Norio Hayakawa: I am not here to defend nor to put Bob Lazar down. The fact is that Bob Lazar has been categorized as a fraud by most so-called UFO researchers and the public-at-large, although there are still some who hold on to the belief that Bob Lazar was who he said he was and that he did everything that he claimed.One person that still totally and adamantly supports Bob Lazar's claims is KLAS-TV Eyewitness News anchorman, George Knapp, and of course, Bob's friend, Las Vegas real estate appraiser, Gene Huff.Is Bob Lazar a total fraud?I am still not sure on this. I still do have some unanswered questions.As for Bob Lazar's timeline, the whole world had already been familiar with Tom Mahood's timeline of Lazar, which he published in 1994.However, not everyone is familiar with Gene Huff's 1995 rebuttal of Tom Mahood's timeline of Lazar.But, thanks to Gary Sellani, Gene Huff's 1995 rebuttal of Tom Mahood's timeline was once again posted on the dreamlandresort.com recently.

As I said above, personally, I still have some unanswered questions on Bob Lazar:It was on February 21, 1990 that a crew of Nippon Television Network (NTV) of Japan and I (total of 7) had an opportunity to visit and interview Bob Lazar at his residence in Las Vegas. This was made possible through Bob's friend, real estate appraiser, Gene Huff.We arrived at Bob's residence around 11 a.m., or so, to the best of my recollection.They took us to the living room, which at that time did not seem to me to be fully furnished and "lived". They showed us Bob's study room, which also did not seem to me to be fully furnished. Yes, there were a few books on physics on the bookshelf and there were computers on his desk. In any case, the interview was conducted by a writer from a magazine and I was simply there as an interpreter.The interview lasted about two hours.When we arrived at his house, there were about 5 or 6 men in the house.At first I thought they were simply Bob's friends. But later on I notieced something unusual about some of those men. It seemed that throughout the interview, whether in the living room or in Bob's study room, two men were constantly on each side of Bob. One of them seemed to have a rectangular black communications equipment with him. Perhaps it could have been a cellphone (although this was in 1990).When we moved to the kitchen area, those two men also moved alongside Bob. When we moved to Bob's study room, those men also moved together with Bob.So we asked Bob, "who are these men?" Bob simply said that, "don't worry, these are just friends".Perhaps this was nothing. But I just thought to bring this up, because that's the one thing throughout the interview that impressed me the most.

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Extremely interesting -- the saga of Bob Lazar continues. I really wonder what this guy's true story really is. I think what it gets down to is that he once worked at Area 51 and is now subject to all kinds of super secret government scrutiny -- did he really work on UFOs there? - I really doubt it -- yet is stories are tantalizing. He's probably a pawn in a game of government psy-opps.

For me it's not so much about what other people say about Bob Lazar, as it is what Bob Lazar has to say himself, especially about physics. Now, if Mr. Lazar's academic record had been wiped clean like he claims, he would still have the education and knowledge of someone with advanced degrees in physics, right?

However, when other people who actually do have this level of education look at what Mr. Lazar is saying, they are simply not convinced. Even Stanton Friedman, a staunch UFO supporter and a physicist, does not find Mr. Lazar credible. Take a look here where a physicist (Dr. David Morgan) comments:

I can agree with that.

Ok, so if we have it all wrong...what's right? Einstein didn't just say that the Newtonian concept of the universe was *wrong* and offer nothing in it's place. One has to have *something* before they can simply dismiss everything. People always say we need to think "outside the box", but to really do this in a rational manner one needs to know what's "inside the box" first. Mr. Lazar doesn't appear to have a clue as to what's "inside the box"as far as physics goes.

Since Mr. Lazar has entered the private sector and has little to do with the Area 51 or the UFO community now, are we not beating a DEAD Horse?

This is all old news. I am more curious as to who is saying what in 2006.

we could be wrong, we could be right, we might never know... all I know is evolution never happened

I just want to say that the method of propulsion Bob Lazar described as being used by the alien crafts is the ONLY theoretically viable method of travelling from point A to point B efficiently at near-light speeds or seemingly faster-then-light speeds.

If any of you saw the documentary called "How William Shatner Changed The World" you may remember a part where they interviewed a theoretical physicist about the warp engines used by The Enterpries in Star Trek. His description on warping space-time around the spacecraft, expanding behiend and contracting in front, in order to propell the spacecraft around is exactly what Bob Lazar described except he also described a mechanism of warping space-time involving the super-positioning of sythetically produced heavy elements (element 115) to produce Space-Time distortions.

Why? We can still operate with what we think we know, and as long as it works, what's the problem? Just know that we don't know and we can figure it out when we figure it out, and I do endorse figureing it out.

It's just like the difference between being able to operate a car, and being able to build one. Most of us drive just fine not knowing how to build a car. Electricity, same thing. Don't have to understand it (like we Really understand it anyway...) to know how to operate a blender. Scary? Maybe yes, a little. But a more desireable position than false hope of "real knowledge" that will change tomorrow.

Without these incorrect facts we might not deduce the truth... I'm not slamming science or data or the search for knowledge, but I am frowning at the ones that are so sure of themselves to reach conclusions on a tenuous first premise. A hypothesis is a guess. I'm simply agreeing with the physisist.

You mean his statement here?



I'm pretty sure Dr. Morgan is being a tad sarcastic here, he's saying that it's Mr. Lazar who does not understand these concepts...not that we don't know anything about these subjects.

BTW, while I can not build a car, someone can. The knowledge and technology of how to build an automobile is known. Automobiles can and do exist, this is a fact. Not everything is simply a hypothesis, some things are indeed known. I think this is what Dr. Morgan was getting at.

Analogies can only take one so far. If you understand that a person does not have to know how to build a car to drive it, that's as far as we need to go.

So we understand gravity, spacetime, stellar evolution?

I think we think we think we understand them, but there's quite a Whole Lot to be tweaked before we're close to understanding them correctly. Every time science corrects itself (a good trait), that means that yesterday it was wrong (ignored and scoffed, science is never wrong!). Guesswork does exsist in science.

Y'all don't know already? Bob Lazar is a fraud. Its been proven and is obvious (to a man of science) from his on television interviews.

Think the original article is saying more than fraud, closer to a disinfo agent?

Lilly

It's not that we've got those things wrong, it's that we simply do not fully understand them.
Gravity, nuclear interactions, space-time and stellar evolution are some of the grander things we just don't have adequate explanations for. In fact, isn't all knowledge descriptive and not intrinsic, (relative to the observer) or am I just playing with words? To be honest I've got an self awarded advanced degree in it!

Good Grief! I never said that we completely understand the subjects you mention. Even Stephen Hawking doesn't say this! What I was saying is that Dr. David Morgan (a physicist) and Stanton Friedman (a physicist) do not find Mr. Lazar's description of the physics behind UFOs to be at all credible. Stanton Friedman flat out called Lazar "a hoaxer", based (I'm pretty sure) on Mr. Friedman's knowledge of physics.

BTW, what is a "self awarded advanced degree"?

Lilly, point taken. Self awarded advanced degree? I was just being stupid, enjoy playing with words, but they never end up with satisfactory explanations that remove all doubt. I used 'advanced' from your post.

Good grief. That old saying is playing with words.

An oxymoron...how can grief ever really be good (?). The English language can be very weird.

But, back to the original story, I just can't see where Bob Lazar has even approached supporting the claims that he's made.