He was part of the government. How can you trust him?

Well, Alex Jones has done a great job this time...

There is NO record of a colonel in the Army with the last name of "de Grand", "de Grand-pre", "degrand", "degrandpre" or any other variation...

He got a bogus colonel.

ALSO, this colonel was retired prior to 1975... it isn't like he is still in the service by any stretch of the imagination...

Alex Jones is just getting sloppy.

I love when people use this line.

When someone in the government comes out and admits something, you have people like this be a smart ass and try to say "oh, well the government lies, now he must be too so why trust him"
Not everyone in the government is full of sh**.

and not everyone in the government are bad.

I could be wrong, but I think aquatus was being sarcastic with that comment.

Maybe not "sarcastic", but merely trying to point out the tendency of conspiracy theorists to never trust what the government says until an official happens to say something that might support their side.

I could be wrong, but I think aquatus was being sarcastic with that comment.

Maybe not "sarcastic", but merely trying to point out the tendency of conspiracy theorists to never trust what the government says until an official happens to say something that might support their side.

First of all conspiracy theorists dont believe that everyone in the government is bad and in on the conspiracy. It is a few certain elite indidviduals. So you and Aquatis have just shown how dense you skeptics can be and your inability to rationalize anything you cannot grasp.

Everyone that has served in the military (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard) is listed in a rather large database that is available on military.com, with their name, when they were released from service (retired or just got out), and their rank when they got out.

There is no listing for this guy.

Sorry, I call foul.

Here's some interesting info on Mr. de Grand-pre... whoever he is... was it Army, Air Force or Marine Corps that he retired from?? Hmmmmm....

And his accusation about the pilot that he KNEW and INTERVIEWED about the "shoot down" over Pennsylvania is off, as he doesn't even knwo the guy's RANK! There is a world of difference between a Major and a Lieutenant Colonel. Add this to the verified fact that the guy was elsewhere when he was supposedly shooting down Flight 93, it doesn't bode well for the credibility of Mr. de Grand-Pre.

Firstly insulting those who disagree with you is not really acceptable.

Secondly when calling someone else dense it is probably a good idea to check that you have spelled their name correctly, particularly when the correct spelling is in the text you are quoting.

First of all conspiracy theorists dont believe that everyone in the government is bad and in on the conspiracy. It is a few certain elite indidviduals.

So you and Aquatis have just shown how dense you skeptics can be and your inability to rationalize anything you cannot grasp.

DGP: Okay, the book is easy to come by. My incomparable daughter Doneva is the publisher of these books and they are turning out top-grade, library quality books. Books 1, 2, and 3 ' "Barbarians Inside the Gates." They can be obtained by writing to post office box 1124, Madison, Virginia 22727. And send it in care of Grand-Pre Publishing, Ltd. And for the price of $30, you can get book 1. $30 again is book 2. And then for book 3 that just came out and it's a big book, 608 pages, we've had to up the price to $45.

AJ: Alright, these are thick books, jam-packed and the address is PO 1124, Madison, Virginia. And that zip code again'

DGP: 22727.

AJ: Alright and does that $30 include the shipping?

DGP: No, it really doesn't. For the books and we send them all out priority special handling, that's runs $3.85 a book.

AJ: Okay, got you. Alright we'll give that out again a little bit later. So let's go ahead and take some calls.

I also went to military.com and looked for that database, couldn't find it.

Here you go:-

http://search.military.com/search/people.html?lastName=

Everyone that has served in the military (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard) is listed in a rather large database that is available on military.com, with their name, when they were released from service (retired or just got out), and their rank when they got out.

There is no listing for this guy.

Sorry, I call foul.

I am now completely convinced that there is an orchestrated and well planned program to discredit the current titular rulers, even to the point of putting out "calls" for military coups d'etat.

The first one was the strange Col. Donn de Grand-Pre in a famous interview on Alex Jones. The good colonel said that there had been a meeting of pilots AT the Pentagon soon after 9/11 and that they agreed it was an inside job. This was allegedly then reported in a Portuguese paper. He said that a high percentage of the military was aware of this and was willing to make a "counter-coup".

I had a long post on this a couple of days ago, but unfortunately, I had booted into Windows to play a game and just popped in and started on this topic. Windows, being how it is, froze internet explorer midpost and I lost all of it.

But the point was that I tried to find some background on Col de Grand-Pre who claimed to be both an arms dealer under Ford and Carter and a Middle East arms negotiator under Sec. of Def. McNamara. I was unsurprised to find NO internet references to him other than that one interview and a couple of other interviews along the same lines (or reposts of the Jones interview, I didn't look at every one.)

He has two or three books and within them blames all this on "Bolshevik" infiltration of US Security infrastructure, etc. One review makes it look like Bolshevik is just another code for "Jew" but it was the review that said that....I haven't read the books.

So nothing on the good colonel, but a few OCD hours later and I did find that there is a Grandpre family in South Dakota (de Grand-Pre claims he's from North Dakota originally) and that there is, indeed, someone with the unusual first name of Donn in that family. However, the reference made it look like it was a younger person who'd interviewed his Dad about WW2 for a college project, though that interview could have been some time before.

In any event, there's also a Donn Grandpre mentioned in a VFW post listing of officers.

But that's it.

And in all the reposts of his interviews and references to him, including by the "brillian researcher" Webster Tarpley, I never saw one attempt to verify he was who he said he was. Not one.

Okay, so I'm still working on that. Actually he gave out his phone number in the Jones interview but I am debating the wisdom of calling someone like that and bringing attention to myself.

The only name I get outside of those attached to the article is "Donn Grandpre". But as I said, he seems to young.

If you do "Donn de Grand-Pre" or "Donn de Grand Pre" or "Donn de Grandpre" you get a lot of similar hits. Evidently the Portuegese article had it "Donn Grande".

Donn Grandpre was connected to this Grandpre family, but no idea if it's the same guy. The context makes him seem to young.

There is a Richard Grandpre who has written articles against Ritalin and a book on his druggie days.

Here's another reference to Donn Grandpre in South Dakota:


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Military, but doesn't seem to be our guy. Woops...yes, in fact this IS our guy. He now lives in South Dakota. The phone number listed here is the same one he gives on the Jones interview here. Exact same phone number, which suggests that, at the very least, he's taking a bit of creative license with his name, but not really trying too hard to hide if he's giving out his number.

So, this is all a bit odd. If he has the background he claims (arms dealer, arms negotiator, etc.) you'd think there would be SOMETHING else on him. But I've found nothing.

But the larger story is how this worked. He gets a story picked up, by all things, a Portueguese paper, which then filters back into the US. A typical CIA way to put a story out there. But to what purpose?

It's not as if this one guy can actually precipitate a coup so what's the deal. And now just hanging out

Unfortunately, the feature that allows you to submit questions to "Earl" on whose website the war tales transcribed by Donn are found, does not work. I just sent a "sort of" anonymous email to the owner of that site...also a Grandpre. I really don't want to call the phone number...others are welcome to...

He is possibly a campaign contributer for Pat Buchanan. Yech!
I suppose it could be another Donn Grand Pre.

http://www.newsmeat.com/campaign_contribut...000805&li=g

Everyone that has served in the military (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard) is listed in a rather large database that is available on military.com, with their name, when they were released from service (retired or just got out), and their rank when they got out.

This guy has written books and gone public saying that he was a high ranking official at the pentagon and knows some of the joint cheifs of staff. So if it were all fraudulant and completely bogus, you would tend to think that a lot of people would have called him out and exposed him by now.
But all you can muster up is a couple paragraphs by one of those "screw Loose Change" morons. (The name of their site really does give you a great picture of their childish and idiotic mindset) I have also watched their movie that "exposes" Loose Change. It is laughable to say the least.
All these dummies do is sit there and name call and accuse people of being holocaust deniers and antisemites. Its ridiculous.
The bottom line is that site makes it perfectly clear that they are overwhelmingly biased. And nobody with any credibility has attempted to discredit or expose de Grand pre.
I also went to military.com and looked for that database, couldn't find it.

http://www.infowars.com/transcripts/degranpres.htm

This Col. Donn de Grand reminded me of someone, especially when he talked about his alleged military history in the US army.

Er, that's the same link that's in the very first post of this thread.

er who bothers to go back to the original starting point of a thread each time?

I googled the colonel for a while and amidst the references to the Alex Jones interview I found a couple posts by one "Dreams End": http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuition...opicID=61.topic
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Military, but doesn't seem to be our guy. Woops...yes, in fact this IS our guy. He now lives in South Dakota. The phone number listed here is the same one he gives on the Jones interview here. Exact same phone number, which suggests that, at the very least, he's taking a bit of creative license with his name, but not really trying too hard to hide if he's giving out his number.

So, this is all a bit odd. If he has the background he claims (arms dealer, arms negotiator, etc.) you'd think there would be SOMETHING else on him. But I've found nothing.

But the larger story is how this worked. He gets a story picked up, by all things, a Portueguese paper, which then filters back into the US. A typical CIA way to put a story out there. But to what purpose?

It's not as if this one guy can actually precipitate a coup so what's the deal. And now just hanging out

Unfortunately, the feature that allows you to submit questions to "Earl" on whose website the war tales transcribed by Donn are found, does not work. I just sent a "sort of" anonymous email to the owner of that site...also a Grandpre. I really don't want to call the phone number...others are welcome to...

Also from the same thread:
The plot thickens!

Great interview with a very credible source. Says real planes were disposed of and fake drones put in their place.

Link to interview and transcript.