It's going to be caused by a meteor crashing into earth. It will cause an earthquake rating 12 on the richter scale.



Around 1/3 of the worlds population.



World War 3



The continent of Africa.

Here is a better list WITH the reference sources: "WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"

I'm sorry that this got flamed. I'm very passionate about this topic. The reason why I called out the Church of Rome was to draw a line at the accusation that Christianity is a violent religion. No its not. The Church of Rome is more guilty of bloodshed than any other establishment, even the Nazis. Over the course of time, millions were murdered to protect the authority of the Papacy. When I said 'they,' I did not mean Catholics. I meant the Papacy. Its is 'they' who justify the burnings, beheadings, and tortures that were attributed to the demand for complete obedience to an ignorant leader. I accused the pope of blasphemy because it is the same accounts that Jesus accused the Pharisees and teachers when they sought to keep the Kingdom to themselves. The pope wanted to rule on earth, that is what the Papacy was for.

You see, in 1123, the First Council of the Lateran decided that the pope and the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire would share mutual authority over the spiritual and temporal realms. However, by the close of the 12th century, the pope gained more favor with the people. It was by his influence that they set the Church of Rome (moreso, the Roman See) as the superior authority in the empire. People started following the orders of the pope. At last, the pope had gained the most influence over the emperor and the Papacy was at its greatest. Pope Innocent III did not hesitate to use that power and issued a decree to snuff out the Waldenses, who clearly ignored the Church's order to not preach with out a liscense. Then the Cathars and Anabaptists soon joined them at the stake.
The Bibles they had were burned and they were given a choice to either suffer at the hands of the inquisition or convert to the Roman Catholic Faith.

The thing that bothers me is that they justify this. That is why I have a problem. Now, I can see how you wouldn't hold it to them, seeing that you come from the Roman Catholic Faith and I don't. But look at the blasphemies. If I sin against you, only you can forgive me. So if someone sins against God, who can forgive those sins in place of God? No one. Only God can forgive those sins. The first time this happened was in A.D. 257, after the Decian and Valerian persecutions, when the priests in Rome who denied Jesus Christ to save their lives wanted back in the priesthood at the Church of Rome. The Bishop of Rome, Cornelius I, proclaimed that he had the authority to forgive such sins as apostasy. Well, this was the start of it, and it gained popularity. Once you have the power to forgive sins, and you are given the seat of authority over all of Rome, what can stop you? Religious truth. Thus, anyone who attempted to expose the truth about Christ's Supreme authority on earth were killed.

Can you see why I don't call the Church of Rome a Christian Church? If they repented and stopped justifying their actions, it would destroy the Roman See. They can't have that, so they won't repent. And thus are the murders of the millions in the past not justified. God is a God of Justice as well and justice must be met.

I'm not holding on to the past, I'm demanding the truth. The truth would destroy the Church of Rome. The truth is supposed to set us free. It condemns those that blasphem the God of truth.

Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest and even he saw the Papacy for what it really was and was disgusted. It is disgusting how much they pervert the truth of God and justify killing all those innocent people.

Yes, the Protestant men accused the midwives of being witches to cover up their wicked deeds, but that truth was found and justice was met. We don't justify that anymore. We don't justify cruelty and deception. You see why I feel this way. I'm in PA right now and I don't have time to go into the Bible, but I will send you a message explaining the Bible prophecies when I get home. I'm not saying I'm right and that I am an authority on interpretation. What I'm saying is give it a chance and decided for yourself.

Thank you Blue for the reply..and yes send me more if you like...that will be cool..and I mean that...cuz through the info I can get to understand you more and more...and I mean that too.....if its ok by you Blue I have this post copied and pasted into a folder...its worth reading...thank you



No no no Blue does not think like you LOL see Blue has what we call intelligence..see??


only joking dont take it the wrong way exeller LOL

Actually you're right. He's a christian, I'm a bahai. He believes in hell, I don't. different.

What religion has not done bad things in the name of their religion. I would agree Christianity has done more bad things then they should have, but what about the people who believe in the occult or esoteric beliefs. They are responible for more death and destrution then anyone on this earth.

Do you know about the new age and "the plan" to create a world government and world religion under the world teacher soon to appear. That's the purpose of the UN, to prepare the world and it's people for the emergence of Maitreya.

"One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death."
--Psychologist Barbara Marx Hubbard (Theosophist) - member of Task Force Delta; a United States Army think tank

You need to look deeper, in charge of the world body currently.

Have you heard of Lucifer Trust (Lucis Trust)? they print the stuff for the U.N. and give them advice on spirituality. Here's some quotes from Alice Bailey another theosophist like the person in the quote above who founded the group. Check out the website

http://www.lucistrust.org/

If you want to learn how the antichrist will appear in the name of peace and world brotherhood, the theosophists are what you need to research.

“The new world order must meet the immediate need and not be an attempt to satisfy some distant, idealistic vision. The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.

In the preparatory period for the new world order there will be a steady and regulated disarmament. It will not be optional. No nation will be permitted to produce and organize any equipment for destructive purposes or to infringe the security of any other nation.

We are concerned with only one subject, the ushering in of the new world order.

...the present world order (which is today largely disorder) can be so modified and changed that a new world and a new race of men can gradually come into being. Renunciation and the use of the sacrificial will should be the keynote for the interim period after the war (WWII), prior to the inauguration of the New Age.”

-- Alice Bailey: Quotes From Various Works

By the way, if you think all the chaos that is happening today is because Bush is a Christian, you should know he's a wolf in sheeps clothing.

I believe that hell is the grave and that we all sleep until the resurrection, which ever resurrection we deserve.

What? you're going to have to explain further, cuz that's confusing.

Why is this thread so long?
The answer is simple.
The Church has stood in the way of human development, when it wanted, simply because it can.
The sheer number of believers in Christianty currently make them a powerful political bloc. Not to mention all those centuries when the Catholic Church had all the money and power and could just run rampant.
In short: the Church has always had the means to do what ever the Hell it wanted for it's own ends. Using the Bible to justify those actions is just a backing move, the important point is to look at how the Church benefits from blocking progress (i.e. having it's dogma disproven, or its secular power weakened).

Note: It is pointless to argue about the reality of anything connected to God, since His existence is a matter of faith and therefore cannot be proven or disproven. Before stating that He has planned out the whole of human history, one has to prove His existence. And since that cannot be done, the argument is moot.

Who cares about human developement. Lives have been lost because of it, that's the worst.

It's terrible, but the effects of even genocide do not last as long as cultural genocide and enforced ignorance. Galileo anyone? The Greeks knew the solar system was heliocentric, but the Catholic Church denied it for more than a thousand years, because it contradicted their dogma that the earth had to be the center of the universe since they were on it. Imagine what kind of world we would have if the knowledge of the ancient Greeks and Egyptians could have been utilized instead of shunned because it came from "heathen" sources.

lol ok.....

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*Looks down at computer*
OK........

Ok I get it I'm an idiot.

As Herne the hunter said...
"Act without thinking"... you're just unpredictable, amigo... keep it up... you could be the "howling mad murdock" of UM

the original term for the greek word, hell, is HADES. It was the underworld where the spirits of the dead lie. But since the OT doesn't describe a soul seperate from the body, but that the body is the soul, it would appear that Hades would be the grave. And there we 'sleep' the sleep of death until we are awoken by resurrection. The other references that some make of hell is the actual 'LAKE OF FIRE' in which there is eternal torment of the soul. What I believe this to describe is permanent death in which there is no consciousness and no senses. The torment is being seperated from God forever while the faithful live in peace and joy forever. It says that God will create a new heaven and new earth, even in the OT. What would be the purpose in keeping the sinners in torment. The pain isn't everlasting, the destruction is. That means you rejected all chances of living forever. I hope this helps explain my belief. What do you think.

Amen !!!! Thank you so much for your post.

Here we go again with " The bad people that are always in charge of christianity are simply evil, wicked men who are not actualy christians!" Isn't it funny how so many leaders of christianity were evil and wicked. What I find even funnier is that every single time the "real christians", the common mob, chooses to blindly follow these evil leaders and do all they are told. When will you christians stop telling that your leaders were actualy not christians, when all you did yourselves was follow the evil words...

G.W.Bush for example. He is an American and has caused a lot of bad things, but you don't call him a bloody Mexican for it! Just like that the "evil men" in charge of christianity are/were christians. They just belonged to the bad part of christianity, which unfortunately is a lot bigger than the good part.

On the subject of heaven and hell, I believe Bluefinger is quite correct. While many churches have used the concept of heaven and hell as immediate reward or punishment for their followers, there is not a skerrick of biblical evidence for this. The bible is quite clear. If you read it, let alone study it you will see that with very few (a handfull) of exceptions, everyone who has died is sleeping/not conscious of anything.
(This also plays havoc with some peoples' perceptions of ghosts, spirits etc, who cannot be the souls of dead people, if you believe what the bible is saying, but that is another issue.)
From memory, there are two resurrections, separated by a fixed period of time . After the second, all the damned will go to destruction. (which may simply be a state of non existence,) while the saved will return with the heavenly city to earth. The trouble is that everyone interprets the symbolism of the bible in different ways, rather than just accepting a literal intepretation of its truth. Thus the adaptation of old beliefs about hades and hell (both constructs from other religions) to terrorise believers. Why wasn't the original Bible message of eternal life, if you were saved; or non existence, if you were damned, enough?. My suspicion is that life was so tough, over the ages, that the rewards and the punishments had to be exaggerated and made more immediate by churches, to make belief worthwhile.

What about those who get cremated??

That is if we are resurrected at all



Not likely, seems kind of stupid.



Hell = spiritual death

Heaven = spiritual life



So then that would mean one could enjoy the torment of hell while still in the physical body.



No reason.



I think it's all good.

Does not the earth belong to God as well? I think if we choose to accept that God can cause a bush to light on fire without burning, then it should be that much easier for us to believe that he can reconstruct the body with the recorded life. IMO

Good answer ...thanks Blue

How many people who speak English know enough about Islam to make even one short statement about it? The reason they pick on Christianity is that they have nothing else they CAN pick on.

--DJS

Exactly. So, it's not right.

How many Muslims come in here and make absurd claims....and when they do.....who is the first to 'jump on them'?

They make their absurd claims elsewhere, trust me, have you live in a muslim nation?

I am. I question their "claims". I'm not at the throat of christianity 24/7.

Since when did Canada become a Muslim nation?

The question you should be asking is when did Iran become a muslim nation?

Your post leads one to think you were talking about Canada.


And since your profile says you are in Canada....

Yes Yes I'm sorry, I' like to clear up that I was born in Iran and lived there for a good portion of my life. So, yeah.

Thats 2 cheeseburgers, large fries, and a coak, please drive to the second window.

u done piss me off, why not islam you say, look around you, turn on the TV, its all about ISLAMS WRONG DOINGS, however this is pnly groups of muslims, and not a whole religion vs everyone else like christianity has been for AGES

If you are going to talk like that and lump all Christians together, then all that shows is that you are just as guilty in knowing nothing about the different types and cultures of Christians than many of those in the West are about the different types and cultures of moslems.

Your acusation is far to generalized. It's as silly as saying America is evil because of Vietnam. Or England is evil because of what happened in Africa. Or Germany is evil because of the holocaust. Christianity has involved humans for nearly two thousand years so of course it has a BLOODY past, starting from CHRIST on. What you can not measure is the good it has done. I will illustrate.

When some one doesn't kill because of Christian influence no one wrights down "1 point for Christianity."

Or when someone does not steal because of Christianity no one writes down "1 point for Christianity."

Therefore you can not possibly measure the good it has done for humanity.

And as far as scientific advancement. Religion is the reason for scientific advancement. If it were not for all those pesky religious people cramming it down peoples throats not to steal and kill the feudal mentality would make scientific advancement impossible.

I thought muhammed was the one ordering people to be stoned to death, not Jesus

Left to Christianity.....the Earth would still be the center of the universe!

That is just the start of a long long list.

LOL you're right, and funny. But on the other hand, muhammed encouraged islamics to look for cures to diseases. He said that God did not create a disease for which he did not make a cure. Anyway, islamics were also the first ones to use surgical tools, I think.

This is a foolish idea. Wake up to reality. Atheism and agnosticism are not the forerunners of science. Look back through history. Were the Egyptians atheists? Not at all yet they were very advanced medically and mathematically. And what about the greeks. Their science was greatly advanced. Hardly atheists. What about the Romans. Their civilization rivals our own. Was Ben Franklin or Ford or Edison or the Wright brothers atheists. NO. Einstein (although not officially christian) confirmed the possibility of GOD and the after life, and did not consider himself Atheist or agnostic. Even the Bagdad battery was found existing long before the cold grip of Atheism stole the scientific credit. The man credited as the godfather of biology was a extreme catholic.

Darwin the great Prophet of atheist evolution was in fact himself studying to become a priest. Showing Christianity did not even hinder this very controversial theory. In fact Christiaqnity is the source influence responsible for Darwins predisposition to search for the truth at all costs.

You patronize foolish ideas. You assume that if everyone decided to believe in GOD and JESUS that they are all just going to throw up their hands and give up their microscopes, books and telescopes.

Atheism and Agnosticism did not try to stifle science like Christianity did.


Neither were they Christians


And not all were Christians.


Some quotes by MR. Franklin:
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

"He (the Rev. Mr. Whitefield) used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard." Franklin's Autobiography

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the want of it."




From a correspondence between Ensign Guy H. Raner and Albert Einstein in 1945 and 1949. Einstein responds to the accusation that he was converted by a Jesuit priest: "I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life. I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist." "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from religious indoctrination received in youth." Freethought Today, November 2004

A few more quotes by him HERE



From the age of forty he was, to use his own words, a complete disbeliever in Christianity. He professed himself an Agnostic, regarding the problem of the universe as beyond our solution, "For myself," he wrote, "I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."
Charles Darwin [1809-1882] English naturalist

Have you ever read his biography?

Darwin even wrote of religion as a tribal survival strategy, though he still believed that God was the ultimate lawgiver. His belief continued to dwindle over the time, and with the death of his daughter Annie in 1851, Darwin finally lost all faith in Christianity. He continued to give support to the local church and help with parish work, but on Sundays would go for a walk while his family attended church. In later life, when asked about his religious views, he wrote that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally "an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind."[1]

SOURCE

Just one reference....

Look at what the church did to Galileo Galilei when he tried to say the earth was not the center of the universe......you don't think it still is do you?

Galileo was a Christian. When they locked him up did he blame Christianity. NO..he blamed the silly people running the church at the time. Check out his daughter above.

What does his daughter have to do with him and the church?

i dunno but she's pretty damn ugly. <- was that sentence an oxymoron? but yeah axis, that was random. care to explain? or is it that you post christian themed pics whenever you get a chance? nice avatar too, looks like some kind of flashing subliminal message image. another question, do you get paid to post here to advertise your religion with all these images and christian words in all caps? if not, you need a new hobby.

That's what I was thinking too Verax...can you explain as to WHY you posted a pic of his daughter??

i think she was a christian nun so i guess that might be the point of the picture but im not sure why?

He was christian. Read between the lines. If you have a problem with Christianity you don't send your kids to a convent. Unless of course your a serious hypocrite.

"Although he was a devout Catholic," quoted from the very link you gave me zandore. Don't just read what you want to read.

All religions are based on ignorant people being fooled by smart people, and that is the story, being it Christianity or Islam.

And that sound you heard was my point going over your head

Perhaps you should take your own advice "Don't just read what you want to read"

You just might overcome religion

Con artists?

where do you come up with this stuff ???

Muhammed is the one who introduced the WAR rules to his soliders, one of the first commanders that forbid killing, of inocent, children and woman,
burning of property, and so on,,,

OR so YOU say.......



Oh really?

The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."

A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle and Informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah's Apostle ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.

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