I dont believe the man made god, who is designed to fit inside a box exists. You know the one with grey hair sits on a throne, really old looking man.

this god that we are talking about is god our father the first father that is, god as one.jesus brought that truth in the spirit.the bloodline will bring this truth in the flesh for jesus will be on the right hand side of the father and show truth in him .and spirit and flesh will be one and the truth will be known.

I dont believe God is real.
But hey i could be wrong...

I believe what the biblical prophets actually saw WERE beings of a higher consciousness, deemed angels, and these beings imparted upon them the wisdom they needed to help us as a species grow spiritually and eventually be internally (soul) ready and accepting and knowledgeable of the Truths they were trying to spread.

You are basically correct in that statement but you fail to realize that those angels were trying to spread their wisdom and truth in the name of God. They were simply fulfilling his plan by teaching us how we can ascend from our physical bodies and become one with God and to join the Universal Consciousness inorder to fulfill an even grander plan.

duh. of course God is real. i am a christian and have stong faith. and i dont know why people dont believe. in my opinion, he sent his only son to be crucifed and stuff for their sins, and they choose not to believe because they want to sin. but thats just my opinion

im new here by the way. hi everybody =)

so you think because some of us dont believe in god that it is because we want to sin? That seems a little silly but hey its your opinion and you are intitled to it. But i dont believe in god because i want to sin. i dont believe in god because i dont think he is real plain and simple. If i wanted to sin i would not say oh i dont believe in god i could still believe in a higher being than us and still sin. Also God must have been a crappy parent to send his own son to be crucifed what a horrible parent.
And hi welcome to the forum.

Then I'm sure you don't know that God sent His own Son to die a horrible death on the cross FOR YOU! Why? Because He loves you!!

Oh, I forgot, He's "not real".

That was not the poll question.
By the poll question it could be is Vishnu or Oden real.

I would not sacrafice any of my kids to save other people. And yup i dont think he's real

And, we're not talking about you .. are we!

Oh, by the way, if God's not real, where did you come from? If He didn't create you just who did .. or did you just materialize!

Yup i know we are not talking about me and oh dear how hostile you seem to become when something is said that you dont share the same opinion of Cheer up it is only my opinion and i respect your's so please dont let mine offend you in any other way.
Now for the where did i come from question.....take a seat.
One day my mom and dad decided to get jiggy with it and had sex then 9 months later i was born. Poor them.

Anyway back to the subject i dont believe in god so i would have to go with the evolution part of how we came into exsistence BUT that does not mean that i could be wrong and that god is real and created human life on the planet but at the moment NONE of us can prove god is real or not real so we will just have to stick to our BELIEFS untill proven owrong.

I fail to see my reply as being hostile at all. And, no, your opinion in no way offends me .. I just feel sorry for you.

So God is out and evolution is in. Okay. Everything has a beginning .. how did evolution get started? Don't tell me you're an advocate of the "big bang" theory.

Yup i know we are not talking about me and oh dear how hostile you seem to become when something is said that you dont share the same opinion of Cheer up it is only my opinion and i respect your's so please dont let mine offend you in any other way.
Now for the where did i come from question.....take a seat.
One day my mom and dad decided to get jiggy with it and had sex then 9 months later i was born. Poor them.

Anyway back to the subject i dont believe in god so i would have to go with the evolution part of how we came into exsistence BUT that does not mean that i could be wrong and that god is real and created human life on the planet but at the moment NONE of us can prove god is real or not real so we will just have to stick to our BELIEFS untill proven owrong.

but what you call evalotion is that of the mother (earth) she riased you, took you from the sea and had you walk on dry land and it is that of the father that inspyers you to climb that mt or to inlighten you in that way to rise your vibe our your inner self to the oneness of god .in harmonie on all levels of inlightenment the mother ,the father and the son through the 7 from within the holy spirit gives form

What if the Universe is conscious?

My mistake then i was worried that i might have been offending you which is not what i wanted to do. Im sorry for misunderstanding
And no i dont believe in the big bang theory also. The only way we could honestly tell how the universe was made for sure is to be there when it happened and i dont see us ever doing that. And for all you know you could be right and there is a god and he created us all and the universe but then who created god and if the answer is going to be he just was there to begin with and no one created him then i guess we could go to the big bang theroy and say that that the huge mass that exploded creating the universe was just there and nothing created that. I guess all we can do is wait untill we die and see if there is a god if there is one. And please dont feel sorry for me it is my choice not to believe in god and im ready to accept any consquences that come my way from choosing that path to follow. If im wrong and there is a bar in the afterlife i'll buy you a drink and say you were right

Dose god exist-no.Just think about it.Go on,you know you want to dout.

is dream real?

i want a third option to vote this topic.. When you dream it is real.. when you wake from that dream it is not real.. so my vote is for both yes and no.

so...... a water nymph, a big cat, jesus and the jersey devil walk into a bar....

I dont believe the man made god, who is designed to fit inside a box exists. You know the one with grey hair sits on a throne, really old looking man.

But I do believe in 'God' I believe god is the Consciousness behind all life. Atleast the Positive Consciousness, with 'Satan' the Negative Consciousness behind all life.

What I'm saying is the dream world isn't real. It's not like when you fall asleep in this one, you awake in the other, and vice versa.. What happens to the dream self while you're running around in this one?

THE FIFTH BOOK, THAT GOD IS NOT MANIFEST, AND YET MOST MANIFEST

THIS Discourse, I will also make to thee, O Tat, that thou mayest not be ignorant of the more excellent name of God.

2. But do thou contemplate in thy Mind how that which to many seems hidden and unmanifest may be most manifest to thee.

3. For it were not all, if it were apparent, for whatsoever is apparent is generated or made; for it was made manifest, but that which is not manifest is ever.

4. For it needeth not be manifested, for it is always.

5. And he maketh all other things manifest, being unmanifest, as being always, and making other things manifest, he is not made manifest.

6. Himself is not made, yet in fantasie he fantasieth all things, or in appearance he maketh them appear; for appearance is only of those things that are generated or made, for appearance is nothing but generation.

7. But he that is One, that is not made nor generated, is also unapparent and unmanifest.

8. But making all things appear, he appeareth in all, and by all; but especially he is manifested to or in those things wherein himself listeth.

9. Thou, therefore, O Tat, my Son, pray first to the Lord and Father, and to the Alone, and to the One, from whom is one to be merciful to thee, that thou mayest know and understand so great a God; and that he would shine one of his beams upon thee in thy understanding.

10. For only the Understanding see that which is not manifest, or apparent, as being itself not manifest or apparent; and if thou canst, O Tat, it will appear to the eyes of thy Mind.

11. For the Lord, void of envy, appeareth through the whole world. Thou mayest see the intelligence, and take it into they hands, and contemplate the image of God.

12. But if that which is in thee, be not known or apparent unto thee, how shall he in thee be seen, and appear unto thee by the eyes?

13. But if thou will see him, consider and understand the Sun, consider the course of the Moon, consider the order of the Stars.

14. Who is he that keepeth order? For all order is circumscribed or terminated in number and place.

15. The Sun is the greatest of the Gods in Heaven, to whom all the Heavenly Gods give place, as to a King and Potentate; and yet he being such an one, greater than the Earth or the Sea, is content to suffer infinite lesser stars to walk and move above himself: whom doth he fear the while, O Son?

16. Every one of these Stars that are in Heaven do not make the like, or an equal course; who is it that hath prescribed unto every one the manner and the greatness of their course?

17. This Bear that turns round about its own self, and carries round the whole World with her, who possessed and made such an Instrument?

18. Who hath set the bounds to the Sea? Who hath established the Earth? For there is somebody, O Tat, that is the Maker and Lord of these things.

19. For it is impossible, O Son, that either place, or number, or measure, should be observed without a maker.

20. For no order can be made by disorder or disproportion.

21. I would it were possible for thee, O my Son, to have wings, and to fly into the Air, and being taken up in the midst, between Heaven and Earth, to see the stability of the Earth, the fluidness of the Sea, the courses of the Rivers, the largeness of the Air, the sharpness and swiftness of the Fire, the motion of the Stars, and the speediness of the Heaven, by which it goeth round about all these.

22. O Son, what a happy sight it were, at one instant, to see all these; that which is immoveable moved, and that which is hidden appear and be manifest!

23. And if thou wilt see and behold this Workman, even by mortal things that are upon earth, and in the deep, consider, O Son, how Man is made and framed in the Womb; and examine diligently the skill and cunning of the Workman, and learn who it was that wrought and fashioned the beautiful and Divine shape of Man; who circumscribed and marked out his eyes? who bored his nostrils and ears? who opened his mouth? who stretched out and tie together his sinews? who channelled the veins? who hardened and made strong the bones? who clothed the flesh with skin? who divided the fingers and joints? who flatted and made broad the soles of the feet? who digged the pores? who stretched out the spleen? who made the Heart like a Pyramis? who made the Liver broad? who made the Lights spungy, and full of holes? who made the belly large and capacious? who set to outward view the more honorable parts, and hid the filthy ones?

24. See how many arts in one Matter, and how many Works in one Superscription, and all exceedingly beautiful and all done in measure, and yet all differing.

25. Who hath made all these things? What Mother? What Father? Save only god that is not manifest; that made all things by his own will.

26. And no man says that a statue or an image is made without a Carver or a Painter, and was this Workmanship made without a Workman? O Great Blindness! O Great Impiety! O Great Ignorance!

27. Never, O Son Tat, canst thou deprive the Workmanship of the Workman; rather, it is the best Name of all the Names of God, to call him the Father of all, for so he is alone; and this is his work to be the Father.

28. And if thou will force me to say anything more boldly, it is his Essence to be pregnant, or great with all things, and to make them.

29. And as without a maker it is impossible that anything should be made, so it is that he should not always be, and always be making all things in Heaven, in the Air, in the Earth, in the Deep, in the whole World, and in every part of the whole, that is or that is not.

30. For there is nothing in the whole World that is not himself; both the things that are, and the things that are not.

31. For the things that are he hath made manifest, and the things that are not he hath hid in himself.

32. This is God that is better than any name; this is he that is secret; this is he that is most manifest; this is he that is to be seen by the Mind; this is he that is visible to the Eye; this is he that hath no body; and this is he that hath many bodies; rather, there is nothing of any body which is not he.

33. For he alone is all things.

34. And for this cause he hath many Names, because he is the One Father; and therefore he hath no Name, because he is the Father of all.

35. Who therefore can bless thee, or give thanks for thee, or to thee?

36. Which way shall I look when I praise thee? upward? downward? outward? inward?

37. For about these there is no manner nor place, nor anything else of all things that are.

38. But all things are in thee; all things from thee; thou givest all things, and takest nothing; for thou hast all things; and there is nothing that thou hast not.

39. When shall I praise thee, O Father, for it is neither possible to comprehend thy hour, nor they time?

40. For what shall I praise thee? For what thou hast made, or for what thou hast not made? for those things thou hast manifested, or for those things thou hast hidden?

41. Wherefore shall I praise thee, as being of myself, or having anything of mine own, or rather being anothers?

42. For thou art what I am, thou art what I do, thou art what I say.

43. Thou art all things, and there is nothing else thou art not.

44. Thou are thou, all that is made, and all that is not made.

45. The Mind that understandeth.

46. The Father that maketh and frameth.

47. The Good that worketh.

48. The Good that doth all things.

49. Of the matter, the most subtle and slender is Air; of the Air the Soul; of the soul the Mind; of the mind God.

The End of the Fifth Book....
THAT GOD IS NOT MANIFEST, AND YET MOST MANIFEST...