Roj47
Jul 17 2006, 12:00 PM
Depending on which forums you visit you will know that I am a huge fan of polls....., so lets get another started.
No matter where you look or what you read, inevitably man has had some hand in events.
We are arguing over global warming, species becoming extinct etc etc...
I am very interested to know what you consider to be the biggest mistake man has made on this planet.
As always apologies for any options I have not included that are relevant.
I was going to add 'lack of responsibility', but that probably would lead no problems, and to be honest covers all options.
regards
frogfish
Jul 17 2006, 12:30 PM
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Over populating Earth (leading to shortage of resources for example
Every species has a threshold...we can never "overpopulate", but our populations can become crowded
shun
Jul 17 2006, 12:52 PM
I would vote, but don't agree.
We are the product of the tendencies of hydrogen atoms to group and react.
What we do as reactive beings is not our fault. It's when we try to be non-reactive, and yes, inspired, that we transcend mere existance. I think whether it is science or art, inspired thinking is what pulls civilization forward (not to mention hard work by people!).
The biggest mistake in all this is that by some strange twist, we were not endowed with
collective thinking. If we were able to cross physical limitations, and put the power of our minds together, we would possibly have a near utopia by now.
But, that is just thinking idealistically. Our biggest mistake is Nature's mistake- limiting our potential.
Celumnaz
Jul 17 2006, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(shun @ Jul 17 2006, 07:52 AM) [snapback]1273059[/snapback]
Our biggest mistake is Nature's mistake- limiting our potential.

that would be my choice. awesome thought shun.
Edit: didn't vote, no choice to agree with.
3y3l3ss
Jul 17 2006, 03:02 PM
I didnt vote. I think mankinds biggest mistake is not banding together, treating each other as strangers and no-bodies rather than helping one another.
War-Junkie
Jul 17 2006, 09:23 PM
yes i agree if we cared and were conserned about everyone and thing we would be liveing in a better world but were only human and we sure as hell make mistakes just like every other being on earth but it is bigger since we have invented things to aid us which sometimes screwed someone else over.
lowbro
Jul 17 2006, 10:04 PM
I wish i could click them all, because in a way they are linked together.
I think we are too smart for own good, but not smart enough to save anything.
Darkwind
Jul 17 2006, 11:19 PM
Ya I agree with you lowbrow. I could have pick them all. I went with deforestation, because it impacts so many things.
If we are so darn smart why do we have war?
Concepts
Jul 17 2006, 11:37 PM
I suppose over population could be deemed the reason for all the CO2 emmisions...
But ultimatly it is the CO2 emissions that will doom HUMANS as a species far before weapons and war and that I would have to say is our biggest f*** UP.
consume, consume, consume.....
We need a huge plague to wip out around 3 billion or so and add balance to it all again, and frankly I don't see that happening anytime soon, unless H5N1 gets us.
robbieb
Jul 23 2006, 12:57 AM
over population is the cause of all the other problems if we didnt have over populations we wouldnt over populate coastal areas which wouldnt polute the oceans and kill the ania,s in them for food/ casualties woudlnt need such emence weapons capale of killing millions in case of war because there woulnt be arimes that big less people less cars and such less co2 imo all of these issuses can be traced to large populations
leadbelly
Jul 23 2006, 01:48 AM
I decided that so many things apply. If things went really wrong overnight, which I harldy expect will happen, then it would have to be war of some kind. WMD like nukes are pretty horrific, when you get down to it.
In a conventional battle, at least you have a chance.
Anyway, this is kind of interesting-
http://www.truemajority.com/oreos/http://www.truemajority.com/bensbbs/
MJB222
Jul 24 2006, 02:42 PM
Must resist saying "you". Must resist!
Well, I say overpopulating becuase that alone causes more and more problems.
Roj47
Jul 24 2006, 03:04 PM
QUOTE(MJB222 @ Jul 24 2006, 03:42 PM) [snapback]1281412[/snapback]
Must resist saying "you". Must resist!

.... Is that pointing at me personally?
I am only a danger to myself. Anything more strenuous than that, and well...... forget it
Essan
Jul 24 2006, 03:16 PM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Jul 17 2006, 01:30 PM) [snapback]1273046[/snapback]
Every species has a threshold...we can never "overpopulate", but our populations can become crowded

Unfortuately man has found the means to circumvent all natural controls on population growth. So this is no longer true
Ned Tunacao
Jul 24 2006, 03:59 PM
Failure? Nature allowed us to become the most prominent (arguably) species. Thus, I argue that nature in her ineffable wisdom WANTED Global warming and a hole in the ozone. This sounds like complete bulls*** (prolly is too) but the threat of cosmic disaster is everpresent and what better way to toughen up life as a whole than to expose it to more harmful UV rays and giving it a harsher environment? We'll evolve (We being life on Earth as a whole) and be able to withstand natural/cosmic disasters much easier. If we have the vitality of giant cockroaches then perhaps we shall spread our influence elsewhere! Hurrah!
Please take the theory above with a grain of salt. It's still interesting though.
Ned.
OneWithThePlanet
Jul 29 2006, 03:58 AM
Over Population is the problem, its simple, no humans no problems,
Pappzy
Jul 31 2006, 10:59 AM
Intresting,i voted for hunting to extiction because well,i would of like to seen a live tasmanian tiger.Now i can't,i'm angry now,well done

.errrr.I'm happy now

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strangebutsmart
Sep 1 2006, 05:53 PM
war is mans biggest mistake. when we're in war we're putting the human race in danger of extinction, we're killing our own specie's population on earth. And with all the new Gagdets invented for war our specie's will die even faster, and all because of political, Presidencial
Conflicts, and also because of terrorist, terrorist are forcing us to protect our country
which might lead to war, it's good that we're protecting our home land, but by
participating in war we'll still be in danger.this is why absolute peace is necessary, but Impossible. I think war will lead to peace, but it can also lead to our specie's extinction.
Pretty sad really.
Raptor
Sep 1 2006, 06:00 PM
^Not all war is bad, cold war is good.
Atheist God
Sep 1 2006, 06:22 PM
QUOTE(OneWithThePlanet @ Jul 28 2006, 10:58 PM) [snapback]1287065[/snapback]
Over Population is the problem, its simple, no humans no problems,
Why dont' you kill your self then if your such a problem. Your the kind of person that would release a virus and attempt to wipe out humanity. People like you are humanities problem. Although we are responsible for many of the worlds ills. I hardly think that no humans no problem is the answer.
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Not all war is bad, cold war is good.
The cold war aside from global warming was the one time in humanities history that we came the closest to being wiped out. Cold Wars are arms races to see who can get the most weapons and the biggest bombs. There were actually a few instances back in the 60's and 70's where The US and Soviets almost wiped eachother out simply from having misunderstandings.
I would sooner see a war fought in a bloddy WW2 type campain as opposed to a potential nuke war which guarentees mutually assured destruction. Just 20 nuke is all it take to completely obliterate human civilization and plunge us into a decades long nuclear winter. This would happen because all the fallout would drinft in the atmosphere and spread all around the world.
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The single largest threat that almost the entire science community agrees on including the like of men like Hawking, Kaku and others is Global Warming. Think of earth in a hundred years like Venus. We will have oceans of sulferic acid our surace temperature will end up hundred of degrees celsius......
The problem isn't the hole in the ozone when it comes to glabal warming. the holes simply allow more radiation to come in which no we cannot deal with either. Global warming is a build up of Co2 gas. It has been noted by all scientists who have researched this that Co2 increases are accompanied by heat increases. Almost the entire scientific community agrees that it is the largest threat we have ever face and more threatening to earth then a nuclear war or cosmic disaster.
Global Warming and a majority of the worlds science community agrees that global warming is the largest threat to human civilization then any threat we have ever faced. We are basically terraforming our planet not in a good way either.
For those who think we can simply adapt and evolve with it your mistaken. At it's current rate of progress humanities civilizations will collapse within a hundred years. It's warming up to fast and not allowing the time for another human evolution to take place.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
Sep 1 2006, 07:09 PM
Voted for diseases, the creation of, since uh, yeah, passing them really cannot be considered a mistake as most of the time it is involuntary.
And man's biggest mistake...giving a woman his credit card.
pagan_jedi_girl
Sep 2 2006, 04:20 AM
Well, all these stuff ups we have made as a species just add up, so it doesn't really matter which is the worst; that's just an opinion.
I think humanity needs to change it's mindset, to forget the concept that we are the 'greatest' creature on earth; so we are allowed to destroy everything.
Also, this might sound inhumane, and I personally don't won't to suffer this, but we do need to wipe out a billion or so of us. That way we would have more resources and wouldn't have things like third world countries.
And our stupid conflicts over abstract ideas with no real practical reasoning, like religion. People are just too damn eager to go kill things.'
Oh yeah, and the fact that we are rapidly destroying the world from underneath us. Idiotic, how are we supposed to maintain this lifestyle if the planet is a radioactive dump?
I don't really care if scientists experiment, just as long as the result has some practical value. I mean, like with stem cell research, get over it 'do gooders', the babies were aborted anyway all you are doing is standing in the way of people's hope to live. I bet if you needed the research for some reason you'd step aside.
Anyway.... enough ranting.
ReviewDude
Sep 2 2006, 09:16 AM
QUOTE(pagan_jedi_girl @ Sep 2 2006, 05:20 AM) [snapback]1332551[/snapback]
Well, all these stuff ups we have made as a species just add up, so it doesn't really matter which is the worst; that's just an opinion.
Well we
are the ones in charge of the Earth, I think we need to cut ourselves some slack for mistakes sometimes. I mean, dolphins didn't cause the greenhouse effect, but neither will they stop it, it's up to us to move on from our mistakes and rectify them.
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I think humanity needs to change it's mindset, to forget the concept that we are the 'greatest' creature on earth; so we are allowed to destroy everything.
Who the Hell thinks because they're great they can destroy everything? Other than that guy Andre the Giant that is, in my opinion, he can do what he wants! Thing is, we don't just destroy things for no reason, it's just in the past we didn't think of consequences.
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Also, this might sound inhumane, and I personally don't won't to suffer this, but we do need to wipe out a billion or so of us. That way we would have more resources and wouldn't have things like third world countries.
That reeks of Hitler... But anyway, it would be quite difficult to decide who to kill, but in recent years, birth rates have soared in Africa and other developing countries, just because they have no knowledge of things like contraception, and European birth rates are falling (albeit slowly) so eventually these two may come in harmony.
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And our stupid conflicts over abstract ideas with no real practical reasoning, like religion. People are just too damn eager to go kill things.'
Like which conflicts? I still haven't made up my mind on Iraq but the thing is if my country says there's intelligence (it turned out to be false, but who knew that at the time?) to say I'm at risk from being atomized by some nuclear weapon - I damned well want my army to fight against that.
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Oh yeah, and the fact that we are rapidly destroying the world from underneath us. Idiotic, how are we supposed to maintain this lifestyle if the planet is a radioactive dump?
A radioactive dump? Very little waste is actually made from nuclear power plants (the only industrialised use of nuclear technology) - and most of it goes in the sea - or buried in concrete - or both, where eventually it will end its half-life and turn into lead.
pagan_jedi_girl
Sep 2 2006, 12:18 PM
I think you took some of my words too literally.
1. I agree with what you said here, I'm just saying each mistake adds up.
2. I never said humanity has no reason to destroy things, just that we selfishly consume and destroy the planet.
3. I also never said to kill people, just that we need to lose quite a lot of population. If this is through some disease, war, contraceptives to lessen birthrates... whatever.
4. The radioactive par was more of an adjective, sorry if that was unclear. I meant the world will be a polluted wasteland.
Hope that clears that up.
strangebutsmart
Sep 4 2006, 02:00 AM
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Sep 1 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1331866[/snapback]
^Not all war is bad, cold war is good.
yes all war is bad don't all wars contain killing?
1.
Anti-war!What's everyone doing!?

2.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2RNY0bLzhA&mode=related&search=They are trying rid anyone who gets in their way
They didn't even let anyone comment on the video.
3.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBWdWamCCM&mode=related&search=

4.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY0jgiZe-eM&mode=related&search=This is bad man, VERY, VERY BAD.
arkland
Sep 4 2006, 02:44 PM
man's biggest mistake is man himself.
Bone_Collector
Sep 6 2006, 09:08 AM
I voted deforestation but really, the poll should have a multiple select and add new mistake option
capoeiranger
Sep 7 2006, 10:44 PM
Man's biggest mistake: Industrialization. But then again without it, we won't be here in this forum
AtlantisRises
Sep 8 2006, 05:51 AM
I think mans biggest mistake was climbing down out of the trees. Think how much better off we would be if we didn't grow thumbs, and make fire.
Intelligence is the greatest threat to our survival.
RollingThunder06
Sep 14 2006, 08:41 AM
I think it is mass destruction. Bad enough people can kill others on a everyday basis; worse that when a country doesn't agree with another the means is there just to destroy it.
~Doppleganger~
Sep 22 2006, 03:11 AM
Man's biggest
Mistake... It would probably be the religion, in a certain case. The religious cult and all that turn around this is one of the base (?) of the problems in the world, like war. War, at the beginning, was based on the religion of certain country. But, I dont want to start a flame war about this

Im only saying that inventing an history about a God that created all the life in the universe is a bit sissy, and after inventing this story, a lot of other country invented their story about their god an started lot of trouble... Big-Bang theory is more plausable.

Sorry about the other

Ps : Sorry for my english...Im a Canadian and I got difficulty with it :/
Dezmond
Sep 22 2006, 05:22 PM
Why isn't religion in the poll?
the Shadamaun
Sep 22 2006, 05:51 PM
I voted for war and wmds, but i strongly agree with the religion arguement. NOT to flame on the believers, but it has to be admitted that a lot of trouble in the worlds history (the part with people on it, anyway) has sprung from organized religion. Whenever you have a group of people taught that their way is the only way, and all others are wrong and somehow an affront to their way, yer gonna get problems. Ideology, more than any other factor, id have to say has been the cause of more strife than anything else in our short history.
Mind you I said ORGANIZED religion, btw. I have no problem with people wanting religion in their lives. It just that when you get people with funny hats together who start making rules for everyone the whole thing gets mucked up.
Plus, we have a lot of nasty, nasty weapons nowadays. It's not like marching to someone elses land and stabbing them with a sword. You dont even have to get out of your pjs anymore. A button pushed, a problem solved. Ironic.
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