this is a discussion forum, if you post something ridicules don't be surprised if people disagree... no offence meant

BTW, I DO think there are unanswered questions about human history before the ice age ended, from what I have studied there is no indication humans were any less intelligent than modern humans... I just don't think a place called Atlantis had anything to do with REAL history, Atlantis was first written about by Plato around 360 BC, and his account doesn't mention super science, aircraft, nuclear weapons or any of the other fantastic things some people want to attribute to the Atlanteans...

users.cihost.com/ata/atlantis/splash.jpg

In the picture you can clearly see landscapes in the background.
It's late gotta go to sleep so here's a website:

users.cihost.com/ata/atlantis.htm


I'm gonna do some research tomorrow can't do it today cause it's late, gotta go to bed.

those ruins (if they are actually man made) are located off the shore of the Japanese island Yonaguni... Japan is in the Pacific ocean, Plato clearly states that Atlantis was in the Atlantic ocean... still interesting though, I await a final verdict on the man made/altered aspect...

LINK-> Yonaguni

If its by Japan it may be Lemuria...which is i think the Pacific versian of alantis...i think.

Yeah, Lemuria was in the South-Pacific, and was allegedly around in the same era as Atlantis.

1. What is Lemuria?

It's an ancient land predating any civilization we currently know. There is some disagreement about where it was located, what the inhabitants looked like, etc., but most seem to put it as a continent in the Pacific ocean. The name is actually "Mu", someone named an ancient land that sunk near India "Lemuria" and it seems to have stuck in reference to the ancient land that pre-dates Atlantis.

2. Are Lemuria and Atlantis related?

Some believe that Atlantis and Lemuria were around partially at the same time and that the more scientific-rational group inhabited Atlantis, and Lemuria had more individuals that were more artistically and spiritually inclined. Some also believe that large-scale experiments which took place in Atlantis caused the eventual destruction of both civilizations because of dramatic geo-physical dislocations.

LOL, Lemuria is even less likely than Atlantis... Its 19th century origins lie in attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography. Lemuria has been rendered superfluous by modern understanding of plate tectonics... there NEVER was a Lemuria...

LINK-> Lemuria

Okay, but it could have been a city on a plate, or smaller than a continent anway. Things like that could have existed, it's just unlikely.

many cases of lost cities exist, more may be found... lost continents are another matter, the more science learns about the geology of the earth, the less likely these lost continents could exist...

LINK-> Lost city
LINK-> Lost lands

theres no lost continant,the huge islands that plato talks about is north america only they are squished together ,theres fault lines that run east and west and north and south going though north america.

what north america is not continent its ISLAND ?

didn't Plato say Atlantis sank? North America is not underwater...

this is for the peanut galley or the last two ,i can be a smart ass too.

it is the capital island which is the capestone of that great mt that sank not the whole continant,while the island sank at least 4 times in the past it squished north america together .

if you two still think that a whole continant would sink benneth the waves,and
it is still just beyond the pillars good luck,but it is quite apparent that you two have no understanding on what you say.

and please explain your selfs if you can which i doubt it that you can,

were along the mid-atlantic ridge did this happen, this is were the seperation happened and north america as islands started its journey west in a counter clock motion,now it moves about 10cm a year and it took at least 200,000,000 years to do so.

WOW, if you say Atlantis is there, it MUST be true... please post some pictures of the ruins ASAP, I'm sure we all would like to see them... you should contact a museum or university as well, I expect I'll be seeing you and Atlantis on the evening news soon... you'll be in the history books with Heinrich Schliemann... your going to be famous

I think someone should make a translation dictionary, M.A.D to English, it would be a best seller among all people who visit the UM forums.

in the last 8 day's there were over 2250 + people that were looking at this thread and your the only one that is saying that you don't understand what i'm saying,what don't you understand?

All of it!

We're still trying to figure out how Atlantis - a bronze age civilisation that thought Athens in 9,600BC - was a mountain that formed 400 million years ago by the collision of 3 tectonic plates (Laurentia, Baltica and Avalonia) and of which the much denuded base now forms Cape Breton Island....

Maybe if you could continue writing in proper English (you've finally proved you can if you really try ) you could explain how your theory works again? Why, for example, did the Atlanteans, living in N AMerica, decide to cross the Atlantic to fight Athens?

And what happened to the Atlanteans afterwards, especially since Cape Breton clearly didn't sink beneath the sea after Athens defeated the Atlantean army.

well that explains it why you don't understand, your not looking at the truth.
for one the make up of cape breton island was the comming together of the aspy terrane,bras d'or terrane,mira terrane,and precambrain shield rocks and the overlying sedimentary rocks(gypsum and limestone,sandstone,and coal-bearing units).
but in a unique way.

and why would the atlanteans go east and fight the people of athens?

well at that time that plato talked about atlantis it was all ready in a free fall from grace.
because of the blood sacrefices being done at the golden gate city in the east on the island.
a huge revalution within atlantis between the ones of truth and of light(good ones)and the ones that claimed the truth as there own and of dark(bad ones).
now the dark ones of course went east and liberated east of the pillars which is understandable it was far enough in land to not to be effected by the comming natural desaster and having a superier knowledge of the sea and all the arts which they claimed for themselfs(spiritauly and earthly) knowledge.
now the ones of light and truth went to there mt and the father our god in the west part of the island ,for guidents in were they should go when this natural desaster would accure ,
and this is were the first story of a man and a boat came into play with all the animals that he had and he went west then south to middel and south america.far enuff away not to be harmed by what was going to happen in the atlantic region

now one should know that this happened at least 4 times in the past with the rise and fall of human contiousness from the dark to light and back down again.
through the generations of us we are now at the rise of the truth and the cleanning of the earth of the ones that think they have that truth.

yeah, sure, whatever... any progress with those pictures of Atlantean ruins?

Good Lord. I can't be YET ANOTHER Atlantis thread is up and going. When are people going to realize that 9000 years before Plato's time would have put Atlantis in an Ice Age, meaning that locating it anywhere north of maybe Portugal would be wrong? Not to mention that there is no evidence of an Atlantean sized mini-continent in the Atlantic ocean anytime during that period. Nor any archaeological evidence of an Athens during that time period, either.

I agree, I hope Plato is writhing in hell for bringing this topic to us. Were it not for him we would not have endless debates about wether Atlantis existed. The truth is it only ever existed in Platos and maybe Socrates heads, nowhere else.

no luck ,maybe you can help ,what would stop a picture if it was scanned and once on a file won't go through when i try the file attachment,i don't understand,it can stop alot of arguments on this thread if i can.

heres how you do it...

click 'add reply', you'll be in the text window... below the text window is 'Post Options', below post options is 'File Attachments', in the middle of 'File Attachments' is a button 'Browse'. click that and navigate to where your picture is... double click the picture, click 'Add This Attachment', in the window that pops down click the 'Add into Post' button... there you go

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BTW, there is a size limit... a file larger than 250KB will be rejected... so check the size first. you would need to resize the JPG file...

i thank you muchly i will try later on tonight in the pm hopfully ,the wife wants on this thing
now .

actually i have been saying it since you made your first post i do try to understand your point, but sometimes it really is HARD to read what you are talking about.
why??? because you "pack up" 10 diferent ideas in one sentence

story was passed down to plato by his father, who supposebly got it from some egyptian prists

lol only thing that i can ever think of when topic is "Atlantis" is that Maybe Just Maybe it was a city created somewhere NEAR sea during the ICE AGE PERIOD, after ice melted/ water rised up it was buried down
and i am talking just about a city not a magnificent civilization that everyone thinks ATLANTIS were,

Some theories about the lost continent Atlantis was that it was covered with ice and is that place we today know as Antarctica. Why was it covered with ice? One answer was that a pole shift occured so that Atlantis unfortunatly became the new south pole. Of course this theories were pointed out to be ridicoulus from the established scientific elite.
Also samples show that the icecap some places are much older than 10-15.000 years that is believed to be the period that Atlantis was lost for good.

But let us anyway say that this really occured. Of course the Northpole then had to be another place. My guess? Some place in northern Scandinavia! There the ice were rapidly disappearing some 10.000 years ago after the last iceage. Coincidence?

Pole shift? BS! Maybe not..
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/beri...icht-69677.html

Now we just have to wait the say that this event can occour much faster and more often than first expected and like clockwork! Atlantis rising, 2012

Here are my views on Atlantis. I don't think that Atlantis possessed, at any time, any technologies or special plants that could cure everything. I do, however, believe that it was a city that sunk out in the sea, and I do believe that it sunk due to the eruption of a volcano/earthquake.

Possibly their demise came about from 'Playing with Fire'(Nuclear),...as many early authors & researchers
claim,...eg, Andrew Tomas,Brad Steiger,Jurgen Spanuth,James Bramwell,Talor Hanson....
The list goes on. I have only read a fraction of them but they ALL basicly claim the same thing,....
The discovery of Atomic/nuclear energy & as time went on they started getting
'cocky',..for lack of a better word, and evently wiping themselves out.

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Please tell me where Plato says that Atlantis had nuclear weapons, as there are no other Contempary reports of Atlantis, therefore there is no evidence of nuclear activity in Atlantis.

I'm not disputing it either way,....just keeping an open mind....But if plato knew anything,
more than likely he did, how is he to explain it (terminoligy wise) for us to understand it today and or vise versa.
The authors i mentioned say the Atlantians, some of them anyway saw disaster comming
and bolted to other parts of the globe, how else can it be explained of the close similarity in the pyrimid structures etc etc on most parts of the earth.
Incidentally,... i was speaking of more recent writers that i mentioned, eg from 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's & 70's.
Also i never mentioned anything about 'Nuclear Weapons'. I said the possibility of harnessing 'Nuclear Power'... & then somehow they botched it up, thats according to the authors that i mentioned. On contempary reports,... are you kidding.
I'm not knocking Plato, but what makes his research any more or less indepth than contemparies
& theres been stacks of them over the last 100yrs on "THE LOST CITY OF ATLANTIS".

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If Atlantis had that sort of technolgy though, how come they were defeated by the bronze age Athenians?

a better question is, if Atlantis dates 9000 years before Plato wrote the story... who were these Athenians? there were no people, Greek or otherwise, on the islands we call Greece today 11000 years ago...

LINK-> History of Greece

are you trying to tell me Plato LIED that bastard

anyways lets face it only real info we can find about atlantis is in the COMIC BOOOKSSSS

and ofcourse if you belive in atlantis u have to belive in spiderman, superman, batman, and all the other great great creatures . . .

if u are italian or from balkans u must know ZAGOR legendary DARKWOOD hero lol

I think people are assuming to much of how advanced atlantis possibly was. I don't believe in any super advanced civilization, but they may have known more. Look at all the knowledge lost when the ancient library at ancient egypt burned down. some things are forgotten by time.

Atlantis and other ancient civilisations were as real as we are here today. If you want to read something to convince you then read the books by Rand Flem-Ath and Charles Hapgood...

If you look at the earth from 'underneath', then Antactica is an island which is surrounded by the World Ocean... Plato said that Atlanis was to be found beyond the Pillars of Herecles, (The Staights of Gibraltar). The Atlantic Ocean was THE Ocean in Platos time, the Pacific Ocean was named by Magellan and the Indian and Antarctic Oceans named long after Plato. Have a look at a US Navy map to see what I mean.

Unfortaunately Hapgood's theory is 50 yeras out of date (we've since discovered these thing called plate tectonics which explains everything 100 times better than Hapgood's theory) and Antarctica has been rather cold and icey for a good few million years.

Still, if Atlantis was Antarctica, and there was no Athens 10,000 years ago, then that can only mean that ...................... Plato's tale was based on a great war in which an army of penquins invaded the Mediterranean only to be defeated by 2 cavemen and a goat

i like your analeigy ,i think thats the word

no no no you got it all wrong

it was 3 caveman and 2 goats

could be 3 ,could be 4 who knows could be more?
what i would like to know is how do i reduce the size of a picture so it will go on this thread

back to atlantis, if there was a civi-with the mind in understanding it was because they saw the harmonies of things that they worked towards accoplashing .

but knowing the one and the power which its contents, has splitting the atome as early in its learning and understanding beceause of its war like veiw at the time of use.

but i think that when plato was talking about the firerock it was more like coal that he was describeing and cape breton island has plenty of it to spare and natrule gas as well,
and when the world goes to hell in a handbascet i feel that this island will be spared because of its strong foundation.

and this time around its not a fall from grace but a rise and shine of truth and righteassness.

where do you get this stuff from? just watch every Atlantis movie ever, add a dash of religion and stir? fascinating

let's hope some of them are cavewomen...

what software will you use to resize the picture? basically load the picture into a graphics program and find the resize function...

i'll keep trying ,i just thought it would be, this ,that and the other thing ,but i was wrong
there she was gone.

Pax Unum i have watched many many atlantis movies, and even the Stargate atlantis makes MORE sence than MAD's theory

I love Stargate

as for



I don't understand either

to whome wants to know i was reffering to the cavewoman but she was gone ,
on the wings of a large eagle to safty from those cavemen too which that dragone controled.

this is for my fellow canadian,nature is a big part but just a part to the big picture,
there are signs in geoligy that say that the earth was hit with more than 1 flood or natrule desaster from samples taken all over ,and plus the timeline is so long if it took 200,000,000 years to come from there to here chances are there was more than 4.

but it is these last 4 that i'm am talking about which the last was brought to me by the story of noea that man in a boat ,
the first of 4 happened about 50-60,000 years ago,
when the first fall of grace after atlantis climaxed and started this downward spiril into darkness.

you must understand there were 4 men and 4 boats in all of the 4 ,1 per each.

there had to be someone to carrei on with the truth and through the bloodlines of them this rise will come about.

this being the 5th , not a fall of grace but a rise and shine of truth,and it will be a cleaning
of the earth of all the wrongs that were started so long ago.

i swear every time i read one of these i consider commiting suecide,

are you like serious

I think he must be joking. No-one could mangle the english language like that again and again by accident.

Jesus in Atlantis
by Peter Saint-Andre

I never claimed to be the Christ,
the son of God, the savior of man,
a worker of wonders,
the ender of plunder --
martyred and anointed,
divinely appointed
to cleanse all living men of sin.

Such sin I did not recognize:
violations of long-dead rules.
I brooked no division,
no unnatural fission;
I sought one congregation,
one fellowship of nations,
one home on earth for all to live in.

Upon my death they brought me here:
the home of heroes, not of saints.
At first I didn't understand
why this was my final land,
why my death upon a cross
was a world entire's loss,
how sweet the fruits were of my search.

Only slowly did I come to see
the meaning of my too-brief life:
why some I taught did shun
the man to make god's son,
and why they lost their way
in a crowd of gods and strayed
from simple truths to build a church.

Now every year brings fresh reports
of violence done (and in my name!)
to what I held divine:
the heart and soul and mind
of each sacred living man --
not the so-called higher plans
of gods above and kings below.

I never lusted for the power
that kings and gods and rulers hold;
I wanted only to teach,
not really even to preach,
to live with those who'd share
my way of being, bare
of pretense, falseness, show.

Oh would that I could intervene
and live with men a second time,
just as some have prophesied:
straighten out my legacy
(though not as they imagine)
and wipe away the sin
that lies deep on my land of birth.

For Christians with their hundred sects,
and even their many heretics,
came to love authority
of the kind that murdered me,
lost their love for that thing --
the human soul -- that brings
good will to men and peace on earth.