I know that this is only a sci-fi fictional character, but they fascinate me to no end.

In the 'STAR TREK' universe they created a character that has been warp capable for thousands of years. They classify the species they assimilate by a number depending on the order they are discovered. Species 8472 being one of the high ones.

They are relentless in their search for other technologicaly advanced species.

I think that the creators of star trek are bang out of order for not detailing their origins, perhaps in a Next generation movie or something they could let us into their secret.

I think that we should all throw our ideas into the hat and perhaps they might come accross a good plot.

Borg (fictional aliens)

i think 8472 is a bit different than a borg. it is some kind of "bug" like alien that lives in fludic space . there is a link from the borg there--

The Borg intentionally have no origin. They are representative of the assimilation of technological and biological systems in our modern society. Technology is taking over our lives, seemlessly creating our future as a techno/bio creature - a cyborg, or as Star Trek shortens it - just "The Borg".

Interesting! If the borg were to have an origin in a film plot.

I think then perhaps the origin of the Borg would be an alien society so wired up to an 'internet' type hub, in order to dissemintate information instantly they insert a comunication type device directly into their heads.

The search engine or server controlled by an artificial intelegence. This AI takes over and starts to control the population (borg queen) and in its 'prime directive' to take in more information it commands vessels around space and finds more intelegent alien life and forces them into this 'hub' as the numbers grow the Borg are born.

As more alien technology is assimilated they try to improve physicaly and technologicaly.

Unable to learn through cognative thought as this is suppressed by the AI (queen) all knowledge has to be gained by introducing the aliens mind to the HUB (collective).

Given that we've already seen that the Borg are willing and able to travel back through time (First Contact) to assimilate a species they otherwise could not it stands to reason that as soon as they acquired the means to do so (perhaps through assimilation) they began using it as a weapon to increase their reach over the Delta quadrant. Presumably they had significantly smaller numbers early on so time travel might've been necessary to jumpstart their expansion through the quadrant. But if some original contingent of Borg travelled back through time to pick up manpower by assimilating societies before they could defend themselves then as that original core group expanded to million or billions it may have have reached a point where it came upon and assimilated the very world from which the original contingent of Borg had originally hailed (prior to them becoming the Borg). That is, the "original" Borg would be created when they are assimilated by their time-travelling selves or descendents. This event more than any other would be the "origin" of the Borg, even though the Borg may have been active and conquering for millennia before that time.

In fact, if that were the case the "origin" of the Borg could lie at some point in the future (from the 2370s "present"). Anyway, just idle speculation as to why the Borg have existed for so long with that level of technology.

I agree but I think even the Borg are aware of the consequences of tampering with time travel, not even their immense computing power could predict what effect assimilating a certain species in the past before they did in the future would have on the eventual outcome. This could prevent them from using time travel as a weapon. With the incedent when they tried to assimilate earth all they managed to do was say come here we have found Earth (enterprise).

This signal was in their memory banks when they attacked Earth system and at wolf 359.

They know too well that changeing the past alters the future, it would be potential suicide to do it.

Perhaps but we have seen indications that time loops play a central role in certain aspects of the Borg's conquests. The Enterprise episode "Regeneration" reveals that time-travelling Borg on 22nd century Earth sent a signal to their counterparts in the Delta quadrant that initially brought the Borg into the Alpha quadrant in the first place. The first appearance then of the Borg in TNG (albeit offscreen and without mention by name) in "The Neutral Zone" was something triggered by events that hadn't happened yet (the events of First Contact which themselves led to the events of "Regeneration") but also by events that had taken place centuries in the past. Granted this is all part of one storyline but it doesn't appear the Borg have any qualms about altering or fulfilling history.

From the very very little Star Trek of any kind I have watched, I got the impression the Borg were a metaphor for communism/fascism.

somehow i can't get "7of 9" out of my head !--LOL

I have always believed that the borg were the result of the merging of Matt Decker and V'ger in the 1st trek movie. There are many things to support this. Spock melds with V'ger and is amazed to find out that it came from a planet of machines in the Delta Quadrant for one. Rewatch the movie with the idea in mind and you'll see what I mean

That presents the question of who the Borg were attempting to contact with the Enterprise-E's deflector dish in 2063, almost 220 years prior to the merger in ST:TMP.

I don't really know why they haven't touched upon this yet, especially for a movie, maybe not even an origin but another Borg based movie anyway because lets face it, The Borg is one of the most, if not the most interesting thing about Star Trek (atleast to a general audience of movie goers)..

Paramount has signed JJ Abrams to write a script for a new Trek movie based on a young Kirk and Spock.

I don't know why they don't make a new movie about The Borg, maybe their origins or trying to destroy them once and for all or just make a completely new movie with a new crew and bring in a new enemy species... You know, they could make the Borg a truly terrying cinematic villain and yet they feed us dribble like Star Trek: Enterprise.

At any rate Abrams is one of the few people that could actually save the Trek franchise, though with the young Kirk and Spock, I am even a little skeptical at that. I just don't think the general audience would be interested enough in something like that.

As long as they don't like Johnathon Frakes direct, it should be ok haha..

A good plot for a movie could be the enterprise finds a borg transwarp hub and it takes them to the Borg planet of origin. Unaware of its significance they try to return but are captured.

They are taken to the Queen and then they discover that the queen on this planet is not humanoid, but actualy an ancient artificial intelligence computer, THE queens concienceness.

They are not assimilated because the enterprise crew have infected themselves with a devistating virus which would destroy the borg drones.

Through flashbacks we see that the computer AI was in charge of the planet went it went postal. it took control of all the population through mind control. Thus the borg were born.

The crew manage to escape and destroy the AI computer, this intern severs the collective link to all drones everywhere. The cybernetic implants all start to fail and every drone returns to their original species.

So endeth the Borg.

But are they completly destroyed!?


The fascinating thing about the Borg is they can do almost anything they learn not by study but by adaption and assimilation. With this ability they should have been able to assimilate the whole galaxy and beyond. Theirs is a world of FACTS not theories, they know because its been done.

The sense of achieving perfection renders them relatively inert as to enable perfection they have to allow the lesser technological species to advance. Like a parasite it is unwise to kill your only source of food. If you've assimilated everything then what more can you learn.

Even Q said "Don't provoke the Borg"

I don't think they should tell us the origins of the Borg. The Borg were far scarier when we knew little about them. Then they introduced the Queen, had Voyager kick their asses every three episodes, and basically told us so much about them, showed them to be so weak, that the whole fear of the big bad monster in the dark totally left them.

Borg were scarier when they turned up once every few seasons, killed people, and the ship narrowly escaped.

Technology, my friend. Look at the mobile phone. Perfectly assimilated into our modern culture. Take a mobile away from someone and they feel naked. Internet, likewise. Take the internet offline for a couple of hours and there'd be chaos, methinks.

True, I don't think it showed them to be weak, definately vulnerable to quick and new strategy. But when they adapt they kick ass.

Janeway was a quick thinker she was always one step ahead, with seven of nine at her side she could not only find out what the borg might be thinking but be one step ahead most of the time.

With the borg any repeat of a tactic was easly learnt and countered. You only ever had one shot. That in itself is frightening as you could quite easily 'run out of ideas' in panic, then its too late.

When you are up against a foe that not only outnumbers you thousands to one, but can recieve 75 percent damage and can still destroy you. When even one borg drone can infect and assimilate a whole starship possibly a whole colony. Thats scary.

Knowing how they were 'born' would not, in my eyes lose their sense of scariness but it would increase my sense of hopelessness knowing I don't stand a chance. (he he its not real )




One day in the future people will be 'plugged' into the net via an implant in their heads, with just a thought the information would just appear as thoughts in your head.

This will all be controlled by an AI computer, one day the AI will control us all