given the right conditions humans can evolve faster and more elightened than the mere caveman out there ,because of the location this cradle was the first, very first.the hight to which the cape breton highlands were back then was above the clowds and the most enlightened dwelled ,these men and woman or gods and goddesses to which they were looked apone as ,lived in harmoney as one. as in heven as on earth.because man did not fallow this rule of harmonie they had to be wiped cleane and start a new thats were plato comes in to give man intrest to seek the truth of a time when we thought as one.jesus also brought word of the first father our god in truth and showed how he is aptaned through oneself. now the reson i brought up jesus is he brings truth of the father in the west.the story plato talkes about with the golden gate city is in the east from the mother ,it was aceinte athanes that liberated east of the pillars and it was sopheia that created man of greeks without her consorts knowlede so they were lacking the truth of the father but claimed it for there own truth a basterized vertion of the truth.and just like the middle east and the middel americas and china are all basterized truths of the one which is the first the last and forever .location ,location,location 3 things you need when you sell somthing even an idea,and i'll say it again because of the geoligy of cape breton island shows me that the earth is repesented in cape breton because it took all the earth to make the island (dry land), and that is a very strong foundation to start a theiory and plus the bedrock on the west side of the island has been carved by someone and i can show you were but i can't tell you how they did it but its done and its writen right in the stone and i go at my leizer and dig ,its not about money with me ,i'm on a search for my root in me and that has brought me to the father ,if i wanted money i would write a book but i only give the truth that i know and ask nothing in return,it is up to you to drink the water or just walk on by.when the path that i'm creating is done then you and all who want to see what i see can walk that path but for now it is just me on that path with shovel in hand and what i find you will soon know at no cost .i geuss what i'm trying to say is that man can evolve faster then others if given the right conditions (all the right conditions).

So, what you're saying then is that 400,000,000 years ago there were humans living on top of a huge mountain in what is now Nova Scotia. And this is what gave rise to the legend of Atlantis some 399,997,000 years later.

And you know it's true because you found something carved on a rock.

Guess it's quite handy that in 400,000,000 years written languages haven't changed at all....

No, there's plenty of time. Looking at the correlated history of earth, a graphical representation, it's obvious how easiy it would be for another type of sentient life to evolve during the history of life on earth. First there's Bacteria and Prokaryotes, which showed up around 3.5 billion years ago. Then comes Archaea at 2.8 billion years ago, Protoctista and Eukaryotes at 2.2 billion years, Plantae at 1.6 billion years, and Fungi at 1.4 billion years.

Now, assuming sentient life didn't arise from those other kingdoms (bacteria and archaea aren't really kingdoms but worthy of note separately), which is entirely possible, we finally have Animalia at 800 million years. Within the animal kingdom are Cordata arriving 510 million years ago, Amphibia 360 million years ago, Amniota and Reptilia 340 million years ago, synapsids 300 million years ago, and Mammalia 240 million years ago (and Aves 210 million years ago). Now, you can say that all leads up to humans, from Eukaryotes onward (with a few deviations that don't really fit) and that it doesn't leave room for anything else to evolve, but that's failing to take some very important events into account. Events that, without them, we most likely wouldn't have existed.

Extinction.

Everyone knows about the K-T impact, which wiped out the dinosaurs in the Cretaceous, but there has been a lot more over the history of life on earth. Especially the Permian extinction 250 million years ago, which makes the end of the dinosaurs look like a slight cold. Not all of these were major, some affected only one kingdom, phylum, class, etc. I list each major phylum or class as well and indicate where I can, if an entire group was wiped out. Just remember, we're talking about entire species and sometimes even entire groups going extinct. It's like wiping out all the housecats or even every related cat on the planet. Losing all the placodermi might not seem big, but it really is. Starting from the bottom up, bolded means major event:

520 million years ago - Cambrian - 1 phylum in 1 kingdom affected (Animalia)
505 million years ago - Cambrian - 2 phylums in 1 kingdom affected (Animalia)
440 million years ago - Ordovician/Silurian - 7 phylums in 1 kingdom (Animalia)
365 million years ago - Devonian - 5 phylums (1 class hit hard) in 1 kingdom affected (Animalia)
360 million years ago - Carboniferous (Mississippian) - 3 phylums (1 class hit hard) in 1 kingdom (Animalia)
250 million years ago- - Permian/Triassic - Protoctista, Plant, and Animal Kingdoms majorly affected. In Animal Kingdom, 13 Phylums affected. Entire Amphibian class zapped. All non-chordate animals heavily affected. Trilobites, acanthodii, and placodermi (each a class) is entirely wiped out along with many many others. Synapsids go extinct 10 million years later, giving rise to mammals.
214 million years ago - Triassic - 5 phylums in 2 kingdoms affected (Protoctista, Animalia)
205 million years ago - Triassic/Jurassic - 3 phylums in 1 kingdom affected (Animalia).
180-175 million years ago - Jurassic - Reptiles get hit in 3 major subclasses
147 million years ago - Jurassic/Cretaceous - 2 phylums in animal kingdom affected. Mostly reptilia
95 million years ago - Cretaceous - End of the Spinosauridae
65 million years ago - Cretaceous/Paleogene - 5 phylums in 3 kingdoms affected (Protoctista, Plantae, Animalia). Dinosaurs wiped out. Many plants wiped out. Reptilia (dinosaurs) hurt the most.
35 million years ago - Paleogene - 2 phylums in 2 kingdoms affected (Protoctista, Animalia). Mammals take heavy hit.
2.5 million years ago - Neogene/Quaternary - Protoctista zapped

And those are just the extinction events. That doesn't include others that went extinct on their own, as far as we can tell.

The point of this long, and probably boring, discussion is that with all the intense activity going on, we absolutely cannot say for sure that there was never another intelligent species on the planet. People make the mistake of thinking any intelligent species will be like us, humanoid, with the same structures and whatnot. That is a mistake. There is no rule that says intelligent life HAS to be similar to us. That's an arrogant assumption for one. For all we know, jellyfish could have been intelligent, but because they are soft-bodied organisms and not well preserved in the fossil record (an understatement if there ever was one), we would have no record of it. As I said before, the fossil record that we have is very very tiny. We can't even begin to say we know what all the life was like on earth in the past because we don't know what all is there.

Look at it this way. Between my fiance and I, we have almost 300 DVDs. Think of that as the history of life on earth. In the process of uncovering my DVD shelf, you find Stargate, Jurassic Park, Red Dwarf, Hellboy, Subway, Transformers, Metropolis, Haxan, 2001, Journey to the Center of Time, and Tobor the Great. That represents what we have uncovered in the fossil record. From looking at that, you would assume that we have a strong affinity for science fiction and in fact, would define us as being primarily science fiction enthusiasts. However, what hasn't been discovered yet is lots of John Wayne movies, documentaries, comedy routines and television shows, dramas like The AViator and The 25th Hour, and cheesy action movies. Even if the John Wayne movies (11) make up less than 4% of the entire collection, that doesn't mean they don't exist or could never exist. They just haven't been found yet.



I didn't realize people were assuming that something broke off from the dinosaurs. Dinosauria is only an infraclass of the class Reptilia, which is a small part of phylum Chordata, which is only a small part of kingdom Animalia. It's not like there were dinosaurs and then there were mammals. There's the invertebrates to think of, at the very least. Amphibians, plants, fungi, etc.



Like I've said, it could be there but we haven't found it yet. Antarctica used to be tropical from fossils we've found, but we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the organisms that used to live there because very little of the continent is reachable. Same with the northern regions.

Also, that's assuming there would be a sentient species that was even like us. Like I said, to assume that is arrogant. And for all we know, they could have been smarter than us and not run rampant across the globe. Of course, even thinking of an intelligence drastically different from our own would lead to mere speculation, because we couldn't even begin to understand the motivations of say, an intelligent jellyfish.

Of course, the other problem is an intelligent species that lived on earth long before the humans and were wiped out couldn't really be associated with Atlantis. Like I said before, how would the story have survived long enough for humans?



I agree. While I don't discount the possibility that there was intelligent life that arose on this planet, Atlantis seems more fitting to an alien species. A small colony in one section of the planet would be most likely to leave no trace, or if it did, be isolated enough that it might never be found.

The only problem with an alien race running around here is that it would have had to show up when humans had been at least decently established in order for stories to have survived.

One last thought on Atlantis. Personally, I would love to make up a story like Atlantis and have people be speculating on it for centuries to come. The thought of everyone going nuts to find my mythical city makes me snicker in glee. So how do we know it wasn't just a joke?



I am anxiously awaiting season 9 to come out on DVD. Though I am annoyed they finally started making slim packs, now that I've already spent a lot of money over the past several years on the other sets. The obsessive in me wants all the DVDs to match each other, while the practical part of me points out it's a waste of money. Sigh.

One more thing:

We assume humans are the height of evolution and that evolution means a species gets better. All evolution means is change. A species living now is merely better adapted to survive in the current environment than it might be a few million years ago. In the Devonian, insects were huge. 10 foot long centipedes, dragonflies the side of large birds, etc. However, when the oxygen content lessened, the insects could no longer sustain large bodies and had to shrink in size. 10 foot long centipedes would not survive today because the oxygen content is much lower. Because it evolved this way, it doesn't mean it's necessarily better, just adapted to fit the environment.

I am so glad there aren't 10 ft centipedes today. Because I'd never leave my house.

The site you linked shows that these glyphs are not fake, as does the following site:

Catchpenny's Egyptian Site - Pharoah's helicopter

The glyphs are a palimpsest, which is basically just one thing written on top of another. Usually this involves erasing words on paper (or papyrus) and writing over them. In the case of these glyphs, it involved Ramses II coming in and plastering over the titulary portion of the text in order to replace the name of Seti I (Ramses' father) with his own.

Not unusual for the Egyptians to do this. Unfortunately, some of the plaster has since fallen out, causing some weird patterns in the hieroglyphs.

BTW, that Catchpenny site contains answers to a boatload of Egyptian "Mysteries." Here's a link to the Catchpenny index page:
Catchpenny's Mysteries of Ancient Egypt

Put that one in your "favorites" folder if you care anything about the Ancient Egyptians and what pseudohistorians are doing to them these days.

Harte

I agree that there is all kinds of time for even human civilizations to have come and gone long, long before the current epoch of recorded history.

The conventional story of man's smooth descent, or ascent as Bronowski had it, presents a neat consensus about a neat series of events going up up up and culminating in our exalted status today, but its correspondence to reality is controversial.

The conventional story of a steadily ascending state of human technology resembles the data even less, to my mind.

We already know of "lost" civilizations and technologies. There are ancient Egyptian artifacts that cannot be reproduced even with current technology. Few if any plausible explanations can even be offered as to how they were produced. There exists no explanation that is trivial-- which is to say that any good explanation will require major revisions in the going view of history. And that is just one example of a known civilization possessing "lost" technologies.

Consider that the current epoch of recorded human history is only 5,000 years old, and even in that short timespan, entire civilizations have been lost and important technologies forgotten. In 5,000 years, most of the world has had time to go from the Stone Age to advanced industrialization. That is somewhere between 1/20th and 1/50th of homo sapiens' tenure on this planet. I do not see any basis whatsoever for saying that civilization could not have arisen during some other 20th or 50th of our natural history.

On the contrary, if humans managed to make civilization during our own tiny slice of time, I would need a very sound reason to believe that they couldn't have done it during some other time. Perhaps civilization did arise during another interglacial period and was ruined, wiped out, and forgotten in the ensuing ice age. This possibility is stunningly obvious. The real question is, what is supposed to be so special about the last 5,000 years that it is the only time that humans could possibly have invented civilization? Nothing that I can see.

Add to homo sapiens tenure on the planet the timespan in which hominids have possessed language and tools, and therefore "culture," and you have a timespan 200 to 500 times as long as recorded history. To say that we know for sure what hominids did and didn't manufacture during every little 5,000 year blip of that timespan seems utterly baseless to me.

This is one of the reasons why the proposition of Atlantis or similar "lost" civilizations never struck me as particularly weird, much less "paranormal."

Once again, you managed to say what I was trying to in much less time and probably boringness than I did it.

I'd also like to emphasize my statement that there could be traces, but we haven't found it yet. Thera is a good example of a population that was completely obliterated. Pompeii, while not obliterated, was buried and all trace of it lost. No one really knew it had existed, much less still existed in ruins, even building a new city on the site. It wasn't until recently that Pompeii was discovered and excavated.

We make discovieries all the time of new archaeological sites that we didn't know existed previously.

Yes, Troy and Elba come to mind also. And wasn't Jericho thought to be mythical? These city-states were a really big deal just 2,000 or 3,000 years ago, and they managed to get completely lost.

mm guys I'm new member here..
mm but I think it's possible atlantis is ever exist
I saw the references and it seems it is ever exist
even troy become true why atlantis don't??

no what i'm trying to say is that 400,000,000 is when this cradle was made,there had to be the seperating of the sexes by the seperating of n.a and s.a .when the seperation happened the island was created this pillar was just beyond the pillars of herculis.after that this cradel being cape breton was able to bring life out of the sea to walk on earth, i said because of a hint of the aciente ones in myth there could be life before the seperation.well the bedrock is carved but its not because what you said,i said i don't know who carved it but the island and its make up best fitts the story the peaple who carved the stone are bured benneth the earth, for it took generations remember the story to carve to try and out do the prier generation .i said nothing about language ,are you trying to be a smart arse.

This is hardly true. If this is one "example," then please, where is your "example?"


This seems a reasonable statement. But we must recognize that it is pure speculation.
I don't think anyone has ever said that such an ancient civilization is "impossible." It's just that we use science to determine facts, at least in this day and age, and science requires evidence. In the scientific method, "could have"- without any supporting evidence at all - is the same as worthless.



While it may be an overly large generalization, it's not "baseless."
We do, after all, have artifactual evidence extending from today all the way back to periods predating Homo Sapiens. We know, in other words, what Erectus was capable of, at the minimum at least. Similarly for the other Erectus-type hominids (Merganser, Habilis, etc.) We even have artifacts from the Australopithicines.

One thing to remember here is that there is a vast gulf between the ideas of "culture" and "civilization." Bacteria, after all, can be "cultured."

The term 'civilization' is usually used to indicate a culture with a surplus of food and goods (and thus at least some leisure,) some sort of hierarchical organization, and - very important here - the capability of writing or recording what they know as a way to remember things or pass things on to the next generation.

Until we find some evidence of this sort of thing that predates the Sumerians, then Archaeology is perfectly correct in assuming such an ancient civilization never existed. But, Archaeology is not correct in stating as fact that it could not have existed, and this is not, to my knowledge, what is claimed.

Harte

Hi,
sorry I don't want to be irrespectful, but I'm just wondering why do you need to have a surplus of food and goods to be a civilization? Cause then, the term civilization wouldn't apply to nomadic people, but it does because they are considered a civilization

Daniella2310,
I put up only a partial definition of civilization, and that was from memory.

I suppose that definitions of such things must be agreed upon so that researchers can all be on the same page when they refer to some culture as being civilized.

I'm no anthropologist. I've looked up several definitions of civilization before, however. This one particular definition, from Wikipedia, is the one I usually go by. Here's a partial quote from it:

Source: Wikipedia

There are several generalities in the above that I do not like. Such as the one about the "accumulation of more material possessions than in simpler societies..." I can envision advanced civilizations where the exact opposite of this could be true. But I note that the preface to this short list states that "civilizations have shared some or all..." of these traits, so I guess they aren't exactly carved in stone.

From this, the surplus you asked about is necessary so that every single person is not constantly engaged in producing food just in order to stay alive. This allows for the development of certain things that could not have been developed without a food surplus.

But, the nomadic cultures you mention do have a surplus of food, generally. They are tenders of livestock usually, which often represents a huge food surplus. Also, many nomadic cultures were only nomadic to take advantage of growing seasons, and were actually quite accomplished at agriculture.

Harte

400 million years ago in the Devonian, there was plenty of life that had already living on land for a long time. Not including vascular plants, which had also been bumming around land for a long time. And N and S America were being smushed together, not pulled apart.

And I have absolutely no idea what you mean by separation of the sexes. Unless you mean the 10 ft centipedes that were wandering around.

Yes, I believe it is true, in fact, and I was hoping someone would be interested enough to ask for specifics. Among the artifacts on the page linked below are several whose mode of manufacture is unknown, but which are clearly the result of advanced methods and tools. For example, the stone vases with necks too narrow to admit a pinky finger, yet leading to bulbous bases hollowed out inside to extremely precise tolerances-- nobody alive today can make these or indeed offer a plausible means of making them. Some 30,000 such objects were found at the step pyramid of Saqqara, IIRC.

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/e...s/hrdfact3.html

Add to this the more well-known feats of megalithic engineering achieved by the ancient Egyptians (which are actually underappreciated and of which I will be glad to give examples), which perhaps, at a stretch, could be achieved today but in fact are not, and you have evidence, literally in stone, of a culture possessing technology that was lost and forgotten for millenia and which we perhaps have still not recovered.



Agreed.



You haven't. Some, however, seem to find the notion of lost civilizations outrageous, right up there with little green men building the pyramids, perhaps because it overturns the notion of human evolution and history as a more or less steady upward climb in sophistication. I'm just saying we already have examples that cast severe doubt on that view-- examples, if you will, of "lost civilizations."



Agreed, we use science to determine facts. I don't agree that "could have" is the same as worthless. Having discovered that something could happen could lead someone to discover that (as I allege) it did happen, which in turn leads one to investigate whether or not it happened more than once. The value of "could happen" is certainly greater than "couldn't happen."



Granted.



I absolutely agree. The etymology of the word "civilization" reveals exactly how I mean to use it.



Granted. I would say there's no need to assume or assert anything positive or negative about the existence of lost civilizations, or anything else, unless doing so best explains observations that don't otherwise make sense. If the idea of Atlantis had no bearing on any puzzle currently on our hands, I would agree that we might as well speculate about the existence of pink unicorns in distant galaxies.

But there is that nagging question of the global, cross-cultural flood myth, for example. It certainly doesn't make a fact of the old legend Plato wrote down. Far from it. But it would certainly tie up that global flood myth pretty neatly if some true event gave rise to it. Occam would like it. So it's fun to look in that direction, and really not so wacky a thing to do.

seperating of the sexes,male and female your calling me wacko what is so hard to understand,the earth was comming from the one to the two,the two make up the one,you can't have the one without the two.(the mother and father being repisentated in the dry land)

and yes n.a and s.a. were being squished , but with n.a. this happened in a counter clock rotation , thats why the islands in the north are still in sight but the ones in the south make up the rest of north america by the comming together of canada and u.s.a. you see this with the st. lawence river and mississippi river with the fault lines there of.

and when the time is up on this counter clockwise motion ,what started as being crooked so long ago by the lack of the father in truth will be one and n.a will rotat in clockwise motion and yes the west coast will be wiped clean and the island that make up north america will be seen in truth that they are.

The "separation of the sexes" happened way way way before 400 million years ago. You said that 400 million years ago:

1. life was emerging on land
2. North and South America were being pulled apart
3. separate sexes had emerged

None of that is correct. In reality, 400 million years ago during the Devonian:

1. Life had already been established on land
2. North and South America were being pushed together
3. Separate sexes had already long been established in the sea and on land

So you see, I really don't understand what your point is.



Actually, North America was moving straight up during this period and then started to rotate clockwise in the Silurian.

You might want to take a look at this. It's a (21 MB) Quicktime animation of the movement of the continents through history. It starts in the present and runs backwards, but if you rewind it, you can see it from the past to present. I apologize for the quality. It's an animation that's part of the Earth System History geology educational software for colleges and doesn't seem to be entirely happy running as a movie on its own. Hopefully that will give you a better idea of just what the earth was doing 400 million years ago.

it started moveing in a counterclock wise motion when that huge mt that cape breton is the capestone started to subside when the island was created not the mt of corse its gonna go straight up when creating mts i'm talking about after the seperation when it became an island just beyond the pillars

there was a good 200,000,000 years between the creation of this mt and the seperating of the land masses plenty of time for life to evolve yes but this life that was created was as one there had to be a polearity for man to come about and when this happened with the seperation of the land masses you had the two that came from the one. you need the right conditions in order for beast to evovle to man then to be inlightened though understanding of god apon high as one.one must have a cradle in order to put the child in,and cape breton is that cradle.

Cape Breton is in Canada and humans are thought to have arisen in Africa. Life first arose (supposedly) in oceanic vents. Are you saying that Cape Breton is where life first crawled out of the ocean?

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Do u think that time civilisation will have this kind of sapien or look like this
kind of species?

Civilization will look like this:

hahah isnt this that creature from HELLBOY (the movie) ???

ATLANTIS may be buried deep inside the sea in ANTARCTICA.

http://www.violations.dabsol.co.uk/discover/discover.htm

Strong evidence from the researcher state that there's a bedrock surface underlying West Antarctica lies hundreds of meters below sea level.

Antarctica then, was not always hiding in the sunless frozen wastelands of the planet, but many millions ago was located further north where it enjoyed a more temperate climate. When the Lystrosaurus roamed the continent, the Earth resembled the top illustration and by the time the Cryolophosaurus ellioti was making its mark on the planet, Antarctica had broken away to form its own continent.

Over millions of years the continents continued to drift away from each other, with India ploughing across the oceans to later collide with Asia and force up the Himalayan Mountains. Slowly the continent drifted into what is now called the Antarctic Circle, making conditions impossible for land mammals to survive.

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But if Atlantis existed millions of years ago, then Plato would not have been able to write of it and thus any so ancient civilization would not be atlantis

That's what I keep wondering. Who passed on the stories?

Atlantis will arise when our world having troubles and chaos between the year 2030-2040.

Our human civilisation will be affected when our oil production is reaching as its peak
through 2030....

All continent consist of 50 nation will experiencing depletion of resource such as overpopulation, the depletion of nonrenewable resources, environmental damage, pollution, soil erosion, global warming, newly emerging diseases, and resource war.

http://dieoff.org/page234.htm

THE RISING OF ATLANTIS WILL SHALL BE AT THIS TIME WHEN HUMAN CIVILISATION
WIPING OUT ON THIS PLANET AND BEGINING OF THE NEW WORLD AS PER PREDICTED
BY THE BIBLE, SUMERIAN WRITING, PYRAMID hieroglyphs.............

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It's begin with a new journey, a new life, a new creation and a better civilised world and
inter-galactic planet around our universe.

I've never heard of Atlantis in the Bible... or the Sumerians mentioning Atlantis... or hieroglyphs anywhere in any pyramid or anywhere in Egypt for that matter, that mention Atlantis... Atlantis was first written about by Plato around 360BC, in a story!

Ok now, I would be ok if someone came to me and say: Atlantis exists, its submerged somewhere. I would be like ok. But if someone comes and tells me that Atlantis will ARISE( i would assume from the ocean), it would just make me look at that person like this :

There is, however, a small mention of a flood myth in the Bible, wherein human civilization is wiped out.



I think their flood legend is viewed as the prototype for the Biblical one.



Yes, it seems all cultures had their own names and other details for their flood myths. The impressive thing is that so many cultures worldwide have them. One thing that would explain it is the actual existence of a global seafaring civilization that flooded or sank, scattering its survivors all over the world.

is this the time when BIGFOOT does the wedding with michael jackson, and they have babys looking like godzilla

i am serious people are getting CRAZYER every day, but what i am wondering is who lets them get on the internet,

Damn Lunies

if one were looking it would be a good place to start

through the storyes in myths by word of mouth like father who teaches his son though the storyes which he learned from his father and so on

the flood myths predate the account of Atlantis by millenia... the flood myths probably come from the global flooding at the end of the ice age... I'm sure many paleolithic cultures were displaced, so tales of catastrophic floods would abound.

atlantis could have been the garden of eden or heaven on earth.

the mic-mac have a story ,THE BIG WATER CAME AND DROWNED THE WHOLE WORLD.
now the mic-mac name today for p.e.i is (EPE'KWITK).that means like 'the- side-of-a-boat-when-you-see-it-a-long-way-off-and-it-seems-to-be-low-in-the-water.'here is were it gets funny from the top of the mt on the west side of cape breton which has been in my family for hundreds of years you can see that boat,and it does look like its heavy in the water.there is an older name for p.e.i. among the mic-mac peaple in the el-time.that is'OOKCHIKTOOLNOO'and it means 'our great boat.

not could IS

Excellent point Pax, and I was wondering if anyone was going to make it.

People give too much credence to the objective reality of Plato's tale, when you consider that he was no historian. But even if he was a historian, in those days, it wasn't really clear what a historian should be tasked to do. Probably the most famous historian of ancient Greece was Herodotus. But the histories he wrote were mainly comprised of tales he'd collected from various peoples. He pretty much just wrote down everything he heard, most of it was pretty wild and certainly not true. But even given all that, Herodotus never wrote down anything at all that in the slightest bit resembled Plato's Atlantean tale.

Also, there is this fact. The prologue to The Timaeus contains the following lines:

Source: The Timaeus by Plato
Scroll about 1/3 of the way down to find this quote of Critias in the Timaeus.

The "city and citizens which you yesterday described to us in fiction..." that Critias mentions here come from "The Republic," which in Plato's Dialogues was narrated by Socrates the day before Critias tells his tale. (Critias is setting up his tale - "The Critias" here before Timaeus begins his story in this dialogue.) Note that Critias is saying here that he will take the fictional account and apply it to Athens, "supposing" that the "imagined" citizens of The Republic were "our ancestors."

To me, that reads like Plato telling us that the entire thing is just metaphorical.

Harte

What nobody ever mentions is that, among the reams of cultures with flood myths, the majority of these cultures live in or near flood plains.

There is also the fact that many cultures heard the Biblical flood myth from missionaries centuries ago, and incorporated the myth into their own legends!

Harte

u know king arthur never mentioned were he got the holy grail from.think about it then king arthur mentions about going to a special place after his death i forgot the name he used though for the place.

The other thing to consider is that the Atlantis as described by the only source of Atlantean legends is not the fantabulous utopia that everyone thinks it is. The Atlanteans were a brutal and fierce conquering race, who dominated the land with an iron fist. The wonderful society that Plato talked about was not the ancient Atlanteans, but rather the ancient Athenians, who beat the Atlanteans back to their island, but were unfortunately destroyed in the disaster.

Avalon.

But Arthur is a fictional character, at least the Arthur we know.

There may well have been a real Arthur, but there is nothing about him in history, at least not yet.

Harte

there u go avalon thats the place.but even though arthur wasent mentioned in the bible he is related to the legends of it.

and this proves ATLANTIS story HOW ???

my grandpas grendpas grendpa was told by his grandpa that atlantis doesnt exist, i belive this rather than your story

any incedent or even minoral topic related posts are welcome and m.a.d gave something that might not seem intresting but it can help.

sir pointing out in a direction is perfectlly fine, but saying iwht 100% certainty that this is place where atlantis is, and now even claiming that CIVILIZATION started here, with 0% proof is just ludacris,
i mean first of all we have NO PROOF atlantis ever existed, and hes CLAIMS he KNOWS where it is,

i would advise him to start diggin, and exploring, maybe i see his name in national geographic one day

geoligists may have found atlantis off the coast off india.they found head stones and other artifacts that had no relation to india or its nearby countries.

first,the reason i put the tale by the mic-macs ,the talk was about a great flood if you remember .and bosanchero the proof of the capitale island is writen in the stone of cape breton the geoligy of the island, if like you say there was a civilization that beleived in the oneness of all in harmony like the people of atlantis don't you think they would start with a strong foundation and having a place were the world was one and have a repasentation of the earth as one plus it was the highest and it was in the location of just beyond the pillars at one time in the past have all the tectonic plates to make plus evatents of it subsiding do you know even were cape breton is. if you think there is 0 proof then come here and i'll walk you through and open your eyes and ears and show the truth that you are so blind to see

yes you are correct but could you provide ANY PROOF of this yes i am talking about atlantis beeing here do you have pictures, artifacts or ANYTHING in general that can prove your point (other than your word that is)