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1667832
I found this info about different realms, that Sufi's believe in. A lot of it ties in with Buddhist beliefs too.

Alam-e-Hahoot (Realm of He-ness)
It can also be thought of as the Realm of pre-existence , i.e the condition of the universe before its formation. It is equated with unknowable God’s essence and named Alam-I-Hahut (the world of “He-ness”). Etymologically, the Arabic root word for God with attributes (or Manifest Absolute) is Al-Lah or “the Divinity”, and Hu (“He”) is the root word for Unmanifest Absolute, the naked essence of Godhead that nothing can be said about. Alam-e-Hahoot has similarities to the Christian concept of Deus absconditus, and the Hindu notion of Nirguna Brahma.


Maqaam-e-Mehmood (Place of the extolled)
The residing place of Prophet Mohammad. Beyond this lies the unperceivable.


Alam-e-Lahoot (Realm of Divinity)
Realm of Divinity is that region where incalculable unseen tiny dots emerge and expand to such large circles that they engulf the entire universe. This Realm is also known as Tajalliat (The Beatific Vision, or the Circle of the Beatific Vision). These countless circles are the bases of all the root causes of the universe. These very circles give rise to the species (or kinds of non living) of the universe. This whole circle is known as the Ghaib-ul-ghaib (Unseen of the Unseen). It is that ascent for which the human perception could train itself for the cognition of the Extolled Veil and Beatific Visions of the attributes of God that are operative in there. Alam-e-Lahoot has similarities to the Christian concept of Deus revelatus and the Hindu notion of Saguna Brahma.

The final boundary of the human knowledge and understanding is called Hijab-e-Mehmood (The Extolled Veil), which is the extreme height of the Arsh (Supreme Empyrean). Nehr-e-tasweed(The Channel of Black Draught/Darkness) whose last limit is in the Realm of Divinity, is the basis of the Unseen & feeds Rooh-e-Azam (The Great Soul).


Alam-e-Jabaroot (Realm of Omnipotency)
The stage when the universe is constituted into features is known as the Realm of Omnipotency. Hijab-e-Kibria (The Grand Veil) is the last limit of this realm. Nehr-e-tajreed (Channel of Abstraction), whose last limit is The Realm of Omnipotency, feeds Rooh-e-Insani (Human Soul) with its information.


Alam-e-Malakoot (Angelic Realm)
When the characteristics of the species and their individuals descend from the Realm of Omnipotency, separate consciousnesses comes into being, this stage is called the Angelic Realm. Its last limit is called Hijab-e-Azmat (The Great Veil). Nehr-e-Tasheed (Channel of Evidence) whose last limit is Angelic Realm, feeds Latifa-e-Qalbi .


Arsh-e-Mualla (The Divine Throne)
The limiting boundary through which no one but the very nearest to God can pass. The above mentioned realms (Alam-e-Malakoot, Alam-e-Jabroot & Alam-e-Lahoot) are its levels of functioning.


Sab’a Samawat (The Seven Skies)
Similar to the Seven Valleys in the Bahá'í Faith, these are the boundary of the material Realm. The seven skies can be thought of as 7 energy levels or 7 levels of enlightenment . At the end of 7th sky is the height known as the Baitul Mamoor (Inhabited Dwelling) . After which lies the station which is called Sidratul Muntaha (Lote Tree), which is the last limit of the flight of the most intimate angels.


Alam-e-Nasoot (Realm of Humans)
When the features further descend and come out of the limits of the angelic realm, foundations of the tangible world of matter are being laid, which is known as Alam-e-Nasoot. It includes the material realm (most of which humans can see), and all the normally visible cosmos is included in it. Nehr-e-Tazheer (Channel of Manifestation) whose last limit is Alam-e-Nasoot, feeds Latifa-e-Nafsi. Human Realm is categorized as under:

One Kitab-al-Mubeen, that controls

300 million Loh-e-Mehfooz, each one controlling

80 thousand Hazeere (Galaxies), each one containing

13 billion Solar systems, out of which

1 billion solar systems have life on one of their planets.

Each Star has 9, 12 or 13 planets around it.

On every planet with life on it, life exists in three different planes of existence. These include Plane of Angels, Plane of Jinns, & Plane of Humans. On the other hand, it is surrounded by another realm known as Alam-e-Araf or Barzakh (Astral plane), where humans stay after they die (when the connection of soul breaks with the physical body). Humans can also visit astral realm during sleep (in dream state) or during meditation.

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That could give you an idea of where God exists...sort of.
Yelekiah
Pretty cool info. In the Book of Enoch there are ten heavens, but God resides in the tenth one, along with the angels with free will.
1667832
If you have Angels with free will, what do they do? As in, what are their roles? Or do they simply reside there. Pretty interesting. I always wondered whether or not Angels had personalities.
Yelekiah
Well they do have attributes. Like there are angels of severity and angels of mercy according to Kabbalah. From what I understand, God wanted Satan to bow down to Adam. But he chose not to.
Anyway, in the Apocrypha, after the fall of the devil, he actually goes to Adam and cries. I know...weird. So apparently he has a personality all his own, and can even make himself appear as white light.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Jan 16 2006, 01:10 AM) [snapback]1023147[/snapback]

It's 6 min on mine and evident in the amount of time it took me to answer. Perhaps your time is messed up because everyone knows it didn't take 17 min. thumbsup.gif
Me, I don't think Ra or God is in another realm. Just Anubis.




From what I have read Ra was a myth...nothing more to say really other than..............................myth like (here's a refresher) the bible IMO

As for God...he is wherever you want him to be wink2.gif But I like to keep him close to my heart
1667832
I was wondering about this.

" The Jinns would go to the lowest heaven and listen to the Angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the Future which they heard from Allah."

So basically, it's a bunch of Angels standing around talking about what God told them is going to happen. Obviously, there would be some sort of personality, even within the boundaries of having no free will, right?
Yelekiah
It is 6 min and I looked on the other page and that is what it says. It certainly didn't take 17 however way you see it because I answer stuff fairly quickly. And even if it was 17, it would contradict with you telling me to be patient. Because 17 minutes is a long time to wait. original.gif
edit: Apparently you don't read much on the subject.
7:02 to 7:08 is not 17 minutes.
And it is evident that some angels have to have free will.
1667832
You guys dont give it up. If you all keep bickering, the topic will be closed. So shush! yes.gif Anyway, about Angels having personalities..
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 14 2006, 03:07 PM) [snapback]1021085[/snapback]

Gods are just like people. You can believe in them all you want, but in the end it al could be a lie.

A lie that we will never know wink2.gif

(speaking of when you die that is)
Beckys_Mom
Further more a lot of non believer think for those that believe in, God only do so because they fear daeth...in my case I don't fear it..I am well aware everyone who is anyone must die someday...my belief in God has nothing to do with it....Like I said once before if I die and there is no God...I wont know the difference therefore I have nothing to fear.
1667832
I also hold that idea about death. Everyone has to die. Simple as that. I dont fear it because I cant escape it, whether I fear it or not. It has to happen, done and done.
AnuKabal
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 15 2006, 07:46 PM) [snapback]1023191[/snapback]

From what I have read Ra was a myth...nothing more to say really


They consider all ancient beliefs to be myths.
Yelekiah
I think what most people fear is either a painful death or simply the unknown. But death in my opinion, is just a transition. Not something to fear your whole life. People with NDEs claim to see white light. Some call it God's light that surrounded them.
AnuKabal
I don't fear death I embrace it, if something is trying to kill me i'll confront it.
1667832
I also believe that death is simply moving on, going to a new place. Its been said in Islam that one should never call themselves an inhabitant of Earth, but rather a traveller who is passing through.
For me, I think, you stay here for a short span of time but then pack up and leave again. You must gather the right materials here in order to make sure that your destination is a pleasant one.
Yelekiah
That new place I think would either be in another plane or reincarnating.
That is what the transition is in my opinion.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 16 2006, 02:11 AM) [snapback]1023218[/snapback]

I don't fear death I embrace it, if something is trying to kill me i'll confront it.


Hmmm fearless...not a bad thing IMO


QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 16 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1023211[/snapback]

They consider all ancient beliefs to be myths.


And right you are wink2.gif
AnuKabal
except for hinduism and judaism
Yelekiah
Funny because the Bible is technically ancient. Yet for the most part people are not as quick to consider it a myth.
AnuKabal
true
Bahamut_0
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 16 2006, 12:38 AM) [snapback]1023117[/snapback]

Yea and thought it was silly...anyone that comes out with that is being silly....best ignored IMO

Well, I tend to be really silly sometimes, but I do it for my own amusement...
If you have a better test then say it...
Bahamut_0
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 16 2006, 01:54 AM) [snapback]1023201[/snapback]

A lie that we will never know wink2.gif

(speaking of when you die that is)

Speak for yourself, some people might know the truth...
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 15 2006, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1023218[/snapback]

I don't fear death I embrace it, if something is trying to kill me i'll confront it.


I'm sure at the age of 14 you've had many things try to kill you.

Oh, wait, you've seen 'all kinds of strange things'. rolleyes.gif

Yelekiah, I suspect people only respect the Bible because so many of us were brought up with it. Even though many people still become atheists, for some there's still a lingering respect for the Bible and they're not so quick to dismiss it. For the most part, however, I feel that it is a collection of myths joined together by the basic message of God. The stories themselves aren't important, it's the lessons within.
Bahamut_0
Yeah, wendigos... lol!


He saw himslef him the mirror?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Bahamut_0 @ Jan 16 2006, 05:51 AM) [snapback]1023574[/snapback]

Speak for yourself, some people might know the truth...


How on Gods green earth do you know that? If you die you can't come back to tell the tale..no one has blink.gif
Kismit
Bahamut, please read the pm I sent you.

A.A. just wanted to say, umm I'm not a guy. original.gif
Bahamut_0
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 16 2006, 08:10 AM) [snapback]1023706[/snapback]

How on Gods green earth do you know that? If you die you can't come back to tell the tale..no one has blink.gif

No one? think a little, there are at least 3 or 4 that have done that...
and you don't need to die... you just need to know where to find them... but even if you did you couldn't reach such location, let alone finding the 2 vital points...
it is so stupid the claims that humans do about who was jesus father, it is so obvious, you people cannot see the truth because it is too near to your eyes... you'll probably misinterpret my statement, but that is to be expected...

EDITED: kismit, I am sorry, I exagerated yesterday, I was feeling heart aches and I felt so lonely that I tried to get some atention by posting a lot, how sad is that?
AnuKabal
It depends on who you ask I also think I know the truth of a location.
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 16 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]1024069[/snapback]

It depends on who you ask I also think I know the truth of a location.


Alright, I'll bite. Can you tell us about it?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Bahamut_0 @ Jan 16 2006, 01:53 PM) [snapback]1023890[/snapback]

No one? think a little, there are at least 3 or 4 that have done that...
and you don't need to die... you just need to know where to find them... but even if you did you couldn't reach such location, let alone finding the 2 vital points...


Bahamut..I am going to ask you again...when I say no one has lived to tell the tale..I mean no one has lived to tell the tale. You say there is at least 3 or 4 that have done that...ok explain as to how 3 or 4 have come back to tell the tale after their death....people that have experienced NDE have not been able to claim they paid heaven a visit..they claim they saw a light...and are unsure as to what it all was. Everyone here will agree that there is no proof of God but yet still (for hose that believe) have their faiths.
If someone that was proved to have died and came back to tell how there is a god, there is a heaven....then some may be convinced but some will still say this person was in another dreamworld they wont believe him or her.

Anyway Bahamut...explain a lil more...how would you know where to find them if you have never been there before..and how do you know if this where possible they couldnt reach such a location?
Yelekiah
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Jan 16 2006, 12:51 AM) [snapback]1023576[/snapback]

Yelekiah, I suspect people only respect the Bible because so many of us were brought up with it.

I agree and because it's so popular. One person thought that people who believed in the material had to be insane. I, however, strongly disagreed. Because so many people believe in it, it would mean a huge chunk of the world was mentally ill. The thing is, most of them are sane. I just think their belief (for something that has zero evidence) overpowers their reason. Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. It's better than going out and building a bomb to kill people. Then again, people have died in God's name.
Rainbow Rowan
Religion seems to be a thing unto its own. Science requires great commitment to truth and experimental probability, whereas religion needs none. Yet people will believe in religion regardless of evidence. They call it faith. I think the true 'madness' is where people do not question it at all.
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(Rainbow Rowan @ Jan 16 2006, 12:23 PM) [snapback]1024299[/snapback]

Religion seems to be a thing unto its own. Science requires great commitment to truth and experimental probability, whereas religion needs none. Yet people will believe in religion regardless of evidence. They call it faith. I think the true 'madness' is where people do not question it at all.


Exactly. My first falling out with Christianity occurred only after I went to a basically Fundamentalist church where if you doubted anything in the Bible you were evil. I was about 10 at the time, so I was afraid to question anything that they said. I doubt that God wants his creations to be mindless drones.
artymoon
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Jan 16 2006, 02:38 PM) [snapback]1024324[/snapback]

Exactly. My first falling out with Christianity occurred only after I went to a basically Fundamentalist church where if you doubted anything in the Bible you were evil. I was about 10 at the time, so I was afraid to question anything that they said. I doubt that God wants his creations to be mindless drones.

Here, here. original.gif
The bible has some good lessons but to take every word as the absolute truth is asinine.
Watzel
The answer to the initial question is:



STRING THEORY!
Yelekiah
Not necessarily. The dimensions are too small to even be detected by the eye. Unless God is that small.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(artymoon @ Jan 16 2006, 08:30 PM) [snapback]1024375[/snapback]

Here, here. original.gif
The bible has some good lessons but to take every word as the absolute truth is asinine.

Her her..here lol You are right it is ridiculous ph34r.gif
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Jan 16 2006, 02:03 PM) [snapback]1024422[/snapback]

Not necessarily. The dimensions are too small to even be detected by the eye. Unless God is that small.


Why couldn't he be? I don't see any reason God has to be big, or indeed have any size at all.
AnuKabal
:DWell Ra's eye is the sun, so he has to be big. grin2.gif
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(AnuKabal @ Jan 16 2006, 05:49 PM) [snapback]1024759[/snapback]

:DWell Ra's eye is the sun, so he has to be big. grin2.gif


Any God that needs physical size, is, in my opinion, a very insecure god.
ShaunZero
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Jan 17 2006, 05:57 AM) [snapback]1025319[/snapback]

Any God that needs physical size, is, in my opinion, a very insecure god.



What if he just wants it for fun. happy.gif
Yelekiah
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Jan 16 2006, 07:03 PM) [snapback]1024684[/snapback]

Why couldn't he be? I don't see any reason God has to be big, or indeed have any size at all.

I said not necessarily which means it doesn't necessarily exclude a large size. But most people think God is everywhere as opposed to a single dimension.
ShaunZero
Or maybe he's somewhere we don't know about. =P


Kismit
Angry Crustacean, we all know it's not the size of the God that matters. It's the way you use it. yes.gif
ShaunZero
QUOTE(Kismit @ Jan 17 2006, 06:59 AM) [snapback]1025359[/snapback]

Angry Crustacean, we all know it's not the size of the God that matters. It's the way you use it. yes.gif



LOL!!! w00t.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kismit @ Jan 17 2006, 06:59 AM) [snapback]1025359[/snapback]

Angry Crustacean, we all know it's not the size of the God that matters. It's the way you use it. yes.gif


I have heard people say that before in ref to something much different than a God!!!

But its the way you use it....ok how would you use a God exactly?
Kismit
Depends on what your God represents. Personally I prefer to keep several Gods on hand.

Ahanu-the god of minimal vacuming.

Saska- the anihalator of dust motes

and most notably...

Anharu- keeper of the missing sock.

Small but practical Gods. yes.gif
Beckys_Mom
grin2.gif LOL good call
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(Kismit @ Jan 17 2006, 04:02 AM) [snapback]1025461[/snapback]

Depends on what your God represents. Personally I prefer to keep several Gods on hand.

Ahanu-the god of minimal vacuming.

Saska- the anihalator of dust motes

and most notably...

Anharu- keeper of the missing sock.

Small but practical Gods. yes.gif


Great posts. laugh.gif

Yelekiah, I see your point. Does that include Him being present in all dimensions, then, even though we cannot percieve them, or just everywhere in what we can perceive?
Yelekiah
Well the dimensions are curled up and hidden. They are like I think nanometers, so small we can't even see them. For him to be in all would be strange, or even a singularity. I can't really imagine that. It would defy some things. Then again, I don't know what God is truly capable of. What we know of God is based on the Christian paradigm. and that isn't a whole lot.
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