If gods will does not go unfulfilled then what is the point of bickering over his/her existance or not? Shouldn't we just get on with trying to live happy lives and not even worry about it?

God is a figment of over-active imaginations... and if not, who are we to worry?

Stix. i would say the aspect one is arguing is important to them....We are all seekers at differnt points of the journey......

They probably argue either because they want us to believe or because theyre arguing back! What is there to seek, just believe in youself and stop giving credit to something that dont exist. Why waste your time and in some cases your life believing in something that may not even be there...oops see its easy to start telling people not to or to believe.

One discovres who one is by dicovering what you aren't too.....much of my wisdom has come from jsut such discoverys..., experince is a good and effect teacher.....

I have discovered by my own knowledge and common sense that i am not a product of any god.

All you can have on this subject is an opinion, mine just happens to be there is no god to me because i have never seen any evidence of him, nor have i ever experienced or felt him. To me people may as well believe in harry potter as their god.

I see your perspective box, I do not partake of diety worship myself and knew very early it was a creation of man...with that being said i see that there are those that do find comfort in god'' and as i have discovered my truth so does everyone else in what works best for them...some one once told me look to the way one uses their.beleifs...anything can be transcended and and there is value in all things...

Very Good Sheri

STIX Hey how ya doin!

You right there is no point and arguing whether or not god or God/desses are real or not.
Just one of those things you can't prove.
Often Pagans say there are many Paths in the forest.
As the Paths weave and wind we often meet and discuss what we have found. We must remember each Path is different and each must find their own Truth.

Dark and to you too very well said, how refreshing to meet and share our discoverys along the way....

my son once told me that is what he thought religion should be like he was 6....... out of the mouths of babes.....

hmmmmm........

okay, so you don't believe in God right? I guess that settles it. STIX doesn't believe in God, so He must not exist. Let's not fight anymore...oh my gosh, wait a minute! I do believe in God! Now I'm just confused. I thought the whole world shared STIX and Box's view point.

As i said its just my opinion. I repsect that people have their beliefs whatever they may be...

What crawled up your butt and died today, saucy?

STIX and Box put forth their point view, so what is your point?

Can you prove it's a waste of time??? Can you prove there is nothing there??

I dont belive is god/gods, and live my life. You belive in god/gods? good for you. While it doenst affact me in any way, do or belive what you want.

We are a growing minority.....NB's

PMS?? ...Wrong side of the bed??

It matters what Truth is. It's always much more pleasant to think that everyone can just live their own truths and everyone will end up all right, but what if, (as the Christians and some other religions say), there is only one truth? It's like having only one right key to get into your house. No matter how firmly you believe that any other key will get you in and be right, it'll never work.

If Christians are right, then there's the issue of heaven and hell to account for. If Jehovah's witnesses are right, then just living to be happy will get you annihilated and everything you've done will be kinda pointless, cuz it ends in total non-existance. If buddhists are right... etc..
and depending on what is true, it should effect how life is lived. At least I think so.

I'm not just talking about Christianity's God here, but if it were Christianity's God, it would matter. The only way it wouldn't matter would be if "God's will not going unfulfilled" means that we're robots without free will, and our "decisions" have nothing to do with the way God's will is played out. I certainly hope that's not true.

Irrelevant?

Please name a greater influence upon society and humanity during the last 5000 years.

Thanks.

(-me from you)

You do have a point...

I believe God is the consciousness behind all life. If you put Satan into the equation, God is the 'good' Consciousness behind all life, and Satan the 'evil' consciousness behind all life. Humans are conscious, we are able to change and modify ourselves on a greater level because of our consciousness. This is why animals cannot, they have very little if any, conscious brain.
We are all part of something, be it good, or be it evil. We are part of God, and part of Satan. The good consciousness inside of us is part of God(angels or good), ie. love mercy compassion justice ect. The bad consciousness inside of us is part of Satan(demons or evil), ie. anger, jealousy, hate, greed, ignorance ect. If the good overwhelms the bad then thats what you are, If the bad overwhelms the good then thats what you are. You are what you do, what you produce, what you make of yourself. You are not your body, your body is only a shell.
Therefore I would have to disagree with you, God is not irrelevant to live. God is life, in a sense.


Were you trying to be hypocritical, by making a thread about God then stating.

Science?

The sun


The moon


The stars


EDIT: And of course Mother Earth


And there you have the basics of many religions.

Ya, buddy. You forgot one; the Earth.

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"God", only exists because we believe in a subjective ideology that professes to explain reality to our satisfaction. One could call all that created life a kumquat, for all that prescribes for the truism involved in creation.

Therefore god is irrelevant to life. As a matter of history, god is what has led to the current decay in quality of life the world over. Because people, predisposed to their subjective notions, take it personally when someone deifies a word that is meant to describe everything invested in the cause of being alive, and in the same token gives cause for so many to think that word is inviolate and as such is cause to kill so many in it's name!
And consequently, as it turns out, faithful humankind as a whole, are the spirit embodied in the term: Antichrist. We are the enemy of ourselves, because we believe ourselves to death.

Even though I know all of you knew the context of "influence" in my original statement... How about if I restate it as a question? Can you name a greater abstract influence upon humanity and society over the last 5000 years? (And, gravity, however clever an answer, is not abstract.)

Thanks.

(-me to you)

Too many speaking in absolutes. -shakes fist-

You don't KNOW if God exists.
You don't KNOW if God does.

So quit saying it!

Heh, that's all I really wanted to say here.

Box said it first.

Science has had the best influence on mankind since we climbed down out of the trees.

I agree with 'best' but 'best' doesn't necessarily mean 'greatest', does it? Greatest, in terms of numbers, that the number of those who believe in [G-d] (regardless of whether you do or not) have had a greater impact upon humanity and society.

I think we'd have a much more homogenous society if science was the greatest influence.

Greatest influence is right...we couldnt survive much without it

Then I would have to say Math has had the greatest influence on mankind in the last five thousand years. Without math there would be no science. Without Math I don't think there would be civilization.

Study your Math kids.

Imagination - Creativity? of which the traditional God is only a small part.

IMO, the concept of God does deserve a thought but not worship. I find it difficult to believe that IF there is a God this entity would put life here so that we can waste his given time by having to worship him, pray to him, sometimes even rely on him. Sounds like paying rent, doesn't it? - and rent is a man-made concept Life is meant to be enjoyed. If you enjoy going to church, mosque etc., singing hymns, praying, waiting for miracles to happen - then good for you. I for one would be very disappointed to look back on life and see so many times when I could have been enjoying life in many more productive ways.

For me it's similar to having a child and working 12 hrs a day, then when your child turns 18 and is ready to leave (or sooner/later) you look back at all the wasted time (that you could've spent with your child) that you cannot turn back. IF there is a God you will have plenty of time to spend with him - but not here!

I think God WAS relevant to life, afterall IMO science can partly be attributed to the belief in God. Science was bourne of the separation of what can be proven and what cannot. If God could be proven, science IMO would never have eventuated. God is obsolete and only for those that need him. I don't need him/her, I know how to enjoy my life morally and lovingly without him/her.

Just my 2 cents/pennies worth...

Guardian

Maybe when we find where our mind stores thoughts, we will find the proof of God within ourselves.

Maybe when we actually learn what the other 98% of our DNA does we will find the proof of God within our selves.

Maybe when we learn what life is about or what purpose it serves, we will find proof for Gods existence.

Then again, I believe that the proof can only be seen individually within that specific person. Just as Only I can mathmatically conclude inside my brain that 1+1+1=3 I cannot force a Christian to realize that their Jesus/ God/ Holy Ghost God is 3 Gods.
With my eyes alone, can I see. I have already found proof of God within myself. Its a beautiful experience, I know when all Hope is lost, It is not. When everything is going wrong, Everything is fine. I have someone to lean on, for support always. God wont get tired of me, no matter how annoying, smelly, or ugly I am.

I believe we all have a 'higher self' 'divine spark' or as many know it 'Holy ghost'. It tells me that this seemingly seperation from God, Know as this physical reality here, Is only an Illusion. It is only a Shadow, and when I realize that this is only a shadow, all tensions are relieved, and I realize that in the end, it will all be ok. At the same time I want it to be over, but its this time, time where we struggle, we fall and get back up... This is what counts, when your down and out, thats where God is there to comfort you the most. If we had no problems we wouldnt need God, and if we didn't need God we would be a bunch of lonely self righteous spoiled little children.

For me 'proof' of Gods existence is Within my own existence, I am here Consciously thinking, learning, and Improoving. For me that is the greatest Miracle I have experienced. Just imagine, If you didnt exist... If you did Not exist, would this world go on without you? Are you just a random anomaly which will be gone within 60-80 years or less. Are you just like an animal, flesh blood and bone, or are you something more. Is there a purpose, is there a reason? If I were to commit some negative action, would it effect me more then just physically, or mentally? Do I have a soul, and if so what is it for.

Why do I exist! 'I' as in me here now in this place, these circumstances, situations, and people. Before I try to understand why I exist, I must understand that I DO exist.
I exist, and that is astounding information. I exist as 'me' my name 'Josh' which was assigned to me before my body was developed enough to comprehend such terms. Who is this Josh, why was he created, why is he here, is there some goal he must achieve, what is the purpose of this 'society' with 'presidents' 'prime ministers' 'war' 'houses' 'cars' 'schools'. Surely my purpose is not to get 'quick fixes' drugs, 2 second orgasms, chocolate chip cookies, cigarettes, beer? If so, How utterly pointless life is. I believe there is more, and Right now, in this moment, I am experiencing it.

There is proof enough for Gods existence for me.

Peach be upon you for reading this
I hope you gained some knowledge of yourself from it.

-Desty, the seeker of truth

Thanks, AI Guardian, for understanding my question. Since Faith/[G-d]/Gods influence(s) the majority on this planet, the suggestion and implication would be exponentially relevant to life.

If [G-d] is the Creator of All Things, then science and math are included under Creations.

Math isn't something you create...

it is in human nature to belive in something