police say there is no such thing as a perfect crime,, i disagree a perfect crime is undectatble, someone goes missing never seen again maybe someone murdered them and was never associated with the crime therefore perfect crime. if im using public transport and dont pay my fare intentionally and get away with it , isnt that a perfect crime..
any thoughts

Ther are alot of crimes people committ that are'nt ever prosecuted.
I never quite thought about the dine and dash being a perfect crime, but I guess if you're not caught, then it is. The bus fare thing was just great- I've actually seen people do this

hehehehehehehe i know i used to do the fare thing on the trams in holland and finland... im the perfect criminal...hehehheheheheehe

perfect crimes are every where, the boys in blue just doesn't like looking bad.

I guess it really depends on how you look at it.

If you look at it in a 'legal' respect then, there is such a thing as the perfect crime. Otherwise there would be no unsolved crimes in the world.

But if you look at it in a 'karma' type way, not saying that I believe in karma, but maybe those that do get away with murders or other crimes, do end up coping it (punished) in some other way, either physically, emotionally, spiritually etc...

Just a thought.....

Of course there are perfect crimes. Hundreds of them are pulled off every day, all over the world, whether they be big or small. Not being caught shoplifting or not being caught for murdering someone are both perfect crimes. There are likely more people getting away with things like this than there are people being caught.

People get caught because they can't keep their mouths shut.

there are loads of perfect crimes. if u dont get caught its a perfect crime

i was about to say the same thing!!!

That and they do stupid things that get them caught. Like leaving I.D at the secne of the crime.

Oh yeah, of course but the biggest thing that gets people caught it talking. People brag about their crimes and get caught when they do. Also that's the point of interrogation. It works because people can't keep strum.

I agree.. people just cant keep their mouth shut.

Agree that the perfect crime is possible, if I catch a plane now to Quebec and then travel y road or rail to Alberta, Canada and murder some dude or chick there and potter about for a few days before flying back to SA no one will ever associate me with the killing.

Coldethyl and Xyfer and others are right - the killers can't keep their mouths shut that's why they get caught.

Now to another question: If you could get away with the pefect crime (and obviously notions of paying for your deed via karma aside) would you kill and who would you kill?

I have been smoking awesomly illegal plant materials for years and never arrested though so i guess i have been committing many 'perfect crimes' for years. I also know a guy who stole a canoe from wal-mart never got caught......

You have psych damage in this life, karma aside.
Every action you take creates folds on the brain and memories that your subconscious dwells on, even if your conscious mind is capable of repeatedly pushing it aside.
Behide all of the BS bravado, killers create their own type of hell to live in.
Except sociopaths. Sociopaths are a whole nother story.

The people who can,won't.

The people who can what won't what??

Huh?

O.J. got away with his murders. Far from perfect, but he's playing golf right about now.

Yeah he did. He didn't get away in civil court tho.

There is a vast difference between not being caught, and not being able to be caught. The perfect crime isn't defined by anyone that evades capture. The perfect crime is one that is impossible to be detected. That being the case there is no such thing as a perfect crime. No matter how thoroughly planned, no matter how well executed, evidence will be left behind. That's not to say the said evidence will be sufficient to prosecute or even locate the criminal, but it does prevent it from being "Perfect".

The people who commit the perfect crime won't commit it.

Oh. I get what you're saying but I don't agree. I think that some people who commit crimes can be very meticulous.

It didn't make a damn bit of difference. He owes the 33 million and ain't payed a dime and never will. Dosen't punish him in the slightest.

Two of the most notorious serial killers in modern history, jack the ripper and the zodiac killer, got away with their crimes, despite heavy publicity and manhunts. I would say those are pretty perfect.

I <3 perfect Crimes. Stealing Cattle! or scamming hehe

BLOODY well said a4mula!!! That's exactly it.

Just making a statement.

Hi, just bumping this haha, cos i've been thinking.

Me and my mum like to watch all the "forensic detectives" "CSI" "FBI files" etc. etc.

Maybe not in CSI, but in the other forensic science programmes it basically "gives away" all the possible traces and ways of finding evidence from a crime scene. Me and my mum always say to eachother, one day, from all of the information on programmes like this, someone is going to become clued up on exactly what to use what not to use, what to avoid etc. someone will compile all this stuff and commit the perfect crime. Ok maybe not perfect but they will use this to their advantage. Just what we think.

Two can keep a secret,,if one is dead.

Not to sure about the perfect crime being a crime undetected. Who would know when one had been committed and that it is unsolved? Even if this was the definition, I can't imagine how much shop lifting and things along those lines that are committed everyday unnoticed.

For a perfect crime, murder in this case, you'd have to eliminate certain forensic elements (which I in no way profess to know in their entirety; but heres a few that stick out)

Most important, the will to kill without remorse. If your conscience wont let you do something like that, then you will subconsciously sabotage yourself. That, i believe would be the hardest part of pulling off the perfect murder. I dont know anyone (thankfully and hopefully) cold, calculating or downright evil enough to do something like that. I pride myself on being and associating with people, not monsters!

Motive: which you could eliminate, or at least shed doubt on by making it a completely random person with no ties to you at all

Opportunity: make it happen somewhere that it would be likely for ANYONE to have done it

Weapon: ive had many debates about the merrit of an "Icicle stabbing". no weapon, no prints, no receipts, etc

Obviously, there would be minute forensic evidence that couldn't be eliminated, like hairs, those pesky ever present carpet fibers, etc. But say it happened at a fair, or a carnival, or in a subway, somewhere where it wouldnt be unlikely for there to be countless forensic "red herrings" all over the victim.
The likelyhood of cold weather (a near necessity for an icicle stabbing) would probably mean that everyone would be in thick, insulating clothing, meaning you probably wont get hit with too thick a blood spray.
You couldnt do it right out in the open, but a darkened alley, or a rarely used bathroom could at least cut down on the likelyhood of witnesses.
And again back to that detatchment from humanity needed to kill another human. You have to be able to remain calm, to not run helter skelter (no pun intended) from the scene; to make sure the person is all the way dead or at least leave them in a very fatal condition so they can't identify you.
And the smarts enough to know that if you DID pull all of this off, you could NEVER tell anyone about it. You would have to be so inhuman that you would do all of this for the sole purpose of proving to yourself that you could do it, with no need to gloat or be boastful of your cunning.

I dunno. Thats just an "off the top of my dome" idea birthed when I saw this topic. Im not gonna do it, so feel free to pick apart at it or comment as you will. Wont hurt my feelings. oh, btw, see ya in december!

i dont think there is such a thing as perfect murder but there are things like perfect crime

Put aside the "Perfect Crime" because that is singular in scope. Anyone can pull off the theft of a candy bar from a convience store. The question should be, "Is there a Perfect Crime Spree?" Eventually, you will be caught if you continue your crime of choice. The police can make all the mistakes in the world, you on the other hand can't make one.

Perfection is undetectable? Otherwise, capital punishment is a perfect crime. Has anyone ever been suspected, charged or convicted of it?
What about imperfect legality? We're all guilty of that.

I read about the 'perfect crime'.

Shoot your neighboor's dog with a bio-degradeable tranquilizer with straw. You can't get caught for animal abuse, the dart degrades in the body, a straw isn't a lethal weapon. The perfect crime is a crime you can't get arrested for.

Ah, so the perfect crime is committing an act that you didn't know laws proscribed. Apart from the fact that your DNA is all over the drinking? straw.
You can get caught for animal abuse. You're under arrest.

Really now? Not if your wearing gloves.

What about your mouth and saliva?

A straw is a non lethal weapon. Why would they bust you for holding a straw?

I'd bust someone holding a straw just for kicks.

Then I'd make them dig a hole with a hair barrett.

Or possibly chop down a tree with a herring?

Well anyways. In my opinion, the perfect crime is one you cannot be busted for.

(This is strictly my opinion) I believe a perfect crime (Murder) is one deemed an "accident".

Explanation: The murder must look as if it was nothing more then a simple accident; giving no reason for an investigation. Case closed, perfect crime committed.

The perfect crime, lets see.....Hav'n $hit loads of $$$, that should ensure your bound to get away with anything.

the perfect crime is one without a motive. even if they have DNA from the killer, they need a suspect to compare it to. if you shoot someones face off, but keep your gun (as in dont dispose of it) they wont find it to trace it to you. if you just killed some stranger for no reason, you probably wont get caught, because they only come up with suspects based on a motive. family members, exes hitmen, all become possibilities for suspects. if you never even met the person, why would you kill them (aside from being a cold hearted bastard)? another good idea is to not strike more than once, because then they could compare the crimes by location or time to match your location at the time of the crime. in my mind that would be the perfect crime

Majority of murders are committed by someone that knew the victim-who would have motive to kill a total stranger? I understand why we question the intrapersonal family unit first, it rules out apparent motive- But, such cases as the Jon Benet Ramsey, this thinking was its' downfall. Yet another perfect crime committed, so far.

Of course there has been perfect crimes, thats why we don't hear about them, thats why they are perfect.

ha i agree with that

I don't think there is such thing as perfect crime. Let's say you do something illegal and for decades no one knows who did it. Well, it's just in our human nature to try and show people how clever we are and that's when bragging starts and then you get caught. One way or another people get caught.

You don't believe in the perfect crime?
Look no farther than the widespread success of "Reality TV"..

^ funny but very true