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night_elf1988
as i heared and as i belive god (allah) exist in everywhere i think that mean if u want to know is thier is god look around u who created the earth and everything on it look more at sky at mountains look at big things that humens hard to make u will know god exist. and he only one god because as all say if thier are 2 leaders on ship it will sink in water. last thing i feel my god truly when i think about him feel my heart start to work quickly and feel love. by the way im muslim and im not very good guy grin2.gif..... u cant see god in real life or in ur dreams and if u see him in dreams be sure he is not.
Yelekiah
And the ugliness of humanity and horrors in the world. Or is that attributed to the jinn (Satan)? grin2.gif
Alien_child
There is no god
Alien_child
I have come to realise that pretty much all other cultures know who there god is and what he/she looks like. They hang pictures and have statues... But we do not know who r god is ... is it a man or a woman, who the hell knows. all we think we know that he created everything in 7 days which to me sounds like a load of crap.. Hes litteraly a stranger to us, we know nothing of him. hes just a creation from some crazy mans dream
Bahamut_0
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jan 16 2006, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1024222[/snapback]

Bahamut..I am going to ask you again...when I say no one has lived to tell the tale..I mean no one has lived to tell the tale. You say there is at least 3 or 4 that have done that...ok explain as to how 3 or 4 have come back to tell the tale after their death....people that have experienced NDE have not been able to claim they paid heaven a visit..they claim they saw a light...and are unsure as to what it all was. Everyone here will agree that there is no proof of God but yet still (for hose that believe) have their faiths.
If someone that was proved to have died and came back to tell how there is a god, there is a heaven....then some may be convinced but some will still say this person was in another dreamworld they wont believe him or her.

Anyway Bahamut...explain a lil more...how would you know where to find them if you have never been there before..and how do you know if this where possible they couldnt reach such a location?

And you are right, no one has lived enough to tell the tale, and those who know died, of course the so called perfect system of immortality has a glitch...
I'm going to give you one more clue, the last god that was alive on earth (that I can remember of, right now) was female, she was mentioned in the bible and she was one of the most virtuous of beings, unfortunately the church tried to cover up the reality (due to their bad translation, and the fact that the truth is too scary for the average person to accept it) and they kept away that part of the bible and they switched it with a lye so that people wouldn't look at the obvious, still, if you search enough you can find info about her...

I know where to find the gods due to mathematical research, the great watcher is always there, waiting, for the right time to take action...

Tell me some things that I know and I'll tell you a little more if I find that you were accurately enough...
Bluefinger
QUOTE(Bahamut_0 @ Jan 20 2006, 06:13 AM) [snapback]1029113[/snapback]

And you are right, no one has lived enough to tell the tale, and those who know died, of course the so called perfect system of immortality has a glitch...
I'm going to give you one more clue, the last god that was alive on earth (that I can remember of, right now) was female, she was mentioned in the bible and she was one of the most virtuous of beings, unfortunately the church tried to cover up the reality (due to their bad translation, and the fact that the truth is too scary for the average person to accept it) and they kept away that part of the bible and they switched it with a lye so that people wouldn't look at the obvious, still, if you search enough you can find info about her...

I know where to find the gods due to mathematical research, the great watcher is always there, waiting, for the right time to take action...

Tell me some things that I know and I'll tell you a little more if I find that you were accurately enough...


actually Maryolotry came about when the Septugant was translated into the laten vulgate. The term 'seed' in Genesis describing that which would crush the serpent was originally in masculin form, but the latins translated it into femine.

God bless
Bahamut_0
You are talking of something else, you are worlds away of what I'm talking about...
Expect to see hidden messages in my posts...
Read between the lines...
Big cheese
where is god ?
god is in the mind of man and there alone
AnuKabal
Yet, so is time and perception the way others look, if you really think about it all humans look similar, just like every other species
STIX
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 2 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]1002226[/snapback]

If there is really a god (which i believe there is) where is he? Everyone thinks there is a magical kingdom but i dont think so...so where is God....in the Bahama's? Maybe another planet? Ooooo what if God is on another planet and when we die we become alien's and God is our leader!!!!

What do you think?

God is internal, which is why you can't see it.
Turtle
QUOTE(STIX @ Jan 21 2006, 07:01 PM) [snapback]1030984[/snapback]

God is internal, which is why you can't see it.


Some need something "solid" to cling to.
The beirded guy in the sky dispensing his judgements is something to hold on to.
A god that is internal places responsibility on the beholder.
Why do this when you can blame everything on another, even if you refer to him as God.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Turtle @ Jan 21 2006, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1031025[/snapback]

Some need something "solid" to cling to.
The beirded guy in the sky dispensing his judgements is something to hold on to.
A god that is internal places responsibility on the beholder.
Why do this when you can blame everything on another, even if you refer to him as God.

thumbsup.gif very well said turtle
Yelekiah
The definition of heaven, according to the Catholic church, is in the presence of God. God and heaven are obviously synonymous to many. But for those who consider God to be omnipresent, this would essentially mean that we are in heaven as well.
Kaj
What if we humans aren´t that important that we think we are? Even if God exist we are not priority no1..
What if we are just one of millions of projects god has had?
boorite
He has to pay attention to us. That's the deal. We have churches and TV preachers and wars and stuff for Him, and He pays attention and answers our prayers and all. Like that lady who prayed about lightning.
ivytheplant
God is in Skymall catalogue.

That's where I determined he came from in another thread because I really didn't know where he could come from so it was as good a guess as any. And that's where I think he's currently residing.

Again, it's that problem of the human brain trying to comprehend something infinite (like God or the universe) and falling so short of it, that we have to break it off into little bits to be manageable. If God is a massively infinite, omnipotent being that is everywhere, there's no way we can even start to comprehend him without forming a finite idea of his existence.

And today, after spending half of it wiping my computer from viruses because I accidentally clicked a popup, my brain can't comprehend where God is beyond the Skymall catalogue.
Moro
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 2 2006, 08:06 PM) [snapback]1002226[/snapback]

If there is really a god (which i believe there is) where is he? Everyone thinks there is a magical kingdom but i dont think so...so where is God....in the Bahama's? Maybe another planet? Ooooo what if God is on another planet and when we die we become alien's and God is our leader!!!!

What do you think?


The Government is creating your god right now!
It's one of those super secret government black conspiracy thingies... mellow.gif
boorite
All hail Skymall.

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Froggy618157725
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 2 2006, 08:06 PM) [snapback]1002226[/snapback]

If there is really a god (which i believe there is) where is he? Everyone thinks there is a magical kingdom but i dont think so...so where is God....in the Bahama's? Maybe another planet? Ooooo what if God is on another planet and when we die we become alien's and God is our leader!!!!

What do you think?

Elsewhere *said with an accompying dismissive wave of the hand*

I remember a line something like that in A Wrinkle in Time Or maybe the sequal. It's quite a nice line. You ask a question about something that seems impossible, and get a response like it's been old news for centuries.

My current theory is that nothing truly exists other than G_d. This has several interesting consequences, and I haven't run into any that can't work with the Universe as we know it, so I'm willing to accept it as a plausible theory. It justifies saying "G_d is everywhere" because position itself would be an "artificial contruct" of G_d's. I'm unable to come up with a satisfactory simile right now, so you'll have to come up with one for yourself.
chaoszerg
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 3 2006, 01:06 AM) [snapback]1002226[/snapback]

If there is really a god (which i believe there is) where is he? Everyone thinks there is a magical kingdom but i dont think so...so where is God....in the Bahama's? Maybe another planet? Ooooo what if God is on another planet and when we die we become alien's and God is our leader!!!!

What do you think?





If GOD is real maybe we are in his mind or his dream then one day he will wake up then.....POOF!!! we are gone. Or we are in his body and the universe is like his blood stream or his cells and organs lol. I dont know where god is if he is real but one day we are probably bound to see him if he is real.
Beckys_Mom
God is everywhere... thumbsup.gif
HarlequinDragon
All that I need to know is that God is near, but I don’t know exactly how to say that with out sounding a little paranoid. grin2.gif
ivytheplant
God's at the North Pole.

Sometimes I confuse him with Santa Claus. It's the big white beard I suppose.
JMPD1
QUOTE(ivytheplant @ Jun 15 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]1233316[/snapback]

God's at the North Pole.

Sometimes I confuse him with Santa Claus. It's the big white beard I suppose.



Now that is just silly! grin2.gif

Why would god have a beard? SHE doesn't need one.........
Big cheese
For me God is in the mind of men and is as real as any other meme, thought or idea to those that believe and is equally unreal to those that don’t harbour such ethereal notions

Add a few rules a few perks a touch of fear and hay presto you have a binding matrix to support society now throw in a big book some scratchy interpretation of history and discuss for eons move to the states and start a school with eyes for the Whitehouse and practice for world domination


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chaoszerg
He might be in each and everyone of us like satan could be. Most of us spend our time thinking he may be out of sight untill we die but just look in a mirror or at the person next to you.
zandore
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QUOTE(ivytheplant @ Jun 15 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]1233316[/snapback]

God's at the North Pole.

Sometimes I confuse him with Santa Claus. It's the big white beard I suppose.
There is more evidence for Saint Nicholas (AKA SANTA santa.gif ) then there is God/Jesus thumbsup.gif
smallpackage
QUOTE(zandore @ Jun 16 2006, 07:26 PM) [snapback]1234240[/snapback]

grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif There is more evidence for Saint Nicholas (AKA SANTA santa.gif ) then there is God/Jesus thumbsup.gif


And lets not forget about the mythical Satan. You'd think he would have left a pitch fork around somewhere. tongue.gif
zandore
QUOTE(smallpackage @ Jun 18 2006, 06:23 PM) [snapback]1236534[/snapback]

And lets not forget about the mythical Satan. You'd think he would have left a pitch fork around somewhere. tongue.gif

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Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(Aaleyah-Abqurah @ Jan 2 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]1002230[/snapback]

God isnt in the physical world that we know. You cant hop in your car to drive over to see Him.


Darn it all I had the trip all planned out, i'd spend a couple of days in orlando then hop over to see God, say Hi, have something to drink happy.gif
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(smallpackage @ Jun 18 2006, 06:23 PM) [snapback]1236534[/snapback]

And lets not forget about the mythical Satan. You'd think he would have left a pitch fork around somewhere. tongue.gif

Actually, the pitchfork has been in the vatican museum for years. It is right next to the reliquary to the circumcision of Jesus (you know, the one containing his foreskin!).
exeller
God God God, now if he showed himself to you right now, then you wouldn't have faith in him. It's a test of faith man.
Thunderbolt
Since there is some much Skepticism on god (if he even exists) why wont he just show him self or at least the disbody voice and the ray of light and say "Here I am!" just to shut every body up
huh huh!
demonic presence
cuz hes not real.....
Thunderbolt
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jul 8 2006, 01:35 AM) [snapback]1261614[/snapback]

cuz hes not real.....


maby... mellow.gif
exeller
It is a test of faith. Then, God can tell the difference between those who REALLY believed in him, and the ones who believed in him out of fear. There's one reason.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 12:03 AM) [snapback]1261391[/snapback]

God God God, now if he showed himself to you right now, then you wouldn't have faith in him. It's a test of faith man.

If God where to show himself, to a number of religious folks, as an everyday joe blogs (like jesus was back in the day)..I'd dare say, a LOT of them would be skeptical of him...lol
exeller
That's where the thunder comes in right?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 03:41 AM) [snapback]1261721[/snapback]

That's where the thunder comes in right?

Noo LOL I dont know...no one does...are you saying God is responcible for the weather LOL

if so...next thing you will tell me...God sent the bad weather to ruin people ...ie like in africa...do not go there LOL just dont lol
Purplos
'Cause he's too scared of Rob Zombie - that IS Rob Zombie, isn't it?

I'm personally of the opinion that whatever might be called God (I call it god because its just a hdndy term), doesn't actually have body parts that it can stick anywhere - nor vocal chords.
exeller
I think he can communicate with you through your soul.....I don't know.
exeller
Well, God can pretty much have control over anything he wants to. You should watch the ten commandments, great movie thumbsup.gif

But yeah, God can be harsh.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 03:50 AM) [snapback]1261742[/snapback]

Well, God can pretty much have control over anything he wants to. You should watch the ten commandments, great movie thumbsup.gif

But yeah, God can be harsh.

I seen the ten commandments with Charlton Heston ...it was a load of cobblers.....but fun to watch..just how stupid it is LOL
exeller
Yeeah, load of "cobblers". Do you really believe he killed all those kids.
demonic presence
QUOTE(Purplos @ Jul 8 2006, 02:45 AM) [snapback]1261731[/snapback]

'Cause he's too scared of Rob Zombie


lol rob zombies awsome
exeller
No just kind o' wierd.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 03:53 AM) [snapback]1261750[/snapback]

Yeeah, load of "cobblers". Do you really believe he killed all those kids.

NOPE...I dont believe God killed all the 1st borns...just to get at the king to let all of moses people go....NOOOOO God doesnt need to kill innocent children..he is all powerful and all loving..not a killer....if that story was true...God would have found other ways..than murder...that whole angle of death thing is a load of cobblers...I dont believe in bible stories anyhoo
Desty
QUOTE(cia @ Jul 7 2006, 06:34 PM) [snapback]1261612[/snapback]

Since there is some much Skepticism on god (if he even exists) why wont he just show him self or at least the disbody voice and the ray of light and say "Here I am!" just to shut every body up
huh huh!

In my opinion every day that God allows you,(or me) to continue living, is a representation of his life.
Everytime I sit and Meditate on the thought "Who am I" and by "I" I mean Here Now In this time, Place, these Parents, These Brothers, These relatives, These Friends, This part of the world, This city, This part of the City, This ethnicity, This body, These eyes, These circumstances.

Everytime I meditate on this, I feel God. I feel his presence In my life only when I look. From the most simplest things.

My family decided to get our cat pregnant, so that we could go through the experience of "birth". The beginning of lives, and we would all be part of it. Yes indeed its touchy, Im a 19 year old man so i was like, "ya right yes.gif " The cat which we've named "Peach" and we named her Brother "Mario"
Peach had 6 kittens, one died not long after birth. This whole time I kept thinking that saying I heard oh so often in highschool "Everytime you masterbate God kills a Kitten" Lol. Quite sick, indeed.

The 5 kittens left, all grew, we gave away 2 the pure white one, and one of the girls, we attempted to give away the other three to breaders and such, but we are left with 3, yes 3 cats now. Irony being there is me and my 2 brothers, so we all now have our own cat.

My cat, who is named "ninja" (not by me but meh its not a bad name) She has this problem. Besides being a completely delicate and innocent, sweet loving cat. Everytime a vacuum cleaner comes on she absolutely freaks out. Not just your ordinary freaking out. She becomes almost possessed and a nother cat entirely, I was holding her when some1 turned on a vacuum cleaner, and she scratched the hell out of my arms, and also bit me. I was pissed I slapped her around.

That incident where she scratched the hell out of me, and bit me, to get away from the vacuum cleaner has brought me closer to this cat.

I believe God has 'told' me things through this cat. Now before you shoot that idea down. I do not believe God directly has spoken to me through the cat. However In the cats actions I feel, and know I have felt the touch of god. On a most basic, caring and loving level.

I see the cats innosence, yet I see at the same time the cats will and determination to get out of the presence of the vacuum cleaner. Like it is a life or death matter, no joke. I felt compassion for this cat. I do not know why. I see clearly how this cat does not judge me, after I slap it around for scratching me. Immediately after i kick the cat across the room for biting me, and the vacuum is off, the cat will start purring and loving me like nothing ever happened. The cat has been a representation of how I should be when people put me down, hurt me ect. Also if it was not for the cats 'problem' of freaking out when a vacuum clearner is on I would not have come this close to the cat or realized these things.

If I were to hear something in the sky say "I AM GOD HERE MY VOICE AND BOW!" I would most likely say "get thee hence satan!"

Mar 8:12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

Luk 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign;

Only an evil generation would seek an unnatural sign. If you take the time to look; God speaks inside your life.
demonic presence
quoting the bible....my turn

Satan 2:6 No creed must be accepted upon authority of a "divine" nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted-no standard of measurement deified. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!

religions must be put to the question, so in other words, i need proof if i am going to believe, i need the so called "evil unnatural sign". Because without proof, we cant be sure of anything

now dont get me wrong, i do believe in a god, just not the same type as you do, here is my definition from MY bible

From the book of Lucifer: it is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. The concept of "God," as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the Satanist simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has
always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him. God is, to some, benign-to others, terrifying. To the Satanist "God"-by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all-is seen as the balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering.
Desty
One of the most influential films in my life, "Pulp Fiction."

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Where Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta, are both hitmen. And they go to kill these guys for a suitcase with the mysterious glowing item. and just before Samuel L. Jackson Kills the man he was talking to he says

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

They both blow 50 holes in this guy, Then as they are leaving one guy pops out of the bathroom and fire off all his shots at Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta. They both blink a few times, look at themselves, look at eachother, they see that neither are wounded, then they both kill this man. I'm sure you know the scene well.

Samuel L. Jackson says it was Divine intervention. And as he moves you can see there are bollet holes right behind him.

Later there is a big ordeal, and he quits his Job, claiming this was a sign from god.

Now in my Life im positive Ive dodged quite a few bullets. I should have died, and Until I put into account God, I did not see the "Divine Intervention."

My life undertook a radicle change after I realized what was happening to my life. Once I realized how to perceive life. Through time people and things began to influence me and I lost the purity I once had as a Child. My goal today is to re-atain my purity innocense, and simplicity, so that I can see the world UN-tainted.

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