On May 22, 1962, a space probe landed on Mars and confirmed the existence of an environment which could support life. Not long afterwards the construction of a colony on the planet Mars began in earnest. FIRE FROM THE SKY Pt 17

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt...lanetsindex.htm

Its quite unbelievable... a colony being constructed on Mars before the landing on the moon?

That premise is silly. Given by people that wear tinfoil hats.

hmm yes it seems a little strange to me also but i dont think the mild insult if it was meant as one was needed.

It was not an insult to the poster. It was one to the crazy people that made this crap up.

When you mentioned tin foil hats i had the strange urge to watch the movie signs lol

Like i said i also think it is strange also but i was just concerned that the tin foil hats comment would cause offence and create a argument. But my applogies for being mistaken. And how are you ericraven and do you think we will ever build any colonies on mars.

this is what comes with the freedom of the internet

Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper. Bill Cooper, former United States Naval Intelligence Briefing Team member, reveals information that remains hidden from the public eye. This information has been kept in Top Secret government files since the 1940s. His audiences hear the truth unfold as he writes about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the war on drugs, the Secret Government, and UFOs.

Bill is a lucid, rational and powerful speaker whose intent is to inform and to empower his audience. Standing room only is normal. His presentation and information transcend partisan affiliations as he clearly addresses issues in a way that has a striking impact on listeners of all backgrounds and interests. He has spoken to many groups throughout the United States and has appeared regularly on many radio talk shows and on television.

In 1988 Bill decided to "talk" due to events then taking place worldwide, events which he had seen plans for back in the early 70s. Since Bill has been "talking" he has correctly predicted the lowering of the Iron Curtain, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the invasion of Panama. All Bill's predictions were on record well before the events occurred. Bill is not a psychic. His information comes from Top Secret documents that he read while with the Intelligence Briefing Team and from over 17 years of thorough research.

"Bill Cooper is the world's leading expert on UFOs." - Billy Goodman, KVEG, Las Vegas.

"The only man in America who has all the pieces to the puzzle that has troubled so many for so long." - Anthony Hilder, Radio Free America.

"William Cooper may be one of America's greatest heroes and this story may be the biggest story in the history of the world." - Mills Crenshaw, KTALK, Salt Lake City.

"Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate, the future is in your hands." - William Cooper, October 24, 1989.


http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/william_cooper.htm

I am sure one day we will. I feel bad for people that get mislead with craziness they find on the internet. Oh well.

Oh, it gets better.

Dig this. It's the plan for rversing global wamring, and eliminaitng pollution.




Yeah. Sure. Why didn't I think of that? Let's just squeeze off a few nukes i our upper atmosphere. That'll fix everything!!!!

http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1592.cfm

http://www.rense.com/general18/returb.htm

Dead And Missing Scientists,
Sent to Mars and other bases???

Rense is a nutter and he is anti semitic.

Or alternatively they could just be dead or missing.

The Iraqi scientists from Saddam Hussein's nuclear and biological weapons programs posed a huge risk to international safety after Saddam's fall. So why did the Bush administration refuse to track down the scientists after the 2003 invasion of Iraq? Mother Jones reports that all but three of Saddam's top 200-some nuclear scientists are missing.

http://www.motherjones.com/radio/2005/08/0..._broadcast.html

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead.scientist.news.html


Think of those spy thriller movies where they fake someone's death so that they can go to some undercover..top secret mission... ..like in space....

Or they just knew too much...

It does seem dangerous to be a scientist at the moment....

Maybe we should ask the insurance companies..if premiums are higher for scienitist..?

Think of......real life.......



Not much more dangerous than it is for the average person I'd say

Candidate #1. Suicide.


How the heck does one seemingly slash anything?? Either do it or not I thought. Might seemingly have a few beers tonight, wonder if the local law establishment will take that into account if I get pulled for DUI.......

Candidate #2. Plane Crash

Here we go, ohhhh, the thot plickens .......




Candidate #3. Suspected Murder. Possible sex death.

Know what I find the most amazing statement in the following?? - Cause of death not determined???? He was naked from the waist down, partially wedged under a chair. Don't think the cause of death would have been that hard to work out. Perhaps the reasons around the reason for the death was unclear (ie. the story leading to the event). Hardly mysterious.



Candidate #4. Plane Crash

Another suspicious aircraft crash. They bloody things fall out of the sky all the time. Ahh, but this accident is suspicious......



Candidate #5 Complications in Surgery Attempting to Repair Terminal Disease.

Alright, you have a point on this next dude, so what's your guess, do you think the Greys took him, on Mars, or did someone plan this death very carfelly............. mean people just don't die from simple little day proceedures like a little old lung transplant............



Candidate #6 Missing Person.

Think this next fellow may have run away. A missing case file. Not a murder. Most missing people eventually turn un, don't think any have turned up on Mars yet.....



Candidate #7 Car Accident.

A car accident. See where this is going. Anyone that is killed under the same circumstances is simply unfortunate. For some reason, these fellows are falling foul of the big conspiracies.



Candidate #8 Robbery Vicim

Alleged robbery. Pffftttt. Wonder if they ever worked out if the robbery took place. Alleged, sheesh. People die in robberies everyday too. This website is making out that such an untimely demise is suspicious. Just the wording alleged is trying to cast doubt on the real story and sensationalise this poor mans death. Let him rest in peace.



Candidate #9 Gangland Execution.



Triads anyone?. I thought it was just gangland killings that execute in this style. Do these alleged advanced species of Alien have gangland tactics too?? Shouldn't such an advanced species by now be capable of removing knowledge without gangland style execution to get a message through?

Candidate #10 Car Accident.

Ohhh, spooky, two scientists have died in normal everyday circumstances that remove life from this planet every minute. Ohhhahhhhhh.





Yes, vocation coupled with location affect your premiums and payouts. If you are suddenly deployed to a war zone, your payout will be higher for your loved ones

Sorry to sound facetious, not intending to be so (well.....maybe just a little), I just find all this sort of information purposefully misleading. I think it should be put back into it's real perspective. That website quite sensationalises these events. Th events sourrounding the deaths of the mentioned scientists just really isn't all that suspicious.

http://shr.aaas.org/dpsehp/dir.pdf

http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6521


Marconi Scientists Mystery
List compiled by Raymond A. Robinson in 'The Alien Intent'
(A Dire Warning)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030208080844/...scientists.html
(Thanks Joe C. for the web archive link.)

(On this update to the Marconi File, date variances have been submitted by Cal S. and are in red - 4/9/2006)
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In the 1980’s over two dozen science graduates and experts working for Marconi or Plessey Defence Systems died in mysterious circumstances, most appearing to be ‘suicides.’ The MOD denied these scientists had been involved in classified Star Wars Projects and that the deaths were in any way connected.

Judge for yourself...



March 1982: Professor Keith Bowden, 46
--Expertise: Computer programmer and scientist at Essex University engaged in work for Marconi, who was hailed as an expert on super computers and computer-controlled aircraft.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when his vehicle went out of control across a dual carriageway and plunged onto a disused railway line. Police maintained he had been drinking but family and friends all denied the allegation.
--Coroner’s verdict: Accident.



April 1983: Lt-Colonel Anthony Godley, 49
--Expertise: Head of the Work Study Unit at the Royal College of Military Science.
--Circumstance of Death: Disappeared mysteriously in April 1983 without explanation. Presumed dead.



March 1985: Roger Hill, 49
--Expertise: Radar designer and draughtsman with Marconi.
--Circumstance of Death: Died by a shotgun blast at home.
--Coroner’s verdict: Suicide.



November 19, 1985: Jonathan Wash, 29
--Expertise: Digital communications expert who had worked at GEC and at British Telecom’s secret research centre at Martlesham Heath, Suffolk.
--Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of falling from a hotel room in Abidjan, West Africa, while working for British Telecom. He had expressed fears that his life was in danger.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.



August 4, 1986: Vimal Dajibhai, 24
NOTE: My records show this date to be Oct. 1986
--Expertise: Computer software engineer with Marconi, responsible for testing computer control systems of Tigerfish and Stingray torpedoes at Marconi Underwater Systems at Croxley Green, Hertfordshire.
--Circumstance of Death: Death by 74m (240ft.) fall from Clifton Suspension Bridge, Bristol. Police report on the body mentioned a needle-sized puncture wound on the left buttock, but this was later dismissed as being a result of the fall. Dajibhai had been looking forward to starting a new job in the City of London and friends had confirmed that there was no reason for him to commit suicide. At the time of his death he was in the last week of his work with Marconi.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.



October 1986: Arshad Sharif, 26
--Expertise: Reported to have been working on systems for the detection of submarines by satellite.
--Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of placing a ligature around his neck, tying the other end to a tree and then driving off in his car with the accelerator pedal jammed down. His unusual death was complicated by several issues: Sharif lived near Vimal Dajibhai in Stanmore, Middlesex, he committed suicide in Bristol and, inexplicably, had spent the last night of his life in a rooming house. He had paid for his accommodation in cash and was seen to have a bundle of high-denomination banknotes in his possession. While the police were told of the banknotes, no mention was made of them at the inquest and they were never found. In addition, most of the other guests at the rooming house worked at British Aerospace prior to working for Marconi, Sharif had also worked at British Aerospace on guided weapons technology.
--Coroner’s verdict: Suicide.



January 1987: Richard Pugh, 37
--Expertise: MOD computer consultant and digital communications expert.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his flat in with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Rope was tied around his body, coiling four times around his neck.
--Coroner’s verdict: Accident.



January 12, 1987: Dr. John Brittan, 52
NOTE: My records show this one to be 1986
--Expertise: Scientist formerly engaged in top secret work at the Royal College of Military Science at Shrivenham, Oxfordshire, and later deployed in a research department at the MOD.
--Circumstance of Death: Death by carbon monoxide poisoning in his own garage, shortly after returning from a trip to the US in connection with his work.
--Coroner’s verdict: Accident.



February 1987: David Skeels, 43
--Expertise: Engineer with Marconi.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.



February 1987: Victor Moore, 46
--Expertise: Design Engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems.
--Circumstance of Death: Died from an overdose.
--Coroner’s verdict: Suicide.



February 22, 1987: Peter Peapell, 46
--Expertise: Scientist at the Royal College of Military Science. He had been working on testing titanium for it’s resistance to explosives and the use of computer analysis of signals from metals.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead allegedly from carbon monoxide poisoning, in his Oxfordshire garage. The circumstances of his death raised some elements of doubt. His wife had found him on his back with his head parallel to the rear car bumper and his mouth in line with the exhaust pipe, with the car engine running. Police were apparently baffled as to how he could have manoeuvred into the position in which he was found.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.



March 30, 1987: David Sands, 37
--Expertise: Senior scientist working for Easams of Camberley, Surrey, a sister company to Marconi. Dr. John Brittan had also worked at Camberley.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when he allegedly made a sudden U-turn on a dual carriageway while on his way to work, crashing at high speed into a disused cafeteria. He was found still wearing his seat belt and it was discovered that the car had been carrying additional petrol cans. None of the ‘normal’ reasons for a possible suicide could be found.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.



April 1987: George Kountis (age unknown)
--Expertise: Systems Analyst at Bristol Polytechnic.
--Circumstance of Death: Drowned the same day as Shani Warren (see below) - as the result of a car accident, his upturned car being found in the River Mersey, Liverpool.
--Coroner’s verdict: Misadventure.
(Kountis’ sister called for a fresh inquest as she thought 'things didn’t add up.')



April 10, 1987: Shani Warren, 26
--Expertise: Personal assistant in a company called Micro Scope, which was taken over by GEC Marconi less than four weeks after her death.
--Circumstance of Death: Found drowned in 45cm. (18in) of water, not far from the site of David Greenhalgh’s death fall. NOTE: My records show Greenhalgh also died on April 10, 1987 when he fell off of a bridge. Warren died exactly one week after the death of Stuart Gooding and serious injury to Greenhalgh. She was found gagged with a noose around her neck. Her feet were also bound and her hands tied behind her back.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.
(It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)



April 10, 1987: Stuart Gooding, 23
--Expertise: Postgraduate research student at the Royal College of Military Science.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash while on holiday in Cyprus. The death occurred at the same time as college personnel were carrying out exercises on Cyprus.
--Coroner’s verdict: Accident.



April 24, 1987: Mark Wisner, 24
--Expertise: Software engineer at the MOD.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead on in a house shared with two colleagues. He was found with a plastic sack around his head and several feet of cling film around his face. The method of death was almost identical to that of Richard Pugh some three months earlier.
--Coroner’s verdict: Accident.



May 3, 1987: Michael Baker, 22
--Expertise: Digital communications expert working on a defence project at Plessey; part-time member of Signals Corps SAS.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal accident when his car crashed through a barrier near Poole in Dorset.
--Coroner’s verdict: Misadventure.



June 1987: Jennings, Frank, 60
--Expertise: Electronic Weapons Engineer with Plessey.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead from a heart attack.
--No inquest.



January 1988: Russell Smith, 23
--Expertise: Laboratory technician with the Atomic Energy Research Establishment at Harwell, Oxfordshire.
--Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of a cliff fall at Boscastle in Cornwall.
--Coroner’s verdict: Suicide.



March 25, 1988: Trevor Knight, 52
NOTE: My records show Trevor Knight dying in May 1988.
--Expertise: Computer engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems in Stanmore, Middlesex.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead at his home in Harpenden, Hertfordshire at the wheel of his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. A St.Alban’s coroner said that Knight’s woman friend, Miss Narmada Thanki (who also worked with him at Marconi) had found three suicide notes left by him which made clear his intentions. Miss Thanki had mentioned that Knight disliked his work but she did not detect any depression that would have driven him to suicide.
--Coroner’s verdict: Suicide.



August 1988: Alistair Beckham, 50
--Expertise: Software engineer with Plessey Defence Systems.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead after being electrocuted in his garden shed with wires connected to his body.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open.



August 22, 1988: Peter Ferry, 60
--Expertise: Retired Army Brigadier and an Assistant Marketing Director with Marconi.
--Circumstance of Death: Found on 22nd or 23rd August 1988 electrocuted in his company flat with electrical leads in his mouth.
--Coroner’s verdict: Open



September 1988: Andrew Hall, 33
--Expertise: Engineering Manager with British Aerospace.
--Circumstance of Death: Carbon monoxide poisoning in a car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust.
--Coroner’s verdict: Suicide.

End of Marconi File
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1988: Stanley Irving Sigal, 35
--Expertise: Top AIDS researcher at Merck's.
--Circumstance of Death: In seat number 13B on Pan American Flight that was shot down over Lockerbee Scotland.
http://web.syr.edu/~vpaf103/victims.htm



1994/95?: Dr. Jawad Al Aubaidi
--Expertise: Veterinary mycoplasma and had worked with various mycoplasmas in the 1980s at Plum Island.
--Circumstance of Death: He was killed in his native Iraq while he was changing a flat tire and hit by a truck.
Source: Patricia A. Doyle, PhD



April 1996: Dr. Clive Bruton
--Expertise: He had just produced a paper on a new strain of CJD. He was a CJD specialist who was killed before his work was announced to the public. He had been publicly arguing that deaths from CJD were going unrecognised because it was assumed that Alzheimer disease - which has indistinguishable symptoms - was the cause.
--Circumstance of Death: He died in a car crash after an apparent heart attack.



May 7, 1996: Tsunao Saitoh PhD, 46
--Expertise: He was professor of neurosciences at the University of California, San Diego. was an internationally respected researcher into the reasons for diseases such as Alzheimer's and had been doing ground-breaking research on the deformation of the amyloid brain protein (found in CJD and Alzheimer's).
--Circumstance of Death: He and his 13 year-old daughter were killed in La Jolla, California, in what a Reuters report described as a "very professionally done" shooting. He was dead behind the wheel of the car, the side window had been shot out, and the door was open. His daughter appeared to have tried to run away and she was shot dead, also.



Dec 25, 1997: Sidney Harshman, 67
--Expertise: Professor of microbiology and immunology.
"He was the world's leading expert on staphylococcal alpha toxins," according to Conrad Wagner, professor of biochemistry at Vanderbilt and a close friend of Professor Harshman. "He also deeply cared for other people and was always eager to help his students and colleagues."
--Circumstance of Death: Complications of diabetes



July 10, 1998: Elizabeth A. Rich, M.D., 46
--Expertise: An associate professor with tenure in the pulmonary division of the Department of Medicine at CWRU and University Hospitals of Cleveland. She was also a member of the executive committee for the Center for AIDS Research and directed the biosafety level 3 facility, a specialized laboratory for the handling of HIV, virulent TB bacteria, and other infectious agents.
--Circumstance of Death: Killed in a traffic accident while visiting family in Tennessee



September 1998: Jonathan Mann, 51
--Expertise: Founding director of the World Health Organisation's global Aids programme and founded Project SIDA in Zaire, the most comprehensive Aids research effort in Africa at the time, and in 1986 he joined the WHO to lead the global response against Aids. He became director of WHO's global programme on Aids which later became the UNAids programme. He then became director of the Francois-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights, which was set up at Harvard School of Public Health in 1993. He caused controversy earlier this year in the post when he accused the US National Institutes of Health of violating human rights by failing to act quickly on developing Aids vaccines.
--Circumstance of Death: Died in the Swissair Flight 111 crash in Canada.



March 2000: Larry C. Ford
--Expertise: Served as a consultant to both the CIA and the chemical and biological-weapons program of the South African Defense Forces, headed by Wouter Basson. His contributions to Basson's program included lectures on converting ordinary items into lethal biological weapons.
He provided samples of virulent, designer strains of cholera, anthrax, botulism, plague, and malaria, as well as a bacteria he claimed had been mutated to be "pigment specific" for the white minority government of South Africa.
http://www.edwardhumes.com/articles/medicine.shtml
--Circumstance of Death: Died of a shotgun blast at his home in Irvine, Orange County, California. His death was later ruled a suicide.
http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/000055.html



April 15, 2000: Walter W. Shervington, M.D., 62
--Expertise: An extensive writer/ lecturer/ researcher about mental health and AIDS in the African American community.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of cancer at Tulane Medical Hospital.



July 16, 2000: Mike Thomas, 35
--Expertise: A microbiologist at the Crestwood Medical Center in Huntsville.
--Circumstance of Death: Died a few days after examining a sample taken from a 12-year-old girl who was diagnosed with meningitis and survived.



November 19, 2000: Dr. Fred Knauert, 57
--Expertise: He was a civilian scientist who served the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) for 17 years.
--Circumstance of Death: Died suddenly at his home.



December 25, 2000: Linda Reese, 52
--Expertise: Microbiologist working with victims of meningitis.
--Circumstance of Death: Died three days after she studied a sample from Tricia Zailo, 19, a Fairfield, N.J., resident who was a sophomore at Michigan State University. Tricia Zailo died Dec. 18, a few days after she returned home for the holidays.



February 1, 2001: Dr. Shmuel Gillis, 42
--Expertise: A senior hemotologist at Hadassah Hospital Ein Kerem in Jerusalem who treated patients suffering from leukemia and lymphoma regardless of ethnic or religious orgin.
--Circumstance of Death: Killed by 11 gunshots fired from a passing car on a section of the Jerusalem-Hebron Highway.



February 16th, 2001: Dr Joe Gibbs, 76
--Expertise: An expert on neurological diseases who helped show that maladies like mad cow disease and scrapie are infectious rather than genetic.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of a heart attack while in a hospital in Washington.



March 2001: Dr. Trudy L. Bush, 52
--Expertise: Professor of epidemiology and preventive medicine at the University of Maryland School of Medicine whose work in the field of women's health brought her international acclaim.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of undetermined causes at her home.



May 7, 2001: Professor Janusz Jeljaszewicz
--Expertise: Expert in Staphylococci and Staphylococcal Infections. His main scientific interests and achievements were in the mechanism of action and biological properties of staphylococcal toxins, and included the immunomodulatory properties and experimental treatment of tumours by Propionibacterium.



November 2001: Yaacov Matzner, 54
--Expertise: Dean of the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School in Jerusalem and chairman of the Israel Society of Hematology and Blood Transfusions, was the son of Holocaust survivors. One of the world's experts on blood diseases including familiar Mediterranean fever (FMF), Matzner conducted research that led to a genetic test for FMF. He was working on cloning the gene connected to FMF and investigating the normal physiological function of amyloid A, a protein often found in high levels in people with blood cancer.
--Circumstance of Death: Professors Yaacov Matzner and Amiram Eldor were on their way back to Israel via Switzerland when their plane came down in dense forest three kilometres short of the landing field.



November 2001: Professor Amiram Eldor, 59
--Expertise: Head of the haematology institute, Tel Aviv's Ichilov Hospital and worked for years at Hadassah-University Hospital's haematology department but left for his native Tel Aviv in 1993 to head the haematology institute at Ichilov Hospital. He was an internationally known expert on blood clotting especially in women who had repeated miscarriages and was a member of a team that identified eight new anti-clotting agents in the saliva of leeches.
--Circumstance of Death: Professors Yaacov Matzner and Amiram Eldor were on their way back to Israel via Switzerland when their plane came down in dense forest three kilometres short of the landing field.



November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris Wall, 41
--Expertise: He was a biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized in patent and intellectual property.
--Circumstance of Death: Mr. Walls body was found sprawled next to a three-story parking structure near his office. He had studied at the University of California, Los Angeles.



Nov. 16, 2001: Don C. Wiley, 57
--Expertise: One of the foremost microbiologists in the United States. Dr. Wiley, of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University, was an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza.
--Circumstance of Death: Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was found Dec. 20 in the Mississippi River.



Nov. 21, 2001: Vladimir Pasechnik, 64
--Expertise: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector; defected to the United Kingdom in 1989, played a huge role in Russian biowarfare and helped to figure out how to modify cruise missiles to deliver the agents of mass biological destruction.
--Background: founded Regma Biotechnologies company in Britain, a laboratory at Porton Down, the country´s chem-bio warfare defense establishment. Regma currently has a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax".
--Circumstance of Death: The pathologist who did the autopsy, and who also happened to be associated with Britain´s spy agency, concluded he died of a stroke. Details of the postmortem were not revealed at an inquest, in which the press was given no prior notice. Colleagues who had worked with Pasechnik said he was in good health.



Dec. 10, 2001: Robert M. Schwartz, 57
--Expertise: Expert in DNA sequencing and pathogenic micro-organisms, founding member of the Virginia Biotechnology Association, and the Executive Director of Research and Development at Virginia´s Center for Innovative Technology in Herndon.
--Circumstance of Death: stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and several of her fellow pagans have been charged.



Dec. 14, 2001: Nguyen Van Set, 44
--Expertise: animal diseases facility of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization had just come to fame for discovering a virulent strain of mousepox, which could be modified to affect smallpox.
--Circumstance of Death: died at work in Geelong, Australia, in a laboratory accident. He entered an airlocked storage lab and died from exposure to nitrogen.



January 2002: Ivan Glebov and Alexi Brushlinski.
--Expertise: Two microbiologists. Both were well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.
--Circumstance of Death: Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and Brushlinski was killed in Moscow.



January 5, 2002: Dr. Graham Ryder, 52
--Expertise: A Staff Scientist at USRA's Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston who was a premier lunar scientist that pioneered many of our most important concepts about the Moon and its evolution.
--Circumstance of Death: Died suddenly from cancer.



January 28, 2002: David W. Barry, 58
--Expertise: Scientist who codiscovered AZT, the antiviral drug that is considered the first effective treatment for AIDS.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown



Feb. 9, 2002: Victor Korshunov, 56
--Expertise: Expert in intestinal bacteria of children around the world
--Circumstance of Death: bashed over the head near his home in Moscow.



Feb. 14, 2002: Ian Langford, 40
--Expertise: expert in environmental risks and disease.
--Circumstance of Death: found dead in his home near Norwich, England, naked from the waist down and wedged under a chair.



Feb. 28, 2002: Tanya Holzmayer, 46
--Expertise: a Russian who moved to the U.S. in 1989, focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine.
--Circumstance of Death: killed by fellow microbiologist Guyang (Matthew) Huang, who shot her seven times when she opened the door to a pizza delivery. Then he shot himself.



Feb. 28, 2002: Guyang Huang, 38
--Expertise: Microbiologist
--Circumstance of Death: Apparently shot himself after shooting fellow microbiologist, Tanya Holzmayer, seven times.



March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams, 55
--Expertise: Respected astrobiologist with the British Antarctic Survey, who studied the habits of microbes that might survive in outer space.
--Circumstance of Death: Died in a freak road accident near his home in Cambridge, England. He was hit by a car while he was jogging.



March 25, 2002: Steven Mostow, 63
--Expertise: Known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and a noted expert in bioterrorism of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre.
--Circumstance of Death: died when the airplane he was piloting crashed near Denver.



August 05, 2002: David R. Knibbs, PhD., 49
--Expertise: Director of Electron Microscopy at Hartford Hospital and had a doctorate in pathobiology from the University of Connecticut. He also served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of Hartford.
--Circumstance of Death: He collapsed and died after an evening
run (one of his joys in life).



Nov. 12, 2002: Benito Que, 52
--Expertise: Expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School
--Circumstance of Death: Que left his laboratory after receiving a telephone call. Shortly afterward he was found comatose in the parking lot of the Miami Medical School. He died without regaining consciousness. Police said he had suffered a heart attack. His family insisted he had been in perfect health and claimed four men attacked him. But, later, oddly, the family inquest returned a verdict of death by natural causes.



April 2003: Carlo Urbani, 46
--Expertise: A dedicated and internationally respected Italian epidemiologist, who did work of enduring value combating infectious illness around the world.
--Circumstance of Death: Died in Bangkok from SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) - the new disease that he had helped to identify. Thanks to his prompt action, the epidemic was contained in Vietnam. However, because of close daily contact with SARS patients, he contracted the infection. On March 11, he was admitted to a hospital in Bangkok and isolated. Less than three weeks later he died.



June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman of UCSD, 47
--Expertise: An expert in infectious disease who helped the county prepare to fight bioterrorism after Sept. 11.
--Circumstance of Death: He was in the African nation of Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews of UCSD, the director of the university's Owen Clinic for AIDS patients. Dr. Rickman had complained of a headache and had gone to lie down. When he didn't appear for dinner, Mathews checked on him and found him dead. A cause has not yet been determined.



July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, 59
--Expertise: Biological warfare weapons specialist, senior post at the Ministry of Defense, an expert on DNA sequencing when he was head of microbiology at Porton Down and worked with two American scientists, Benito Que, 52, and Don Wiley, 57.
--Helped Vladimir Pasechnik found Regma Biotechnologies, which has a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax"
--Circumstance of Death: He was found dead after allegedly slashing his wrists and throat and then dragging himself a half mile away in a wooded area near his home at Southmoor, Oxfordshire while he was out for his regular walk.



Oct 11, 2003: Michael Perich, 46
--Expertise: LSU professor who helped fight the spread of the West Nile virus. Perich worked with the East Baton Rouge Parish Mosquito Control and Rodent Abatement District to determine whether mosquitoes in the area carried West Nile.
--Circumstance of Death: Walker Police Chief Elton Burns said Sunday that Perich of 5227 River Bend Blvd., Baton Rouge, crashed his Ford pickup truck about 4:30 a.m. Saturday, while heading west on Interstate 12 in Livingston Parish. Perich's truck veered right off the highway about 3 miles east of Walker, flipped and landed in rainwater, Burns said. Perich, who was wearing his seat belt, drowned. The cause of the crash is under investigation, Burns said.
"Mike is one of the few entomologists with the experience to go out and save lives today."
~ Robert A. Wirtz, chief of entomology at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention



November 22, 2003: Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45
--Expertise: He was studying the virus that was plaguing cruise ships until he was killed by a mysterious white van in November of 2003
--Circumstance of Death: Burghoff was walking on a sidewalk along the 1600 block of South Braeswood when a white van jumped the curb and hit him at 1:35 p.m. Thursday, police said. The van then sped away. Burghoff died an hour later at Memorial Hermann Hospital.



December 18, 2003: Robert Aranosia, 61
--Expertise: Oakland County deputy medical examiner
--Circumstance of Death: He was driving south on I-75 when his pickup truck went off the freeway near a bridge over the Kawkawlin River. The vehicle rolled over several times before landing in the median. Aranosia was thrown from the vehicle and ended up on the shoulder of the northbound lanes.



January 6, 2004: Dr Richard Stevens, 54
--Expertise: A haematologist. (Haematologists analyse the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues eg bone marrow)
--Circumstance of Death: Disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled.



January 23 2004: Dr. Robert E. Shope, 74
--Expertise: One of the world's top experts on viruses and infectious illnesses who was the principal author of a highly publicized 1992 report by the National Academy of Sciences warning of the possible emergence of new and unsettling infectious illnesses. He had accumulated his own collection of virus samples gathered from all over the world and worked on a Defense Department project to develop antidotes to viral agents that terrorists might use.
--Circumstance of Death: The cause was complications of a lung transplant he received in December, said his daughter Deborah Shope of Galveston. Dr. Shope had pulmonary fibrosis, a disease of unknown origin that scars the lungs.



January 24 2004: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, 62
--Expertise: One of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities. He was at the forefront in the early studies of Lassa fever, the Ebola virus and mad cow disease while at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Ga.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of massive heart attack. Coincidently, both Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.



March 13, 2004: Vadake Srinivasan
--Expertise: Was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees.
--Circumstance of Death: He died in a mysterious single car accident in Baton Rouge, La. Crashed car into a guard rail and ruled a stroke.



April 12, 2004: Ilsley Ingram, 84
--Expertise: Director of the Supraregional Haemophilia Reference Centre and the Supraregional Centre for the Diagnosis of Bleeding Disorders at the St. Thomas Hospital in London.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown



May 5, 2004: William T. McGuire, 39
--Expertise: NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
--Circumstance of Death: His dismembered body was found floating in three suitcases in the Chesapeake Bay.



May 14, 2004: Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, 56
--Expertise: Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an open letter outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of new energy research. Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.
--Circumstance of Death: Died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery.



May 25, 2004: Antonina Presnyakova
--Expertise: Former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia --Circumstance of Death: Died after accidentally sticking herself with a needle laced with Ebola.



June 22, 2004: Thomas Gold, 84
--Expertise: He was the founder, and for twenty years the director, of the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, where he was a close colleague of Planetary Society co-founder Carl Sagan. Gold was famous for his provocative, controversial, and sometimes outrageous theories. Gold’s theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. Gold sparked controversy in 1955 when he suggested that the Moon's surface is covered with a fine rock powder.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of heart failure.



June 24, 2004: Dr. Assefa Tulu, 45
--Expertise: Dr. Tulu joined the health department in 1997 and served for five years as the county's lone epidemiologist. He was charged with tracking the health of the county, including the spread of diseases, such as syphilis, AIDS and measles. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial agents. Tulu often coordinated efforts to address major health concerns in Dallas County, such as the West Nile virus outbreaks of the past few years, and worked with the media to inform the public.
--Circumstance of Death: Dallas County's chief epidemiologist, was found at his desk, died of a stroke.



June 27, 2004: Dr Paul Norman, Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, 52
--Expertise: He was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defence's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. He travelled the world lecturing on the subject of weapons of mass destruction.
--Circumstance of Death: Died when the Cessna 206 crashed shortly after taking off from Dunkeswell Airfield on Sunday. A father and daughter also died at the scene, and 44-year-old parachute instructor and Royal Marine Major Mike Wills later died in the hospital.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3860995.stm



June 29, 2004: John Mullen, 67
--Expertise: A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas.
--Circumstance of Death: Died from a huge dose of poisonous arsenic.
(Note: McDonnell Douglas did not exist in 2004. It merged with Boeing in 1997.)



July 1, 2004: Edward Hoffman, 62
--Expertise: Aside from his role as a professor, Hoffman held leadership positions within the UCLA medical community. Worked to develop the first human PET scanner in 1973 at Washington University in St. Louis.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown



July 2, 2004: Larry Bustard, 53
--Expertise: A Sandia scientist who helped develop a foam spray to clean up congressional buildings and media sites during the anthrax scare in 2001. Worked at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque. His team came up with a new technology used against biological and chemical agents.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown



July 6, 2004: Stephen Tabet, 42
--Expertise: An associate professor and epidemiologist at the University of Washington. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of an unknown illness



July 21, 2004: Dr Bassem al-Mudares
--Expertise: He was a phD chemist
--Circumstance of Death: His mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq and had been tortured before being killed.



July 21, 2004: Dr. John Badwey 54
--Expertise: Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.
--Circumstance of Death: Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks.



August 12, 2004: Professor John Clark
--Expertise: Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world’s leading animal biotechnology research centres. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame.
--Circumstance of Death: He was found hanging in his holiday home.



September 5, 2004: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani, 40
--Expertise: Iraqi nuclear scientist. He was a practising nuclear physicist since 1984.
--Circumstance of Death: He was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad.



September 27, 2004: Dr. John E. Mack, 74
--Expertise: Professor John E Mack was an eminent Harvard psychiatrist, psychoanalyst and Pulitzer Prize winner who turned the academic community upside down because he wanted to publish his research in which he said that people who claimed they had been abducted by aliens, were not crazy at all.
--Circumstance of Death: While traveling on foot in North London from the tube station, he was struck by an alleged drunk driver.
The Author of "Abduction" and "Passport to the Cosmos: Human Transformation and Alien Encounters"



October 13, 2004: Matthew Allison, 32
--Expertise: (please help provide information - thank you MJH)
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat.



November 2, 2004: John R. La Montagne
--Expertise: Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson. Was NIAID Deputy Director.
--Circumstance of Death: Died while in Mexico, no cause stated.



December 21, 2004: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher
--Expertise: Iraqi nuclear scientist
--Circumstance of Death: He was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.



December 29, 2004: Tom Thorne and Beth Williams
--Expertise: Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis
--Circumstance of Death: They were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.



January 7, 2005: Jeong H. Im, 72
--Expertise: A retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia. Primarily a protein chemist.
--Circumstance of Death: He was stabbed several times and his body was found in the trunk of his burning white, 1995 Honda inside the Maryland Avenue parking garage.



January 24, 2005: Roger L. Blair, 54
--Expertise: He worked for the Kennedy Space center as a micro-biologist and most recently for Wuesthoff Medical Center as a Medical Laboratory Technician.
--Circumstance of Death: Died suddenly



February 8, 2005: Geetha Angara, 43
--Expertise: She was a senior chemist with a doctorate from New York University.
--Circumstance of Death: Divers found her body in a 35-foot-deep water treatment tank where she was doing water quality tests at the Passaic Valley Water Commission plant in Totowa.



March 11, 2005: Hiram Graybill Daniel Jr., 61
--Expertise: For 36 years, his day job was working as an epidemiologist for the Georgia Department of Community Health, combating sexually transmitted diseases.
--Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of injuries sustained in an automobile accident.



March 29, 2005: Professor Carlos Hormaeche, 64
--Expertise: A leading international expert in microbiology and vaccine
development. From 1994 to 2002, he was professor and head of the microbiology department at Newcastle University.
--Circumstance of Death: Died in a microlight aeroplane accident in
Uruguay.



April 5, 2005: Barbara Kalow, 45
--Expertise: A FEDERAL government veterinary scientist and was a researcher before being hired by the feds in 1992 as a meat inspector.
She then moved to veterinary biologics and was promoted to the science branch to advise on animal health issues.
--Circumstance of Death: She died of asphyxiation after being smothered by a pillow in her hotel room while on vacation in Arizona.



Aril 18, 2005: Douglas Passaro, 43
--Expertise: He was an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health and had been an outbreak investigator with the Epidemic Intelligence Service for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention before completing an Infectious Diseases Fellowship at Stanford University in 2001.
--Circumstance of Death: Died suddenly at his Oak Park home.



May 8, 2005: David Banks, 55
--Expertise: He was the principal scientist with Biosecurity Australia and was involved in containing pest and disease threats. His primary mission was protecting livestock and plants in the country, and keeping diseases from crossing into Australia. He was an expert in the propagation of diseases by insect vectors, among other things.
--Circumstance of Death: He died along with 15 other people when the commuter plane he was traveling in went down in Queensland, Australia.



May 20, 2005: Robert J. Lull, 64
--Expertise: A prominent physician at San Francisco General Hospital who once headed the San Francisco Medical Society. Lull focused on improvements in diagnosis and treatment of thyroid cancer. Lull was a highly revered expert in the field of nuclear medicine, a specialty that performs diagnostic screens such as bone scans for cancer patients. Last year, Lull lectured in San Francisco about the threat of nuclear terrorism.
--Circumstance of Death: He was found stabbed to death inside the doorway of his Diamond Heights home.



June 7, 2005: Leonid Strachunsky (age unknown)
--Expertise: World Health Organization expert and director of the Anti-Microbe Therapy Research Institute who specialized in creating microbes resistant to biological weapons, to the hepatitis outbreak.
--Circumstance of Death: He was found dead in his hotel room in Moscow, where he came from Smolensk en route to the United States. He had been hit on the head with a champagne bottle, and some of his possessions were missing.



July 16 2005: William Taylor, 62
--Expertise: A former chief scientist of NASA's Space Station Freedom who was also president of INSPIRE -- Interactive NASA Space Physics Ionosphere Radio Experiments -- one of the pioneering successes in NASA Sun-Earth Connection Education.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of a heart attack at his Washington home.



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MOSSAD (Israels Secret Service) Liquidates 310 Iraqi Scientists
Mathaba.net
10-31-4

More than 310 Iraqi scientists are thought to have perished at the hands of Israeli secret agents in Iraq since fall of Baghdad to US troops in April 2003, a seminar has found.

The Iraqi ambassador in Cairo, Ahmad al-Iraqi, accused Israel of sending to Iraq immediately after the US invasion 'a commando unit' charged with the killing of Iraqi scientists.

"Israel has played a prominent role in liquidating Iraqi scientists. The campaign is part of a Zionist plan to kill Arab and Muslim scientists working in applied research which Israel sees as threatening its interests," al-Iraqi said.

http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.ne...x.shtml?x=80029

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Thanks to Steve Quayle
http://www.stevequayle.com

Thanks to the HAL TURNER SHOW
http://www.halturnershow.com/DeadBioExperts.html

Thanks to Patricia Doyle and to all of those who sent numerous emails to help correct this file and a special thanks to the members of my forum who inspired me to compile it all.

Research file: Started Nov 28 2003
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=91
DEAD SCIENTISTS MASTER LIST SUMMARY:
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6521

Mark J. Harper
November 21, 2005

http://www.organicconsumers.org/corp/suspicious012805.cfm

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_D...ientists.2.html

Are the Hidden Underground Military Bases the Real Headquarters for the New World Order?
A former Canadian military officer finally goes public with shocking information he learned while working at an underground base at Cold Lake in Canada. Although some may say his story is pure fiction, others claim the secrets to the New World Order's depopulation plan lies underground.
20 Oct 2005

By Greg Szymanski



Everyone is talking about the New World Order and a one world government, but according to a former Canadian military officer, nobody wants to believe its true sinister nature lies in the mysteries surrounding thousands of deep underground military bases scattered throughout the world. Here is his story:



Timothy of Canada tells a wild story, a story of underground military bases where animal and human sacrifices nourish the bowels of creatures that have inhabited the earth long before man arrived.



He doesn't expect anybody to believe him, saying most people will think he's talking science fiction anyway. But nevertheless he feels compelled to speak, feeling compelled to risk life and limb as the New World Order zeroes in on the last stages of its incredible worldwide population reduction plan.



"They have been delayed with their plan to reduce the world's population by 80 percent but the globalists are now stepping up their activities," said Timothy, who refuses to use his real name, in an extended conversation this week from Germany, where he's employed in the aerospace industry.



"I am not about to use my name, risking incarceration as I would be in violation of our country's State Secrets Act. Also, do you know that more than 3,000 people have been killed for trying to talk about what goes on in these underground bases. It's basically a death sentence when you start getting too close to the nerve center of the real New World Order's plans."



And Timothy says the real heart and soul of the New World Order plan lies in the mysterious underground military bases scattered all over the world, including roughly 30 in Canada, 140 in the United States and more than 1,500 worldwide.



He became privy to this top secret information when he served as a junior officer in the Canadian Armed Forces in the aerospace engineering branch, while working at one of the top secret deep underground military bases at Cold Lake in Canada.



And what he learned and what he has been researching ever since leaving the military is how this network of underground bases not only houses and conceals non-human life forms with incredible powers, but conceals an underground warehouse of sophisticated super-human technology used for mind control, advanced military weaponry and weather manipulation with the eventual goal of depopulating the world.



"Most people, including most of the so-called patriots, are sincere about defeating the New World Order, but they are really looking in the wrong direction. They need to uncover, expose and alert the people of the world what's going on below the earth's surface," said Timothy who likes to talk in a machine gun, rapid fire fashion, as he recalled first being alerted to the underground military base phenomenon when he researched the mysterious events surrounding cattle manipulation in Alberta, Canada, in the 1970's.



"It is very dangerous and you could be killed if you try to expose what the globalists are doing with this network of tunnels and underground facilities, but I have ended my silence since they are now in the final stages of there plan. Remember, AIDS being manufactured? Well, what's in store for mankind is now much worse and we need to do everything we can to try and stop the destruction of the world as we know it."



Although Timothy's story can easily be dismissed as pure fantasy, stories like his have a funny way of getting under your skin, a funny way of creeping up on you right before you fall asleep at night. They have a strange way, no matter how outlandish and unbelievable they are, to solicit questions in your mind like "What if he is telling the truth and what if these sinister plans and military bases really do exist?"



Even though Timothy has promised from his undisclosed location in Germany to provide names of at least three other people, making this initial story an ongoing saga, he provided a battery of questions and perhaps a scientific Shakespearean soliloquy of sorts in the interim, explaining why he decided to go public and why it is imperative to uncover the secrets of the underground military bases.



"With the outbreak of the flu virus I feel compelled to break my silence. Maybe some of you have heard the term New World Order and feel confused about its significance.



"From this point let's put everything into a series of hypotheticals. Maybe I do not wish to break the Official Secrets Act and wind up incarcerated. Let us pretend I am about to reveal ultra-sensitive information to you. Please approach this with an open mind.



"In the late 1970s I first became aware of the cattle mutilation phenomenon living in Alberta, Canada. The reasons given were unusual for this and it was the suppression of the outcry and true angst I sensed from the cattle farmers protesting outside of Calgary that first got to me.



"This was the first time I realized there was something seriously wrong. The hush-hush of this left a lasting impression.



"Let us assume I served as a junior officer in the Canadian Armed Forces in the Aerospace Engineering Branch. One base was Cold Lake.The members of this base wondered innocently why this was the only base where it was required to always wear a black radiation exposure detector.



"Maybe this is due to a Deep Underground Military Base with unusual aerial phenomena a few hundred statute miles north almost straight in line with Cold Lake bordering with Saskatchewan.



"What if you were to realize that Canada has over 30 DUMBs,and its neighbor to the south has over 140 active DUMBs. Worldwide there are now over 1500 DUMBs.



"Let us assume all North American DUMBs are connected below by oxygenated magnetoleviton trains from Krupp, Germany, and are able to reach MACH2+, having the tunnels vacuumed of air to eliminate air resistance. Adjacent to this is a subterranean tunnel highway.



"Let us assume that many of these bases are actually underground cities for beings that in actuality have resided here for millennia. Do you have the courage to believe this?



"All patriots who are willing to resist this New World Order should realize that globalists who have submitted are not the only problem. Maybe they have sold the rest of us out-thinking they will survive and not be enslaved as the remaining.



"What if by 2029 the global population is to be massively reduced, the remaining subjects enslaved and hauled off to underground slave labor factories to serve the global elite?



"What if the SDI project is in reality a weapon system to ward off unwanted "guests". Maybe all countries were fighting secretly a global war against strangers once they realized in the late 1970s that true intentions of inhabitants of these DUMBs were evil beyond belief.



"What if society cannot handle the truth?



"What if Eisenhower decided at Holloman AFB keeping things secret would prevent mass panic and decay into total anarchy? Examining the panic Y2K generated, has society become more courageous with time? I, for one forgive Eisenhower.



"What if over 8 million humans have literally been devoured by residents of these bases, the majority nourishing themselves with human glandular secretions?



"I do not expect anyone to believe this. But let us assume I have been privy to a lot of horrific information. Let us assume that in reality there are 143 elements in the periodic table. Maybe the only way the SR75 can reach MACH9+ is by using metal technology not of this world? Maybe the stealth aircraft use special coatings combined with electrochemical electronic countermeasures. Maybe this is why the stealth never were used when it rained in former Yugoslavia?



"Maybe the cloaking technology successfully tested at Tonapaz Range and S2 employs high frequency helix devices in the leading edges of the newest generation vehicles, refracting light making the aircraft invisible.



"Maybe I have dealt with metallurgic technology with crystalline structures not of this earth? Maybe the general public has been kept in the dark for many decades.



"I wish things were not the way they are. Nobody has the right to sell anyone out. Maybe I would not be revealing anything if I was not certain that all the secrecy and timeline is reaching a climax. We are all going to have to assert ourselves beyond belief. We have been lied to and we thought we were doing our best for betterment.



"I know mankind is destroying this planet, but I refuse to be enslaved. I am sick of the lies and the New World Order agenda. Maybe the force driving it resides in these bases. If you sense your freedoms are being revoked, you are not mistaken.



"After the last element of gun control is implemented, all freedoms will be removed within a ten year period. Never surrender your weapons. I wish this was not happening and I have had many sleepless nights, but for me I cannot stand it anymore. Never believe that the One World government is good for us. Observe the dismantling of nations now and how the United Nations is taking over.



"I wondered back then why is the Canadian military shrinking. This is no accident. The American military is becoming more and more the global force combined with NATO. What can we do? Well, I know this. I will not cooperate with anyone who has sold me out. I will fight for every right I have, simultaneously enjoying the freedom of travel which still exists. Not for long though.



"I will not believe whatever the World Health Organization dictates. Do not believe anything?



"Examine the new Denver International Airport. Maybe in reality below it is a massive DUMB with 8 levels. Why does the fence point inward? Why the unusual security? Maybe the tent spires are in actuality large ventilation shafts to the subterranean levels. Start with this airport please. If you cannot find anything bizarre there then I feel sorry for you.



"I do believe in God.He gives us faith.The New Testament in the Book of Genesis refers to the son of God. The Old Testament refers to the sons of Gods. Both refer to the serpent or demons.Maybe the residents of the DUMBs are what were meant - a serpent race.



"God bless you. Remember, this information and revealing it is not without peril. Be wise!"



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Greg Szymanski

One thing i never understand about that "the NWO will esslaved us for work in factories". It isnt cheaper to produce whit machines and robots that whit slave labors?
Its the same thing about the guys saying thet the aliens wants to eat us. It isnt cheaper and simpler to these aliens to clone humans?

YOU GOT A POINT THERE... I don't know what to think about these stories, I enjoyed reading them though.

It's like tapes.. you can only get so many copies..and copies of copies..before the quality goes...

Or it could be seen as inbreeding....

Also heard that clones are infertile......something messes up deep down....genetically..

Will the clones..have a soul??...or do they share them??? an interesting question...

Uneven scatter
To try and figure out what was going wrong, Dominko looked at 265 cloned rhesus macaque embryos created by nuclear transfer - plucking out an egg's nucleus and then adding a nucleus from a donor cell. She followed development of the embryos through several divisions, from the two-cell stage until the 32-cell stage.

Though they appeared superficially healthy, the cells in the vast majority of Dominko's embryos did not form distinct nuclei containing all the chromosomes. Instead, the chromosomes were scattered unevenly throughout the cells.

"The surprising thing is that these cells keep dividing," says Dominko. Some embryos developed to the stage known as a blastocyst, but by day six or seven they had started to look abnormal.

The cloned human embryos created by ACT didn't even get this far. Only one reached the six-cell stage.

Trauma of removal
Dominko says that the trauma of removing the nucleus from the egg might be what triggers the defects. Eggs whose nuclei are removed and then put back inside show the same abnormalities, as well as evidence of programmed cell suicide. "This is not to say that normal embryos can't be made, but not on a regular basis," says Dominko.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1679

Hiya crystal sage. Could you keep the posts down a little. Bit hard to reply to such massive posts accurately. Messes up the formatting too.

Replied to this one for space saving. Also, thought I might pointy out tat todays digital technology produces copy after copy with little or no degredation It's all just 1s and 0s now

Also, cloning should be sufficient. Surely on does not need meat to possess a soul before consumption?

Although you meticulously mention 98 cases (sheesh bet that took awile)

1 is death from cancer

7 are death from Aircraft Accidents.

14 are car accidents

14 are suicides

8 are heart attacks

3 are strokes

5 are accidents

1 dissapearance

4 are long falls

5 are possible drug usage / sex death

6 are war zone killings

4 arise from medical reasons

10 are listed as unknown

11 are listed as murder

and disease got 5

out of the 98 listed only 11 (counting one disapear and the 10 unknown - I have included the one with no cause listed here) are unexplained. I feel certain that with proper investigation that these could be resolved as well. From the murder cases we have Dr. Schwartz who was killed by his own wackaloon daughter.

Not very convincing. Wel over 50% are contributed to everyday killers, car plane accidents, disease etc. The others, well, for instance, if you work in a war zone.............

Now the unknowns I have been quite fair with. I have included cases like Matthew Allison, where it could easily be accident, or Roger L. Blair which sounds like heart attack to me. Unknown is proof of nothing. Many circumstances can lead to these deaths. Conspiracy is way down on my list. I see no connection. I see how another conspiracy theory could be born though.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/lecture.html

http://www.all-natural.com/dulce-11.html

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/20-oct-2005.html

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/bgoodund.html


http://www.geocities.com/hyperdigm/tunnels.html

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicunder.html

http://www.cbi.umn.edu/collections/inv/cbi00176.html

Scope and Content Note
The Engineering Research Associates - Remington Rand - Sperry Rand Records document research, development and production activities at company facilities in St. Paul, Minnesota. Researchers should note that these materials do not constitute the official corporate records of any of the three companies. Materials in this collection were gathered from a variety of sources, including company employees such as engineers Warren P. Burrell, John Lindsay Hill, and Jay A. Kershaw.

The bulk of the collection consists of technical information on company projects, such as the Atlas I (commercially known as ERA 1101 and UNIVAC 1101), the Logistics Computer, and the UNIVAC LARC, as well as other research and products including the magnetic drum memory. Also included are some administrative materials related to the St. Paul location, engineers' files, and materials exhibited at the ERA 40th anniversary event in 1986.

Arrangement of the Collection
Corporate Administration, 1945-1988
Technical Reports and Memoranda, 1947-1972
Filed by Project or System Name
Filed Chronologically
U.S. Military Projects
Warren P. Burrell Records, 1945-1970
Jay A. Kershaw Records, 1955-1965
John Lindsay Hill Records, 1947-1981
ERA 40th Anniversary event exhibit materials
Box and Folder List
Corporate Administration, 1946-1988
Materials consist of administrative
Photographs of unidentified machines, undated (Box 39, folder 22)
Press Releases
Remington Rand Univac press releases, 1960 (Box 3, folder 7)
Univac Press releases, 1961-1970 (Box 3, folder 8)
"Project Engineering Checklist," (Preliminary Draft), undated (Box 3, folder 9)
Remington Rand Univac "Engineering Standard Practices," 1960-1962 (Box 3, folder 10)
Remington Rand Univac Financial Report, 1956 (Box 3, folder 11)
Remington Rand Univac meeting, Santa Barbara, CA, transcript, May 17, 1957 (Box 3, folder 12)
Remington Rand Univac System Planning Dept.: (engineering) record storage list, 1962 (Box 3, folder 13)
Seminar on Digital Computing, 1952 (Box 29, folder 24)
Sperry Rand Univac Engineering Dept. organization charts, 1960 (Box 3, folder 14)
Sperry Rand Univac Military Division organization chart, 1959 (Box 3, folder 14)
Trip Reports
ERA, 1952-1956 (Box 3, folder 15)
Remington Rand Univac, 1952-1956, 1958, 1960, 1964, 1967 (Box 3, folder 16, Box 4, folders 1-6)
Staff Talks and Writings
On the Limitation of Processor-Memory Recycle Rate in a Multi-Processing System," by James C. Nelson, undated (Box 4, folder 7)
“Special Project Department, Special Purpose Data Processing Systems,” undated (Box 39, folder 20)
Storage of Numbers on Magnetic Tape," by J.M. Coombs, 1947 (Box 4, folder 8)
Selective Alteration of Digital Data in a Magnetic Drum Computer Memory," by Arnold A Cohen and William R. Keye, presented at the 1948 National Convention, Institute of Radio Engineers, 1948 (Box 4, folder 9)
Magnetic Drum Storage for Digital Information Processing Systems," by Arnold A. Cohen, 1950 (Box 4, folder 8)
Design Features of the ERA 1101 Computer," by F.C. Mullaney, presented at the Joint AIEE-IRE Computer Conference, Philadelphia, PA, December 10-12, 1951 (Box 4, folder 10)
Types of Magnetic Amplifiers: A Survey," 1951 (Box 4, folder 11)
Minimum Access Programming," by David P. Perry, 1952 (Box 4, folder 8)
An Electronic System for Processing Air Traffic Control Information," by R.M. Kalb, 1954 (Box 4, folder 12)
“Talk to Sperry Rand Representatives,” by C.W. Fritze, 12 December 1957 (Box 39, folder 21)
Thoughts on Engineering Management," by J.C. Chu, 1959 (Box 4, folder 13)
Computer-Aided Radar Tracking," by E.J. Block et al, to be presented at 1962 FJCC (Box 4, folder 14)
Summary: Data Handling at an AMR Tracking Station," to be presented at 1962 FJCC (Box 4, folder 15)
Univac Conflict of Interest Policy, ca. 1962 (Box 4, folder 16)
Univac Defense Operations - Design Practices, October 20, 1964 (Box 4, folder 17)
UNIVAC Engineering Symposium program and agenda (first), January 16-18, 1963 (Box 4, folder 18)
UNIVAC Engineering Symposium (papers presented, agendas, etc.), October 9-11, 1963 (Box 4, folder 19)
UNIVAC Memory Systems Development department minutes, December 31, 1962 (Box 4, folder 20)
"UNIVAC Military Engineering Symposia," First Quarter (Box 40, folder 2)
"UNIVAC Products- Saint Paul: A Handbook of Major Products Designed, Developed, and Manufactured at Remington Rand UNIVAC from 1947-1959," 1959 (Box 5, folder 1)
"UNIVAC Products- St. Paul: A Handbook of Major Products Designed, Developed, and Produced During 1960 and 1961 at Remington Rand UNIVAC, Volume II," 1961 (Box 5, folder 2)



Not to sure if I'm pointing out the right bits..but you get the drift....


http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter27.htm

even if all this seems far fetched.....it would certainly make a lot of great thriller movies..

http://www.subversiveelement.com/FireFromSky17.html

Can't argue with that

Good grief.

Why don't they just make everything in China like everyone else does?

From the Dead Sea Scrolls....

http://777001.com/?q=spiritual/1328

The scrolls continue to reveal the coming change of world currency that will occur without warning. Physical and Spiritual healing will continue despite the warnings of silence by established religion. The secrets of longevity, as shared by friends from other worlds, will be accepted by many people on this planet. It speaks again of visits by earthquakes; and the rich, lush, vast lands of serene beauty on the inner parts of this planet; Venus; Mars; Jupiter and many others. Also terms of warning, concerning the approaching plagues and destroying [the] millions who remain on the Earth following the mass evacuation, which will take place within a short period of time following the turn of this century.