dancin'hamster
Oct 25 2003, 11:33 AM
I have thought long and hard about posting this particular story, and I sincerely hope that I don't offend anyone here by putting it up.
I have never been a fan of the Royal Family or Diana but I was shaken to the very core when I heard of her untimely death. The real tragedy here is that a young woman died leaving two young boys without a mother.
Once again, I apologise if this upsets anyone.
This article is taken from David Ickes' site. If anyone wants the link PM me.
'One of the most important subjects to research if we are to understand how Diana was killed, is the power and potential of mind control. I'll give some examples. In the 1980s the best part of 30 scientists working in top secret projects, mostly computer programmers, died in very strange and unexplained circumstances. Marconi was the major company involved, but there were others like Plessey and British Aerospace. In 1986 Vimal Dajibhai, who was working for Marconi Underwater Systems, drove from London to Bristol, a city with which he had no connection, and threw himself off the famous suspension bridge there. A few months before, Arshad Sharif, a computer programmer with Marconi Defence Systems, also drove from London to Bristol and hanged himself.
Why Bristol? It is a former Knights Templar port and its name has evolved from Barati, the Phoenician goddess. It just so happens that an elite unit of British Intelligence called the Committee of 26 is based there and they use the runway at the British Aerospace complex to fly British and foreign agents in and out of the country. I was called once, from what sounded like a plane, by a guy claiming to represent the CIA. He said he was flying into the British Aerospace runway to sort me out. "The Company (CIA) are not happy," he said. Oh, I thought, I am sorry, I do hope they cheer up soon. I drove over to meet him just to check it out, but he didn't show. He was probably a guy who needed help, or perhaps they were seeing how I would react to threats. Either way, they got the airport right. In that period in the 1980s, not only in Bristol, there were strange deaths galore of people at the cutting edge of development in the 'defence' industries.
What possesses a man to get into his car, drive more than two hours to the Bristol Suspension Bridge, and jump off? This may seem a long way from the Diana assassination, but it's not. I'm talking about mind control. A CIA scientist told me that he was put through forms of mind control to stop him recalling his knowledge once a project was completed. I'll give you an example of mind control in a situation very similar to the one in Paris. David Sands was a highly skilled scientist working in a very sensitive area of defence, but at 37 he was talking about leaving the industry and changing his lifestyle. He was happily married with two small children, a son aged six and a three year old daughter. Sands and his wife had just returned from an enjoyable holiday in Venice when he died in mysterious circumstances. Although they are not so mysterious if you understand mind control. He worked for Easams who, in turn, were operating contracts for the Ministry of Defence.
It appears that while Sands and his wife were in Venice, the company was visited by members of the elite British police unit, the Special Branch. Then, on Saturday, March 28th 1987, David Sands told his wife he was going out to refuel the car, but he didn't return for six hours. No-one has any idea where he was, but I think I do. His wife, Anna, called the police and constable John Hiscock was at the house when Sands returned at 10.20pm. Asked the obvious question : "Where have you been?", he said that he had been driving and thinking. His wife said that it was out of character for him to be away for so long and she didn't think he realised how long he had been out. He seemed confused, but happy, she said. Two days later, on Monday, March 30th, he climbed into his excellently maintained Austin Maestro and began his regular journey from his home in Itchen Abbas, near Winchester, to Easams at Camberley in Surrey.
His wife said that there was nothing unusual about his demeanour or behaviour and driving conditions were good. But about 30 minutes into the journey when David Sands was driving along the A303 at Popham, near Basingstoke, he suddenly did a U-turn across the dual carriageway and headed at high speed in the opposite direction to his destination. Turning onto a slip road at about 80 miles an hour, Sands then drove his car straight into a disused cafe building killing himself in an explosion of flame. There were no skid marks. He had not even tried to stop. It is so clear that during the time he was missing, his mind was being programmed and all it took was a trigger word, sign, sound or action, and the programming was activated. At that point he would have switched from his normal self to a man focused only on driving into the cafe building and blowing himself away. The subconscious programming overpowers the conscious mind and robot replaces human.
That, I am convinced, is what happened to Henri Paul in Paris. Sands went missing for six hours before he drove into the cafe. Paul was missing for three hours before he drove into the 13th pillar in the Pont de l'Alma tunnel. This is what I suggest happened in Paris. The Brotherhood networks were working through many people and agencies to ensure that Diana was in Paris that night because, at its foundation, the plan was to perform a specific Satanic ritual and the timing, circumstances and the place of death had to be arranged in intricate detail. Diana was under Al Fayed's security web for much of the time leading up to the crash and all of the time in those last few days. Her conversations were heard and monitored throughout by the Al Fayed bugging system. During his missing hours, Henri Paul,the asset of French and British Intelligence, was being programmed for his role, or perhaps the final touches were being put to programming already installed.
Diana's ritual death was arranged from the very top of the Brotherhood and, by comparison, people like Al Fayed are small and powerless nonentities, pawns in the game they do not fully understand. The Mercedes which was brought to the rear entrance of the Ritz had been stolen some weeks earlier - before the Diana - Dodi relationship began - and when it was recovered it underwent extensive repairs. It had been standing outside the exclusive Taillevent restaurant when the driver's door was flung open and the chauffeur pulled out by three Arabic - speaking men with hand guns. The vehicle was missing for two weeks and when it was found the wheels were missing, the door ripped off, and the electronic system and equipment controlling the braking system had gone. Al Fayed, as we have seen, controlled the company, Etoile Limousines, which supplied the vehicle. No wonder the French Authorities turned down the offer by experts from Mercedes to examine the car after the crash.
When Henri Paul came back on duty that night he seemed his normal self to most observers. The programming was deep within his psyche waiting to be activated. He may well have had a couple of alcoholic drinks in the Ritz bar, but his intake aand demeanour did not correspond with the later medical report. Claims that he was an alcoholic also do not match with the examination of his liver. But if, as I suggest, Henri Paul was a mind-controlled 'multiple' he could have been drunk in one compartment of his mind and not in another. I have heard from recovering 'multiples' who have experienced this. Someone close to Paul that night, his handler, was switching his compartments. In this way he could have had a considerable level of alcohol in his blood while, in some compartments, he would have been unaffected by it.
The same with the carbon monoxide. Just before or just after the Mercedes pulled away from theRitz, Henri Paul was given the trigger which activated the programming. It could have been a a sound, a sign, a colour or more likely a word or a sentence. With Paul's subconscious programming now overwhelming his conscious mind, he sped away to the Place de la Concorde and down the dual carriageway to the Pont de l'Alma. Rees-Jones put his seat belt on, but apparently did not alert Diana and Dodi to the danger. Thus they stayed unbelted. As Paul entered the Pont de l'Alma tunnel at an estimated 80 miles an hour (some reports say slower), he braked fiercely, scraped the right hand wall of the tunnel, and then aimed the car at the 13th pillar. It is the 13th pillar that gives it away.
The Brotherhood throughout history has had such an obsession with the number 13 that to believe that this was a coincidence is taking chance to the level of fantasy. There must be 30 pillars in that tunnel and the car hit the 13th because it was meant to. Diana had an aversion to the number 13 and she would not allow a 13th lot in her dress auction at Christies the June before she died. If, as some witnesses have suggested, the crash was caused by the Mercedes hitting a white Fiat Uno or by a motorcyclist flashing a powerful light into Paul's eyes from a motorcycle, there is no way he could be sure of hitting the 13th pillar. But a person with a deeply programmed subconscious would be able to put the car right on the button, even at speed. Mark Phillips was the man who helped to deprogramme Cathy O'Brien when she was a mind controlled slave of the CIA.
He has worked in these fields for much of his adult life and after I reached my conclusions about the events in Paris, I rang him to ask if it would be possible to mind-control Henri Paul to pick out that pillar at speed. Mark was in no doubt. "Yes, Yes," he said, "More than yes, absolutely yes." He pointed out that the subconscious works much more quickly than the conscious mind and to the subconscious 80 miles an hour would actually be quite slow compared with its ability to think and to react.
If the speed was considerably slower as some reports suggest, it would have been even easier. "There are many techniques they could have used to programme his mind during those three hours that he was missing," Mark said. The number of ways they could have caused the crash; another vehicle, an explosive device, stun weapons, etc., etc., would fill a book, and any of them is possible on the face of it. But not if they wanted to be sure of hitting the 13th pillar, which they did. To do that, they needed a driver with a programmed subconscious....... '
Hammy
Thistle
Oct 25 2003, 02:36 PM
Ummmm yeah. Given that David Icke once proclaimed himself the new Messiah and now claims that the planet is run by " Lizard people " of whom our very own Queen is one of the most senior ( he has seen proof of this apparently, presumably Her Majesties third eyelid or long forked tongue !!!!!!) I would have to reccomend that ANY information coming from his website be taken with a pinch of salt if not the entire contents of the Dead Sea.
Agent_21
Oct 25 2003, 03:18 PM
| QUOTE (thistle1 @ Oct 25 2003, 02:36 PM) |
I would have to reccomend that ANY information coming from his website be taken with a pinch of salt if not the entire contents of the Dead Sea.
 |
I agree.
Sorry Hammy, but where I did once have some degree of respect for David Icke, I think he's long since gone off the deep end...with lead boots.
Actually, on a second reading, I'm a bit surprised at just how distateful I found that. (I was no fan of Diana myself, although a vaguely Royalist sympathiser).
But they're not your words; I'm sure it's a good thing for it to be in the public domain. Maybe the real truth will emerge one day, if it hasn't already.
sarkypi
Oct 25 2003, 03:35 PM
I've only recently heard of Icke, and I was just wondering when he talks of the Lizard people is he referring to the Pleiadians? Cause in a lot of channeling circles the collective conscious of the Pleiadians are respected.
dancin'hamster
Oct 25 2003, 04:19 PM
I thought this may cause offence......I'm sorry.
As I said I do not like the Royals ~ not one bit. They are a genetically-inbred bunch of scroungers..........but Lizards? Nu-huh.
Icke hassn't ever claimed to have seen 'lizards'. Many thousands of people have reported this but it is only now that it is being heard of.
The 'Lizards' are the Anunaki, not the Pleiadians, although they are considered to be quite close.
Icke also admits to having a breakdown. This was in his 'Son Of God' phase. Having had a few conversations with him I found him highly intelligent and very, very funny and self-depricating.
Does'nt mean I agree with what he says.........
Thistle
Oct 25 2003, 05:05 PM
For those who are not aware of David Icke, here is a direct quote from his website
"people like George Bush, Henry Kissinger, and a stream of the other Illuminati "big names" are exposed in my books and on this site as reptilian shape-shifters who take part in human sacrifice and blood drinking. "
Hammy, I for one was not offended by this post BUT I do find it extremely worrying that a man who makes statements like the one above is
a: allowed out in public unaccompanied
b: believed by so many otherwise well educated people throughout the world
On a lighter note, I confess to loving his website and would urge everyone to go and have a read because it is THE funniest site on the internet
Seraphina
Oct 25 2003, 05:54 PM
lol...I pray he was trying to be tongue in cheeks with some of that stuff...It's a pretty distasteful subject to pick to be the brunt of a joke, but all the same...if he's series about that (let alone the...shape...changing lizards...) then I worry, I truly do.
sarkypi
Oct 25 2003, 07:19 PM
Well, I didn't know there were other types of Lizards. The Lizard thing sounds out there, and I suggest people read about it more first cause it is really interesting. A good book on Pleiadians is "Bringer of the Dawn" Teachings from the Pleidadians by Barbara Marciniak.
I have met 2 channels of Pleiadians....while I do not "follow" Pleiadian teachings a lot of what they say has come up in other new age teachings. Humans need to eliminate the words "should" and "try" from their vocabulary. Instead use the word intent and intention when you pray and talk. I really suggest people use this word, and see what results they get. Using that one word in prayer really changes things dramatically. According to the Pleiadians, humans have 12 strands of DNA and twelve chakra centers....this comes up in yoga, and indigo children, and if you read about the astral body.
I do not know much about Icke....I just saying you should not judge him on this one thing, where I am from the Lizzies are very common in new age circles.
saxcatz
Oct 29 2003, 11:49 PM
| QUOTE (trashmaster @ Oct 26 2003, 01:31 AM) |
who is david ickes? |
A quack...
Do not worry yourself with him.
DukeofNoodleness
Nov 1 2003, 12:14 AM
No offence but on dianas grave it should say GET OVER IT!
Okay okay so she stepped outta the ROYAL way of living and helped poor people! YES SHES DEAD AND IT WAS VERY SAD!! EVEN I MOURNED! BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! Does anyone agree??? i know im off topic but it just annoys me!
Seraphina
Nov 1 2003, 12:49 AM
Yes, I agree completely. So called conspiracy theories like this just make a mockery of the poor woman's death, and everything she did while she was alive...not that I ever remember her doing much that made a difference to be honest...she was just a celebrity. The royal family are not in the habit of having celebrities murdered.
She wasn't even royalty anymore...she was no threat to the throne or any such thing. They would have no reason to risk the public outcry. So, in the name of god, get over it and let her rest in peace
Thistle
Nov 1 2003, 01:16 AM
I agree too, it was a tragedy that she died when she did but like I said earlier, all this talk of assassination is just gonna make it even harder for children to get over their mother's death. The press would never leave her alone in life and it seems that she will get no peace in death either
bigsteff
Jan 9 2004, 12:48 AM
ok i'm not fully up to date with the whole ins and out
but with what i have watched and read i can say this much
ok the lets get it straight....the driver should have been the bodyguard
but henri paul decided he should drive
so with someone with knowledge at the wheel the take off
now it's a straight forward route from where they were to where they were going
but to lose the paparatzzi the driver decided to take another route
there apon a white fiat uno was involved and well we know the rest
anyway my point is and HELLO TO THE CONSPIRACY PEOPLE..YES THE ANTI ROYAL/GOVERMENT/C.I.A people is this
if HENRI PAUL decide to drive and then decided to take another route,,then either the fiat uno was just as it's supposed to be an innocent driver
or HENRI PAUL new the fiat uno driver would be their and took that route on purpose so that the fiat uno would do what it was supposed to have done.....
i mean how do you take out a car on a street , that it's not supposed to be on
if this has been discussed i 'm sorry lol
bigsteff
Jan 9 2004, 12:59 AM
if your(dreamrebel) reply is to me then ill assume that is your actual photo then
jimma
Jan 9 2004, 11:41 AM
| QUOTE (bigsteff @ Jan 8 2004, 11:48 PM) |
ok i'm not fully up to date with the whole ins and out
but with what i have watched and read i can say this much
ok the lets get it straight....the driver should have been the bodyguard but henri paul decided he should drive so with someone with knowledge at the wheel the take off now it's a straight forward route from where they were to where they were going but to lose the paparatzzi the driver decided to take another route there apon a white fiat uno was involved and well we know the rest
anyway my point is and HELLO TO THE CONSPIRACY PEOPLE..YES THE ANTI ROYAL/GOVERMENT/C.I.A people is this
if HENRI PAUL decide to drive and then decided to take another route,,then either the fiat uno was just as it's supposed to be an innocent driver
i mean how do you take out a car on a street , that it's not supposed to be on
if this has been discussed i 'm sorry lol |
or HENRI PAUL new the fiat uno driver would be their and took that route on purpose so that the fiat uno would do what it was supposed to have done.....

Not many people, believe it or not are prepared to commit suicide to meet someone else's ends
Stamford
Jan 9 2004, 12:06 PM
Although I for one do not think that there is a conspiracy regarding the death of Diana, an interesting piece in the Independent on Tuesday mentioned that the guy that the French Police think was driving the Fiat Uno, although it was never proved, was found dead in a burnt out car a couple of years ago.
That should get the Conspricay Boys and Girls attention.
Novo
Jan 9 2004, 08:53 PM
Foolish people who kill will pay leave that up to god..
"Vengance Tis Mine Sayeth The Lord"
Just let the lady rest in peace.. we all die eventully thats just lifes course
"From the moment we are born we begin dieing"
Just wait be patient and all questions will answer themselves
LisaMHD
Jan 10 2004, 02:26 AM
Now the latest rumor about her is that Diana was pregnant when she was killed. Why cant the poor woman be left to rest in peace? So what if she was pregnant, she was free, white and over 21!!!!! AND, she was divorced from Prince Charles!!
bigsteff
Jan 11 2004, 12:24 AM
but as far as we know now...she was'nt with child
lets face it people,,,the driver was not drunk,,he was a driver who thought that he or the car he was driving ,was better than it was,,and he hit a car that happened to be on a road that he alone decided to take,if this was the oridary bloke on the street..he would be forgotten about,,apart from his family..
IT WAS JUST ANOTHER TRAFFIC ACCIDENT...THERE HAS BEEN MANY AND THERE WILL BE MANY MORE..LIVE WITH IT
thepsychoticseaotter
Jan 11 2004, 01:49 AM
I'm going to cause a few heart attacks here.
I don't buy all of Icke's comment (funny my plant manager has the same last name)
But, I do believe that The royal family had Diana offed. Look at history. Diana was an embarassment to Charles, the divorce cause undo heartache to the Queen. Also as long as she was alive the focus would be off Charles when he ascended to the throne.
So they removed her and made it look like an accident....
Stamford
Jan 12 2004, 09:43 AM
I can see that there are many reasons to have Diana bumped off.
I just can't see that this is the best way of carrying out an assasination.
There are just too many ways for such an operation to go wrong.
Let's face it, I am sure that the Security Forces have far more effective ways of topping people without raising suspicion.
That's the official line by Boss wants me to take anyway...ooops!!
Undead
Jan 12 2004, 08:46 PM
David Icke is a nut case. Worst site on the net!!!!!!
joc
Jan 14 2004, 05:08 AM
| QUOTE |
| Ok - I say Col. Mustard did it with the rope in library!!! |
Good one!
Seriously though. I have a theory.
Diana was taking lots of pills. And so was her driver. Pills...cars...not a good
combination.
6 String Samurai
Jan 14 2004, 06:47 PM
You know when a random person dies in circumstances similar to this aka getting rather influenced by some form of narc or another it gets news coverage for a day or so... simply because this was a well loved person who was a member of the royal family and actually shook aids sufferers hand's without use of gloves or handbag, people naturally assume there's a big fat conspiracy...
wunarmdscissor
Jan 14 2004, 07:26 PM
It was an accident.
Let her rest in peace an get on with it.
Sandy Band
Jan 15 2004, 11:35 AM
| QUOTE |
| Ok - I say Col. Mustard did it with the rope in library!!! |
You sunk my battleship!
This one will run and run, just as there are hundreds of people still trying to work out the exact ins and outs of JFK's death. I personally think it was nowt but an accident. Pissed-up driver + powerful car + high speed chase = trouble.
| QUOTE |
| Diana was an embarassment to Charles, the divorce cause undo heartache to the Queen. Also as long as she was alive the focus would be off Charles when he ascended to the throne. |
If that's the case then what about Fergie. Certainly an embarrasment to the family, and presumably the divorce with Prince Andrew was also a source of heartache. She makes me cringe a whole lot more than Diana did, who at least never managed to get photographed by the paparazzi while frolicking round the pool sucking the toes of a dodgy texan businessman. Should she be looking over her shoulder too?
The fact is, surely Charles ascending to the throne would put him into focus, Diana or no Diana.
thepsychoticseaotter
Jan 16 2004, 12:47 AM
Fergie is an embarassment, yes. Fergie is not enough of one to warrent an execution. Fergie has been in the news how much lately? Yep the easiest way to deal with fergie was to let her go into obscurity....
thepsychoticseaotter
Jan 29 2004, 12:06 AM
Let's add fuel to the fire a bit. Suppose the death of Diana was a part of a larger plot to do as suggested above. It is hardly unbelieveable that the monarchy has enemies.
The question then is: Who would benifit by Diana's death and the fall of the Crown?
DukeofNoodleness
Jan 29 2004, 09:14 AM
I dont think its a conspiracy that diana died...It was a freak accident and the women should be allowed to rest in peace (or at least id like to think she could)
Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy you know! Yes a lot of things are and i do believe in quite a lot of them, like the moon landing etc....but i think its really naieve to just make a conspiracy theory out of everything! Some things do have rational explanations you know!
bathory
Jan 29 2004, 09:53 AM
god damnit, the Moon Hoax theory has been debunked so many times its gets annoying when someone mentions it. There is zero evidence of a hoax aside from overactive imaginations of people who have zero qualifications in the field.
DukeofNoodleness
Jan 29 2004, 07:03 PM
| QUOTE (bathory @ Jan 29 2004, 08:53 AM) |
| god damnit, the Moon Hoax theory has been debunked so many times its gets annoying when someone mentions it. There is zero evidence of a hoax aside from overactive imaginations of people who have zero qualifications in the field. |
Daaang man!! I was using it as an example! Ill try to be less ''annoying in future''
Duffster
Jan 30 2004, 04:37 PM
David Icke used to say everyone should wear turquoise to attain higher sense of being - I remember him saying it on Live and Kicking whilst wearing a turquoise shell suit - Phillip Schofield looked a bit bemused. Does anyone remember when he was Cov City's goalkeeper?
jimma
Feb 2 2004, 02:19 PM
| QUOTE (bathory @ Jan 29 2004, 08:53 AM) |
| god damnit, the Moon Hoax theory has been debunked so many times its gets annoying when someone mentions it. There is zero evidence of a hoax aside from overactive imaginations of people who have zero qualifications in the field. |
Yeah mate, a bit like you lot with these absolutely ridiculous Diana theories. IT WAS AN Accident, leave her alone. I have noticed that all the 'EXPERTS' on this thread are predominantly American. Overactive imaginations of people who have zero qualifications, Your not wrong there! At least there is some evidence of a moon landings fake, i.e etched lens crosshairs BEHIND subjects in Photos, Pictures with same background, different foreground etc, it's all there for us to see. NONE of you witnessed the accident in Paris so why do you all think your such experts.? White Fiat - Not many of them in Paris is there?! (sarcasm). These Di theories, what a load of old Bo**ocks.
SuperSarah
Feb 6 2004, 04:22 PM

just a picture to pay our respect back in england she was everyone favourite royalty