what does this have to do with Atlantis being real or not? is this your best evidence Atlantis existed?

if the golden gate city is that of the mother ,than this city that is in the west is of the father that is not told by plato you must look in other places that are of the father.

and it just so happens that jesus paved the path to the father our god i mean that is for me
and the way i looks at her ,that big picture that know one can see.

to put it in a nut shell is that there is more than one city on the capital island,

and at the time that plato talkes about the city in the east the golden gate city

this city was in a down fall because of the blood sacrifises go'in on there but
the city in the west was of truth and proabley the one that enoch made for he spent the rest of his day's with god the father and is between two rivers and is in the west.

i'm thinking of the son and holy spirit and were they come into play,
and i can't have the one without the two.

and now that i have the two with the mother and the father i look for the one in jesus christ because he is on the right hand side.

and the rise and shine comes when jesus will come in the flesh as proof of his testamentand by showing the door to the father,
and christ of the bloodline will shine and open that door and walk on though.

SO JESUS MADE ATLANTIS

my how small you think, for generations the bed rock was carved by the blood of generations over a long time this went on from the highlands to the shore ,if like it was made by the gods for as long as time is ,the time can go back some 200,000,000 years plus.

jesus showes us how to understand that long time span with the blood of the generations
and the truth of the father our god the first father that is.

I SWEAR you are most pshycotic person i have ever heard of
any way that we can meet i want all this on video

shore if you got a strong back and a open mind ,theres more to do than just hold the video recorder.
theres 150 acers to play with.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ??? i meantion SHORE and VIDEO RECORDER, AND OPEN MIND, and someone playing with 150 acers ???

I think we all have been patient enough, and have had open mind since the start of the forum, but you keep switching between atlantis and religious talk, and your knowledge of english really isnt helping, to some of us sounds like you are using Online translator to talk to us.

Jesus and Christianity didn't exist when Plato wrote about Atlantis, where in the old testament does it mention Atlantis? are you drawing some parallel between the supposed Antediluvian societys and Atlantis?

yes i know that,but when plato brings us the golden gate city right and this city was on the east side of the capitale island to me this city is of the mother because of the location in the east.

now were to go to find out about the west side,if the mother is in the east than the father is in the west.

and you need the two in order to have the one,so god our father is the first father that was
is and for ever.which was placed in a tomb and reconized by his son .

this tomb of the father is his throne ,which jesus sits on his right in his tomb in flesh,
but the spirit of christ waits for the bloodline to sing that right song so christ can rap his glory around him.

and this christ of the bloodline will show what the holy spirit is about, by going through that door that jesus brought us to,like the passing of the torch from jesus to the bloodline but are one in mind ,body and spirit.

like having a new coat of flesh and picking up were he left off so long ago.

just looking at the golden gate city you will fall short of the one, it takes the two in order to have the one ,so that is why the city on the west side of the island is needed in order to see the one with the son which is jesus.

ok you said i want this on video and i said there's more to do than just hold a video recorder ,i have a 150 acers to look at,thats alot of digging are you good with a shovel

the mt i'm talking about is at least 1400 ft high and double that wide at least ,alot of ground to cover.
and that is just the throne ,the mt on the right between the two rivers is bigger,and the bedrock is carved from the top to the bottum.

I cant figure where you get this 'Pagan meets Christian' theory from... Plato was quite clear that the Gods in question were Greek, NOT Christian... oh well, you aren't the first person to put a personal spin on Atlantis, and I'm sure you wont be the last... good luck in your research

no no no i said I WANT YOUR STORY ON VIDEO !!! people pay loads of money to look at nutjobs talk about alien storys so i am pretty sure this one will sell good to

those greek gods as you would say, were what the pagans would worship because it was those gods that stold the truth from the true god our father and went east and liberated east of the pillars,( they were the most enlightened in there time as men)those that escaped the sinking of this island the last time around.

but the truth it went west and that came from god our father that is located in the west
and because when looking west from cape breton island or i should say from the mt behind the old farm house of ours you can see that boat that lookes like it ways heavy in the water,and that is the name of p.e.i. today in mic-mac.
god talkes to people differently and when a man is thinking build a boat he is looking at
the boat that he is gonna build.

and this pagan -christian theory it is not from me that you get ,i believe in the mother,the father and the son more like the book of life it took the two to make the one in me.

the hard part for you is understanding of the mother ,father ,and the son of the spirit in you.

or you would know that the mother teaches and gives a good base of understanding and the father raises you up in enlightenment,with out those two you would knot have the one (god)in you.

and this is on both levels the flesh and spirit.

and yes i know jesus did not walk the earth back in plato's time in the flesh that is,but back in plato's time it was more like a cosmic christ figure that led the jews out and into the widerness and brought them back to there land were ever they were at the time.

the old test- has plendy of stuff on god talking to the people and guiding them along.

in understanding were i'm comming from you got to put all the peices of the puzzel and make a picture of the one.

those that stole the truth and claimed it for there own was like cutting there heads off ,
they were in the east (golden gate city)because of the drinking of the bulls blood ,black magic had takin controle and for generations this went on,but in the west part of the capital island of atlantis you had a different way of understanding goin on.

that that is the father our god in truth was what was goin on,on the west side of the cape breton highlands.

and i say this because those highlands have been here sience the seperation of that super contanent pangiea ,but only come down to earth as of today and i think its time i shed a little light on that .

and that is why you read what you read on this that is from me.

if you think that i'm a nutjob well i can't change that ,but if your the one out of the many that has the truth on this subject then giver a go i'll read what you have to say,
but if all you can say is calling names why should i.

you're right about one thing, I don't understand what you mean... your theory is a mix of disjointed time lines, cultures and religious ideas. none of which are reflected in the historical account of Atlantis... do you have ANY evidence an advanced bronze age, or even advanced stone age civilization was ever present on Cape Breton island? ruins, sculptures, inscriptions?

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the proof is the bedrock that is the island,the atlantean people carved it over many generations .

the resaon i say the highlands the topsoil is not that thik there.

so they MADE THE ISLAND ?

do you lack that much understanding or what ?

the island was made 350 to 400 million years ago i went though that all ready

this may sound like it don't but it do's ,thank you for the essay now i know what you mean with the 5th cycle.

i thank you and hope to hear from you.

Is MAD still babbling randomly.

Everytime i read his posts i end up with a migraine

Actually Dragons are real. If your more of an evolusionist then you would know that anyone living in the era when large lizard like creatures roamed the earth to the more recent times of just finding massive skeletal structures anyone who could spin a tale of horrific creatures could show what a dragon looked like.

But if your more into the creation why of life then you would know that in bible, god speaks to Job about a fire breathing Laviathin (basically big creature).

So Dragons are real.

well if the glaciers carved out the bedrock of cape breton island like thoughs educated ideotes say it has well you would have crooves in the rock that go in a some what of a streaight line being controled by gravetie what i mean is something so big as a glacier can't make sharp truns.

you can see this in n.y state i think were the glacier scraped the rock you can see the scratches in the bedrock.

what i mean when it comes to cape breton is that ,the island was not at the level above sea level as it is today .

the story that we have from plato is that a land mass sank an island and it went beneth the waves ,now because of the make up of cape breton with all its terranes and rock mass
and location gives it the spot to look .

the simple fact that this island was at a great hight above sea level in the past,
and with dectonics and the moveing of the plates that make up north america.
this pillar cape breton came down to earth and the signs are all over this island that i call home if you know were to look and how.

the shadows of the past shine through in a splender of beauty a great time to see this is druing celtec colours in the fall and travel the cabot trail and you will see.

because you lack that that is the father in truth

Yes I do "Believe", (spell it right) in Atlantis, however I do not believe it to be exactly as Plato described it. I think it is more like 5000 to 7000 years ago in the Mediterranean Sea at the isle of Crete. Knossos being one of the cities in Atlantis. Even though it is called the center of the Minoan Civilization, the Minoan and the Atlantean Civilzations may be the same thing. As for the part of it submerging underwater, a volcano erupted at Santorini, basically a small scale of a super volcano and sent tidal waves and made a big gaping hole in the island. This is what many believe to be the end of the Minoan/ Atlantean Civilization before the ancient Greeks came to the isle of Crete. This would make sense as it is older than when Plato wrote his myth of Atlantis and it is in his surrounding sphere of influence. The Americas were not known to the Europeans at this period in time including Plato yes.. so this Atlantis he spoke of couldn't have been over there. Although it is not 12,000 years old this was a very advanced ancient civilization indeed, finds including intracite sewage systems and architectural marvels at the palace of Knossos. The surrounding islands and landmasses around Santorini may have also been a part of Atlantis, having a vast trading network. Also on the island of santorini, below hundreds of feet of ash, a culture roughly 5,000 years old was found very well preserved, proving there had been a civilization in the Mediterranean sea before 3000 B.C. and that the super volcano at Santorini had destroyed it in roughly 1650 B.C.

So there you have it, watch the special on the Discovery channel, as I believe this to be the most accurate theory for Atlantis. However, I don't think Atlantis was as technologically advanced as Plato described it, but probably the most technologically advanced of its time period.
Any comments or questions you have for my explanation just refer to my name Bokonontheancient. Thanks.
P.S. - a link to some of the facts I got. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/...60429124854.htm

Before there can be any talk of Atlantis as truth it is necessary to find an Egyptian account of Atlantis.

Until this is done there can be no proof that Plato didn't just make the story up...

Until there is evidence of Atlantis from an Egyptian source it can be considered nothing but a work of fiction.

Why is it only limited to an Egyptian's account of Atlantis for you?

Because Plato claims that he got his information on Atlantis from an Egyptian priest. If the Egyptians did not have knowledge of Atlantis then Plato either lied about his source or it was a work of fiction all along

Ah, thanks for the info.

Your welcome.

crete is a good place to see a city state of atlantis but not the capital island.
the make up of crete being a volcano is to young and was formed after the capital island.
and if you retrace dectonic drift back to the one land mass ,crete is inside the pillars ,and cape breton island would be in the right place just beyond the pillars.
when the seperation of the land mass happened cape breton of today being the capstone of a great pillar subsided and when the dust setteled the island of cape breton was just beyond the pillars and through dectonic drift north america went in a counter clock wise motion and you have were its at today.

there is more then likly something on atlantis in egypt you just got to find it ,but there is many cases were a new guy comes into power and he would clear all that was before.

when the island subsided they lost that that was the father our god in truth.

the people of this island were spread to the four corners of the earth,and had to start over and this took many generation to accur.

That may be so. But until it is found there is NO supporting evidence for Platos works. Until it is found it is just a fable.

there is another way of finding the truth behind atlantis ,find a place in the atlantic and having all the signs of atlantis ,if one knows what to look for.

i found that place in cape breton,from the make up of the stone to the culter of the people that live here.

M.A.D - you're crazy, and you need to learn how to spell. Read the dictionary please. Why are you so hooked on Cape Brenton anyways, and as a scholar you need to take in different varying viewpoints to better understand the subject matter at hand..

In the Atlantis debate it is very important to remember that the ONLY historical account of Atlantis comes from Plato. Therefore that is the ONLY means of proof available. The texts of Plato have been retranslated and edited many times.

And most importantly there is NO reason to think he was doing anything else then writing a fiction/fable. He was one of the greatest authors of fiction of all time so why should Timaues or Critaeus be any different

as far as being crazy two docs,say i'm not,and i did take in to account but the others don't have the right timelines.

cape breton has the right make up in the rock it was at the right location in the past(tectonic drift)and the island of today is the capestone of that great pillar that subsided at least 4 times in the past.

this maybe so but we still have a story of a capital island that i find very simalar to cape breton.

Atlantis supposedly WAS an island, what do you mean by 'capital island'? Plato says:

do you think Cape Breton is the remains of this mountain? doe's Cape Breton have red, white and black rock? are there ruins of the palace? are the moats and tunnels there?

LINK-> Atlantis

Plate Tectonics possibly explains the motion of the Continental Plates around the globe but it assumes that the drift of the Plates is a constant motion. There is no evidence that says that this is the case.
By extrapolating a 3 cm per year drifting of the South American and African Plates does not prove they were together as part of Pangea 220 million years ago.
Plate Techtonics does not disprove Hapgoods theory one bit, if anything, the two theories go hand in hand.
As for the icey Antarctica.... The Oronteus Finaeus Map!

Well done for dragging that in pax.

Its amazing how many talk about the research and knowledge they have of atlantis and yet have NEVER read the works of Plato.


Here is the surviving text of Critias by Plato
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

And here is Timaues

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

Read them and then you have a right to argue about atlantis

Atlantis -

It will never be proven real nor will be found a fruad. It's a legend and they are important. It's a mystery that allow people to dream and go on adventures real or in the mind.

Lengends never die, they only build as time go bys.

Atlantis will always be 'real' in the minds and imaginations of man, which is not a bad thing.

yes three ginds of granate yes , and yes, the moats are the water ways the of the bra'dor lakes of todayand the maira river.
if you went around cape breton you would see for your self what cape breton has .

atlantis was made up of islands ,the continate large ones, two i think,what i'm saying is that these large ones were squished together,thets say that the first one is east of the missippi and has the appalations mts in the north it stopes at the st lawerance and all points inbetween.

the second not in any order or anything but is north of the st lawerance with qubec and labad'or.

the smaller islands that are on the edges with the carabbeans islands in the south and the thousand or so that are all over the north.

but the way the north america is drifting do's give me a clue how it's in a counter clockwise
motion and how all of north america is like islands with the way the fault lines run though it.

WAKE UP

AMERICA DIDNT DRIFT OVER NIGHT !!! AND ATLANTIS IF IT EVER DID DIDNT EXIST MILLIONS OF YEAS AGO !!!

If you're so sure there are traces of an ancient culture on Cape Breton, why aren't you bringing the evidence to National Geographic, or at least the local University?