this was in a finnish newspaper today, but cant find it in english maybe you can,,
buzz aldren said on a new bbc documentry called apollo 17 the untold story.. that they reported to ground control that something was following thier flight but they dident know what it was... if you can find more thatd be great..

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=74846

Waiting with expectation for the Chinese to arrive.

Actually the documentary was called Apollo 11 the Untold story and it had nothing to do with the BBC, it was on Five. I believe it was shown in American earlier this year on the Discovery Channel.

What the Apollo 11 crew saw has never been fully explained, however it did not exhibit the characteristics of an intelligent, piloted vehicle, it just drifted along with them.

The Apollo Command and Service Module (CSM) sat on top of the third stage of the Saturn V rocket attached by a structure known as the Spacecraft-LM Adaptor (SLA). The Lunar Module (LM) was housed inside this structure during launch. The SLA was made of four panels. Once on it's way to the moon the CSM would separate from the SLA. The four panels of the SLA would open up like a flower revealing the LM. The CSM would then extract the LM.

The third stage of the Saturn V would be maneuvered so that it did not follow the Apollo spacecraft too closely so as to avoid any possibility of a collision. The 4 SLA panels would, however, continue to follow the Apollo spacecraft. It is most likely that it was one of these panels that they saw.

I don't think astronauts are that dumb to not recognise their own equipments/machines/etc.
Also the UFO he refers could be anything not alien/alien... One day we may know exactly what it was...

Sounds resonable to me.

When the astronauts first saw this thing they Aldrin asked Mission Control where the SIVb was. The SIVb was the Saturn V third stage. They were told that the SIVb was a long way behind.

If they thought it could be the SIVb this tells us that what ever the object was it appeared to small for the astronauts to positively identify it. The SIVb was a large object an would have been easily identifiable at close range. If the object appeared too small to identify it hardly makes the astronauts "dumb" for not recognising it.

Well thats it then folks aint it ? ....Easy peasy...The Apollo Astronauts are just too stupid to know when they're being tailed by a piece of their own equipment.
I wonder what all that training was for ?

God forbid the Irish space mission then

Yep...About as likely as Middlesborough gettig capital of culture or getting a UEFA spot next year

http://www.enjoyengland.com/destinationgui...dlesbrough.aspx

See..... A lovely and resourceful place to visit

As for football??? What's that??? Never heard of the sport..... Ended in 1966 around July I believe?

Ah well cuda been worse.......Erickson mighta stayed

Apologies for going off topic to the rest of you ...

Well, when you think about it, a UFO, is, after all, merely an unidentified flying object. Therefore, what Buzz and the others saw, could, in theory, have been a part of their own equipment.
I tend to agree with the others, though, and be a tad skeptical about that, as I would sincerely hope that the astronauts would be smart enough to recognize their own stuff floating through space.

It has to be remembered that these guys are bouncing or floating along with a helmet on.
Certainly turning could be difficult, and the vision of view would be impeded.

What are you to think if a weird shadow is cast over you?

I imagined all sorts when I saw shadows as a kid.... That's for sure!

In a new environment they would be concentrating on what is in front of them and counting on radio contact for behind.

Yeah doooh! How would they confuse a piece of their own shuttle with an ufo? That's just crazy

Don't believe the hype. military secrets are secret until they deliberately leak them to the public. Or in this case, hoax them. The military are good at telling lies, just like politicians. We are just good at believing anything official bodies tell us as true. Like the war in Lebanon for instance. Fixed.

If you actually watched the show, yóu can see Buzz saying clearly that they knew it was not their own equip, but out of caution asked for the location of the SIbV whatever, to check if Houston had any idea of what was going on.

He also said it was L shaped.

And he said the reason for beeing cautios over the com channel, simply was that he was affraid they would cancel the mission and ask them to turn around in fear of aliens/whatever. So the astonauts remained silent about it which suits the mental view i have on such figures, they're willing to risk their lives to get into space and supresses fear.

A turnaround would cost billions and maybe they wouldnt have a chance to go to the moon again after that.

Source

Click on source and you can see UFO Clips 1-3 on this.

You're probably right there, Roj.
But didn't they radio mission control and were told that their equipment was a distance behind them? I'm thinking that the distance that their equipment would have been at, to avoid collision, would have been out of eyesight. Maybe not.

But those shadows as a kid, man....

They did send monkeys into space... what??

And what about most of the film footage of the mission , gone missing from the storage facility........

You maybe to Late!!!!

Judge for yourself.

Source; documentary- The real story of Apollo 11 stranger than fiction’.

Narrator: Traveling along side of Apollo 11 was a mysterious
object like this one (a ringed object at close range is shown),
filmed on a later mission. If it wasn't part of their own
rocket, it could only be one thing, a UFO.

This is(I can confirm) the video sequence of the ufo they used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQajjR83vQI

Aldrin: Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the
telescope and he was able to do that and when it was in one
position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it
real sharp it was sort of L shaped. That didn't tell us very
much.

It a fair assumption Buzz Aldrin would have approved of the video footage used in the documentary. I can't find anymore details about this UFO footage though..but if it wasn't filmed during another Apollo mission then you can safely rule out SLA panels or any other parts of the Saturn 5 rocket. IMO The footage looks like it was taken during a recent Nasa mission. Maybe from the Space shuttle.

Who said they asked because it was small to determine what was the thing?

He said he have to think a way to ask the mission control and do not alarm them.
This doesn't mean that the thing/ufo/alien craft/debris was close.

I am not saying they ARE dumb or that it was an ufo or what ever... I just think we can not determine what it was when even they, could not...

Preciselly. Thats what I was trying to say, on my first repply to this topic.

Even a dog was sent into space... I believe its name was Lyka! Poor thing.

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http://ufologie.net/htm/nasa.htm

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/astronauts.htm

http://www.ufodigest.com/nasa/lovell.html

http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/20...e-surprise.html

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/8827/astronaut1.html

yer i heard about that its really wierd its like freaky!

Here's what one of the Apollo astronauts,Scott Carpenter,had to say:

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."

More astronaut sightings here:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Astronaut.html

I just took a quick glance at that sight. This is lies.

Yep, that's an out right lie alright. I'm always surprized at how some folks will simply make things up in order to support their beliefs. This is why it's good to keep in mind that all evidence isn't of equal value.

Also, we have to keep in mind that when an astronaut does he say he sees a UFO, he means: unidentified flying object, not an alien space ship.

Exactly!

Just because you don’t recognize an aerial phenomenon doesn’t mean that it’s an extraterrestrial visitor. That requires additional evidence.

I actually saw this documentary over the weekend ...I'd like to ask Lily and Hazard ...what do you think it could possibly be that they saw.
From listening to Aldrin i'm pretty sure he thought it was ET......

"We decided not to tell Heuston because we didnt want the mission cancelled because of Aliens or anything like that"

Now if you're in his position ,up to speed with the latest space technology and familiar with a myriad of rocket / ship designs, Russian and American .....would you come out with this statement ?
If it were the Russians wouldnt it have come out later ?
If the Russians had this kind of Technology wouldnt they have gone to the Moon first ?
They knew it wasnt part of their ship...the only part it could possibly have been was 6000 nautical miles away ...and that was no bigger that say a coach
What could it possibly have been ?

Quote Lily

[so, we have to keep in mind that when an astronaut does he say he sees a UFO, he means: unidentified flying object, not an alien space ship.]

Quote Hazard
[Exactly!

Just because you don’t recognize an aerial phenomenon doesn’t mean that it’s an extraterrestrial visitor. That requires additional evidence.
]


How did i know you were going to say that ? you must have it pretyped on your systems now ...just push a button and theres your stock answer.
Hows about a little speculation on what all these strange things may possibly be ?.....Please not the usual Venus /Balloons / Blimps tripe though

Are they only allowed to speculate within a certain field Boogey?? Choose between Klingons or Vulcans,is that it.

Well okay Debunker

It's 1969 ,you're the very first humans to leave the earth for another planet.You're highly trained in observation,you're as well clued in as any human could possibly be on whats likely to be out in Space,you have been picked for you're ability to observe and stay cool under pressure as well as for your intelligence.You're in state of the art technology (which wouldnt be classified as safe by todays standards) from Earth.
You're halfway to the moon ..you look out the window and you see a craft with two eliptical shapes that appears to be following you.You look through a telescope and you notice that the shape appears to change to an L shape .You radio back and you're told the only piece of the ship you're travelling in that it could possibly be is 6000 miles away.

So whats your best guess Debunker ?

Goodyear Blimp ? Venus ? Swamp Gas ? Ball lightning ?

We're all ears as to what we're missing here.Why dont you enlighten us ! and maybe explain what Gordon Coopper saw..

Major Gordon Cooper


One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar.
Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

No. I have seen the film footage where one of the astronauts is heard reporting a 'bogey'. I have seen the Gene Cernan interview in which he states UFOs are from another civilization.

Is this footage like that of the President's speech in Independance Day?

Why do the Debunkers always have to bring it down to mentioning Sci Fi movies ?
Is this to make people feel stupid or silly for even thinking that not only may there be other life in this Galaxy but that just conceivably they may have found a way to get here ?
Klingons,Vulcans,Independence day ....Yaddi yaddi yaddi ...
Lets hear your theories on what people are actually seeing then okay ?
Lets start with the Astronaut sightings okay ...that should rule out blimps and secret stealth testing .
I'm all for real scepticism...i consider myself to be healthily sceptical and because of this i would like to know what the hell people really are seeing ...instead of implying they're mad and hooked on Sci Fi....which i'm not btw.

Sci-fi movies are the nearest thing to UFOs. The ideas are very similar.
In is inevitable there will be a comparison. Talk of DNA, genetics and saving species and posters will talk of Jurassic Park.

Talk about the footballer Saviola and you will hear `the next Maradona`. People will relate to what they believe or do.... fully understand.

Here are a couple of questions I wonder on -

How come all alien related spottings involved bald grey aliens with large eyes?
How come all alien space craft are not picked up on radar?

You know from my other threads that I want to believe. I can't believe until I see my own proof, and I believe there has to be life out there (most likely single cellular) as there are too many possibilities.

What are the astronauts seeing? Given there poor field of view and inexperience to the conditions it could be their equipment. Light dust particles on the visor etc...

I think the debunking in this thread only started when another poster placed a website of lies.
Until this rather bizarre hoaxed evidence the thread was following a general discussion on what posters thought had been seen.

Amazing, finally someone who has been trained and sent to space tells u all he has seen a ufo in space and you guys all turn around and start questioning his judgement and visibility etc etc.... the guy was in space an says he seen something for once its not some drunk dude or some hick in the backwoods... i dont understand, you all wait for the truth an when it gets close you all dismiss or question it. what do u need, aliens to land on the whitehouse lawn,, but then will you all say its a tv setup...

The best explanation I've heard for this event was given by 'PhantomWolf' over on the BAUT bulletin board here's a link to his post, and here's what he said:





Classified satellite, one of ours, or perhaps Russian?

Now, there very well could be aliens somewhere in the galaxy capable of getting to Earth and clandestinely observing us. Granted, it's not an impossibility, but how probable is this explanation? In order to say that UFOs are indeed ET space craft those of us with a scientific nature are going to need more than an hypothesis with only eye witness observation as supporting evidence. To go any further is going to require belief in the a priori assumption that aliens have come to Earth already...something that scientists just aren't going to do without very strong evidence.

This is the best argument put forward to me.
It has the most basic common sense in it.

I could be wrong here but arent there now 8000 pieces of space debris that have been accounted for and tracked ...everything from satelites to nuts and bolts discarded panels etc ?
My understanding is that the whereabouts of every single piece is tracked for the safety of any missions into or past orbit ?
So what you're telling me is that it's very likely that there are big glowing pieces of whatever out there that the Astronauts werent prepared to see but they most likely were sent up by us ?
Isnt it also true that the Russians were aware of everything USA had up there and vice versa ?.....so wouldnt they have been told expect to see this or expect to see that ?

Yes. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say that they weren't "prepared" to see this stuff...they knew it was there, but actually seeing it was another matter.

Even during the time of Apollo there was a lot of space junk...it's even worse now. See link. I seriously doubt that the exact position of every piece of junk was then/or is now being constantly tracked. This is why space junk is seen as presenting such a danger.

Fascinating.
I wonder who left space junk inbetween the earth and the moon in 1969?

If so why didnt they say later on ...we saw this that turned out to be X,Y OR Z ...they didnt and to my knowledge never have......Even Aldrin didnt put his sightings down to any known object later on....why wouldnt they do this to clear up any misunderstandings ?

James Lovell and Frank Borman

In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.



During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:



Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.



Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.

Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.



Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting?

Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTINGS.



Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?

Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT...