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EctoPunk
A group member of LIGHT, a Long Island Paranormal Research Society was video taping this during a thunderstorm in Medford Long Island NY. We captured the frame due to the strange images that appeared when lightning struck the area and illuminated everything around. The truck was shut off, and nobody was in it. The pickup was in his driveway and he had no lights on in the surrounding area either.

One theory in the paranormal field is that spirits can manifest themselves better when there is thunderstorm and we are one of many groups trying to put that theory to the test.

Determine what you see in this photo. I enhanced it using photoshop because the image came out too dark. I had to use PS to brighten it up and cut down on the contrast.

Here ya go...
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Reincarnated
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Lady Warrior Ravynwynn
Very cool!
Now I know what some of those crazy drivers really are!
He he.
NoahJaymes
Very interesting indeed. Its hard to make out, however here is my thought. Whether it be true evidence or not, I do not know, however your mind tends to see things in nature, photographs what have you. Its like looking at clouds and saying hey look there is a dog, or something. You examine and examine what you find and only come up with the same conclusion. This does appear to be very good indicitation that someone or something wanted to have a joy ride ohmy.gif

Awesome Picture!!
ai_guardian
Reflections of clouds & objects outside the car grin2.gif And as we all know you can interpret clouds in hundreds of different ways...
crouton
The stuff circled on the left is merely the rear view mirror and the wing window on the passengers side window. The stuff circled on the right is just reflections of clouds.
Shiloh
Better call Batman, looks like the Jokers at the wheel.
Rhincewind
I can't see anything.
Pappzy
Me neither,unless... huh.gif
user39142
Nothin'........really nothin' at all.I would really like to say: "Yeah there are two spooky ghosts here"...but there's no trace of ghosts here...just clouds ! yes.gif
EctoPunk
Here is my own theory on this video still....

There is a phenomena called Matrixing, such as examples like when staring at clouds you can matrix images of different things out of clouds or things of nature ect; However when it comes to matrixing why are we shown such images? Is it for a reason? Or a purpose? That's what is astonishing when you matrix images. What I see in this photo is a humanoid/demon possible type man creature with ears, the 2nd face in the middle appears to be a shape of a skull, the one on the end on the right is some kind of wierd humanoid creature, then if you look above the first humanoid type creature there is another face rising above its head and another face next to that.

Nobody was in the truck, the truck was shut off, and no lights were on. No lights were on in his driveway either. If you ask my opinion, it was too dark during this thunderstorm to reflect any kind of cloud shape into the window. I don't think it was bright enough for that.

I think we are shown images for a reason, and some scientists say where I read that entities can use anything to take shape or form from any object.

Matt ~
NME_locus
Nothing more than a mere shape which the human imagination has run off with......

Enemy_Locust
Founder : Ghost Shadow Clan
Shiggity Shiggity Shwa 2
holy SH**!!!! i see a head...thats freakin creepy
zukie&jim
i think you got a "hournted-hillbilly pu" there! as seen on the "montel" show.

those guys look like the "jokers" that renovated my last pad !--LOL
Caayn
The bit on the right seems to be a reflection of water and/or clouds...the thing on the left is slightly harder to identify, but I'd guess it is something outside of the truck and seems skewed because of the angle of the shot.
143
To me, lol, it looks as though there is a skeleton in the driverside with its jaw open and its laughing. I cannot see a darn thing other than what I created it to be.
~Onyx~
Lights and reflections, nothing more.
coldethyl
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Jul 31 2006, 12:32 PM) [snapback]1289555[/snapback]

Lights and reflections, nothing more.


I agree completely.
~Onyx~
Either that, or the ghost of Slim Pickens....*shudders*...now THAT'S scary.
ai_guardian
QUOTE(EctoPunk)
No lights were on in his driveway either. If you ask my opinion, it was too dark during this thunderstorm to reflect any kind of cloud shape into the window. I don't think it was bright enough for that.
It was bright enough for a photo to develop and bright enough for clouds to reflect IMO original.gif
coldethyl
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Jul 31 2006, 02:04 PM) [snapback]1289651[/snapback]

Either that, or the ghost of Slim Pickens....*shudders*...now THAT'S scary.


Now THAT is creepy. yes.gif
EctoPunk
The reason why it was bright enough to pick these images is because we used a camera that had Nightshot ( Nightvision ) You could not record a video in the dark without nightshot.

A little background on the house this video was recorded at:

The house was built in 1935, and use to be a potatoe farm. Many immigrants lived on this particular land and the guys garage was used to shelter some of the immigrats before the house was actually built. The person who lives there now has experienced voices, strange light anomalies in the house, shadows, objects moving, objects disappearing and reappearing.

Some video and photos you can matrix. I totally agree with most of you about matrixing. However there are many theories about matrixing. I wouldn't write this video still off due to matrixing right away because of the history to this house and evidence of other paranormal activity.

I have done an investigation in the garage where most activity seems to happen and felt uneasy being there. I also got a heavyness feeling in one particular spot in the garage where your hair stands out. The garage is actually as big as a barn. It's very large. The owner who took the video of the images in the truck during the lightning storm did a little research on the house and the previous owners did some kind of screwed up rituals such as witchcraft. The lady who use to live there also died in the house. There has been also signs of children's voices. We think these children was harmed in some way because in other photos taken of the house images of children show up in the windows. The current owners do not have any children.

ScottJoyce
Does appear to be the image of the clouds to me but it really did make a creepy looking face in the photo. ohmy.gif
ShaunZero
QUOTE(Reincarnated @ Jul 30 2006, 05:03 PM) [snapback]1288631[/snapback]

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If that's not spam, I don't know what is.
boorite
I see nothing in particular.

When ghosts want to manifest, I think they can do better. That's just my opinion, and that's all it is.

Is there any reason to think this pickup is haunted? If not, then I would say it's a below-average place to hunt for ghosts.
LIGHT PAT
Hello every one i am the one who shot the video .do i think its a ghost ? i don't know i didn't get a chance to ask him , he disappeared as fast as he appeared. lol lets just call it a cool pic
LIGHT PAT
spam ? it's at least corn beef hash oh and a cool pic.
SecondHeartbeat
just the clouds,i seen a dragon in the clouds once,well a cloud in the shape of a dragon,he had my name,i also seen a puppy,what looked like a bent penis,an old man chillin,a chair,a car,if i looked hard enough probably myself or a face
EctoPunk
Matrixing intrigues me...

I agree that we can all make any photo what we want it to look like by staring at it for a while. The same goes for staring at clouds and making them into images. But in my own opinion, I think there is more to it to "Matrixing" a photo. "Matrixing" has its own phenomena. Is it our imagination that is making these photos draw an image to our vision?

Or are these reflections, and lights drawing our attention to get our attention? I just think there's alot more to it when it comes to "Matrixing" a photo. My question is why are we seeing these images out of "Matrixing" a photo? I'm not referring to bending of lights or reflections, I'm speaking about the images that e are making out of them.

Does that make any sense to any of you?
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(Shiloh @ Jul 31 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1289088[/snapback]

Better call Batman, looks like the Jokers at the wheel.


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Good photo! Ty for sharing. grin2.gif
phenomenon
Cool pic? What's cool about it?

It's a boring picture which has been half destroyed by the inept use of photshop. If that wasn't bad enough there is absolutely nothing to see, not a thing! So again I ask you, what's cool about it?

Or did you perhaps think we are so depserate to see a paranormal image we would dribble at the sheer magnifience of your editing?

Boring pic, seen thousands like it. wacko.gif
EctoPunk
Dude... the pic was not photoshopped. I hate people that ccuse you of photshopping photos when they aren't. I only used photoshop to enhance the brightness of the picture and circle the images to point out the obvious. I am a photoshop expert and use it for web design. I am the Founder and Lead Investigator of a paranormal research group called LIGHT and I am totally offended by being accused that it was photoshopped.

Our goals is to prove these things, why would I dock something up that would be totally against what we stand for?

Photoshop helps me analize photos to determine whats in the photo to start with. Last but not least, the photo was a still taken from an actual video recroding of a thunderstorm.

It was by far photoshopped, we have the video to prove that. But I shouldn't have to prove it because its here for people to determine what it is, thats why we posted it. We already know what it is and debunked it.



phenomenon
EctoPunk, you said this:

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I enhanced it using photoshop because the image came out too dark


Now correct me if I'm wrong that is editing, it makes no difference to what degree or indeed what enhancements, if any, you made. The fact remains you altered the state of an image using photoshop and offered it for commentary.

Excuse my tone but I see hundreds of these images and have to take the word of its owner that it has not been altered in way, shape or form that would bring in to question the integrity of the image.

Even mention the word photoshop and you will the skeptics out in force. That's all I was trying to say. wink2.gif
LIGHT PAT
Hey every one the photo shown is as taken from a video any lighting of the image is minimal and probably not even necessary. i know because i shot it . now with that said i realize that any photo in glass is almost automatically dismissed, but given the history of the property it was shot on i think it is worth a second look. is it not common knowledge that paranormal activity is heightened during a thunder storm due to the oxidation and electromagnetism in the air. one other interesting thing is that their was a light anomaly in the front seat of the truck that could only be seen through the infrared image in the lcd screen and not by the naked eye. just thought i would share that info so every one could take an objective look and come to an informed decision and opinion . all comments are appreciated. thank you
boorite
QUOTE(LIGHT PAT @ Aug 6 2006, 01:00 AM) [snapback]1296401[/snapback]

Hey every one the photo shown is as taken from a video any lighting of the image is minimal and probably not even necessary. i know because i shot it . now with that said i realize that any photo in glass is almost automatically dismissed, but given the history of the property it was shot on i think it is worth a second look. is it not common knowledge that paranormal activity is heightened during a thunder storm due to the oxidation and electromagnetism in the air. one other interesting thing is that their was a light anomaly in the front seat of the truck that could only be seen through the infrared image in the lcd screen and not by the naked eye. just thought i would share that info so every one could take an objective look and come to an informed decision and opinion . all comments are appreciated. thank you


Is there a reason to think the place is haunted? You mention history.

The fact that you saw an infrared image in real time inside the truck is interesting.
LIGHT L.I. Paranormal
We are currently working on editing the video and going to post it for everyone to see. simply because of the fact during the video we managed to see the figure/image actually turn its head in the front seat which was unexplainable if it was just a reflection. If it was going to move at all you would think it would move on the outside of the truck if it was only merely a reflection. However, this thing not only moved, it turned its head like it was peering over at the person filming then it vanished upward into the ceiling on the inside of the truck.

Explain that one to me... lol

Hopefully we will get it posted soon, we're trying to cut the video down to size to that spot of the video.

LIGHT PAT
This video was shot at my house the same place that got me started in this field .some of the activity includes , objects appearing and disappearing, anomalous voices( heard by more than one person) , shadow movement, hair standing on end ,numerous personal experiences , spirit photos ect. ect. this place pretty much runs the gamete. the one piece of evidence i am still waiting for is the allusive full body abberition. that is why i don't call the place haunted for now i will just call it strange . the search for answers continues!!
boorite
Well, those two messages answer the questions I had from the beginning. I had the impression that the pic was just some random pic of a truck during a thunderstorm, and someone looked at the amorphous reflections and saw stuff in it. But no, it's that you guys saw something moving in infrared in real time, and on a location that you have strong reason to believe is haunted. So it's a whole different ballgame. You really may have something here. Thanks for the info, and I'm looking forward to the video.

Edit: I've read over the whole thread again, where I only skimmed before. The history and activity in this place sound Really Not Good. LIGHT guys, what are your feelings about it? Are you scared?
LIGHT PAT
No i am not scared why would i be, i hunt for ghosts as a hobby plus i have to drive this truck every day lol
donfie
Sorry, but...what?

This is exactly the same as the face on Mars. The human eye would overload the brain if it took in all of the detail it is capable of seeing. The point of focus for the human eye is about 5 degrees. The rest of our vision is merely to detect movement.

Given that the information we receive from the eye is 'dulled' there is a need for the brain to pick out important details or we would be in dead lumber. One thing the brain is very aware of is human faces. Anything that looks remotely like a human face is "marked" by the brain for closer inspection. That's we see faces all over the place. The brain doesn't merely tell us what we are seeing, it tells us what we "might" be seeing and gives us a best guess based on the perceived threat the object may present.

There was a test done were people sleeping were played various sounds at the same volume. Birds singing and the wind blowing didn't even register but when a siren was played at exactly the same volume, all the subjects registered it. Same with a baby crying.

Our brains don't like leaving things to chance. If they're not sure about something they'll make it up. It's a very necessary survival technique and is the basis for nearly all "ghost sightings".

Go here to see what your brain can do to what you see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbKw0_v2clo

Even allowing for that I have to say that this is a particularly poor example and the weight of the responces should tell you to maybe try again. Adding a backstory only heightens the probability of it being a ghost for people who believe in ghosts in the first place.
luminousphoenix
I'd have to agree with the people who say they are mere reflections of clouds. I don't see anything abnormal unless I start to get "creative" and form images out of the reflections.
boorite
We're all aware of how people project meanings onto ambiguous stimuli. Clouds, Rorschach blots, etc. That's the deal with most YASPs.

I didn't see anything definite in the picture, and I still don't. By itself, this picture doesn't mean anything to me. But it sounds as if there's an interesting context here. And the pic is a still frame from a video, the whole of which sounds a lot more interesting than this part.
boorite
QUOTE(LIGHT PAT @ Aug 6 2006, 04:19 PM) [snapback]1296907[/snapback]

No i am not scared why would i be, i hunt for ghosts as a hobby plus i have to drive this truck every day lol


OK. Not scared of nasties is good. thumbsup.gif

Think you might have nasties here? They sound kind of rude, at least.
LIGHT L.I. Paranormal
Why do most of you referr it as a photo? Its a captured image from a video frame that was on pause. Its not a still photograph.

Here is something I would like to point out to those who are following this thread...

The other thing I want to say is that as we wen't over the footage again, and had a 3rd member of our group look at it, as we were going through other photos taken by this person who recorded the video that two of the images of the skull and face on the very right are in a completely different photograph that was framed a while back before this recording took place. The two faces appear in a completely different picture, totally different time of day, and different location. So my question to everyone is, how can the exact same images/faces show up in two completely photos? One was a still photograph and the other by a video camera.

This is why I think there is more to this video...

I will try and get this person to scan the other photograph so you can see for yourself, and we are still editing the video so we can post it for all of you.



donfie
Until the other evidence is presented we only have your word for it. I'm not syaing you're lying or even that you're wrong. I'm just saying that...

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how can the exact same images/faces show up in two completely photos?


...cannot be answered until the other evidence is presented. Witness testimony is never to be taken as gospel truth.

Am I correct in assuming that you are also a member of LIGHT and that, as such, your raison d'etre is to prove that ghosts exist? Part of the assessment of witness credibility is to factor in their motives. Although we will never truly know if people are telling the truth, especially if they truly believe what they are saying, we can make assumptions as to credibility based on who they are and what their reasons are for presenting evidence one way or another.

Your first piece of evidence is decidely shaky. We will see what your further evidence is. The fact that this is part of a video rather than a photograph is, again, backstory and, as such, will only add weight to your argument for those who already believe you.

If you want to convince anyone then you must present your evidence rather than talking about it. Until then...
boorite
QUOTE(LIGHT L.I. Paranormal @ Aug 6 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1297365[/snapback]

Why do most of you referr it as a photo? Its a captured image from a video frame that was on pause. Its not a still photograph.


A still frame from a motion picture is a photograph.

ai_guardian
What donfie said wink2.gif and your "further evidence" should include an appropriate-length slice of the video thumbsup.gif
LIGHT L.I. Paranormal
I will let you guys know when we post the rest of the evidence. Me and my partner are going to to work on it tonight. Hopefully we'll get it up tonight. I totally agree with most of you on this piece of evidence.

To be perfectly honest me and my partner agree that until you actually see evidence for yourself, it is all hear say. All evidence presented by anyone in this field will always have difference of opinions until proven otherwise. Or unless people who weren't there see that piece of evidence for themselves. Basically, the only way to catch the holy grail and make a believer into some skeptics is to catch an appirition for themself.

Plain and simple... right?

Its like saying a man is guilty until proven innocent, or a man is innocent until proven guilty....

Same scenario...

phenomenon
There seems to be a lot of pointless chatter, people correcting each other. Put up or shut up time I think. wink2.gif
LIGHT L.I. Paranormal
There is no reason to be rude... since when are you in charge to make that decision?

We've been nothing but professional and skeptical...

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