If there was scientific proof that God existed and God came to your house and said "Hey I'm real" would you worship him(if you didnt already?).

I personally wouldn't, I don't believe the actions God has done to be "just" or "good". Also, just because he created us doesn't mean we have to devote are lives to him.

You are a Orphan.. someone adopted you.. and you beleived he is your father.. suddenly one day your real father came.. and he proved legaly that he is your father.... how you feel? probality.. you feel love.. hate.. shocked.. suprised..

If there was sientific proof...I would still worship him, in the same way I do now

It would depend. Are we absolutely certain this is "God". Or could it be a higher entity (perhaps an alien with greater technology) who is trying to pass themselves off as God.

Assuming though that it is most definitely God, it would depend what this entity says. Does he say "worship me". Does he say "which God he is" - are there other gods? Is it the GOd of the Bible or of the Bhagavad Gita?

If it ever were that we could literally meet GOd (and prove that it was God), there would be plenty of questions that would have to be asked before I make the decision to worhsip him/her/it/they.

That said, since we don't at this point have the ability to converse with God, I will stick with my belief in a creator, and worship this creator with my whole being.

Hope that makes sense

Regards, PA

But PA why would you doubt the scientific proof??? If it where true and [possible..why wuld ANYONE who already puts in what most call -- blind Faith..into a God that has no proof...just because a bible says so...but if given REAL scienticif evidence...all of a sudden this believer, would say...ohh noo what if this is some trick?? what if it is evil?? what if it is evils LOL...but you see what I am saying??

A true believer who doesnt care for proof,,wont doubt the REAL hard core evidence in front of them

It depends, BM. If one believes in a particular God with particular traits, and they actually meet "God", and it does not meet their expectations, does one suddenly say "Oh I was wrong, my mistake - I worship you, O Lord whatever-your-name-is". Seeing is not always believing, and if it is believing, it is not always following (hey, that's catchy).

Without proof, we have only Faith. Our beliefs dictate our reality. If God suddenly turned up, though I currently have my belief of God, would this God fit my beliefs?

If this entity does fit my beliefs absolutely and completely, I'd be skeptical - because though I believe God has certain characteristics and traits, I also understand there is much I don't know about God. If God turns up and says "PA - you had it absolutely 100% correct", I know he'd be lying, because I don't know everything about God. Is he just trying to curry my favour?

If on the other hand, this entity says "PA - you got it wrong, I'm like this...." I'd have to seriously consider what he says, and then consider whether I like what he actually says.

Either way, it necessitates many questions I must ask, things I must know before putting my Trust in this being.

As I said in my last post, without such obvious proof of God, we all rely on our beliefs and opinions of God, which (though I believe mine to be correct) are not necessarily accurate.

Sorry for the length of this post, I'm trying to keep it brief, but it's not something I can keep to a couple of lines. Hope that clears things up

Regards, PA

When I speak of proof of God, I am speaking of the God in heaven, who has a son called Jesus...

I have FAITH...I don't care for real evidence...if I cared for it...I wouldnt be the believer i am today...would I?

If I saw real evidence.........I would STILL be the faithful believer I am today...I cant see me turning on God..all because I am a bit of a skeptic...no, I don't work that way....see there reason as to WHY I wont doubt the REAL evidsence....is because, I dont see God, as the bible protrays him, therefore I see God in a different light

If God turned up and said - Yo rob..you are so right about me............... who is to say you aint right...who is to say the few ideas you had on God, the ideas and thoughts you bottled up yourself, are not right?? can ANYONE prove this to you?? ..only God himself can PA......so you see...you dont know...you could well be right...there is not one single person on this earth can prove you wrong...that is FACT

Another thing you must ask yourself PA....what if you lived back in the times of our Lord Jesus Christ?? you have to ask yourself...if you did not read or hgave any knowledge of the bible..and you just met him for the 1st time.................would you doubt him, if he tried to tell you he was in fact the real messiah...son Of God??.....believe it or not...I would go as far as to say......................a lot of christians we know of today...would very much doubt this man Jesus, if they too lived back in the day....

OMFG, they need to put that on a T-shirt and hand 'em out at youth church rallies!
And I agree with PA, even being the apathist that I am, God would have some serious explaining to do. Somewhere in the ballpark of 10,000 years worth.

It all depends which God it is

If it's YHWH, the Old Testament God, then no way. Although I would hand him over to the UN to stand on war crimes charges (you read the OT again - some of the atrocities he committed against the supposed enemieis of his little gang of 'chosen people' were appalling! Talk about no mercy! ).

Obviously Jesus taught a very different message ('love they neighbour', 'turn the other cheek' - as opposed to 'worship me or die', 'an eye for an eye' etc) and I'd certainly respect his God.

But thinking about it, surely any God that requires worship is either arrogant or just plain insecure. Either way, not worthy of worshipping.

So best find me a God that requires no belief in His existence and makes no demands on any life form of His creation And then maybe I'll think about

Tell us ALL what the F stands for when added to OMG?? go on...
Is someone sore cuz I got to them? it shows LMAO

No, my sides are sore from laughing. "I have FAITH...I don't care for real evidence...if I cared for it...I wouldnt be the believer i am today...would I?" is the most unintentionally funny summary of Christianity I have ever heard. And I wasn't kidding it really does need to go on a T-shirt. <wipes the tears from his eyes> Christ that is funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Yes little DOES amuse the innocent or do you prefer...empty vessels, make the most noise??



REALLY?? how so?? I think it went over your head...I'll explain it to you Slowly..ok??


"I have FAITH...( look that word up sunshine and you may get it)...I don't care for real evidence (no I dont...it boils down to yes thats right...FAITH..or if it tickles your fancy you could say TRUST??).the lil part you left out ---> IF I CARED FOR IT....I wouldnt be the believer i am today...would I?" <---well IF I did care for EVIDENCE...whats the point in calling what I have a FAITH?? meaning trust..believe!!!!

If someone only cares for EVIDENCE...then they are NOT a beliver you silly goose LOL...they are SKEPTICS... yo stick that on a t-shirt while you are at it

Take a deep breath.
Better now?
I understood what you said, faith defies evidence, got that the first time around. But come to America, particularly down here in the ever-so-crazy South and there are believers galore who stringently adhere to version after whacko version of Christianity. They'll keep claiming the dinosaurs didn't exist even as you beat them about the head and shoulders with a 65-million-year-old reptile femur. They'll claim the rapture is coming on Christmas Day and when you point out it is December 26th, they'll just say it happened and nobody noticed (perhaps even break down and cry that they weren't one of the faithful taken up to meet Jesus in a starship). They stick to thier empty headed beliefs, no matter what the evidence to the contrary. I understand that you were simply defining your faith, but in doing so you summed up most believers in God. PA, Irish, and yes, even though you annoy the hell out of me, you, might be exceptions, but the bulk of believers will hold to the belief no matter how wrong they have been proven. That's why it needs to go on a T-shirt. It fits so many people. Never claimed it fit you.

Since we Deists believe in a “non-interactive” Creator, we would not worship him. We contend that his lack of interaction with his creations shows a singular lack of desire of being worshipped, so why waste our time.

LOL dude, I don't need to take a deep breath ...your posts did amuse me, and I found it fun to hit back

Now...I do know just how crazy it is in the south, I travel there every year....but see thing is, BM (yea that's me) don't give a monkies for religion....I dont give a toss for chuch...as for the bible...that to me is a work of fiction....if you put that on a t-shirt...the southern folk, would get kinna nasty.....and to let you in on a lil secret, I don't give a crap who likes it or not....I don't believe in the christian God, I don't think I ever will...see when you read my post before hand, you did (and dont deny it) think I was talking about the very same God the rest believe in...LOL people tend to make that mistake...I love it

Ohh and by the way...I am glad I annoy you, it's good that I do, it is fun, and to make you feel just that lil bit special...you annoy the living crap out of me too...I LOVE IT...do drop in again, wont you?? and next time, don't choke on your grits

Grits?! Grits?! Hell no, I don't eat sand.
And no, I didn't think you meant the same God, since no one believes in the same God, but you do seem to believe in a God, so you, like the Monkees, are a believer and subject to the same fallacies of faith as any other believer.

And there was me thinking you Texans loved your grits lol
Ok WTF is the MONKEES?? do tell...or is that slang dfor something else to cover up yet another typo??... And ohh dear, BM don't believe in the same God as a christian...that's just so sad, and it gets to you, lol doesnt it?? Because I believe in God in Heaven...Who has a son...Jesus...but I don't class him as a christian God..ohh my ohh my..aint that a shame...and when REALLY pisses SOME people off...is the fact, I don't have a lil label stuck to me, telling everyone, just what faith I follow *gasp* outrageous...just outrageous...tsk tsk BM Get over it!!!

You two are fighting over here to!
As I said in the other thread.

BM and Never, although your squabble is entertaining I have to ask you both to please get back on topic. Perhaps you can continue in PM and send me copies of this discourse for my personal amusement.
Now carry on!

Papa Irish

You really didn't get the Monkees reference? Wow, educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_a_Believer.
And for the rest, no I don't care what you believe. You are, however a believer, since you admittedly believe in a God, doesn't matter if it is the christian god or a jar of out-of-date Miracle Whip.
And take a deep breath, no one cares what you believe. If someone has a problem with it, it is on them not you. Retract the claws and behave. Sheesh.
See what I mean, Irish?
OK, I'll behave now.

if god was real and we had scientific proof, i still would not worship him. I worship no one i would not waste my life on my knees crying out how great my creator is

Wow Irish, since when?

Anyway, I sure as hell would worship God. I'd ask him a couple of favours every now then too.

Careful, Irish and I are the forum Ancient Ones...although he seems to be a little younger than me! Ye young whippersnappers need to listen to your wise old Elders - an' tha's a fact!

<Insert drool bibs and adult diapers joke here>

You really didnt give a toss for what Irsh said...

Ah! Were not that old Mako. By the way our old school buddy Moses is down at the local he’s buying!

Out of the goodness of my heart, I was trying to enlighten you to the UK's musical heritage. That anyone has grown up in the Western Hemisphere in the last 50 years and never at least heard of the Monkees is beyond mindboggling, well maybe not when you consider some people's level of self-absorbtion...


Amen on the OT God, Essan. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The OT God, to me, reads like an abusive parent. One with phenomenal powers.
Jesus, maybe but only if he agreed to drop the whole "eternal damnation" thing.
Buddha is the answer! he never wanted to be deified, his followers did it! Finally, the total answer: "Buddhist, buddhist was the correct answer."
Actually, any God that came back and demanded worship would have to answer some questions. And here are the top ten:
-- Where have you been? You're 10,000 years late!
-- Is there a heaven / hell? And is hell, in fact, Detroit?
-- Why are some people incapable of taking a joke?
-- How hard have you been laughing at all the "God visits us in UFOs" theories?
-- What about reincarnation? Am I going to return as Kiera Knightley's favorite panties? Please?
-- What parts of the Bible make you laugh? Here's my favorite: the concept of controlling one's urges, as given in the NT especially (that whole "as a man thinketh in his own heart, so is he" thing) when compared humanity's natural urge to procreate. Like monkeys. On Jim Beam and Viagra. Did you do that on purpose? Make ya laugh?
-- Where did the Koran come from? <pause> Oh really, you can get lost, too. <pause> Oh, Vicodan and White Zinfandel, that explains it.
-- Explain the French, because the rest of us have had about 2000 years and we are completely stumped.
-- Are these questions considered blasphemy, or, since I am created in your image -- you're a good looking man, by the way -- are you laughing with me, since laughing is the second fastest way to get close to you? <pause> Yes, I know the fastest way, I'm married. <pause> Sure, I'll watch a training video later.
-- Boxers or briefs.


Note: Yes I am joking. All readers please take a deep breath and relax before spouting off on a psychosis induced tirade. Yes, I believe in God, and I also believe two things about Him: When I laugh he laughs with me, and he knows I am not right in the head and forgives and loves me for it. So, please, those quick to offense, break your fingers, I've had enough today.

I still would not worship him. I would apologize for thinking that he was not real but that is all i would do. I don't want to grovel to anyone and the only people i'm going to keep reminding that i love and care about is my mom my dad my Partner and my children not some being who seems to CRAVE to be loved and worshipped.

I bet I'm there before ye! Scots are slow, but not when free drinks are concerned! Mako doesn't drink, but I am willing to be his designated (and much younger) drinker!

God deserves alot of praise because his judgement is lightyears ahead of any person and everything God said to his followers has come to pass if it were'nt for wickedness and darkness in the universe the world would be a better place.People today have forgotten about morals and what our Ancestors have left behind for us they turn a blind eye and say it was Aliens or evolution which gave us what we have today but it all leads back to God

Nostradamus was a Jew he had the Kabbala and his visions and predictions were uncanny in his own words he said 4 Angels would bring him news and he had the chart which shows the 72 main Angels with their posistions in Heaven.God does'nt want to be worshiped he just wants our praise and loyalty and we should all be following after Jesus and Mary our role models.

hey nobody likes a preacher

I ain'nt no preacher or joker like you I stand above you Hokuto you a mere mortal stuck on some anime fantasy stuff this threads about God not anime

damn what the hell happened to this place? i come back and people like this are on the forum

very childish of you


and i am saddened by the fact that your knowledge of other cultures is so low, to be as ignorant as you must hurt. Why insult my heritage, do you think anything from asia is from cartoons

Thats like posting this ....
If I was a real person would you be my friend?

Instead,..if you could be my friend.i would feel like a real person


Abecrombie.

wow.....god deserves our praise eh?well if you prove to me he exists.........i still wont praise him so seriously though, why did you get into the whole Nostradamus thing? no one was talking about him..... the thread just asked if there was proof would you worship god, it didnt say give us a story about a Jew who talked to angels. I agree with what Hotoke said. No one likes a preacher.

Leaving aside all the "proof" of god... I do have a question.



How do we know that his judgement is good?



How so?



Yes... evolution is the over-the-counter excuse for stuff people dont understand.

life is a wonderful thing and its like a gift but when there is no control over it then theres mayhem without God we would be nothing but hunters and gatherers squabling on what we are gonna eat.That was the way we were until the tree of knowledge of good & bad was put on Earth and humans of all the colours of the rainbow were taught how to read and write talk and act on what we think is right we all have a good concience & a bad one so we can make choices.
There seems to be alot of wickedness on Earth and if there is no balance then we and our Earth are screwed thats why we have God whether you choose to believe or not cause Nostradamus believed in the creator so did Einstien and look at their sucess where would you be without God the bible does'nt lie if you looking for answers.

I found my own answers with out the bible

like i said before, even if you proved god exists im not worshipping him. since everyone else quotes the bible im gunna post a little piece of the Satanic Bible

Book of Satan 1:10 "I gaze into the glassy eye of your fearsome Jehovah, and pluck him by the beard; I uplift a broad-axe, and split open his
worm-eaten skull!"

and 1:13 "The most dangerous of all enthroned lies is the holy, the sanctified, the privileged lie -the lie everyone believes to be a model truth. It is the fruitful mother of all other popular errors and delusions. It is a hydra-headed tree of unreason with a thousand roots. It is a social cancer!"


so that what i think about your "god" and again, who cares about Nostradamus and Einstien, just because they were succesful doesnt mean them believing in god was the reason

Thats why I said the Earth is screwed its cause people think they know right from wrong and when they end up in trouble or dead then they'll be kicking themselves.Back in the days religious beliefs outwayed science because of so much bloodshed people were turning to their Gods for guidence but the surprising thing is the true God was wroth with all the wicked people that whoever disobeyed him and his word would be severely punished by war famine pestilences.Sodom & Gormoah was totally annihalated for the place was filled with sodomites and unGodly people fire rained from the sky and those who would'nt change their ways died most horribly.

When Jesus was on Earth he promised he would return to punish those who refuse to repent of their deeds he is coming the signs are their a rail crash at Jesus station in Spain is more proof just like 911 watch for more signs don't be fooled by the hype for we know not what we have done until its to late

Just because their is something in existence that is more powerful then we could imagine doesn't mean we have to worship it. We can be grateful to a deity for creating us but we shouldn't spend our lives in devotion to it.

If god could come to my house and say "I'm real", I'd know he was a fraud! A real "god" doesn't need to proselytize like his believers do, in order to get attention.

Meanwhile I'll continue believing in something larger than the contrived fiction of fallible man made icon's possessed of psychotic tendencies and fascist morals, and honor in my own way, myself and the creation/created, in my present. Because at least it's as real as I can fathom and is worthy of respect, while being devoid of negative personality disorders that blight the definition of "divine" and garners a collective following largely because it's story tellers that made it come to life as "god", have manifest followers that are afraid not to believe because the impression they have been led to accept, scares them not to!

If god was real i would never be his disiple, I would still worship the elements, nature and the other forces.

He is and I do in the manner he wishes and which is natural to anyone who is joined closely with God.

The god of Abraham? Is that who you mean? No I wouldn't worship him I would kick him out of the house. My Gods have already revealed themselves to me and have warned me about the god of Abraham. In their case I would offer them some wine or beer and some cake or cookies. Oops I don't have any cake or cookies in the house. (On a diet.) Well maybe they would like a cigar.

I like Grits.

Cant I just see the ancient gods leaving your house; rubbing their stomachs, beaming from ear to ear and saying to one another as they return from whence they came; "Yeah that Darkwind knows how to throw a mean party! And have you ever seen one pantry with so many boxes of 'quick grits'!?"

Someone who gave his life for you, and you still wouldn't worship him? Well have a good time in hell.

Take

1/2 cup onion
1/2 cup green peppers
1/2 cup diced ham
Saute it and then spread in across bottom of a glass baking dish.

Boil one cup stone ground grits in chicken broth.
Pour grits over mixture and refrigerate overnight.

Heat up pan with hot oil and put two cups of cormeal in a small pan.
Whip up egg in large bowl.
Cut grits mixture into squares.
Dip into whipped egg and and coat with cormeal.
Fry till light golden brown.

Serve with scrambled eggs.

MMMMM, sounds delicious! Welcome back Bella!

Ty and I hope you try it.
It really is good and a great change from the usual.

First off, we have no proof that fire rained from the sky, and second off, even if it did, it could have been meteorites