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dmurdock36
There is no proof that it exists I am assuming Jame Randy hasnt had to pay the mil yet
3rd rock resident alien
QUOTE(phenomenon @ Aug 2 2006, 08:13 PM) [snapback]1292539[/snapback]

Evidence is not proof, it's evidence, nothing more nothing less. You then take that evidence and analize it to see if it warrants further attention. There is a huge difference between evidence and proof. wink2.gif

I make no mention of it being genuine, I took it for granted that nobody would be so foolish as to believe he actually bends metal objects with nothing more than the power of his delluded mind.


Proof of Psychokinesis

Exhibit A:
Jack Houck http://www.jackhouck.com/scp.shtml

Mind over matter.
Kibbles
QUOTE(dmurdock36 @ Aug 2 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1292567[/snapback]

There is no proof that it exists I am assuming Jame Randy hasnt had to pay the mil yet


Randi's challenge is considered a joke by many skeptics and believers alike.

Considering the amount of accusations about unfair criteria, often changing midway through the challenge, I suggest you don't consider him as a good source of confirmation.
phenomenon
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Proof of Psychokinesis
thumbsup.gif I'm not even going to comment on that article, it doesn't deserve the time.

Kibbles, as someone who doesn't like the challenge even I only comment on what I know to be fact. I have spoken at great length with Randi and one thing I am sure of is this - the criteria or protocol for the challenge are set out prior to the test and not during.

You come across as someone merely echoing other people's opinions, try researching the guy and his foundation then come back to me with some of your own views.

When someone like Browne offers herself up for the challenge based on the protocol layed out then runs to the hills when she realises they are serious there can only be one conclusion.

Kibbles
QUOTE(phenomenon @ Aug 3 2006, 09:34 AM) [snapback]1293228[/snapback]

thumbsup.gif I'm not even going to comment on that article, it doesn't deserve the time.

Kibbles, as someone who doesn't like the challenge even I only comment on what I know to be fact. I have spoken at great length with Randi and one thing I am sure of is this - the criteria or protocol for the challenge are set out prior to the test and not during.

You come across as someone merely echoing other people's opinions, try researching the guy and his foundation then come back to me with some of your own views.

When someone like Browne offers herself up for the challenge based on the protocol layed out then runs to the hills when she realises they are serious there can only be one conclusion.


First off, I doubt the credibility of his challenge partly because of his terminology and the way he writes about psychic phenomena (I have read a few of his articles)
and mostly because of complaints such as these.
http://www.rense.com/general50/james.htm
http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/natashacansue.html

Did he show you how these mentioned and similar cases were handled, or did he simply assure you that he was using proper procedure?

I have done some research on the guy and have my own opinion of him. I don't think he's credible.

I also think Browne is a fraud, but that's hardly the point of what I am saying.
Kibbles
Furthermore, I do not merely echo other people's opinions. I write my own personal opinion which I form after at least some rudimentary research.

Did you look through my posts in the earlier part of this thread?
Kibbles
So, phenomenon, why doen't this article deserve the time?
Jack Houck http://www.jackhouck.com/scp.shtml


Should not all claims be investigated if possible even if merely to disprove them?
Kazuma
QUOTE(Kibbles @ Aug 3 2006, 05:11 AM) [snapback]1293240[/snapback]

Should not all claims be investigated if possible even if merely to disprove them?


You have a point. Until thorough investigation, all conclusions are simply speculation.
mind
Here's the only doctor of parapsychology in US (Jeff Mishlove) writing about James Randi.
The "Pigasus Award" Ironies ...

If you want some to see some of my experiences with ESP, see:
Personal experience with feeling energy with hands
Personal experience with psychic diagnostics

Also see my interview with Jeff Mishlove.
phenomenon
Mind, Your example of psychic powers (particularly the otitis media - to give it its correct name) is not proof of anything. I actually smiled when I read it as I thought it was some daily blog of a concerned parent rather than an example of psychic powers.

I shall of course fully explain my amusement and then you will realise that all you witnessed was soemthing most parents already know - childhood infections are very common and doctors are at times very lazy.

The condition to give it its correct name is otitis media - a middle ear infection. In most children it is a secondary infection usually brought about by a viral infection somewhere else - usually the throat. That's not to say that ear infections don't happen by themselves, but more often than not it is secondary to a main viral infection.

Basically a child gets a sore throat and one of the secondary infections can be in the ear. This is an extremely common occurance in children and of course can cause great discomfort.

I have 4 children, everyone of them has suffered a sore throat as some time or another and on a few of those occasions it has transpired that the infection has spread and caused a middle ear infection which is normally treated with a mild dose of antibiotics, administered either by oral medication or drops.

Also a mild oil helps loosen the contents of the ear thus lessening the pressure to the drum and preventing the middle ear from worsening.

Unfortunately the sore throat itself cannot be treated with antibiotics.

So, you go to the doctor and explain your child has a fever (very common symptom among children and far less serious than it would be in an adult) and he concludes that your child has an ear infection.

You don't say whether the ear complaint was mentioned by you or your child, I'm assuming it was, either way he missed the sore throat which to me tells me you and your child neglected to tell him, which is peculiar.

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On Friday I was driving in my car with a relative and one local psychic healer. She (the healer) studied and now teaches at some very unique courses to develop her ability to diagnose and heal. During the ride I mentioned that my son is sick. She asked what it is. I told her about the otitis


I'm sure as soon as you mentioned the otitis, like any other parent in here she will have thought of a sore throat immediately. They go together like strawberries and cream, any parent with a modicum of experience in childhood infections would know this. wink2.gif

You may as well have told her everything, it's an open book as soon as you say the word otitis.

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Two seconds later she tells me that his inflammation is in the throat, on the right side and this inflammation is the source of his illness. I asked he how she concluded that. She explained that when I imagined my son she visualized his problem (she doesn't know him) and that she saw an inflammation in his throat on the right side.


Two second later eh? I'd have taken one second and said exactly the same thing as her after what you told her. Like I said, you've pretty much told her everything.

As for the rest of her explanantion, absolute rubbish and quite offensive to use a sick young child to dupe you.

I'm not sure how much more you told her about the otitis, for example did you tell her which ear it was? Either way it makes no bones, a 50/50 for the side the sore throat was on is about all she would have had to guess, the rest you told her when you uttered the word otitis.

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Several days have passed and yesterday we took him again to a doctor (another one). This one examined him again and told that his ears look ok now but that his throat is very red and there's a visible inflammation in there.


No surprises there then. Like I said, they are like Bonny and Clyde, Sonny and Cher, where there's otitis there's a sore throat.

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Little in my life have I witnessed such a strong evidence of psychic power


Diagnosis:

In someone (especially a child) who has had a cold or sore throat, who suddenly seems to get worse, with ear pain and usually a fever, then it is likely that otitis media is the diagnosis.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you still haven't. Had you come to me I would have done and said the very same thing. thumbsup.gif
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