Hi;

This is my first post as I just joined today. I am an American citizen currently working and living in Europe.

Anyhow, I am wanting to connect with anyone who is seriously interested in the bigfoot "phenomena". I am very interested in the subject, and actually was lucky enough to see one a few years back. I hac an encounter that continued regularly for about three weeks, in which time I was able to identify sounds, tracks, etc..

Since then, I've pretty much been obsessed - which explains my move to Europe. It was taking up way too much of my time.

So, anyone want to share info, touch base on theories, or basically talk about it?

I have to say this right up front though, I am no expert on bigfoot, nor do I claim to know more than anyone else, and I really don't believe bigfoot has anything to do with UFOS, disappearing spirit animals or anything else but a wholy unclassified primate. An extremely intelligent one at that. I don't represent any group or organization, and mainly for the above reasons.

Anyhow, that's my story and I really hope to meet peoiple with the same thoughts.

Take good care,

Møøp

welcome to UM bro..cheese..

Welcome to UM Moop. You should meet both believers and skeptics, sorry to say neither of which am I...lol. Have you checked out the images section for pics? Welcome again, I hope you enjoy the site!
Blu

welcome to UM(there are some weirdos around UM so watch out)i'm interested in bigfoot but i know very little

even if bigfoot exists, the government won't let the info leak.
such evidence would be bad for their christian belief and their status in government. im not surprised that they have already secretly sent out bounty hunters to go about the wild and exterminate these potentially damning real life creatures that prove all biblical and genesis teachings wrong..thus no dead bodies because the hunters got rid of it.
so bigfoot and ufos are all kept under the rugs.. hush hush by the government who are elected by religious supporters and contributors. no ufos means bible is right.. earth is the center of universe, and god made man the most intelligent being in it. and no bigfoot means that evolution is wrong. but then again. these people can always twist the evidence around and make it to fit their cause.. thats what people are good at..
ufos and aliens can be religiously explained as "angels, demons, etc"
and bigfoots explained as "giants" from the biblical stories. well. until religion has no place in government and control in society..the truth will never come out.

yea right!

Hello A7;

Great hearing from you and I'd be glad to share some bigfoot stories with ya' if you're interested.

I noticed you are from Canada - I am actually moving to BC in a couple of years. My fav place in the world!

Thanx for the welcome and the warning!

Møøp

Hiya Blu;

Thank you also for the welcome and I did check out the images you have. That's actually how I found the site. Pretty "interesting".

Take good care,

Møøp

Hi Ken;

Thank you for the welcome! Well, so far everyone seems real nice! Hope yer havin a great day!

Møøp

Hiya Cyrus;

Interesting opinion there, but I personally have more of a problem with bankers and corporate executives in government than I do with religeous zealots.

As far as the government suppressing bigfoot because of religeous reasons. Hmmm? I guess that could be possible??? I would believe that the logging industry would have more to lose if bigfoot was validated. And, as we both know, the logging industry has powerful influence in the USDA Forest Service.

Thanx for the input.

Møøp

I believe it's the other way around.

Bigfoot = fake.

It isn't suppressed knowledge... it is over-exposed BS. Why would it only be where i live, in one spot, the Pacific Northwest that is? There is no such thing as BigFoot, it is merely a myth created to reinforce the evolution theory. And in turn, no one will ever find it, a dead one either.

Welcome to UM! I think that Bigfoot might've been real, but due to the overpopulation of the area and the devastation of the woods and the forest, their number grow small and eventually they died of starvation and become near extinct, which led to why the number of evidence is too small, and why it has become ELUSIVE! cheers!

Bigfoot = real.

Hi Kaknelson;

Thank you ever so much for your "insightful" opinion. Thank you for taking the time to enlighten me, but I am curious - as to how you came to this conclusion?

Additionally, I would ask how much time you have spent in wilderness areas within the mountains of - well, anywhere?

And, as your opinion included some untrue information, I'd like to enlighten you. That is, if you are able to learn anymore, as it appears to me that you seem to know everything. I say that in a good way.



Okay, as far as a large bipedal unclassified primate such as bigfoot being ONLY in one spot, where you live - you are wrong. There have been many extremely credible reports of bigfoot-like animals throughout the world, however, I have only researched the western United States, including Alaska and Canada, Russia and China. I know there are several more regions with sightings and history, but I just haven't had the time to check them out for myself.

You know, prior to my own experience with bigfoot, I probably would have had the very same opinion, minus the whole religeous conspiracy theory stuff. But, hey, the idea of a north American gorilla just seems too "out there" for me. And, the fact that so many people have faked evidence really doesn't help either. Like UFOs, ghosts or any other subject out of the norm of society, it's much easier to live life without all the complications of things we can't explain.

BUT, for those who genuinely do experience things like this, they are very real.

As for me, I have worked in the forests for almost all of my adult life, and as I stated earlier, I can honestly say that I have spent more time in the woods than in cities.

I welcome your opinion, as well as others, but I really didn't post here to try to convince people like you of bigfoot's existence. I don't think they exist, I know they do. And furthermore, others who have seen with there own eyes feel the same way. They are the people I want to touch base with.

You see, my purpose here is not to stand on a soapbox and try to convince people of my point of view. I respect people who don't believe the same way that I do. As I said, I am the first to admit that the idea of bigfoot does seem like a real tall tale. But, I know what I have seen. And, there are others like me also, who have had experiences that has convinced them as well.

I won't waste anymore of either of our precious time, but just had to respond.

As I said, I don't know everything - I'm damn proud of that fact. Life would be pretty damn boring if I did. Learning stuff is fun, don't you think?

Møøp

Hi cap;

Thanx for a great reply, and you know what, I partly do agree with you.

I do not think they are completely extinct, but I am sure their numbers have dwindled quite a bit in even the past few years. As to why, your reasons seem pretty plausable. But, other reasons like the introduction of foreign diseases might play a role, etc.. For example, it is believed that they are omnivores, and I'm sure quite a bit of man's diseases have made their way into their food chain at one time or another. Of course, that's just one theory of many.

Either way about it, in the areas I checked out in Washington and Oregon states, their sightings have went way down. Just in the last few years. But, I don't think they are completely extinct. But, that is a definate possibility for sure.

My experience was with one group, or family, of them in the late 90s, and by group, I would compare them to the Mountain Gorilla. As a matter of fact, there was one thing which had always had me wondering, and this was explained after watching a documentary about the Mountain Gorrilla. On one occasion one of them had charged me and then stopped 30 feet from me and made a sound that I described as a log being banged against a tree trunk repeatedly. Of course, this was at night with zero visiblity, so I was just going by sound. I couldn't understand why it would pick up a log and do this. This one baffled me.

Anyhow, when I watched the documentary, a Mountain Gorilla charged the camera crew and stood and beat it's chest. This is exactly what I heard. BTW: as I heard this, I had not known what had just charged me. And, as a matter of fact, it wasn't until the next morning when I found fresh tracks that I became a believer. Later, I had an actual sighting, which made me know for sure.

Anyhow, so the Mountain Goriilla and bigfoot have quite a bit in common I believe. But, again, that is only my own opinion, and it for sure isn't written in stone. Oh yeah, this group was pretty small, probably only 5 to 10 of them. As I never did see all of them, I am just going on tracks and sounds. I documented tracks between 4 inches and 15 inches. Also, the most common size of tracks i have seen is 12 to 13 inches. And, the one sighting that I did have, this one was only about 6 feet tall.

A colleague of mine - a biologist for the Forest Service - also had a sighting in this area - this one was estimated at just below 6 feet tall. And, the one 15 inch track was just one, so I would suspect there was just one very large one in thjis group. The largest track I have ever seen was 17 inches, and that was in another area.

Okay, I don't want to bore you anymore, but what I was getting at was that this group would visit this one swamp area every spring up until just a few years ago. And, I do wonder what happened to them? My "guess" - and I stress a guess - is that they moved on just because the attention they were getting from us. But whoi knows?

Take good care.

Møøp

You might want to check out http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?act=idx

Right up your alley

Hiya indeed;

Thanx much friend and I will do that for sure!

Hope yer havin a super day!

Møøp

My apologies about my ever so "insightful" opinion. Yes, i see Bigfoot posts come and go on here, and never take the time to respond on them.

It hit me once i saw this Pacific NorthWest Bigfoot thread. For i live(d) in the Pacific Northwest, and yes, i've spent time all around this beautiful province. I adore British Columbia with all my heart. And in all honesty, it doesn't surprise me to see Vancouver voted 3rd best place to live in the world, along with being recognized and regarded as best by many countries. Anyways, i have heard talk of Bigfoot for many years, all my life to be honest, with no sufficient evidence. Sure, there are witnesses, but there's also eye-witnesses that have seen the Chupacabra in Puerto Rico. Now, one cannot count Bigfoot as being a complete fallacy... for the witnesses and footprints are there, it seems to be more of a "15 minutes" of fame thing. Wait i have a question, do you know of what reports there are, if any, from Natives and Indigenous groups seeing Bigfoot? One would assume that they would overstand the "forest" and landscape of this area much, much better than most. And, where was the first sighting from, which started the chain reaction of Bigfoot sightings?

If Bigfoot is real, then the Bible and God's plan is completely discredited.

Why does everyone seem to think it's either bigfoot or God? This isn't The Da Vanci Code, one could just as easily exist with or without the other.

Hiya Moop.

I agree. I've never felt my faith was threatened by Bigfoot. Nor by evolution, for that matter.

hello and welcome to UM...
bigfoot is real some where i belleve
out there in the PNW
oh and...
Kaknelson finding bigfoot will do nothing to creationisim
cause bigfoot is not a missing link to human evolution
but a nother spesies altogether

Hmmmm... Im not too sure about that.

Me either. I do not see how the two are connected unless you are some religious wacko that takes the Bible literally word for word, which is pretty stupid considering 1) The age of the text, and 2) The audience it was written for, coupled with the many interpretations and translations. People who bag religion seem to rarely have no more than ideal of what it should be and they tend to chuck anyone who dare utter the word Christian in the bucket with al the wackos. Some people here claim to have seen a first hand UFO, and that the tech could only be Alien, but I don't bundle them with David Icke, some claim to have seen Bigfoot, but I do not think any of them are anything like Jon-Erik Beckjord. Give the religious argument a rest and try to argue all by your own little self Have a go at sticking to facts without side tracking to a superflous argument engineered to bolster numbers with others ignorant to religion.

Personally, I sit on the fence here, could easily slip into a dreaded non-believer as the proof so far appears to be entirely circumstantial. The Patty film, I belive personally is a hoax.
My view is that I like to also consider Meganthropus as opposed to Gigantopithecus and I also like the Skookum Body Cast as better evidence of such a creature. It's all just good fun and speculation though, only people who actually live as part of the land would be truly in the know on this, and I doubt any are telling for their own good reasons.
BTW, you do not need Bigfoot to prove evolution happens. You only need a Microscope and a friendly little Mitochondria Happens everyday.
Welcome to UM Moop.

As for Native american sightings and beliefs you should look for some of Anthropologist Kathy Moskowitz Strain's work, just to name one of the top of my head.

As for first sighting im guessing you mean by a 'white man'. Basiclly from the when the first 'white men' went to America.

Here is a 28 page thread showing differant reports/articles from historic newspapers http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=5705

why?
bigfoot is not human
it is far taller than humans and hairy alover the body
it is atleased a close human revitive but not the same spesies

I will check out Kathy Moskowitz Strain's work.

I don't destinclty mean Christopher Columbus, or George Vancouver's European crew... I just mean, where were the first documented or reported sightings? BC? And, by whom?



I guess you have a point, but even still. Im just saying, if one found and captured a creature that is a "relative", or cousin species to us.... This would poke a stick, a large stick, at religion. Now, i don't wanna argue about this anymore. Until they actually find this species of Bigfoot, with true empirical evidence, it will only be a mere contemplation. Considering this Sasquatch would supposidly be an even closer match to humans, over an Ape.

Kaknelson;

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Apologies, Buddy, I couldn't resist. Anyhow, thanks again for your reply.

And, you've got great taste in locales - my favorite place in the whole world is western BC, along the marine highway! I hope to oneday retire there!

As for the 15 minutes of fame thing. Let me address that one as far as this applies to me. My screen name is Møøp - not my real name BTW. It also is a fictitious name as far as the usual screen name that I use. Primarily because I don't want any "fame" or attention concerning bigfoot. I simply want to touch base with some others who are interested. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO SHARE THEORIES! I am sure there are some that are looking for that 15 minutes of fame, looking to get rich, or looking to be "the one" to prove they exist - bring in that undeniable evidence. But, for me, it's always been sort of a personal quest. I want to learn more about them. And, that's the bottom line.

As far as native accounts. Buddy, I am an Athabascan Indian from central Alaska. We grew up with legends of a big hairy man that would take us if we wanders to far in the woods alone. Of course, this never happened, and like many legends, we never believed them. I personally think they just told us that so we wouldn't go out and get lost in the woods. But, that was pretty common as a kid - that a big hairy man would take us if we went into the woods.

There are many tribes who have legends of bigfoot-like creatures in them. And, while doing my own research, I've learned that there is quite a bit of bigfoot stories among the native american peoples. If you are seriously interested, don't take anyone's word for it, check it out yourself. Take a visit to the nearest native reservation and find an elder to speak with. Most are happy to share their wisdom. And, just ask about bigfoot.

As far as "chain reactions" of bigfoot sightings. Friend, you can find stories of a large bipedal primate, or hairy wildman, dating back to aincent history. Beowolf is just one of many. So, it is nothing new.

As far as bigfoot rocking the religeous world. I would ask you to check out Gigantopithecus. Sorry, but bigfoot has already been recognized by science. Of course, only a few teeth and mandables were discovered of this primate, many believe it to be what we consider bigfoot today. I am one who tend to believe also. Based on the fossil evidence, paleontologists speculate that Gigantopithecus had an adult height of over three meters (ten feet) and a weight of 550 kg (1200 lb), and was thus much larger and heavier than current-day gorillas. Many specualte whether it was bipedal or not, but none the less, there is your missing link.

On a personal note, listen, it sounds to me like you've had some pretty bad experiences with religeon and that is a real shame. People can be pretty cruel. I don't know much about which God's plan you refer to, but I would sincerely hope that you learn to relax and take it easy. Enjoy life cuz that's what it's all about. I agree, religeon is pretty screwed up, but life isn't. It works for some people and more power to them. You can do whatever you like - or believe in whatever you like - just as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or infringe on others basic human rights.

Anyhow, I honestly don't think religeon will be turned on it's ear when bigfoot is validated.

Have a beauty of a day, friend!

Hiya girl;

Very VERY well said!! And hi to you!!!

Hope your day is going great!!!

Møøp

Hi CIA;

Thanks for the welcome and I agree with you completely!!!

Take good care,

Møøp

Hello Psych;

I agree with most everything you said, but I do believe the Patterson film is authentic. But, yes, evolution happens every single day.

Thanks for the post and the welcome!!!

Hope you ahve a great day, friend!

Møøp

EXCELLENT indeed!!!!

Man, that is a virtual jackpot right there.

Thanx for ALL THAT!!!!!

Hope yer day is going great!!!

Møøp

Hey man, heard anything lately? I live in SE Asia, and here in my island we've got no bigfoot. Hows there now? Happy hunting man!

The power of the Almighty is in all.

Well, thanks for your input, and your solutions to my questions. I respect you, not only as a man, but also what you stand for. Hide your name out of fear, or whatever floats your boat. You called me buddy many times, this is appreciated. However, on a personal note, it sounds to me like you should "judge not", for i am no better, or worse than you. Assuming i have "bad experiences" with religion is an utter fallacy and completely invalid. It's all good though... . And, my man, i am more relaxed than you can imagine... skylarking frequently.

The mysterious Bigfoot, IMO, hasn't been found and shown to the world for a reason, and this reason is no conspiracy issue. It hasn't been discovered, because it doesn't exist. Gigantopithecus seems like a mere ape to me. Stories are stories, right...Wouldn't have someone found a dead one yet? Emprical proof is all i ask for my friend.

If you must know which "plan"; 1611 KJV bible.

You are a genius!

*Does his best Sean Connery impression* Of course!!!! Considering the wide range of sightings and reports of 'Ol Footy from places as far north as Northern Vancouver and as far south as Fla.(Skunk Ape anyone?) and almost all stops in between.....can't ALL be the same Gigantopithecus...so why no remains?...nothing but blurry pics of 1/2 of SOMETHING furry...junk, crap, hoaxes(and bad ones at that) and junky, crappy, video hoaxes!!!! Maybe it's out there, but until I come face-to-face and have a "sit-down" with the most elusive 7' tall 300-500lbs hair-covered ninja on the face of the earth...it's just a myth.

Thanks bredrin, my mom says the same thing.

Got a question for you, smart guy. If you believe what you do believe, what is the purpose for this post?

Seriously?

Are you trying to offer the writer - or the reader - some common sense?

So, it's a myth to you. Right on.

Go your own way and let those who do believe - believe in what they will.

Or, are you - per chance - our guadian angel, sent down to make us believe in wharever we "should"?

Either way about it, i would challenge you to spend one single night out with wha you say doesn't exist,

Also, a pure genius!

you just did a paradox, the government wants every to think evolution is true, and if bigfoot is a missing link don't you think they would want to prove it? the goverment is taking the Bible out of everything, so why would they protect it? even if bigfoot exists it means God created it.

same with UFO's or anything.

Anyhow isn't a word.

just because something walks on two feet that means "oh look 3volut!on, teh roxxors y3ah ! kn3w !t.

what a weirdo

I defy you, or anyone here to find a post where I have told ANYONE here what to believe. I simply state what I know....no different than you(or anyone) stating what they BELIEVE. I would never dream of telling someone what to believe...whether it be Bigfoot or Santa Claus....I only stated what I know to be fact: There have been numerous sightings from ALL OVER the continental United States for years now, and yet no reamins of this creature have been found(stop me if I'm wrong), there are numerous pics and videos that are blurry and inconclusive(at best) or down-right idiotic(at worst...again, stop me if I err). The title of this thread is: Pacific NW Bigfoot....so naturally EVERYONE is going to throw their hat into the ring and give their two cents, right? that's what happens on a FORUM.

Understand me, I am in no way trying to belittle or ridicule anyone here on this forum or in relation to this thread...you have your opinion...fine and dandy....I am simply stating what I know to be fact...maybe somewhere in between you and I is where the truth lies.

As for spending one night with that which does not exist....I'll make YOU this promise personally, right here, right now...you produce a Gigantopithecus....or even the verified REMAINS of one, and I'll be happy to have a sleep-over....

LOL.

*pulls out her Gigantopithecus remains*

Doh!!!... ....Looks like somebody's got some splannin to do

I DIG that Gigantopithecus' is BIG, rite?

aye, welcome. and watch out for thecreeper. weirdo thinks he saw a mermaid.
Anyways, I know alot about bigfot and will be happy to share any info.
S.J.O.D.

Yes and also watch out for sadistic he made a story up once on this thread.

All of this "mud-slinging" is immature, counterproductive, and petty.......which is PERFECT for this subject.

My appologies it was not intended to be mud throwing it was just to show that he can be played at his own game. He chose to insult someone because they believe they saw something yet on a different thread he made a story up that he saw something and in the end admitted that he made it up. But to get back on subject It is strange that all of these so called creatures like bigfoot and mothman and nessie all seem to be very shy. Sharks are not shy, Birds are not shy other animals are seen a lot by humans but really strange creatures like bigfoot and others like it seem to manage to avoid humans with ease and are only captured by (blurry camera syndrome) cameras or (shakey oh my gosh i cant zoom) camcorders.

no i didnt.


How is fishboy and creeper bantering in my thread and getting it closed is me admitting that I made it up? I just dont understand your Logic.