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Lucifuge
If God does exist, why the need for Angels? God is supposed to be Omnipotent (Websters Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful) and Omnipresent (Websters being present everywhere at once) He doesn't need anyones assistance as he is everywhere in everything with unlimited power. He never needs to rest and is never caught off guard. As well he sees the past, present and future of every single thing.
mako
Only in the mythologies of ancient people. yes.gif
exeller
I'm gonna say that demons don't exist. Having said that, I'm going to assume that angels don't exists either, but then again they are just ASSUMPTIONS.

Mako, you know could be wrong?
mako
Yes, Mako could be wrong, but there is no evidence (other than mythology) that anyone has ever seen or met an Angel (other than the LA type of baseball fame). While the religious love to say "Absence of evidence in not evidence of absence", I would say it might not be prove but it is really strong evidence that the absent item/person really doesn't exist! no.gif
exeller
Right, you could be wrong just like we could be wrong, that's the way it is.
Paranoid Android
When I was 10 (or thereabouts, can't recall exactly) my brother and I were outside playing with a ball. SOon, it gets stuck on the roof of the granny flat. My brother goes inside, I still want to play with the ball so I go to the shed and get our father's ladder out. I stood it up at the granny flat and climbed for the ball. My dad meanwhile looks out and sees me climbing. He runs out in a panic, knowing (but we didn't know) that the ladder was unstable. He runs out and yells for me to get down straight away, which I do.

When I get down, my dad reaches me, and says frantically "Where's your brother, he was just here a moment ago, right." Cue my brother - walking out of the house contentedly with a sandwich in hand. At this point, the unstable ladder topples over on its side.

In the midst of this, Dad swears to this day that when he looked out, there was somebody holding the ladder steady (which he assumed was my brother at the distance we were (we have a large backyard). Obviously, there was no one.

Was this an angel? Or an hallucination. That's a question that will never be answered for certain. I believe it was an angel.

Regards, PA
ShaunZero
QUOTE(mako @ Jul 27 2006, 05:51 PM) [snapback]1285542[/snapback]

Yes, Mako could be wrong, but there is no evidence (other than mythology) that anyone has ever seen or met an Angel (other than the LA type of baseball fame). While the religious love to say "Absence of evidence in not evidence of absence", I would say it might not be prove but it is really strong evidence that the absent item/person really doesn't exist! no.gif



But then again it's pretty much impossible to come up with evidence of someone meeting an angel. If it happens it'll only end up in the person's first hand account.
Tangerine Sheri
possibly angels are metaphores for nice people.........
GIDEON MAGE
I am going to explain this metaphorically. I am not trying to imply that God is an alien, but, just imagine God off in a spaceship. For whatever reason, it is a little weird for God to come personally to the planet. Instead, God sends holograms of God to the planet, that are very realistic, even able to take on solid form. Each hologram is created for specific purposes, and has an individual personality, developed by God. The system is set up so that God can see through the angels' eyes, etc. They are so individualized as to take on their own "existence", and can even argue and discuss with God. They are as much a part of God as the entire universe, just like our souls. In short, they are "tools" of the divine, it's arms, legs, and sensory organs.
Lucifuge
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jul 28 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1286158[/snapback]

I am going to explain this metaphorically. I am not trying to imply that God is an alien, but, just imagine God off in a spaceship. For whatever reason, it is a little weird for God to come personally to the planet. Instead, God sends holograms of God to the planet, that are very realistic, even able to take on solid form. Each hologram is created for specific purposes, and has an individual personality, developed by God. The system is set up so that God can see through the angels' eyes, etc. They are so individualized as to take on their own "existence", and can even argue and discuss with God. They are as much a part of God as the entire universe, just like our souls. In short, they are "tools" of the divine, it's arms, legs, and sensory organs.


No, now your misinterpretating. God doesn't need a flipping looking glass. Stop trying to pigeon hole god in that way. God is omnipresent, in everywhere and everything. God's like all the atoms that surround us everywhere. And each atom has the whole power of the universe and beyond at it's disposal.
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(Lucifuge @ Jul 28 2006, 09:59 AM) [snapback]1286205[/snapback]

No, now your misinterpretating. God doesn't need a flipping looking glass. Stop trying to pigeon hole god in that way. God is omnipresent, in everywhere and everything. God's like all the atoms that surround us everywhere. And each atom has the whole power of the universe and beyond at it's disposal.

Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer. I was not interpreting anything, just stating my own ideas. I was giving one of many possible explanations. I am very sorry you are having a bad day.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Lucifuge @ Jul 27 2006, 11:25 PM) [snapback]1285516[/snapback]

If God does exist, why the need for Angels? God is supposed to be Omnipotent (Websters Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful) and Omnipresent (Websters being present everywhere at once) He doesn't need anyones assistance as he is everywhere in everything with unlimited power. He never needs to rest and is never caught off guard. As well he sees the past, present and future of every single thing.

God has what are known as - Guardian Angles...and IMO YES the do indeed exist... yes.gif
Lucifuge
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 29 2006, 04:34 PM) [snapback]1287393[/snapback]

God has what are known as - Guardian Angles...and IMO YES the do indeed exist... yes.gif


God is the ulitimate force in the Universe. Guardian Angel - as in someone to guard, watch over, or protect him? Aw come on really? Tell me your yanking my chain here. His powers are limitless and capable of total annihilation. He knows all the past, present and future. And the outcome of any changes to these in any direction.

I think it's safe to say God's power, force and overall being are completely beyond any human or machines concept. We cannot even begin to understand God. As for Guardian Angels or whatever, I think purely there for God's amusement. If they exist indeed. To say God needs assistance or to be looked after by another being is ludicrous.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Lucifuge @ Jul 29 2006, 06:19 PM) [snapback]1287508[/snapback]

God is the ulitimate force in the Universe. Guardian Angel - as in someone to guard, watch over, or protect him? Aw come on really? Tell me your yanking my chain here. His powers are limitless and capable of total annihilation. He knows all the past, present and future. And the outcome of any changes to these in any direction.

I think it's safe to say God's power, force and overall being are completely beyond any human or machines concept. We cannot even begin to understand God. As for Guardian Angels or whatever, I think purely there for God's amusement. If they exist indeed. To say God needs assistance or to be looked after by another being is ludicrous.

NOW now tut tut ...ask me next time what I mean by GUARDIAN ANGLES LOL

God has Guardian Angles to protect......................


.......................US...yes thats right US...and I did say.........IMO...becaUSE...I BELIEVE it to be so......I pray to god to send his guardian angles to watch over my loved ones to PROTECT them..I have whats called FAITH in that.......STRONG FAITH IN THAT happy.gif
verax-acis
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exeller
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 29 2006, 07:41 PM) [snapback]1287643[/snapback]

NOW now tut tut ...ask me next time what I mean by GUARDIAN ANGLES LOL

God has Guardian Angles to protect......................
.......................US...yes thats right US...and I did say.........IMO...becaUSE...I BELIEVE it to be so......I pray to god to send his guardian angles to watch over my loved ones to PROTECT them..I have whats called FAITH in that.......STRONG FAITH IN THAT happy.gif


Those angels must be really lazy cuz people die EVERYDAY EVERYWHERE.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 12:12 AM) [snapback]1287845[/snapback]

Those angels must be really lazy cuz people die EVERYDAY EVERYWHERE.

NOO you dont get it....you have to pray for a gaurdian angle...I do..not everyone does. even those that are religious may not pray to gaurdian angles, cuz they dont believe in them...they prolly just pray to God and God alone...but in my case I pray to God to send me a guardian angle..............look its just something I BELIEVE IN OK??? happy.gif
exeller
Oh I get it. Ok, so that's how God does things now? He only helps those who are worthy? Not likely but w/e.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1287877[/snapback]

Oh I get it. Ok, so that's how God does things now? He only helps those who are worthy? Not likely but w/e.

He helps those that ASK.....its like everything in this big bad world...you dont ask....you dont get...now HUSH BOY!! happy.gif
exeller
Well congradulations, now that you put it that way, it makes more sense, and no that's not sarcasm.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 12:58 AM) [snapback]1287881[/snapback]

Well congradulations, now that you put it that way, it makes more sense, and no that's not sarcasm.

I think you meant - congratulations LOL..but it's true..you have probably heard that line before now...'If you don't ask...you wont get'

But remember when you ask..you must put your heart into it.....you can't just ramble off a quick prayer...when you pray you must put all feeling / heart ortherwise you are wasting your time... God KNOWS fine well if you really mean your prayers or you dont thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 29 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1287881[/snapback]

Well congradulations, now that you put it that way, it makes more sense, and no that's not sarcasm.

exe.... I don't even beleive in 'god' or any of it and anythnig I have ever wanted or needed has came into being and i'm not exaggerating , its often called 'god' answering prayers and its simply the creative energy of thoughts.....Prayer is nothing more than mind control, focusing on a outcome .....don't let anyone tell you otherwise....And the word was made flesh...i beleive that is in the bible its a metaphore for understanding the creative tool of the mind...lol.....
bacca
Well said Sympa...as always...

It's more the idea of mind over matter....but then of course you will have the religious side that if they don't get something that was Gods will or what not....it's all a hopeless circle if you get it God answered a prayer if you don't he had his reason....

Me I'm like someone pass me a beer and a smoke and i'll just live while I can....I have more fun that way..... w00t.gif thumbsup.gif
exeller
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 12:50 AM) [snapback]1287917[/snapback]

exe.... I don't even beleive in 'god' or any of it and anythnig I have ever wanted or needed has came into being and i'm not exaggerating , its often called 'god' answering prayers and its simply the creative energy of thoughts.....Prayer is nothing more than mind control, focusing on a outcome .....don't let anyone tell you otherwise....And the word was made flesh...i beleive that is in the bible its a metaphore for understanding the creative tool of the mind...lol.....


To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure if God does answer my prayers, alot of things I see make me doubt he does.
mklsgl
Great post, Sympa Sheri... two thumbs up!
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 29 2006, 06:02 PM) [snapback]1287929[/snapback]

To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure if God does answer my prayers, alot of things I see make me doubt he does.

Ex thats a common question, this is just a construct not word... but IMO a useful and effective one.... thoughts are energy and if thunk enough they show up as reality, the more you are aware of this that beleifs create realitys the more it makes sense...there are so many books written on this never limit yourself to one way explore them all and try things out thats the best way...if prayer isn't working a god doesn't seem to be answering then that maynot be your truth and another way will work that is for you. let your life lived bring you to your own wisdom......Ex look within your truth lives there not in anythng I say or anyone else okay.....all one can ever do is encourage you to seek your own truth not convince you of theirs.....
scoobysnack
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 29 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]1287917[/snapback]

exe.... I don't even beleive in 'god' or any of it and anythnig I have ever wanted or needed has came into being and i'm not exaggerating , its often called 'god' answering prayers and its simply the creative energy of thoughts.....Prayer is nothing more than mind control, focusing on a outcome .....don't let anyone tell you otherwise....And the word was made flesh...i beleive that is in the bible its a metaphore for understanding the creative tool of the mind...lol.....


What about the spiritual realm, out true home. Surely you have researched this.

It's possible prayer is mind over matter. Only someone who believes there prayer will be answered will benifit from that prayer.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(scoobysnack @ Jul 29 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]1288049[/snapback]

What about the spiritual realm, out true home. Surely you have researched this.

It's possible prayer is mind over matter. Only someone who believes there prayer will be answered will benifit from that prayer.

Scooby on my many journeys yes I've explored a few 'realms' It seems we agree on the power of thought [attachmentid=27107][attachmentid=27108]
Lion of Judah
Angels do exist and are very powerful but compassionate God made them in the beggining and they are 1000 times a 1000.Someone said they prey to angels lol they are like you and me theres an Angelic order so they have jobs and tasks to perform throughout the universe.
They can travel from A-B in an instant with their wings to bring us messages or perform a task.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 01:50 AM) [snapback]1287917[/snapback]

.....Prayer is nothing more than mind control, focusing on a outcome .....don't let anyone tell you otherwise....

ohhhhhhhhhh so its OK for the likes of you to tell him any different....the guy is in fact religious...but STOP you are an NB..so hey why not tell him your views tell him NOT to listen to anyoneone ELSE............LMAO...but forget one simple lil fact..ok make that a couple of lil facts...........................thos lil facts are


1. Lets him make up his own mind...only he can decide what to do

2. Just because you are an NB..dont mean you can tell him what he can or cant do

3. You have no proof...you are NO different than those that DO BELIEVE...yet you tell him NOT to listen to anyone else....hold up Sympa....he was asking ME my views I didnt go telling him he should take in what I say...I stated they where MY VIEWS nothing more...I never sunk as low as to tell him my VIEWS are right and he shouldnt go listening to others....
Its sad that people like you like to PUSH your idea and what you believe in on to those that loook vunrable LMAO....gee woman...leave him be...you got to make up your mind...let him do the same

I could laugh at people like that...they DONT believe in a god what so ever...yet try and tell others who are religious...there is nO SUCH THING and ita all mind over body....

Catch yourself on and let others make their OWN decision

I posted MY OWN VIEWS...I dont believe in telling others what they should or should not listen to happy.gif
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exeller
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 01:15 AM) [snapback]1287939[/snapback]

Ex thats a common question, this is just a construct not word... but IMO a useful and effective one.... thoughts are energy and if thunk enough they show up as reality, the more you are aware of this that beleifs create realitys the more it makes sense...there are so many books written on this never limit yourself to one way explore them all and try things out thats the best way...if prayer isn't working a god doesn't seem to be answering then that maynot be your truth and another way will work that is for you. let your life lived bring you to your own wisdom......Ex look within your truth lives there not in anythng I say or anyone else okay.....all one can ever do is encourage you to seek your own truth not convince you of theirs.....


Ok, I'll find my truth, and I wont let anyone else tell me my prayers are answered.

But just one question, if I think I have breasts, will it become reality grin2.gif

QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 30 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1288590[/snapback]

ohhhhhhhhhh so its OK for the likes of you to tell him any different....


Lol just her, no one else.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 02:56 PM) [snapback]1288624[/snapback]

Ok, I'll find my truth, and I wont let anyone else tell me my prayers are answered.

But just one question, if I think I have breasts, will it become reality grin2.gif
Lol just her, no one else.

why would you need someone to tell you if your prayers or answred or not spiritual awareness begins with knowing for yourself your truth a child is told who he is a man knows...........


your attempt at sarcasm is adorable but needs some work .....

Are you looking to grow or waste peoples time honesty is a virtue you know...
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 10:56 PM) [snapback]1288624[/snapback]

Ok, I'll find my truth, and I wont let anyone else tell me my prayers are answered.

But just one question, if I think I have breasts, will it become reality grin2.gif
Lol just her, no one else.

NO ONE was trying to tell you...if you bothered to read anyhing right...you would CLEARLY see I was stressing my OWN beliefs....................I sure as heck didnt try and tell you WHAT YOU SHOULD DO...and I WONT either happy.gif

REgardless if you are an NB or a believer...it dont give you the right to tell other who they should or shouldnt listen to........................only YOU can decide this yourself wink2.gif w00t.gif
Tangerine Sheri


hmmm.....i was sharing with ex that that isn't the only way or only philosophy on prayer..One has to excersise great care in advicing others....There are many ways to interperet prayer....if you are to address me you are to do so with respect or put me on ignore your choice..... ......this is a open discusiion all persepctives are welcome......
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 11:33 PM) [snapback]1288660[/snapback]

this is how it works for you geri you failed to put that........ you are advising him......

NO I wasnt ADVISING him..LMAO...here is how it went..if you BOTHERED to read the entire thread...it begins from post 16 ...yes sheri..post no.16..

Lemme show you what I mean...

I simply gave my lil view on what I BELIEVE....then on post 16 exeller says in reponce to my views wether or not angles exist....

post 16

QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 12:12 AM) [snapback]1287845[/snapback]

Those angels must be really lazy cuz people die EVERYDAY EVERYWHERE.


SO...I reply with...

QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 30 2006, 12:53 AM) [snapback]1287874[/snapback]

NOO you dont get it....you have to pray for a guardian angle...I do..not everyone does. even those that are religious may not pray to guardian angles, cuz they dont believe in them...they prolly just pray to God and God alone...but in my case I pray to God to send me a guardian angle..............look its just something I BELIEVE IN OK??? happy.gif


Now sheri...if youcan read...it does CLEARLY state it is someing I BELIEVE IN...it doesnt tell him HE personally MUST follow my word and my beliefs lol

so exeller carrys on posting back...


QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1287877[/snapback]

Oh I get it. Ok, so that's how God does things now? He only helps those who are worthy? Not likely but w/e.

He is asking me how...I try to tell him again....
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 30 2006, 12:57 AM) [snapback]1287878[/snapback]

He helps those that ASK.....its like everything in this big bad world...you dont ask....you dont get...now HUSH BOY!! happy.gif



STILL not TELLING him he should do anyhting...again it is me giving my views on what it is I BELIEVE IN.....you cannot say..I have told him point blank...he should do anything

OHHH but wait you do take it apon yourself to tell him....

QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 01:50 AM) [snapback]1287917[/snapback]

exe.... I don't even beleive in 'god' .....Prayer is nothing more than mind control, focusing on a outcome .....don't let anyone tell you otherwise


NOW now Sheri that CLEARLY is saying to him...you dont believe and because you dont believe....he should NOT listen to anyone else....translated -- dont let anyone else tell you otherwise<---right there is you telling him to listen to you girly girl....

you didnt say....ex...I am a non believer...I dont believe in prayer...I believe prayer is nothing moe than mind controll...this is JUST MY OPINION Exeller nothing more <--girl you didnt do that

This guy exeller is religious...unlike me he follows a religious belief...he is FULLY intitled to follow whatever path he likes.....

then you say --
There are many ways to interperet prayer....if you are to address me you are to do so with respect or put me on ignore your choice.....

I only have you on PM ignore..I have my good reasons lol...but you cannot stop me from posting my views...or are you going to TRY and flatter yourself and make it look as though I like you once accused eric..is stalking you? hmm.gif

There are many ways to interperat prayer sheri...YES...for those who are skeptic of them...it stands to reason.........they will say ...prayers are a state of mind controll LOL its stating the bleedin obvious...

Others like myself...believe in prayer...we are no different than those that dont...it all boils down to beliefs...

I dont wish for exeller to follow what I have said..and I dont advise him to either...................but I have done something you havent bothered to do....................and thats...PAY FULL ATTENTION TO WHAT OTHERS LIKE HIME BELIEVE IN......

I know he does love his religion...he has admitted being in two minds...but its up to him to find whats right....not you or I...ya dig?? w00t.gif


exeller
And I thought you two were best friends, lets agree to dissagree on agreeing about dissagreeing ok?
Fluffybunny
I am not sure if angels exist or not, but I am pretty confident that religion is about as touchy a subject as there is. Keeping that in mind, I would like to ask the folks be respectful of others opinions on beliefs. Everyone is entitled to believe or not believe as they see fit and often those beliefs are felt to be a core belief and effect or perception of the world around us; it takes very little to get into a heated argument.

Please be as understanding as possible as the other persons point of view and respect their opinion as much as you would want them to respect yours.

Thank you.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1288685[/snapback]

And I thought you two were best friends, lets agree to dissagree on agreeing about dissagreeing ok?

I was only pointing out that you exeller can make upyour own mind...heck I know you are religious...but you did ask me 1st off about why I believe....I answered you....I tld you what it was I BELIEVED IN....I didnt tell you ...that you should believe in the same as me....


Just because I believe in something that I hold personal to myself...dont give me the right to tell you or anyone else to follow me...thats just wrong


but hey you did ask me about my belief and I told you..and I made it clear it was just something I believe in <--I highlighted that part too LOL w00t.gif
Tangerine Sheri
good then, its important he knows that, the relatonship one cultivates with god is their own and your way isn't the way for ex < I did say that IMO my persepctive is a construct not 'word' either see post # 26 you may have missed it...., he is a young man who is seeking and to infer ithat his prayers couldn't possibly be answered unless he prayed your way isn't a nice thing to say.and isn't fair to him , or the only truth i wanted him to know their are other ways to interperet prayer....it is obvious he takes his religion very seriously and he has my resepct for that wheter I'm this or that has no bearing here you brough that in.... its the mother in me I guess to look out for the younger ones....ex i meant you no disreseect just wanted yuo to know that i beleive prayer as i define it works all the time( trying to be hopeful for you.kiddo) wub.gif ..geri ..also its in the rules to take Personal stuff to pm just a reminder stay on topic....thanks....
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Jul 30 2006, 04:00 PM) [snapback]1288688[/snapback]

I am not sure if angels exist or not, but I am pretty confident that religion is about as touchy a subject as there is. Keeping that in mind, I would like to ask the folks be respectful of others opinions on beliefs. Everyone is entitled to believe or not believe as they see fit and often those beliefs are felt to be a core belief and effect or perception of the world around us; it takes very little to get into a heated argument.

Please be as understanding as possible as the other persons point of view and respect their opinion as much as you would want them to respect yours.

Thank you.

Indeed thankyou for the reminder......
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 31 2006, 12:06 AM) [snapback]1288695[/snapback]

good then, its important he knows that, the relatonship one cultivates with god is their own and your way isn't the way for ex < I did say that IMO my persepctive is a construct not 'word' either , he is a young man who is seeking and to infer ithat his prayers couldn't possibly be answered unless he prayed your way isn't a nice thing to say.and isn't fair to him , or the only truth i wanted him to know their are other ways to interperet prayer....it is obvious he takes his religion very seriously and he has my resepct for that wheter I'm this or that has no bearing here you brough that in.... its the mother in me I guess to look out for the younger ones....ex i meant you no disreseect just wanted yuo to know that i beleive prayer as i define it works all the time( trying to be hopeful for you.kiddo) wub.gif ..geri ..also its in the rules to take Personal stuff to pm just a reminder stay on topic....thanks....

Girl you brought it up in the 1st place...I responded plain and simple...be a good girl and scroll up to where you rave about ----->if you are to address me you are to do so with respect or put me on ignore your choice..... <--you did say that 1st...but you failed to see that I am addressing your posts..and only your posts...and I have the right to address your posts...I dont care for anything else only to address POSTS...if you dont like it hun...Ignore it..simple happy.gif

You say the mother in you was looking out for him lol...from what I read it was the skeptic in you...no offence lol
Anyhoo all skeptics will dismiss the power of prayer...everyone KNOWS this....

If someone asks me about my belief...I will answer...I wont ignore it...but I cant advise them to follow me...why bother???

For me prayer does work...............always has....I hope it always will.... wub.gif
Tangerine Sheri
Post 30, unwarranted.....My personal beleifs work for me as yours do you and the best we can do is encourage ex to find his own truth and at this point to listent o his parents not us..........you possibly read more into it and yes the new deal is be resepctful or ignore my posts( I'm excersisng my right to be addressed repspectfully) i wouldn't be offended.if you passed over my posts..but this is enough back on topic........
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 31 2006, 12:32 AM) [snapback]1288717[/snapback]

Post 30, unwarranted.....

Unwarranted?? but uhh didnt you say...-->
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 11:33 PM) [snapback]1288660[/snapback]

......this is a open discusiion all persepctives are welcome......

huh.gif

I addressed your posts..nothing more huh.gif

then you add

My personal beleifs work for me as yours do you and the best we can do is encourage ex to find his own truth and at this point to listent o his parents not us.....

uhh I didnt tell him to LISTEN to me lol and I wont...simple

and no I wont ignore your posts..I READ EVERYONES POSTS I will read your posts too Sheri...if I have anything to add I will do so....that line once again .....is......

QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 30 2006, 11:33 PM) [snapback]1288660[/snapback]

......this is a open discusiion all persepctives are welcome......


and so I plan to do so rofl.gif

If you post anything I feel I either need to agree with (I have done) or disagree..I will say so..either way...thats how I have always been...so why should I change now?

I know what your beliefs are...I have no beef with them...never did...............

back on topic ....

Rambling off prayers...IMO..never works...but I believe that when others have done this...they see it dont work...therefore they may turn and think...there is no God...thats understandable...

I USED to do that...then I was told once I had to believe in my prayers.....there is a difference ya know..so I gave it a shot and saw for once it worked..but I dont take them for granted...thats important not to do that...but like I keep saying...IT MY PERSONAL BELIEFS...NOTHING MORE...ITS JUST WHAT I BELIEVE IN...I DONT CARE IF OTHERS DONT

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exeller
Ok guys this has been dandy, but back on topic angels. So I just remembered, but if God does answer your prayers, does he do it through his angels or what?
chaoszerg
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 31 2006, 01:12 AM) [snapback]1288764[/snapback]

Ok guys this has been dandy, but back on topic angels. So I just remembered, but if God does answer your prayers, does he do it through his angels or what?



Good question. But if god is all powerful then he would not really need his angels to do things for him like answering your prayers. Unless if god did create the world and all life etc etc did it actually drrain him and leave him/she/it in a weakend state. Then i suppose angels would then be the hand's of god.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(exe11er @ Jul 30 2006, 05:12 PM) [snapback]1288764[/snapback]

Ok guys this has been dandy, but back on topic angels. So I just remembered, but if God does answer your prayers, does he do it through his angels or what?

Ex the point is that its all perspective, so if you choose to beleive that prayers are answered through angels or dietys or following a certain faith its taking on that beleif structure and if you bleive that chances are it will work for you ...BM says she has a guardian angel her heatfelt prayers are answered i say i do not partake of constructs at all and my prayers or thoughts are brought into reality, maybe the question is what do you beleive and go from there...... What do you think or choose to work for you??????Most aren't inferring that there is some 'way' that works and no other one does.....REliogn is a choice , you choose the beleifs that you will beleive .....

Its not about what we beleive other than to see things from many different ways but what you think that is the question...What do you think.......????? thumbsup.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 31 2006, 01:35 AM) [snapback]1288784[/snapback]

Ex the point is that its all perspective, so if you choose to beleive that prayers are answered through angels or dietys or following a certain faith its taking on that beleif structure and if you bleive that chances are it will work for you ...BM says she has a guardian angel her heatfelt prayers are answered i say i do not partake of constructs at all and my prayers or thoughts are brought into reality, maybe the question is what do you beleive and go from there...... What do you think or choose to work for you??????Most aren't inferring that there is some 'way' that works and no other one does.....REliogn is a choice , you choose the beleifs that you will beleive .....

Its not about what we beleive other than to see things from many different ways but what you think that is the question...What do you think.......????? thumbsup.gif

Sheri...I once (ages ago) got you to read a post by Umer Anson kail (I think thats how her ID is spelt) her story was indeed very touching...I think you did read it..not sure..it was a while ago....but when I read it..it did touch me...it did choke me up...brought out the mother in me..if you will..

IMO you dont have to be religious to belive inangles....I think people believe in their OWN kind...If I find this post from anson kail..I will re-post it..because it is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL POST I HAVE EVER READ HERE ON UM <--I go on record saying that a while back too...

NOW...

When I post up this story...and IF you choose to read it...its YOUR OWN choice what to make of it....and like everything else it is your OWN choice what to do...you can either take it all in...or ignore it...

thanks

PS I am speaking to everyone this time lol
exeller
QUOTE(Sympa Sheri @ Jul 31 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1288784[/snapback]

Ex the point is that its all perspective, so if you choose to beleive that prayers are answered through angels or dietys or following a certain faith its taking on that beleif structure and if you bleive that chances are it will work for you ...BM says she has a guardian angel her heatfelt prayers are answered i say i do not partake of constructs at all and my prayers or thoughts are brought into reality, maybe the question is what do you beleive and go from there...... What do you think or choose to work for you??????Most aren't inferring that there is some 'way' that works and no other one does.....REliogn is a choice , you choose the beleifs that you will beleive .....

Its not about what we beleive other than to see things from many different ways but what you think that is the question...What do you think.......????? thumbsup.gif


Shery can you explain what you believe? Do you believe in any God or angels or what? Do you believe the universe was created by science only?
Beckys_Mom
Rightiooo I said i'll be back with this beautiful post from Anson...and here it is...like I said before you can either do one of the following...you can chose to take it in OR...ignore it..

This was written back in Jan 20 2006...it is very touching...worth the read...


QUOTE(Anson_Kail @ Jan 20 2006, 02:40 AM) [snapback]1028547[/snapback]

Yeah, power of suggestion is indeed "Powerful"... so.... ??? Who knows? Main thing is the lady died peacefully, fully believing in what she saw.

Here is a repost that I did. It will help to answer some of the other questions:

I've often said, "Experience is better than any book read."

I have come to accept this as a truth for me. I've spent years in study of things to do with Spirit and though many books have backed up many of my own experiences, there are some that would totally refute anything that I have witnessed. Does this hurt my faith? No, because this personal experience is something I could never deny any more than another person could deny their personal experiences.

I don't expect 'proof' of anything from others sharing of personal experience since I myself can not prove ANYTHING that I have witnessed.

When I was small, I knew things were not as they 'appeared' to be. I can still remember how I wanted to hurry and get a grown up 'body' so others would listen to me and the words I'd been given by Angles, Light Beings and other 'guides'.....

Being a youngster, everything I said was taken as a 'child's fantasy'....but, now that I'm fourty one years old, that can't be said. (Of course some might think I'm senile....lol)

Much of what I have experienced seems so far fetched that the best reaction I could expect from sharing the experience is for the listener or reader to just sit back and roll their eyeballs as they whisper a prayer that my mind be checked out.

However, I won't let that stop me from sharing here with you all. *giggles*...and I hope that once you read some of the things that have happened to me on a personal level, you too will gain the courage to share things you have been through. After all, I know you won't sound any more CRAZY than me.

The main question man-kind has is, "Is there Life after Death?".... well, maybe they need to ask, "Is there Life Before LIFE?"

I say this because I can actually remember being an infant and looking at my small hands wondering, "What am I doing here? How did I get into this body?" Yeah, I know, an infant don't know how to think in language that can be understood. After all we must learn our language from others, but that is not the case at all. I knew....just couldn't talk.

By the time I was four years old I was checking out trees. I could feel a 'vibration' that came from them and I learned that each one had a different vibe. My Mother saw me once going from tree to tree and feeling of it with my little chubby hands.
She asked what I was doing and I told her..."Talking to the trees." She just smiled and went on....

Then, by the time I was fifteen years old, I began to have days of pin-pointed ESP. It would get so hard for me to function, knowing what was going to happen that I would have to stay at home due to it messing with my nerves so bad. My Mother at that time took time to talk to me in private one day.

She explained that many in our family had 'odd' powers. My Grandfather could touch a wart and utter something under his breath and sure enough the warts would go away within seven days. (My Son has this 'gift' as well. He can also take head-aches away just by touching the forehead of the person in pain.)

My Grandfather was also a bee charmer. I've watched many times as a child him walk right up to a bee hive and reach in to take the honey comb without using smoke or any other deterent. I used to beg him to let me do it too, but he said I was too young but when I got older I would be able to do such a dangerous thing. I now charm bees and even hornets.

I began to have visitors. The first one was one I call my Son's Little Angel. He was five months old and in the hospital with pneumonia. I'd lost two babies before him and I'll never forget how I crawled up into the hospital bed with him and held him close to my trembling scared body. His little lungs were so congested and he was having a terrible time breathing.

I cried to the God I understood at the time and begged with tears, "Please get my baby well. You have two of my children already. Please heal this one God and let me keep him."

Then, I thought a Nurse had walked in because I felt 'someone' there....I opened my eyes too the still dark room for it was at night, when suddenly this light began to glow in front of me.... and in that light appeared a little girl that looked to be about four or five years old. She had jet black hair and her eyes were like pools of water. Her little lips were pink like roses and she just 'floated' there in that light dressed in a little white chiffon looking robe."

I felt only love, peace, contentment and joy as I looked at her. She spoke to with her eyes...never with sound. I knew she wanted to see my baby, so I moved over and let her look at him. She started from his head and moved her eyes down to his feet, back up, then back down...she did this three times and then she looked at me again and told me with those beautiful eyes, "Your Son is healed. Never worry about him for I will be with him always."

Then, she faded back into the light and then the light itself went away and there I was again in the darkness of the hospital room. I fell into a deep sleep with my son and the next morning was awakened by the Doctor as he was making his rounds.

My son woke up playing...giggling... and taking his bottle for the first time in over a week! There was no fever, no wheezing, no congestion. His color was pink and he was the happy baby he had been before getting ill. The Doctor was baffled. He even re-did the lung x-rays on him and drew more blood. He could find nothing wrong! He let us go home that day.
I never told anyone what really happened until a few years later because I knew no one would believe me. I've never seen this little 'angel' again, but I have felt her presence MANY times around my son.

She was the first of spiritual beings I would see for many others have come in the past eighteen years. Some have come as Angels, others as Light Beings, and some as some sort of 'guides'....
Going back to myself as an infant, I realized that something in ME had always existed, exsist NOW in me... and will forever exist even after this body goes back to the dust. This "something" is what some may call a soul. I call it "Anson." wink2.gif

Do you have anything you have expereinced you'd like to share here? Please do. Seen An Angel? Light Being? Guide? Avatar? Alien? Fairy? Elf?

No matter what your story is, I'll meet it with an open mind. I know that anything is possible. I say 'know' because I feel it so strongly....of course this isn't proof, but it's good enough for me. Hopefully it will be good enough for you too.


By far the best post ever written on these spirituality boards IMO lol.....If I where a non believer in angles...and I read that...I would soon be a believer wub.gif

found here.......

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...59782&st=15

thanks thumbsup.gif
exeller
Holy Jesus I think she may have just written the brief history of her life.
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