paulajoleonard
Jul 25 2006, 10:03 PM
I need some feedback about this strange but true story.
My husband and his best friend take a three day trip once a year to a remote lake in the Sierra Nevadas in California for some fishing. They call it their "survival trip". They bring fishing gear, water and survival supplies. It's an eight mile hike to this lake. They have been going to this place for years.
This particular trip in July this year was strange to say the least. The first night, Friday, was filled with great fishing. There was only the mention of seeing turtles in the lake. Some that were thought to be thousands of pounds. My husband said he could only see these tutles clearly through the water by wearing his polorized sun-glasses. He confirmed this sighting by admission of his friend and another camper.
The next day he saw some campers setting up. The other camper he saw on Friday was gone. The lake is round and you can see the entire circumference of it. The campers began hanging dead fish from the trees. They had a horse, goat, pig and chicken. After seeing this, my husband realize that the cliffs that surrounded the lake were in shapes of snakes, turtles and other animals. The center point of the snake had the fangs painted red. Upon investigating, my husband could make out platforms that he described as sacrificial places. The evening approached and the campers set up on the shorline as if to watch something. The turtles could be seen in hundreds in the lake. They began swimming in some kind of unison dance- making shapes of other animals. The curiosity of these events held my husband to stay. Now its dark and the moon is out. It was a full moon. The campers dressed in animal costumes- as told by my husband's friend. As my husband kept fishing around the lake (dismissing any notion of threat) he came across a dead pig. Finally he is freaked out. He wanted to leave. His friend didn't seem to be bothered by his tale. My husband went to fish more and this time he saw the boulders around the lake change form from rock to turtles and back again. At this time the moon beam took hold of him and pitched his shadow onto one of the sacrificial platforms. My husband raced through the forest to escape this. Then there were other lights that came from the sky that he determined was a UFO. He thought he was trying to be caught. At one point he put two sticks in a cross form to his chest and prayed. He literally went out of his mind. Meanwhile, his friend was at the campsite seeing things change. My husband went to his friend to convince him to leave with him. His friend was determined to make him stay which wasn't like him to act. They argued and my husband hit him with a mag light to get away. My husbands only escape was receiving help from the turtles that changed form. It covered over him next to a tree.
The next they left. Their discussion was filled with questions to each others actions. His friend couldn't explain his reason as to why he wanted to stay. There was no mark on his friend's head where he was hit with the flash light.
My husband is the most honest person I know. He was always skeptical of stange stories and supernatural events. This experience has changed him greatly. This story is in very very short version. It litteraly took him six hours to tell me the story when he returned home. So there may be quite a bit of doubt to you readers. I have been researching the web for information about sacrifices and rituals with turtles. Funny thing, my husband and his friend both agree that they were never afraid of the turtles.
Please, if any one can give me some insight to this event I would be greatly relieved. And if your first questioned is, "what kind of drug were they on" - that was my first question to him too- but there was none.
please respond
zukie&jim
Jul 25 2006, 10:36 PM
which lake in the cali-sn-was it?
CaitSith
Jul 25 2006, 11:14 PM
That sounds pretty wild, maybe some kind of natural earth ritual or even a Native ceramony? I would like the vivit this lake, cause it sound like it would be a spiritual experience. One question and I know this might sound wierd but did your husband eat any of the wild flora?
frogfish
Jul 25 2006, 11:23 PM
Sounds like your husband is pulling our leg. I go fishing across the SN, and the West all the time. Great trout fishing...Never seen anything like that.
Only the beauty of nature.
CaitSith
Jul 26 2006, 01:49 PM
Frogfish? Don't you have a spiritual bone in your body? It's obvious that she trust her husbands words. As a married man I know this isn't the kind of thing you lie to your spouse about. She says that it has changed him, is that all part of the joke? Not everyones out to hoax or fake unnatural occurances, sometimes there is more to it than can be measured with a microscope, or classified through DNA analysis. Undeniable energies pull this world and the life living within it, forces that cannot be classified scientifically. That does not mean they cannot be understood, our spirits are not as programmed as our brains, and everyone is tuned into a secret frequency that we know by heart but don't understand, there are signs of this all around. It's ok to be skeptical but pointless to deny that there are forces, natural forces, that science has yet to comprehend.
Spirit moves through all things....
Bella-Angelique
Jul 26 2006, 02:18 PM
I have to agree with Frog. This reads more like fanfiction than the retelling of an actual event.
"Now its dark and the moon is out."
Sweetpumper
Jul 26 2006, 02:51 PM
And they didn't have a camera?
rice
Jul 26 2006, 04:02 PM
damn..too bad ur husband didnt have a cam...so he could of vid the whole ritual thingy...ah wells..maybe next time...tell him to bring one..but maybe the ritual thingy that u discribed happens once every year...or maybe once every ten years and ur husband juss happened to be at the right time...or maybe the wrong time..because it sounds like hes been running bases to get away
what surprised me wasnt the ritual thingy...but the turtles..i mean...u said it was 100's of the bunched up? that is pretty crazy..i mean..ive seen turtles..but not by the 100s. and also the beams of light

thnx for sharing yours and ur husbands experience. if you have time...i would like to hear the longer version

. i mean...i have time to read your story...but if it is too much trouble..then its all good..anyways
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jul 26 2006, 08:34 PM
Paula what was the date that this event took place?
Shiggity Shiggity Shwa 2
Jul 26 2006, 09:23 PM
woah....thats pretty crazy....i have no clue what the hell that couldve been for....but i do agree with someone who wrote earlier.....maybe they only did it like once a year or once every 10 years...
earthchick
Jul 26 2006, 10:18 PM
I have to ask this to get it out of the way...........
Do your husband and his friend ever pick and eat wild mushrooms while camping? I know someone who has done so for years and knows volumes about mushrooms, but still ended up confusing two types of mushrooms that look almost identical. The mushrooms he ate were not the edible variety he thought they were and turned out to have hallucinogenic properties. He saw some wild things, let me tell you.
chaoszerg
Jul 26 2006, 10:57 PM
Please don't take offense but maybe you are being a tad to trusting and that your leg is being pulled. But don't get me wrong i could actually be the wrong one for thinking this but i do think you are being tricked lol or that they did see something but exaggerated it to a whole new level. And i have been with friends who have done the same type of survival trips and they don't show their partners that they are sneaking alcohol out with them so everyone can have a good time out away from the girls and have a few beers and a laugh and get drunk lol i'm glad i don't drink. But this is me guessing so i might be wrong but i do think it is being exaggerated.
luminousphoenix
Jul 26 2006, 11:32 PM
Does sound a bit "out there" as far as details are concerned, but still scary none-the-less.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to be out where people were doing sacrafices.
CaitSith
Jul 27 2006, 12:34 AM
It sounds a lot like a mushroom or peyote trip to me, thats why I asked about eating the flora. I just don't see anyone tell their own wife such a wild lie.
I personally beleive that things like this happen, that animals, like people have spirits and beleifs, along with a deep understanding of of the natural world of the spirits. Maybe the complex thinking of man has garbled such a basic natural spiritualism with complex theologies. It sounds like the animals were in tune to some key point in time, while the humans sensed it on some subconcious level but could not rationalize it in their complex brains to see it for what it was.
I think it could have been an anual thing, or centiniel, or maybe it happens every fourty seventh summer on the night of a new moon, during a dry seasons. Who knows when it happens, but I don't think it was a lie
Daniella2310
Jul 27 2006, 03:57 PM
QUOTE(Leviathan113 @ Jul 26 2006, 08:34 PM) [snapback]1284427[/snapback]
It sounds a lot like a mushroom or peyote trip to me, thats why I asked about eating the flora. I just don't see anyone tell their own wife such a wild lie.
True, and because he didn't know he was eating these hallucinogens, he thought everything he saw was real stuff. That seems like a good explanation. Either that or the lake where he went to is a veeery interesting place.
paulajoleonard
Jul 28 2006, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(jsf35rino @ Jul 25 2006, 03:36 PM) [snapback]1283056[/snapback]
which lake in the cali-sn-was it?
off of highway 89, Round Lake
paulajoleonard
Jul 28 2006, 05:11 PM
I greatly appreciate everyone's comments. I would like to agree with you that I am a very trusting wife. I have been happily married for 17 years and never have had him "pull my leg" like this.
He did have a camera and we are in the process of getting it developed. I don't believe that he ate any wild berries or mushrooms. There is one thing- usually they bring bottled water and water purifying tablets, but this year they took a pump contramption which pumped "purified" water straight from the lake. I don't know if something from the water affected them.
He did take me and our girls up there before in the past. The place is a God-send of beauty. It is a place that you can sit and stare at the scenery for hours.
To answer a few questions: Round Lake is the name of the place. It is off of highway 89.
He went on the first weekend after 4th of July like every year in the past. He caught trout, and large mouth bass. It was one of the best fishing he ever had.
I would like to tell the long version but I am in the process of writing it and hopfully will have it published.
We are spiritual people. I believe there are things out there greater than us and unexplainable. The only thing I didn't like about my husband's story was that it felt evil, but that there was a spiritual souce trying to guide him to safety. We have theories that he may have been "chosen" (in the wrong place at the right time) to play some kind of part with the turtles to keep the evil from escape. I think that because he was able to finally hide, the evil couldn't finish its process of sacrificial escape.
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jul 28 2006, 05:28 PM
So the first weekend after the 4th of July this year was the 7 - 9th July...If he goes every weekend after the 4th then each year he is going on different dates. Which night did it happen, the fri, sat or sun? I would take note of the date, not the day/weekend and go back on that date next year and see if it's yearly ritual thing.
The other thing that comes to mind about this experience is it's somesort of timeslip
The turtle has some spiritual significance -
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The turtle is a creature of the water. Because of its great age and its slow metabolism the turtle is associated with longevity. Turtle medicine can teach new perceptions about time and our relationship to it. It can also help us grow old gracefully and in harmony with our environment. When the pace of life becomes too hectic the turtle shows us how to slow down and go with the flow.
Turtles have amazing survival skills and strategies. They sense vibrations in the water through their skin and shell. Turtle totems hold the mystery of awakening the senses on both the physical and spiritual levels and can stimulate clairaudience.
Turtles carry their homes on their back. The shell is actually the backbone and ribs of the turtle and serves as home and shelter for it. Those with this medicine should remember not to acquire more possessions then they actually need. The burden of responsibility can become a heavy weight for you to carry.
When turtle is flipped on its back it uses its strong neck to right itself. This can be a reminder to use your own head and inner knowledge to right yourself when your world gets topsy-turvy.
All turtles must come ashore to lay their eggs and they are usually buried. When the eggs hatch they make their way to the water. The link between water and land especially for the purpose of reproduction has great significance.
When turtle shows up in your life, it is time to get connected to your most primal essence. Go within your shell and come out when your ideas are ready to be expressed. The turtle cannot separate itself from its shell and we cannot separate ourselves from what we do to the earth. The way to heaven is through the earth and both are interconnected.
paulajoleonard
Jul 28 2006, 05:50 PM
QUOTE(Anvil @ Jul 28 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]1286461[/snapback]
So the first weekend after the 4th of July this year was the 7 - 9th July...If he goes every weekend after the 4th then each year he is going on different dates. Which night did it happen, the fri, sat or sun? I would take note of the date, not the day/weekend and go back on that date next year and see if it's yearly ritual thing.
The other thing that comes to mind about this experience is it's somesort of timeslip
The turtle has some spiritual significance -
Thanks Anvil. The turtle quote is helpful. It happened on Saturday and became very intense during late evening into Sunday early morning hours (12am through 4 am)
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jul 28 2006, 06:52 PM
Look foward to seeing the pics, I hope you will post some! It could have been somesort of timeslip experience where some sort of ritual used to be held and your husband his friends caught a glimpse of it, which could explain the landscape changing at times. Any clues at all that could date anything from the campers equip/tents, any idea of the kind of people they were culturally?
Sweetpumper
Jul 28 2006, 06:59 PM
QUOTE(paulajoleonard @ Jul 28 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1286430[/snapback]
I would like to tell the long version but I am in the process of writing it and hopfully will have it published.
This may be of interest to you then...(paranormal writing competition, winners to be published in a book)...
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-8297.html
crouton
Jul 28 2006, 07:48 PM
Maybe the full moon had something to do with it. It was full on Monday, July 10. So some sort of rituals for the two nights leading up to the full moon? Wonder if anything odd happened on Monday night.......
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jul 28 2006, 08:18 PM
QUOTE(Sweetpumper @ Jul 28 2006, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1286572[/snapback]
This may be of interest to you then...(paranormal writing competition, winners to be published in a book)...
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-8297.htmlThat looks interesting Sweetpumper, thanks for letting us know about it. I might write some articles myself, does fact count or is it just fiction/fantasy?
paulajoleonard
Jul 28 2006, 08:33 PM
QUOTE(Anvil @ Jul 28 2006, 11:52 AM) [snapback]1286563[/snapback]
Look foward to seeing the pics, I hope you will post some! It could have been somesort of timeslip experience where some sort of ritual used to be held and your husband his friends caught a glimpse of it, which could explain the landscape changing at times. Any clues at all that could date anything from the campers equip/tents, any idea of the kind of people they were culturally?
I like your theory about the timeslip. It would make sense. I will get some pictures on very soon.
There were three tents with 2 per tent. My hub talked to them on saturday while they were setting up and asked if there was a ceremony about to take place. The campers either didn't acknoledge him or looked at him as if he were crazy and even asked, "what are you talking about?" My Hub was in disbelief and pointed out the animal shaped rocks on the cliffs - asking " Don't you see that? It's a snake head!" They didn't respond.
But the people appeared normal.
paulajoleonard
Jul 28 2006, 08:36 PM
QUOTE(Sweetpumper @ Jul 28 2006, 11:59 AM) [snapback]1286572[/snapback]
This may be of interest to you then...(paranormal writing competition, winners to be published in a book)...
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-8297.htmlthanks for the info. I may just submit the story to them.
Sweetpumper
Jul 28 2006, 08:40 PM
QUOTE(Anvil @ Jul 28 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1286665[/snapback]
That looks interesting Sweetpumper, thanks for letting us know about it. I might write some articles myself, does fact count or is it just fiction/fantasy?
I don't know but I'm assuming facts.
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jul 28 2006, 10:44 PM
QUOTE(paulajoleonard @ Jul 28 2006, 09:33 PM) [snapback]1286690[/snapback]
I like your theory about the timeslip. It would make sense. I will get some pictures on very soon.
There were three tents with 2 per tent. My hub talked to them on saturday while they were setting up and asked if there was a ceremony about to take place. The campers either didn't acknoledge him or looked at him as if he were crazy and even asked, "what are you talking about?" My Hub was in disbelief and pointed out the animal shaped rocks on the cliffs - asking " Don't you see that? It's a snake head!" They didn't respond.
But the people appeared normal.
I know this sounds odd, but do you think they were aware of your husband at all during the time he spoke to them?
or
Perhaps they were just ordinary campers who got caught up it in as well later on, maybe there presence on the part of the land they were camping on was a trigger to what your husband and friend witnessed later on if a timeslip....
Did your husband manage to get any pics of this going on at the time?
OddThings
Sep 6 2006, 06:25 PM
QUOTE(Sweetpumper @ Jul 28 2006, 08:40 PM) [snapback]1286698[/snapback]
I don't know but I'm assuming facts.
Thanks for mentioning the competition sweetpumper. You're right, it's for non-fiction stories. The main rules of the competition are that it must be non-fiction, and never before published. Anyone who wants to check out all the details can look at the front page of Book of THoTH(
http://book-of-thoth.com) and the competition announcement will stay on the top of the page until it's over at the end of the year. Sorry for bumping an old thread, I just wanted to clear that up.
Crocodilian
Sep 6 2006, 06:39 PM
Glad you bumped it back up.....I got a big belly laugh about the 1000 pound turtles!!!
Whatever those guys were on......I don't want any
OddThings
Sep 8 2006, 01:59 PM
QUOTE(SwampGator @ Sep 6 2006, 06:39 PM) [snapback]1338839[/snapback]
Glad you bumped it back up.....I got a big belly laugh about the 1000 pound turtles!!!
Whatever those guys were on......I don't want any
I'm going to guess there was something in that water. Maybe there'll be some pics to prove otherwise...
Lady_Anvilabeel
Sep 8 2006, 08:41 PM
Oh well shame the pics never came....yet
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