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marduk
QUOTE(TheGreatWhiteHorse @ Jul 4 2005, 08:34 PM)
QUOTE(panther10758 @ Jul 4 2005, 07:34 AM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 01:49 AM)
there were no demons before the fall 0f lucifer, if there was i have never heard of them, there were angles who came to earth and mated with the females on earth thus making god very mad;but they had not fallen then that is the story i have always heard.
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Ok so did fall of Lucifer take place before Man? I thought problems between God and Lucifer involved Man therefore Lucifers fall took place after man meaning no demns until then. Which suggest Lilith could NOT have taken up with demons see how I got confused!?
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The Judeao-Christian story of the fall of Lucifer takes place before the creation of Adam and Eve and Eden. ..hence lucifer in the garden in serpent form trying to corrupt God's new creation. Lucifer, it is reported, was God's right-hand man and thought himself God's equal, seeking to rule, (much like Lilith, eh?) and God banished him, along with the angels that sided with him. He's spent the rest of this time trying to screw with mankind.
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Wasn't written that way though was it.
The garden of eden isn't a christian story.
The fall is
the original garden of eden story predates christianity.
Lilith isn't a demon. She was demonised by Jewish Propoganda. so she's not like satan at all unless you're saying that Satan is a good guy that has been demonised by Christianity
that makes a lot of sense and actually has some truth in it
One religions gods are the nexts demons.
its that simple.
When christianity falls from grace Jesus in his turn will be demonised
bet on it
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Oh here's a Map fragment which is pre christian in origin that shows the tree of life and the serpent. The map dates from pre 3000bce.
isis-999
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Jul 4 2005, 05:00 AM)
ooooh looks leike we have another ashley here. seiko. chat so someone called ashley star child about enoch
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i hope are not talking about me , i am in no way like ashely, and there are those here who know that :!!!
marduk
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Jul 3 2005, 05:01 PM)
looks like my soul will be fine....
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Yes your's is fine;its Marduk were after right now, isn't that right big boy!! laugh.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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My souls got protection
I might take yours though devil.gif
isis-999
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 4 2005, 04:24 PM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Jul 3 2005, 05:01 PM)
looks like my soul will be fine....
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Yes your's is fine;its Marduk were after right now, isn't that right big boy!! laugh.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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My souls got protection
I might take yours though devil.gif
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HA!HA! yes that may be so w00t.gif laugh.gif devil.gif
marduk
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 4 2005, 04:24 PM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Jul 3 2005, 05:01 PM)
looks like my soul will be fine....
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Yes your's is fine;its Marduk were after right now, isn't that right big boy!! laugh.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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My souls got protection
I might take yours though devil.gif
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HA!HA! yes that may be so w00t.gif laugh.gif devil.gif
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Whats your stated Religion Isis ?
I'll accept Egyptian Orthodox if you don't want to answer ?
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isis-999
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 4 2005, 05:26 PM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 4 2005, 04:24 PM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Jul 3 2005, 05:01 PM)
looks like my soul will be fine....
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Yes your's is fine;its Marduk were after right now, isn't that right big boy!! laugh.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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My souls got protection
I might take yours though devil.gif
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HA!HA! yes that may be so w00t.gif laugh.gif devil.gif
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Whats your stated Religion Isis ?
I'll accept Egyptian Orthodox if you don't want to answer ?
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that will work, but you know my feelings on religion we have already been thru this, laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif innocent.gif
marduk
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 10:29 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 4 2005, 05:26 PM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 4 2005, 04:24 PM)
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 4 2005, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Jul 3 2005, 05:01 PM)
looks like my soul will be fine....
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Yes your's is fine;its Marduk were after right now, isn't that right big boy!! laugh.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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My souls got protection
I might take yours though devil.gif
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HA!HA! yes that may be so w00t.gif laugh.gif devil.gif
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Whats your stated Religion Isis ?
I'll accept Egyptian Orthodox if you don't want to answer ?
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that will work, but you know my feelings on religion we have already been thru this, laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif innocent.gif
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You think if I phone the smirnoff factory they'll be able to tell me where i can find my memory ? blush.gif blush.gif tongue.gif
isis-999
ok that is my bust i forgot that small fact laugh.gif we will just go with egyptian orthodox, that will work w00t.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
TheGreatWhiteHorse
Yeah, Marduk, I meant that the story of Lilith (aspiring to be an equal to another being, getting busted and being banished, seeking revenge) closely mirrors that of Christianity's Satan/Lucifer. Funny how the idea of equality and the implementation of actions to bring it about are always met with some retribution in the Bible. Doesn't seem very...fair. hmm.gif
marduk
QUOTE(TheGreatWhiteHorse @ Jul 5 2005, 12:10 AM)
Yeah, Marduk, I meant that the story of Lilith (aspiring to be an equal to another being, getting busted and being banished, seeking revenge) closely mirrors that of Christianity's Satan/Lucifer.  Funny how the idea of equality and the implementation of actions to bring it about are always met with some retribution in the Bible.  Doesn't seem very...fair. hmm.gif
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lol thats the whole point of the bible.
Do as you're told or you'll get punished.
nobody ever got away with anything in it did they ?
Apart from Mary of course.
what a whopper
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Falco Rex
I don't know..King David got away with just about everything, including having someone killed in order to marry his wife..
And he died in his bed of old age..
So what did Old Dave have that everybody else didn't? God sure spoiled him.. laugh.gif
isis-999
QUOTE(Falco Rex @ Jul 4 2005, 07:59 PM)
I don't know..King David got away with just about everything, including having someone killed in order to marry his wife..
And he died in his bed of old age..
So what did Old Dave have that everybody else didn't? God sure spoiled him.. laugh.gif
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the world at his feet for awhile, but was he really happy,
Bahamut_0
I didnt had the trouble to search the other pages so i dont know if someone as posted this before, if so i apologize: the only thing i know is that she "married" Samael, the angel of death, this couple was the very symbol of evil before the devil became it. what hapened to them after that i dont know...
Carla
wow i had no idea about her thats ssooo interesting grin2.gif
isis-999
there is also a myth about her being the mother of all vampire's,
panther10758
If this was indeed removed from Bible it would be Catholics who did so as they believe divorice a sin! Regardless I find story VERY interesting.
isis-999
QUOTE(panther10758 @ Jul 6 2005, 10:58 AM)
If this was indeed removed from Bible it would be Catholics who did so as they believe divorice a sin! Regardless I find story VERY interesting.
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I do not think you will find many fans of the catholic religion here; there are so many facts about the bible and the history of Jesus,they have changed to fit what they want us all to believe. innocent.gif
Eugene Lipschitz
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there is also a myth about her being the mother of all vampire's

I've never heard of Lillith before but I guess Adam and Eve were cranking out the kids faster that Lillith could get to them. w00t.gif You're right Isis, "myth" was a good call.
sublime_serenity75
QUOTE(doink @ Nov 26 2003, 10:38 PM)
I'm surprised Adam didn't let Lilith ride on top! He didn't know what he was missing! Yeehah!!!
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All humor aside, this "episode" is quite telling of the Freudian subconscious of the village elders and church leaders who wrote about it unsure.gif -they transferred their fear unto her and made her a good scapegoat. Kind of makes you wonder about her perspective regarding the whole thing. hmm.gif
Ancient World Wonders
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This question is referring to the birth of Adam's first wife. How come there are different stories of her creation? Wasn't she created from one of Adam's ribs? Not clay.
marduk
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Jul 6 2005, 11:00 PM)
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This question is referring to the birth of Adam's first wife.  How come there are different stories of her creation?  Wasn't see created from one of Adam's ribs? Not clay.
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Oh boy someone needs to study Judaic tradition
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She wasn't created from one of Adam's ribs. No. heeheehee.
you'd be surprised.
do ya really wanna know ?
isis-999
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 6 2005, 06:03 PM)
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Jul 6 2005, 11:00 PM)
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This question is referring to the birth of Adam's first wife.  How come there are different stories of her creation?  Wasn't see created from one of Adam's ribs? Not clay.
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Oh boy someone needs to study Judaic tradition
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She wasn't created from one of Adam's ribs. No. heeheehee.
you'd be surprised.
do ya really wanna know ?
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It will do you no good he wont believe you, but go ahead and try, blink.gif
sublime_serenity75
Hey!, that's my avatar!!. angry.gif Give it back!. tongue.gif
Pilgrim Shadow
Lilith musta gotten the world's crummiest alimony deal, what with God being Adam's divorce lawyer!
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isis-999
QUOTE(sublime_serenity75 @ Jul 6 2005, 08:07 PM)
Hey!, that's my avatar!!. angry.gif  Give it back!. tongue.gif
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it is ok i do not think they want it really, w00t.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
marduk
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 6 2005, 11:48 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 6 2005, 06:03 PM)
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Jul 6 2005, 11:00 PM)
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This question is referring to the birth of Adam's first wife.  How come there are different stories of her creation?  Wasn't see created from one of Adam's ribs? Not clay.
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Oh boy someone needs to study Judaic tradition
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She wasn't created from one of Adam's ribs. No. heeheehee.
you'd be surprised.
do ya really wanna know ?
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It will do you no good he wont believe you, but go ahead and try, blink.gif
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Some of you guys Think that adam and eve were the first couple.
some of you guys think that adam and lilith were the first couple
but in truth adam and lilith were one joined creature. ADAMLILLITH had the one body with features of both male and female. adamlilith was a hermaphrodite, and then god realising his error seperates the entity into two bodies.
In the original story its about 3 seconds after she is given a body Lilith leaves Adam and the garden starting a new tradition amongst females that has survived to this day w00t.gif
And god didn't throw her out. She called God by his secret name which forced him to let her go.

So in the original tale you have a strong minded female and a god who isn't all powerful and all knowing. Little wonder that Catholicism edited it.
This is also the reason that Hermaphrodites are regarded as sacred amongst judaic tradition.
did you get that A.R. ?
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maracova
THERE IS A BOOK TITLED: THE BOOK OF LILITH.WRITTEN BY BARBARA BLACK KOLTUV,PH.D..PUBLISHED BY NICOLAS-HAYS,INC.IT WILL ANSWER EVERY QUESTION ABOUT LILITH.ANY GOOD OCCULT STORE WOULD GET IT FOR YOU.
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