I am so sick and tired of this 9-11 conspiracy rubbish that I'm going to heave up an organ! I'm sure you have all seen the "documentary" Loose Change 2nd Edition. Well, here is the counter-video to this ridiculous piece of crap!

Screw Loose Change video and links
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Sean

im afraid your too late robbo already had this out with scooby

Just visited the link, filled with chidish attempts of character assasination and does no real debunking at all. I also watched Screw Loose Change, the name pretty much says it all. The childish attitude throughout it is annoying with insults and repeated phrases like, "god, more horrible music", and " I thought this was dedicated to the victims of 911". While it does raise interesting questions on a couple issues, they totally ignore other issues or just give some very lame commentary.
It doesnt disprove anything about the 911 questions.

Maybe these might be of interest ...

9-11 Myths
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

MIT: Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Popular Mechanics: 9/11: Debunking The Myths
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy theories and Controlled Demolition Myths
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

CIVIL ENGINEERING MAGAZINE
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Firefighter Quotes on WTC7
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Kindly,

Sean

You can usually tell if its disinfo if there is more character attacks than evidence.

Scientific Evidence that Official 9/11 Story is a Lie
http://www.ditrianum.org/Artikelen/artikel33en.htm

911 Timeline missing pieces
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=5407

The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...;articleId=1846

Full Video:Explosions before both WTC collapsed
Torrent file(676MB) http://ts.searching.com/search.asp?uid=&am...&submit.y=0

Dirty Little 911 secrets exposed part I and II
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=3713

Articles from MIT, Popular Mechanics and Civil Engineering Magazine were using character attacks and not simple logic, evidence? Not to mention direct quotes from firefighters themselves and OBL! Hmmm .... Oh, well.

FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.

Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.--THE EDITORS

Sean

oo a popular mechanics article... by the way, who exactly was the editor for that article again? LOL.

Open your mind, or shut your mouth.

oo a popular mechanics article... by the way, who exactly was the editor for that article again? LOL.

Open your mind, or shut your mouth.

oo a popular mechanics article... by the way, who exactly was the editor for that article again? LOL.

Open your mind, or shut your mouth.

First, there were some 70 contributors to the article. Second, I also listed articles from MIT et al. Third, what the hell is your problem? Open your mind, or shut your mouth?! What's that about? Have a problem with people who disagree with you? Anger management issues?

There is no proof that the editor of the PM article is related to who people say he is. Even if he was, do you have the same opinions as your cousins? Would you help a cousin cover up a crime that killed thousands?

He's not related and stated so in direct questioning about it. I'd post the link to it but why bother.

Internet is filled with every mans opinion about everything and they are like assholes, everybody got one.

But still the facts are speakig for themselves, there are too many questions and too few answers, just like Pearl Harbour. Army let it happen so USA would join the WWII.

http://www.911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html

Do ur research or shut your mouth.

Can't get enough of conspiracy theory garbage?
Wish you could find it all in one place?
Look no further!
Just go here --

Crank Dot Net
http://www.crank.net/

However, if one isn't easily misguided -- try these sane websites for rational realization:

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories - Controlled Demolition Debunking
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/

911 Myths
http://www.911myths.com/

"Loose Change" Viewer Guide -- crank video debunked
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

Counter-video of "Loose Change 2nd Edition"
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

911 Conspiracy Smasher
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/

Refuting the 911 conspiracy theories
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

Truth About "9-11 Truth Movement"
http://www.911getthefacts.blogspot.com/

Planes May Have Almost Toppled World Trade Center Towers On Impact
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/...20710082205.htm

Massive Size Of World Trade Center Towers Their Undoing,
Swarthmore College Physics Professor Says
http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/Media/.../01/towers.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/...10919074314.htm

Stanford scientist compares impact of World Trade Center attack to a nuclear bomb explosion: 9/01
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/01/block911.html

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation (From MIT)
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/...Eagar-0112.html

MIT Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering - World Trade Center Collapse: Assessing the Events
http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?iid=3721&isa=Category

Fireproofing key to Twin Towers' collapse
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7236

NOVA Why the Towers Fell | The Collapse: An Engineer's Perspective | PBS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse2.html

WTC Attack Math - From Patrick Di Justo, Astrophysics educator
at the American Museum of Natural History, New York City
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2001/09/17

Engineers Explain WTC Collapse
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html

Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures
http://enr.construction.com/news/buildings...ives/040119.asp

IT WAS THE FIRE, CAUSED THE TWIN TOWER COLLAPSE - icivilengineer.com
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html

Popular Mechanics: Debunking The 9/11 Myths - Mar. 2005 Cover Story
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Fahrenheit 2777--9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa...00&colID=13

When the Twin Towers Fell - Scientific American
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...r=3&catID=4

WPI Fire Protection Engineering: News
http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/Depts/Fire/News/wtc.html

Snopes.com-Urban Legends: Collection of links to various rumors on 9/11
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/rumors.asp

Hunt the Boeing! (damage to the Pentagon)
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

"Hunt the Boeing" Answers
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2002/03/14

Hunt the Boeing! - Smoke and Mirrors No Substitute for Proof
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

Aerospaceweb Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

Evidence A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pe...e_evidence.html

9/11 Denial - Pentagon Eyewitness
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp

Pentagon Eye-Witness Accounts
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

Pentagon Attack Simulations
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/

Pentagon: The There-was-no-757 Crowd Is Making An Ass Out of Itself
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/penta...ensions_est.htm

WhatDIDN'TReallyHappen
http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/2002_07_...ks_archive.html

Asking Questions at the Flight 93 Crash Site
http://www.devvy.com/flight_93_part_1.html

Transcript of Flight 93 Voice Recorder - Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_...93_transcript_3

Conspiracy Theory -- Who brought down Flight 93?
http://web.archive.org/web/20041101190530/...ver_story.shtml

Flight 93 probe caps FBI career
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20020217bobcraig2.asp

Panoply of the Absurd
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/internatio...,265160,00.html

When 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Go Bad
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/

Put-Paid: allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 myth
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

The 4000 missing Israelis at the WTC, Odigo warning, & 5 Dancing Spies lies
http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html

AP “Israeli spying” Story an “Urban Myth” According to Justice Department
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=...p;x_article=147

4,000 Jews, 1 Lie - Tracking an Internet hoax.…
http://slate.msn.com/?id=116813

Steve Jones: Academia’s Oliver Stone (and that’s not good)
http://independentsources.com/2005/11/12/steve-jones/

Steven E. Jones is a dangerous fool.
http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=1789&go=4

Bin Laden admitting to attacks
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C...BC36E87F61F.htm

September 11 Conspiracy Theories - from Rotten.com
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/s...iracy_theories/

Oil conspiracy redux
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020412.html

Penn & Teller 911 Conspiracy BS
http://luckydawgnews.com/911conspiracybs.html

ACL: Conspiracy Theories
http://nord.twu.net/acl/conspiracy.html

Psychology Today Conspiracy Theories Explained
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pt...125-000003.html

Conspiracy theory/conspiracism
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Conspirac...ry#Conspiracism

Cognitive dissonance and conspiracy theories
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Cognitive_dissonance

Dynamics of Conspiracism
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/conspiracism.html

If one IS easily misguided however, simply repeat, scream, and/or drool this litany:
"All the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of people involved with all the above (and many other) articles, publications, professional organizations, in all the various media, government agencies, military, law enforcement, civil servants, firefighters, airline companies, as well as thousands of eyewitnesses are all "paid off by the evil government".
Don't worry about not being able to back up such a claim with one shred of evidence, because everyone knows a generalized, unsubstantiated, nay-saying dismissal carries more weight over anything any actual expert or eyewitness might have said!
Living in Cloud Kookoo Land is just sooo much nicer than reality!

Bonus crank canard:
Did Roosevelt know in advance about the attack on Pearl Harbor yet say nothing?
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mpearlharbor.html

I will believe you if you can tell me how so many people were able to use their cell phones on the airplane. Everyone I ask says its improbable. I dont have a cell phone, so im not an expert. Explain also why the 12 videos of the pentagon strike havent been released. The government didnt take and then forbid the other airliner crash footage, so why the pentagon one? Also explain the multiple explosions people at all the buildings heard. I sifted through the links, but couldnt find the answers, since you present yourself as an authority on the subject you should have the answer.

Theres mention of reports and things on here, americas government im sure has their dirty hand in everything 'official' so theres probably a lot of anti-conspiracy material out there.

Im sure you saw the frames of the pentagon the fbi released not so long ago, did anyone spot the airliner? Didnt think so...

I did.
Are you saying it was a missile?

take a look at this and tell me there was no airliner

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

All i can see are some parts of a small plane, think how big a commerical passenger jet is. Judging by the damage there should be the good part of the fuselage left there. And i was talking about the frames of video footage caught by one of the security cameras that the fbi recently released, where all there is to be seen is a fireball and a blurred black thing, no airliner.

Why is it so hard to even consider that your government may have orchestrated the thing?

Because if you disregard their governments track record for this type of thing (Vietnam, pearl harbour, etc etc) to consider that their government is commiting these types of crimes would imply that not only are the people gullible fools, they have been for decades and probably will be for more to come.

Maybe they are...americas all about the flag, they could pull pretty much anythin n a lot of americans would side with the government or just plain refuse to believe they could do such a thing.

Anyone who thinks 9/11 was carried out only by some Muslim Extremists, need to spend some time researching false flag events.

Anyone who thinks we went to Afganistan and Iraq as a result of 9/11 needs to look into the planned pipe line through afganistan, and the plan by the PNAC to overthrough Saddam even back when Clinton was in office. 9/11 was a blessing to the Bush administration. I see that as a motive. Everyone elses problem is that they don't know what was planned before 9/11, why would you.

If Bin Laden really carried out 9/11 why has the CIA stopped looking for him? Bush doesn't seem to be very interested in finding the person he blamed for the attacks.

Hell, he wasnt even suprised when he heard it had happened.

Any cop should know that when looking for motive, one of the most important questions to ask yourself is "Where is the money?" Money is the root of all evil (*ahem* axis of evil, if you'd prefer). People think these wars are all unrelated. They are not. simple as that.
It was planned and the order was planned.

Look at the billions they allocate for defense, for military operations, for weapons and guns and bombs,
They same people that say there is not enough money to build new homeless shelters or better child care.

The fires werent even out in Iraq before they were getting ready to ship oil. And they say they are delivering freedom. Freedom from what? Life?

But as Bush says :"god told me to do it"
Thats rich from a confirmed active satanist.

The 9/11 documentory Loose Change 2nd Edition is #5 on google video's top 100 list. It most be extremely disturbing to all of the people that still believe that 9/11 was carried out by muslim extremist to know that most americans now think that 9/11 was an inside job.

Anyway here's the link
http://video.google.com/videoranking

You can also watch loose change by going here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726

I dont understand these non believers.... Why is it so hard to understand that the US Government is lying to you?

There is evidence the US Government has lied before in order to have a pretext to war.

Operation Northwoods, google it do your research, it was written documentation on attacks on US Airplanes etc to blame it on the Cubans to invade them.... US Government Documentation, if they have something like this written down how can you deny they didnt have 9/11 written down?

911myths.com - this site is used alot by the non believers and the Bush supporters like EGGY - dont be fooled by this site.

I’ve read it.

I find the points quite weak, basically saying that witness testimony that mentions explosives cannot be credible because it was either taken slightly out of context, or could possibly be explained by other means.

A site like that is quite stupid in my opinion, its filled with semantics and misinformation. Its main purpose is basically to try to poke holes in a theory, but does a bad job of it.

I get angry at 911myths.com and other similar sites for their lies, and distortions. Clearly anyone who has researched with honesty the inconsistencies with the government account of 9/11 finds that site to be shameful and easily refuted. To the poorly informed, such a site might seem to have validity, but it seems to me a dishonest propaganda piece.

Personally, i think we have agents or people hired by the Government to post as much disinformation as possible on 9/11 in here.

Cheers

BZRK

Well, as long as we're making baseless generalizations, all Welsh people enjoy fornicating with sheep.

Arg, I can't stand these CT guys - and it's seems like it's almost always guys in their early 20's for some reason (perhaps because this is the time when you're scared for your future and starting to realize that freedom, no matter how "free" the society, is just an illusion). I can understand being suspicious, but to turn a blind eye to physical evidence in a case as serious as this is almost criminal. Would you want one of these guys on a jury if you were committed of a crime? You might as well consider yourself guilty untill proven innocent! Unless of coarse you can convince them that it's a conspiracy, and in that case evidence doesn't matter anymore because all of the evidence is 'contaminated' and you're home free. That's the true crime of the 9/11 CT's, letting Islamic extremism off the hook in the minds of many Americans, which definitely isn't going to make us any safer.

Because it does not stand up to the scrutiny of critical thinking. 9/11 conspiracy theories rely on bad-science, half-truths, and quote-mining. Plus, the number of people that would have to be involved is staggering; this is a government that cannot keep simple terrorism surveillance or "secret prisons" secret, yet not a single credible person has come forward, no one who can stand up to the test of scrutiny. You want to believe a government that could orchestrate 9/11 and could convince other governments that terrorists were behind it would let itself get embarassed by not finding the WMDs in Iraq? You also want to believe a government that could pull off a 9/11 style attack, cover up its involvement, would leave behind enough evidence that some putz with a camcorder and an Amiga could "put the pieces together"?

Ultimately, the belief in these conspiracies is a belief of cowards, laziness, and arrogance. The belief in an all-powerful government controlling everything excuses you from having to get off your lazy duff and try to change things, excuses you from having control over your life. "It's the government's fault." It is an intellectual laziness combined with an grand degree of arrogance. Not only are some putz on the internet able to figure out things that the greatest minds in science and media were not able to figure out, but once you believe in such conspiracies, you excuse yourself from doing any mental exercise to maintain your belief in the conspiracy. Any evidence to the contrary you dismiss out of hand as being part of the conspiracy.

Sorry but i believe in 9/11 conspiresy 'cause i defently don't think it was the terrists if so why did bush let them leave the country save and sounded?

What in the world are you talking about?

Could you possibly share some examples of this?



SunofOne has a pretty extensive Whistle-Blowers thread I think you should Read
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=36598

If the audio in this film is correct how can you say those buildings were not blown to kingdom come.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=88...h&plindex=9


But were there explosions that were captured over two miles away?

What about these rummbles ? could the sound waves travel across the river to Richard Segals camera that day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eR1ZwHBG00...ead301583%2Fpg1

The more I listen to the sounds on Richard Segals camera and more video evidence comes out at ground zero of clear audio of huge explosions I don't have any doubt that those sounds registard on the camera two miles away are indeed authentic and very real before those towers came down.

That wasen't thunder in the background or steel hitting steel those were bombs.

The house of cards is an the verge of collapse.

Please take the time and read through some of the older threads here...or elsewhere, they are full of examples. But for the sake of illustration, lets just take a few - like from the movie clip Chris0871 linked to in the post after yours. At 36 seconds the narrator describes how the collapses does not follow Newton's 3 laws of motion and should have fallen into the street in 1 piece!!! I am sorry, but I had to listen to that part a few times to convince myself he actually said that.

This is a typical example of somebody trying to be scientific and convincing, leaning against Newton's laws. Unfortunately, the narrator shows a blatant lack of basic physics skills and have no idea of how such a building should behave. This is not even a half-truth and not even science - but it sounds great (scientific).

Same with the sound of 'explosions' in the same clip. How is this sound identified as explosions? Could it be the internal structure of the building collapsing? Yes, it could and is. Again, jumping to conclusions based on bad science and half-truths.

And the examples are numerous. Like directed energy weapons were used (absolutely ludicrous; sounds great, but also shows a complete lack of knowledge of physics).

The fires didn't burn hot enough to weaken the structure. Well, the fire burnt hot, but maybe not hot enough to weaken the structure if it was intact. But a good amount of the support pillars had been damaged or ripped over and the fireproofing shaken off at the same time.

Or, how about the pentagon. From loose change: we see footage from a cctv at the outside and in no frame is the plane observed. Just the explosion; alas, no plane could have been responsible. But nowhere is it mentioned that said camera only took one frame per second, so obviously it didn't see a plane traveling 400+ feet per second. What kind of half truth is that?

And I think we could go on and on, but I won't really spend more time on that. Just take a look at what some people put forth and what the experts are saying. And to that end, I can recommend flyingswan's post, where he links to an excellent peer reviewed paper on the collapse.

Best,
Badeskov

Interesting how this same sort of thing appears in various conspiracy driven notions. From the moon landing hoax to Icke's reptilian humanoids, one finds a blatant lack of basic science at the forefront of all this nonsense. Leaves me wondering if science is any longer a mandatory part of basic education?

Well, I guess such is the backbone of the various conspiracy theories. Imagine if basic science was put to work (oh, horror, what a thought); then again, I guess it would be the end of conspiracies as we see them here.



I think it is, but without the emphasis it apparently needs. Also, with everybody being online and online discussion forums like this proliferating, I also do think we see a lot of people creeping out of the woodwork that we otherwise wouldn't have seen

Best,
Badeskov

yeah I watched the video and what is this guys proof from his dumb comments edited in at the bottom? He does no debunking except continuously saying "wheres the connect"? Obviously the connection is that the northwoods project would fit this scenerio perfectly you noob!!!!

wow watching more of the lolloosechange is so ridiculous, he is not debunking he is adding his opinion from what is on the screen. What a waste of time.

really?? i guess you will have no problem then finding a scholar that has refuted the byu physics prof 48 page anaysis concluding that the use of explosives was absolutely necessary in order to create the collapses witnesed as well as much of the physical evidence like molten steel,sulfer laden iron micr spheres and the pulveration of a majority of the mass of the building-- c'mon now you spoke a big game there boy lets see you back it up with something OTHER than conjecture-- im not asking you to personally refute it as im sure your credentials are nowhere near that of prof jones but at least locate one scholar that has or you can keep your mouth closed about critical thinking and intellectual laziness as it will be your fragile psyce that you are fostering when you choose to give up

How do we know these pics were really taken shortly after the crash ?

And WHY wont they release the surveillance videos from that time ?

Look at this again WHAT ARE THEY HIDING ???

Bush, Cheney Prepare for 9/11 Questioning

By Mike Allen and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 28, 2004; Page A08

President Bush has met with White House aides and has been consulting with Vice President Cheney in preparation for Bush and Cheney's appearance before the Sept. 11 commission tomorrow morning, administration officials said yesterday.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush's aides have decided not to allow a recording or make a transcription of the appearance, in part because of the classified information that will be discussed. The 10-member commission will be allowed to have one staff member present to take notes.


The decision, following a practice President Ronald Reagan used in 1987 when appearing before a commission probing the Iran-contra matter, removes the possibility that the transcript would become a political issue and precludes any subpoena.

White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales and another lawyer from the counsel's office, who will take notes, will appear with Bush and Cheney, officials said. Commission interviews with former president Bill Clinton and vice president Al Gore were taped, but not all of the more than 1,000 other interviewees agreed to recordings, officials said.

The great care being taken by the White House -- it has required that the two men appear jointly, in private, and not be under oath -- reflects the political and governmental significance of tomorrow's meeting. The White House originally sought to limit the time of questioning and number of questioners. Bush has so far weathered the inquiry well, according to public opinion polls.

His appearance with Cheney is one of the last major steps the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is taking before it issues a report this summer in the midst of the presidential campaign.

Bush and Cheney have done joint preparation, some of it by phone, according to a senior administration official. Bush has also been preparing for his testimony with Gonzales, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. "I expect he will continue to visit with those individuals over the next couple of days," McClellan said. "And the counsel's office provided him some materials from that time period to look over. And he will continue to look over some of those documents from that time period to refresh his memory."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer


Gonzales is another "buddy" Bush hired on because he got him out of a DUI once.

This is another case of the conspiracy theorist state of mind. Apparently, because you don't have proof that the pictures were taken immediately after the crash, you assume that all the pictures are fake. Well you know, I don't have proof that Greenland is real either. I've never been there, I don't know anyone who's been there, and we have no proof that it wasn't drawn on the maps on purpose to hide the real secret. Satellite photos, videos, all could have been faked, orchestrated by the governments of the world.

Is that the type of logical thinking we should all have?

I challenge anyone to tell me EXACTLY what kind of proof they would need to convince them that the 9/11 attacks were NOT an "inside job."

Your'e assuming that I'm assuming.................... I'm at 50/50 right now.
But sure don't trust the "Bushmonkey"

Oops just noticed you didn't answer my questions.
If you can't ,can someone else give me a good answer ? Pretty please with a "real" cherry on top ?!

the official 9/11 report is the real conspiracy theory... there is no evidence to back up the official story. None.
Everything they claim has been debunked by experts, and a little common sense.
A few guys with boxcutters took over 4 planes?... really? box cutters? HOW SCARY!!!!!!
LOL im gonna give the benefit of the doubt to you skeptics and assume you dont kno what box cutters are.

That would be the type of knife with a very sharp blade between one to four inches long which has a documented history of being used in muggings, attacks and even for murder? Yeah, how could something like that possibly be intimidating.

I think people are coming around to the idea that there is a lot more to 9,11 than meets the eye.
here in Finland on national tv last monday they showed mysteries of 911, and tuesday night at 7.30 they showed loose change.
Someone in the tv station must belive the people need to know.
Has loose change been on national tv where you live, thats a question out of curiosty.

Read this about the WTC 1993 attack. it says Salem has recordings with the FBI.(I'll do some more research)
If this is true about false flag operation then i doubt the 9-11' official story is true.

Allegations of FBI foreknowledge

In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad A. Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.

Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. [11] He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers; reported by Ralph Blumenthal in the New York Times, Oct. 28, 1993, section A,Page 1.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing
In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks.[citation needed]


Was the 1993 WTC sting operation a false flag operation ?

of course its true-- the "fbi" officers name was "john anticev" and the prosecuting attorneys which were instrumental in allowing the truth to be swept under the rug was none other than john roberts(current supreme court chief justice) and bejamin chertoff-- this is really old news i have to ask if you have seen"9/11 the road to tyranny"?...if not its available for free view at google video-- awesome info on 95 oklahoma inside job too

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