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Desty
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jul 7 2006, 08:41 PM) [snapback]1261810[/snapback]

quoting the bible....my turn

Satan 2:6 No creed must be accepted upon authority of a "divine" nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted-no standard of measurement deified. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!

religions must be put to the question, so in other words, i need proof if i am going to believe, i need the so called "evil unnatural sign". Because without proof, we cant be sure of anything

now dont get me wrong, i do believe in a god, just not the same type as you do, here is my definition from MY bible

From the book of Lucifer: it is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. The concept of "God," as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the Satanist simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has
always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him. God is, to some, benign-to others, terrifying. To the Satanist "God"-by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all-is seen as the balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering.

That is fine, I myself question religions, I am not religious, However I do see truthes within the Bible. Just like I'm sure I can find Truths within your satanist Bible, or within a history book. Truths and Lies both.

Keep seeking an Unnatural Sign and You will find one. It will be just the one you desire too. But will it be from God? Nope.

For me that sign was channeling. I was a medium for spirits, I allowed them to possess my body. Im sure you dont believe me thats great, but that was the sign that I found. It was just the right sign... for a little while atleast. Then I started Contacting evil spirits or "Demons" If you will. They were completely full of evil energy, I also found out a few things while doing this but I question the validity of most of what I heard from these spirits. I have vowed Not to seek after unnatural signs and see the simplicity of Gods messages which are given to me daily, on a much more massive scale then I probably realize.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 7 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]1261742[/snapback]

Well, God can pretty much have control over anything he wants to. You should watch the ten commandments, great movie thumbsup.gif

But yeah, God can be harsh.

Why would you choose to beleive in a harsh ' diety' There are plenty of dietys why the harsh one???Just wondering.....


How do you decide how something has merit or value EXE??????? How do you arrive at that.....
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Avinash_Tyagi @ Jun 19 2006, 07:40 AM) [snapback]1237315[/snapback]

Darn it all I had the trip all planned out, i'd spend a couple of days in orlando then hop over to see God, say Hi, have something to drink happy.gif

lol Avin.... wub.gif thumbsup.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Desty @ Jul 8 2006, 04:54 AM) [snapback]1261826[/snapback]

That is fine, I myself question religions, I am not religious, However I do see truthes within the Bible. Just like I'm sure I can find Truths within your satanist Bible, or within a history book. Truths and Lies both.


Lies??? tell me...why would you think there are(or what could be lies if you read it) within another faith?...Could it be a bias side to you?...Just asking is all original.gif

I personally will not calim a faith holds lies, UNLESS I have fully understood it and have read and been taught it..Like I have with the bible...I have had it preached to me as a kid..and even as a teen..I was taught it...it was through that ...I made up my own mind what I saw as truth and lies.....bearing in mind.....it's ONLY my views though...I cannot CLAIM...that I am 100% correct...if I where to claim, I was right...I would be showing a lil thing called.........ignorance... wink2.gif

PLZ note...the only truths I took from it all..was that God and Jesus existed...
zandore
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 7 2006, 10:41 PM) [snapback]1261721[/snapback]

That's where the thunder comes in right?

No no.gif
Thunder is the domain of Thor.....the god of thunder!

That is why Churchs have lighting rods on them thumbsup.gif
Dark_E
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 3 2006, 08:06 AM) [snapback]1002226[/snapback]

If there is really a god (which i believe there is) where is he? Everyone thinks there is a magical kingdom but i dont think so...so where is God....in the Bahama's? Maybe another planet? Ooooo what if God is on another planet and when we die we become alien's and God is our leader!!!!

What do you think?


what i think (n must believe) is that we couldn't assume where he is. he is no way a physical being like us. he is beyond our judgement. however in my religion, it is told that the worshippers can meet (see his true nature) him after they are settled in the heaven (after the judgement day). not that he is hiding away in the heaven.
Bosanchero
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Jan 3 2006, 12:06 AM) [snapback]1002226[/snapback]

If there is really a god (which i believe there is) where is he? Everyone thinks there is a magical kingdom but i dont think so...so where is God....in the Bahama's? Maybe another planet? Ooooo what if God is on another planet and when we die we become alien's and God is our leader!!!!

What do you think?



well from what understand HES ALL AROUND US !!! thumbsup.gif
exeller
QUOTE(Dark_E @ Jul 8 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1262289[/snapback]

what i think (n must believe) is that we couldn't assume where he is. he is no way a physical being like us. he is beyond our judgement. however in my religion, it is told that the worshippers can meet (see his true nature) him after they are settled in the heaven (after the judgement day). not that he is hiding away in the heaven.


And what exactly is "heaven"? It's not a physical place either. So how would you know you're in heaven? How would you know who or what God is when he isn't physical? WTF?
I confused myself.
exeller
Hell my religion is right most of the time, all 100% correct.....Yeah it is.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 06:17 PM) [snapback]1262297[/snapback]

And what exactly is "heaven"? It's not a physical place either. So how would you know you're in heaven? How would you know who or what God is when he isn't physical? WTF?
I confused myself.

I have a few questions to ask you....if you don't mind

1. Is there a God?

2. Where is he? (keep it simple lol)

3. Does he have a son Jesus? or do you believe in another God?

4. The bible? do you believe in it?

5. How strong is your faith?

ok those where short lil question..and only reqire short answers...trying to understand where you are coming from thumbsup.gif

exeller
Let us begin, shall we......

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1. Is there a God?


Yes, there really is. I know it for a fact. I don't care what anyone else says.

QUOTE
2. Where is he? (keep it simple lol)


He is everyone you are. At the store, in your car, in your home, even in your bathroom lol. And he always knows what you're thinking, therefor he knows what you are going to do before you do it.

QUOTE
3. Does he have a son Jesus? or do you believe in another God?


That's kind of hard to answer. First I have to say that he WAS a descendant if king david. So he wasn't the physical son of God, BUT, I do believe that God gave Jesus some sort of special soul. So speaking in a way, he was the son of God.

QUOTE
4. The bible? do you believe in it?


I do believe in the bible, BUT, I think that often alot of its contents are taken literaly, or it is misinterpreted, so it may seen wrong to some.

QUOTE
5. How strong is your faith?


VERY VEY VEY VERY VERY VERY. Hell, maybe if they said change your religion or you'll die, I would not change my religion.
zandore
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 01:27 PM) [snapback]1262309[/snapback]

Hell my religion is right most of the time, all 100% correct.....Yeah it is.

And that my VERY young friend is why religious wars start.

My God is bigger than your god and can beat him up sad.gif




If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.
exeller
No not just kidding, my religion isn't always right.
zandore
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 02:45 PM) [snapback]1262432[/snapback]

No not just kidding,
I will assume you meant you were kidding huh.gif

QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 02:45 PM) [snapback]1262432[/snapback]

my religion isn't always right.
I agree 100%
exeller
It's right on most things.
demonic presence
like?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1262327[/snapback]

Let us begin, shall we......
Yes, there really is. I know it for a fact. I don't care what anyone else says.
He is everyone you are. At the store, in your car, in your home, even in your bathroom lol. And he always knows what you're thinking, therefor he knows what you are going to do before you do it.
That's kind of hard to answer. First I have to say that he WAS a descendant if king david. So he wasn't the physical son of God, BUT, I do believe that God gave Jesus some sort of special soul. So speaking in a way, he was the son of God.
I do believe in the bible, BUT, I think that often alot of its contents are taken literaly, or it is misinterpreted, so it may seen wrong to some.
VERY VEY VEY VERY VERY VERY. Hell, maybe if they said change your religion or you'll die, I would not change my religion.

Thanks for the responce...but if you dont care what anyone else says...tell me WHY do you argue the bit out??
exeller
No, I do care if other people care. Look, it's a long story.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 10:56 PM) [snapback]1262620[/snapback]

No, I do care if other people care. Look, it's a long story.

LOL sorry but you just said ---> Yes, there really is. I know it for a fact. I don't care what anyone else says.


but its ok LOL

I just looked at the title of this thread by Gwyny LOL...Why doesnt he come out?? w00t.gif LMAO why indeed...LMAO is he really gay?? laugh.gif just teasing I couldnt resist
exeller
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jul 8 2006, 09:54 PM) [snapback]1262618[/snapback]

like?


I'm afraid it's TOP SECRET yes.gif Well lets see, it's views on world peace, unity, equality, its teaching about past religions, its translations of other religious writings. Pretty much everything.

QUOTE
Yes, there really is. I know it for a fact. I don't care what anyone else says.


I don't care if no one believes me when I say I know it for a fact. But I do care if say God doesn't exist.
demonic presence
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 10:35 PM) [snapback]1262658[/snapback]

I'm afraid it's TOP SECRET yes.gif Well lets see, it's views on world peace, unity, equality, its teaching about past religions, its translations of other religious writings. Pretty much everything.
I don't care if no one believes me when I say I know it for a fact. But I do care if say God doesn't exist.


oh ok, i thught you ment it was always right about like prophecies and whats gunna ahppen in the future rofl.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 11:35 PM) [snapback]1262658[/snapback]

I'm afraid it's TOP SECRET yes.gif Well lets see, it's views on world peace, unity, equality, its teaching about past religions, its translations of other religious writings. Pretty much everything.
I don't care if no one believes me when I say I know it for a fact. But I do care if say God doesn't exist.

so do I
exeller
I'm pretty sure its prophecies are right, and if they are, WW3 will happen, a meteor will crash into eath, causing a magnitude 12 earthquake, witch will cause all the volcanoes to erupt and block out the sun, then Jesus comes back. Happy times.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 9 2006, 12:00 AM) [snapback]1262687[/snapback]

I'm pretty sure its prophecies are right, and if they are, WW3 will happen, a meteor will crash into eath, causing a magnitude 12 earthquake, witch will cause all the volcanoes to erupt and block out the sun, then Jesus comes back. Happy times.

And will I win the lottery?? tongue.gif
exeller
Only if you're alive that long. Listen, I have a question for you.

Would it affect your love for God, if a war happened, and becky died, and you were left alive? Would you commit suicide? Wouldn't it just be the saddest thing.
Boltwave
Meh it's not so bad having your own clan, I have already taken a liking to it. thumbup.gif santa.gif
Boltwave
QUOTE(DeadRobot @ Jul 8 2006, 09:42 PM) [snapback]1262872[/snapback]

For the record, I'm not getting involved in this. Regardless of what is in Boltwave's signature.


Awww not DR...... crying.gif
Matches
However your little Anti-Raw Berris clan thing came into this, realize that there's already been an answer. There is now a Flamer Awareness Network due to your work. Great job.

Matches
To reply to the original post, it all depends on who you are. Some think God/The All is everywhere.

I am not a Christian, so I can't answer as they would, but we can only make the universal spirit come out in our own free will. The universe survives in all of us, and we are what 'God' is, in a sense. The collective consciousness is what 'God' in this context is.

I say it 'God' because I am using it as interchangable with the One or the All, the universal consciousness we are all a part of, as I believe.
Matches
Do you realize the weight of what you're saying?

You insult people for 'fun', violating the UM rules for flaming AND creating groups?

Someone should report you... maybe I shall.
Boltwave
Me, insulting people for fun?

No, it's simply a place for others like myself that have grown weary with all of this have a place to vent, I wouldn't doubt I've probably been talked about a few times, seems fair aye?
Matches
You have a place to vent... against a particular group...

I don't know about anyone else, but I've only noted about you out of UM by saying "I'm waiting for Boltwave's post" and "This disgusts me, that he's flaming again."

Please, can we get back on topic? It seems my on topic post was completely ignored. If you need to continue this conversation that badly, I have contact information.
Boltwave
QUOTE(Morian @ Jul 8 2006, 11:29 PM) [snapback]1262960[/snapback]

You have a place to vent... against a particular group...

I don't know about anyone else, but I've only noted about you out of UM by saying "I'm waiting for Boltwave's post" and "This disgusts me, that he's flaming again."

Please, can we get back on topic? It seems my on topic post was completely ignored. If you need to continue this conversation that badly, I have contact information.



So as you see it's only fair for me to create an entirely seperate group of my own? Perhaps to avoid any further debates and flames on this board? Acknowledging that I have been spoken of is just as a serious offence as me having a link in my signature, thus it's equated.

Anyways yes back on topic.
Subtemperate
...May I remind people that forming "clique" groups is against UM rules, for reasons that can be seen here.

Anyone who goes out of their way to target certain members negatively is breaking the rules, and will be dealt with.... So please keep this in mind.

Now, please get back on topic.
Lottie
Note: I have deleted several posts.
zandore
QUOTE(demonic presence @ Jul 8 2006, 05:54 PM) [snapback]1262618[/snapback]
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1262615[/snapback]

It's right on most things.
like?

QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 8 2006, 06:35 PM) [snapback]1262658[/snapback]

I'm afraid it's TOP SECRET yes.gif Well lets see, it's views on world peace, unity, equality, its teaching about past religions, its translations of other religious writings. Pretty much everything.
What kind of an answer is that?
exeller
Zanny, you gimme a better answer.
zandore
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 9 2006, 01:56 PM) [snapback]1263378[/snapback]

Zanny, you gimme a better answer.

It's "your religion" so you are going to have to answer that one.
ShaunZero
Well, I'm pretty much a Diest so I can't really tell you. All I believe is that there was a designer to this universe and existance. I think it's far too complex to just have happened to end up the way it did. I think just the fact that we can even ask questions such as "Why are we here"? is enough to convince me it's divine.
zandore
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jul 9 2006, 02:43 PM) [snapback]1263436[/snapback]

Well, I'm pretty much a Diest so I can't really tell you.

devil.gif Long time no see zero

So you are a

I will be nice for now....How ye be?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jul 9 2006, 07:43 PM) [snapback]1263436[/snapback]

Well, I'm pretty much a Diest so I can't really tell you. All I believe is that there was a designer to this universe and existance. I think it's far too complex to just have happened to end up the way it did. I think just the fact that we can even ask questions such as "Why are we here"? is enough to convince me it's divine.

Are you sure you are a diest LOL cuz last time you told us you pretended to be a christian ...so are you really for sure a diest?
Lion of Judah
In the gospel of Judas Jesus told him things he never told the other deciples like the kingdom of God he said there are so many rooms in my fathers mansion but he also talked of God being all knowing and his judgement we should all be loyal like him for when the time comes God will return to Earth and his word alone will bring evil to a halt that time is nearing for the darkness will be no more.
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