:52 AM) [snapback]1264275[/snapback]

Yea it was gory alright...they didn't have to be so graphic...I hated the part where Jesus was being whipped..man that was just brutal...it turned my stomach blink.gif if anyone that hasn't seen the passion of christ...if you have a weak stomach..and you are very squeamish...don't watch it..cuz it can be disturbing



Oh girl, that part! I admit I'm a gorehound, but even for me that scene was a tad too much. It's one of the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen, along with the one in Cannibal Holocaust where the main characters grab a turtle and kill it slowly and you see all the organs and the turtle agonizing (and the fact that it was a real turtle makes it more disturbing unsure.gif Nope, not for the weak of heart no.gif ).
Now, the reason it was so gory is simple: when you watch any other movie about Jesus (The Greatest Story Ever Told, the version Zefirelli made and countless others), they focus mostly in Jesus' life, his miracles, yaddayaddayadda, and the episode of the Crucifiction is made in a romantic way. Heck it, you don't even watch him sweating! And The Passion was made that way to make people realize that the Crucifiction wasn't pretty or romantic but rather brutal, and for me that's the great achievement of the movie. As for this post:


QUOTE

Do you know why it was made to be so gory? Make people feel guilty about Jesus dying for their sins and showing how he supposely suffered to put the guilt in believers and nonbelievers. It was really just a huge anti-Jew, pro-Christian movement of crap.


Kratos, saying that the movie is anti-Jew is a rather short-sighted vision. Now, why? Because, and every theology book will say the same thing, is that Jesus died for the sins of everyone. EVERYONE, that includes me and you and our sons (if we have any tongue.gif), so just putting the blames on the Jews and saying "Let's discriminate Jews because they killed Jesus" is totally missing the point behind the Crucifiction. And about making people guilty, well, in a way we too are responsible, but just staying in the guilt is foolish. The whole point behind the Crucifiction is not making us feel like "%"$%, but to thank Jesus for his sacrifice.


Anyways, I'm straying too far from the main subject. About that other movie. I know that PG means that there are some subjects that the fathers have to talk about with the kids and all that, but in the practice, any of you who has got kids, do you really care if a kids' movie is rated G or PG? Would you restrain your children from watching a movie because it's rated PG?


QUOTE
Saw a thread once that claimed the Lion King was evil blink.gif

Oh, and remember that in most Disney movies Walt was trying to tell us the real story of the Holy Grail. Or so Dan Brown says tongue.gif

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