JOSHUA MAGE
Jan 5 2006, 03:01 AM
Ghosts are really astral shells, left over material from the nefesh that lingers.
Beckys_Mom
Jan 5 2006, 04:20 AM
I was once told (can't recall who from) that ghosts only appear because they don't believe they are dead
Yelekiah
Jan 5 2006, 04:27 AM
Was this from the Sixth Sense?
Hit the Lights
Jan 5 2006, 04:30 AM
Assuming God does exist, he would be in another demension.
Beckys_Mom
Jan 5 2006, 04:30 AM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Jan 5 2006, 04:27 AM) [snapback]1006027[/snapback]
Was this from the Sixth Sense?

LOL No...I heard it years ago now it's bugging me who it was that told me...darn it...all I remember was I was at a camp site with my fellow girl guides...back when my mom thought I should join the girl guides thinking it would make a lady outta me
EmpressV
Jan 5 2006, 02:41 PM
I could be wrong but I think the only people that see apparitions are the religious. I am one of those people who would love to meet up with one but they never come. Every one that I've spoken to that has seen one has been a believer in some entity. I do believe that they are an energy formed in the mind of a person and manifest themselves as ghosts or plasmic vapor. Usually it comes on with highly emotional states like fear, guilt, ect...
QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 2 2006, 07:13 PM) [snapback]1002235[/snapback]
then that nigga Yahweh could pay what he owe
You called God the "n" word?
God is everywhere.
He is inside us.
Like Yelekiah said he is omnipresent.
He can be here, there, everywhere.
^ Dr. Suess bible.
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 5 2006, 09:41 AM) [snapback]1006725[/snapback]
I could be wrong but I think the only people that see apparitions are the religious. I am one of those people who would love to meet up with one but they never come. Every one that I've spoken to that has seen one has been a believer in some entity. I do believe that they are an energy formed in the mind of a person and manifest themselves as ghosts or plasmic vapor. Usually it comes on with highly emotional states like fear, guilt, ect...
Has anyone close to you die?
They come back just to see you- I don't know about guilt. Or fear. Maybe love?
Beckys_Mom
Jan 5 2006, 03:26 PM
I have seen a ghost I was about 10 yrs old at the time and I will never forget it...it was the night after me and my lil friend desided to go to the gravyard and take home some of the fancy stones off some of the graves. That night I was woken from the sound of the tv from my dads room, I looked down towards the end of my bedroom and there was this old looking woman sitting on a chair, I kept looking at her I wiped my eyes, hid under the covers, I wanted to yell for my dad to come in but I was too scared to make a noise

I looked again and she was still there so I hid under the covers and prayed for her to go away and I will put the stones back, cuz thats what I figured she was there for...stealing the shinney stones from her grave
Next day before school I put them back and I never saw her again...in fact I haven't *touches wood* seen a ghost ever since that night
EmpressV
Jan 5 2006, 03:35 PM
I think you just proved my point, thanx
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 5 2006, 10:35 AM) [snapback]1006799[/snapback]
I think you just proved my point, thanx

But I seen my brother in the hallway and I didn't amke him angry.
What is it you think?
Beckys_Mom
Jan 5 2006, 03:42 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 5 2006, 03:35 PM) [snapback]1006799[/snapback]
I think you just proved my point, thanx

What point? sorry
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 5 2006, 10:42 AM) [snapback]1006813[/snapback]
What point? sorry

That evil made the ghost come to you.
Beckys_Mom
Jan 5 2006, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(101 @ Jan 5 2006, 04:04 PM) [snapback]1006839[/snapback]
That evil made the ghost come to you.
Ohh lol well I was just a kid and didn't think it was evil taking a few shinney stones...I thought the dead remained dead and wouldn't notice
EmpressV
Jan 5 2006, 05:15 PM
I didn't say it was from anything evil. The point was that you took something that didn't belong to you and you felt guilty. Not to mention that we are all afraid of the dead when we are young. That more than likely triggered the vision.
Gwyny
Jan 5 2006, 05:42 PM
alot of people claim that you see ghosts as an illusion...becuase either you want to, or your that scared and you believe it. well how do you explain this. I was 13 years old and my grandfather had passed away when i was 12 i was just drawing a picture of him then i looked up and he ws right there! I wasn't wanting him to show up i wasn't scared and i wasn't even thinking about ghosts....so why was he there?
EmpressV
Jan 5 2006, 05:44 PM
He was obviously foremost in your mind at the time.
enid
Jan 5 2006, 06:25 PM
God cannot be both a divine, loving Father and all-powerful.
If God exists, he is powerful but chooses not to act on it; he sees and could stop disasters but chooses not to, to convey some sort of 'message' by taking innocents... What message could that be? That we have forsaken Him? But why? Surely his intention should not be to punish us for going off the path, but bring us back, somehow?
Alternatively, he is all-seeing and all-loving but cannot stop disasters, in which case he is not the all-powerful Being the Bible would lead us to believe unequivocally. So which is it? Would we still worship God if we knew that he could not stop our pain? That prayers were futile, as all events are random?
Take for example the miners who died recently. Their families were told that all but one lived. They praised God for this miracle, for he had proved that he loved them and had saved them from this tragedy. However, upon discovering that this news was incorrect, they became disbelievers. They denounced God. Had he watched them, believing that their families were still alive when they were, in fact, already dead? Did he watch this, and let the mistake happen, or could he not control it?
Beckys_Mom
Jan 5 2006, 07:16 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 5 2006, 05:15 PM) [snapback]1006943[/snapback]
I didn't say it was from anything evil. The point was that you took something that didn't belong to you and you felt guilty. Not to mention that we are all afraid of the dead when we are young. That more than likely triggered the vision.
Thing was I didn't feel guilty because I figured the dead wouldn't know....besides I was just a young child back then and no clue it was wrong....I thought it was just wrong to steal from the living
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 01:42 PM
I don't know about you but when I was 10 I was very afraid of things like dead people, ghosts and the boogie man. I think everyone at that age is afraid. I lived very near a cemetary too and I thought I saw things in there all the time. I now know that it was my 10 yr old imagination.
the master theologian
Jan 6 2006, 04:08 PM
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IF GOD IS REAL, THEN WHERE THE HELL IS HE?
God is in space.
tupac amaru
Jan 6 2006, 04:29 PM
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God is in space.
Sorry to dispute you, but God transcends space and time!
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 04:34 PM
Again, god only exists in the mind of those that worship it.
the master theologian
Jan 6 2006, 04:59 PM
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God transcends space and time
I don't know which God you worship, but my God inspired a book called the Bible, and it says nothing in there about transcending time and space. It says that He lives in space.
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god only exists in the mind of those that worship it.
We will see.
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 11:34 AM) [snapback]1008490[/snapback]
Again, god only exists in the mind of those that worship it.

for God does not know those who do not know him?
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 05:03 PM
That makes perfect sense
the master theologian
Jan 6 2006, 05:31 PM
What is more wierd is that thousands of people are religious in their own way. Many believe christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc... Many many religions all looking for the truth. Millions of people believe. Funny how Curiosity is calling almost all people with faith delusional. You just insulted a lot of people. For as he said, "God only exists in the minds of those who worship it" Thats good people skills, man.

Respect others. Respect their religion. Don't tell them that they are delusional.

Have you heard the saying "Ignorance is bliss"??? Well,

just think of it that way, rather than thinking that we condemn you for not accepting our faith.
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 05:34 PM
And just how is this a dillusional statement norman? Is it not true? I believe it is.
Curiousity,
God could very well exist outside the minds of believers. How is it impossible?
Beckys_Mom
Jan 6 2006, 08:20 PM
QUOTE(101 @ Jan 6 2006, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1008611[/snapback]
Curiousity,
God could very well exist outside the minds of believers. How is it impossible?
Curiousity I have read a number of your posts and I have to say you have made a lot of sense but...I too would like to see your answer to 101's question ty
Gwyny
Jan 6 2006, 08:56 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 07:42 AM) [snapback]1008347[/snapback]
I don't know about you but when I was 10 I was very afraid of things like dead people, ghosts and the boogie man. I think everyone at that age is afraid. I lived very near a cemetary too and I thought I saw things in there all the time. I now know that it was my 10 yr old imagination.
I was not afraid and wasn't even thinking about ghost's or anything just that i missed my grandfather and i wished he was there even though i knew he couldnt be...so how does that make me afraid, or make me want to think he was there? Children see the boogie man andthings like that becuase they are scared, i wasn't scared so your opinions are of no relevance to my situation....sorry
Gwyny
Jan 6 2006, 09:05 PM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 11:34 AM) [snapback]1008569[/snapback]
And just how is this a dillusional statement norman? Is it not true? I believe it is.
No it's not true...to me no.....to you maybe...but not me. So if god only exsists in my mind then where do you go when you die? Becuase i'm planning on heaven...i refuse to believe the last thing place i will be is six feet under....
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 09:05 PM
QUOTE(101 @ Jan 6 2006, 02:10 PM) [snapback]1008611[/snapback]
Curiousity,
God could very well exist outside the minds of believers. How is it impossible?
Why don't you tell me how it's possible. I don't want to hear about flowers and birds. I want good tangible evidence that is is possible that this entity lives outside of your mind.
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 09:09 PM
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 6 2006, 05:05 PM) [snapback]1008803[/snapback]
No it's not true...to me no.....to you maybe...but not me. So if god only exsists in my mind then where do you go when you die? Becuase i'm planning on heaven...i refuse to believe the last thing place i will be is six feet under....
That all depends on how you chose your body to be interned. buried or burned
But you keep dreaming about the magical mystery tour I'm sure that will keep you happy til then. I hope you have a long wait.
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 04:05 PM) [snapback]1008804[/snapback]
Why don't you tell me how it's possible. I don't want to hear about flowers and birds. I want good tangible evidence that is is possible that this entity lives outside of your mind.
I have no proof really.
EmpressV
Jan 6 2006, 09:11 PM
Then you are saying I could be on to something?
Yelekiah
Jan 7 2006, 01:18 AM
No...Lack of evidence doesn't mean there is a lack of existence.
Beckys_Mom
Jan 7 2006, 03:01 AM
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 6 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1008803[/snapback]
No it's not true...to me no.....to you maybe...but not me. So if god only exsists in my mind then where do you go when you die? Becuase i'm planning on heaven...i refuse to believe the last thing place i will be is six feet under....
If there is no heaven when you die and you are 6 feet under....you wont know the difference
ShaunZero
Jan 7 2006, 05:00 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 05:34 PM) [snapback]1008569[/snapback]
And just how is this a dillusional statement norman? Is it not true? I believe it is.
I could also believe your a dumb ass, but I'm not going to start spitting it at you and saying these things.
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No...Lack of evidence doesn't mean there is a lack of existence.
Perfectly said.
Beckys_Mom
Jan 7 2006, 05:04 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1008804[/snapback]
Why don't you tell me how it's possible. I don't want to hear about flowers and birds. I want good tangible evidence that is is possible that this entity lives outside of your mind.
If she thinks it's possible then you don't have to agree (which I can clearly see you don't) but why not just respect it?
ShaunZero
Jan 7 2006, 05:07 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1008804[/snapback]
Why don't you tell me how it's possible. I don't want to hear about flowers and birds. I want good tangible evidence that is is possible that this entity lives outside of your mind.
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Jan 7 2006, 01:18 AM) [snapback]1009182[/snapback]
No...Lack of evidence doesn't mean there is a lack of existence.
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 7 2006, 05:04 AM) [snapback]1009521[/snapback]
If she thinks it's possible then you don't have to agree (which I can clearly see you don't) but why not just respect it?
Seriously.
the master theologian
Jan 7 2006, 05:14 AM
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jan 6 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1008804[/snapback]
Why don't you tell me how it's possible. I don't want to hear about flowers and birds. I want good tangible evidence that is is possible that this entity lives outside of your mind.
You told us to prove that God exists in reality and not just in our minds with tangable evidence. You said not to talk about birds or flowers. What you are asking is to disregard the actual evidence of a creator.
The only tangable evidence you will have is creation which was created by a creator. To deny that nature is creation, requires more faith, than to believe in a God, so therefore, I can only conclude that the issue here is't wether there is a God or if there is't. The issue is... Do you want to know. Your strong opposition is not driving me to conclude that you want logical answers. Saying that all creation is actually a happening of chance sounds more like you are in a state of opposition. In your mind you do not
wish that God existed. You hope that there is't a God. There is no evidence that God does't exist. And attempting to prove that creation is accidental is not proving your theory. Again, the issue is not with God, but with you. You might deny that beucase humans are all proud. We deny that we are wrong. Well, if you had an open mind, and took a leap of faith, maybe, just maybe you would not ask a question that requires no answer.
Is there a God? If there is't you would not be able to ask that question. This is my answer to you.
isis-999
Jan 7 2006, 05:15 AM
God is not about what you can see..He's about what you feel...Thats just how it is....I feel for all the people who try to say there is no God..Maybe your right..But what if your wrong..I'm not going to take any chance's..I feel him and he's love..I' always have....
Beckys_Mom
Jan 7 2006, 05:22 AM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jan 7 2006, 05:07 AM) [snapback]1009524[/snapback]
Seriously.
Seriously what?
the master theologian
Jan 7 2006, 05:23 AM
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Maybe your right
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I feel him and he's love..I' always have
Maybe you are confused about what you feel since you said "maybe you're right."
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God is not about what you can see..He's about what you feel
I disagree on that becuase God is physical in appearance. You can feel Him, yes, but you can also see Him. IF THERE IS A GOD, WHERE IS HE? He is in the sky.
ShaunZero
Jan 7 2006, 05:28 AM
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 7 2006, 05:22 AM) [snapback]1009553[/snapback]
Seriously what?
In other words, I agree with you.
Yelekiah
Jan 7 2006, 05:29 AM
Do you believe God is omnipresent, Norman?
Beckys_Mom
Jan 7 2006, 05:30 AM
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jan 7 2006, 05:28 AM) [snapback]1009560[/snapback]
In other words, I agree with you.
Seriously you do oh ok then
King Triad
Jan 7 2006, 05:31 AM
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 6 2006, 04:59 PM) [snapback]1008528[/snapback]
I don't know which God you worship, but my God inspired a book called the Bible, and it says nothing in there about transcending time and space. It says that He lives in space.
We will see.
i agree with norman he lives in space...he'll be here soon
Beckys_Mom
Jan 7 2006, 05:32 AM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Jan 7 2006, 05:29 AM) [snapback]1009561[/snapback]
Do you believe God is omnipresent, Norman?
I don't know about Norman...but I know I think God is everywhere...ahem thats just my opinion
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