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Penguin888
Has anyone had any Men In Black sightings? I was reading this book and it was talking about these "Men In Black" and they show up to people who are really into trying to figure out the paranormal. It is said that if you have kids, to keep them away from learning about the paranormal/cryptozoology. The book said that some people think they are "Government Officials trying to keep secrets about the Paranormal, well, secret" and some people think they are Vampires. What do you think?

I've had one sighting and it was very scary! It was standing outside my house by my mailbox looking at me, then there was a huge flash, and it was in my Dad's truck! Then, there was another flash, and it was gone. All this time, my dogs were barking like CRAZY, and they never do that. Then, thinking it was over, closed the shades, and right after that, this shadow walked past. I peeked through the blinds again, and nothing was there. Right after the shadow walked past, my dogs stopped barking. I'm confused about what it could be.
~Onyx~
QUOTE(Penguin888 @ Aug 7 2006, 04:14 PM) [snapback]1298502[/snapback]

Has anyone had any Men In Black sightings? I was reading this book and it was talking about these "Men In Black" and they show up to people who are really into trying to figure out the paranormal. It is said that if you have kids, to keep them away from learning about the paranormal/cryptozoology. The book said that some people think they are "Government Officials trying to keep secrets about the Paranormal, well, secret" and some people think they are Vampires. What do you think?

I've had one sighting and it was very scary! It was standing outside my house by my mailbox looking at me, then there was a huge flash, and it was in my Dad's truck! Then, there was another flash, and it was gone. All this time, my dogs were barking like CRAZY, and they never do that. Then, thinking it was over, closed the shades, and right after that, this shadow walked past. I peeked through the blinds again, and nothing was there. Right after the shadow walked past, my dogs stopped barking. I'm confused about what it could be.


Are you refering to "Men in Black" in terms of Government Agents and people of that nature....or something else?.....and if so, what?
The Dark Knight 77
(MIB) The Men In Black is a secret government agency, and believe me they will stay "secret" we only know what they want us to know, if they didnt want us to have the knowledge of their existence we wouldnt, but thats about it, their work is classified of the books, even if we wanted to get info on them, it would only be a small portion, kinda like the whole seeing just the tip of the iceberg saying. We see whats unclassified or leaked by people who have actually had encounters or worked with them or been affiliated in any way. Thats about it, and i recommend another thing dont look to much into them, big brothers always watching, he doesnt like people looking too much into well the dark side of the government.

Peace 1
Spring Heeled Jack
Some people think that the M.I.B. are aliens themselves. Eye-witnesses say that their voices were coming more from their chest then their mouth.

Other characteristics include:
1 They don't have lips. Some have been known to wear lipstick to hide this fact.
2 They have stiff movement.
3 They don't know how to interact with other humans.
4 They are fascinated and confused by every-day objects.
5 They have square, angular faces.
6 They often utter unhuman phrases such as "must recharge batteries..." and sometimes virtually replay the same phrase repeatedly with the exact same tone and pitch.

Could the Men In Black be extra-terrestrials? ph34r.gif = alien.gif ?

ps

I skeched these thumbsup.gif

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~Onyx~
Look, I'm sorry...but I wouldn't get past #1 on your list before I said something to the effect of*points behind the man in black* "LOOK..AN ALIEN!!!"...if he/she/it dosen't even FLINCH.....I'm outta there.....and I'm not EVEN gonna get into #2 thru #6(must recahrge batteries?..... blink.gif )
Viracocha
QUOTE(Spring Heeled Jack @ Aug 8 2006, 10:35 AM) [snapback]1299245[/snapback]

Some people think that the M.I.B. are aliens themselves. Eye-witnesses say that their voices were coming more from their chest then their mouth.

Other characteristics include:
1 They don't have lips. Some have been known to wear lipstick to hide this fact.
2 They have stiff movement.
3 They don't know how to interact with other humans.
4 They are fascinated and confused by every-day objects.
5 They have square, angular faces.
6 They often utter unhuman phrases such as "must recharge batteries..." and sometimes virtually replay the same phrase repeatedly with the exact same tone and pitch.

Could the Men In Black be extra-terrestrials? ph34r.gif = alien.gif ?

ps

I skeched these thumbsup.gif

[attachmentid=27390]
[attachmentid=27391]



There are also witnesses that claim that these so called MIB's drive in old model cars that look brandnew. Fact is that all we have are some vague witness accounts. I think they are more likely to be just government agents that want to shut up people that have seen strange and unusual things that the government wants to keep secret, but then again we can't be sure...

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boorite
Classic MIB reports cannot possibly refer to real humans. They are bizarre.
Syntax
QUOTE(boorite @ Aug 10 2006, 09:02 AM) [snapback]1301553[/snapback]

Classic MIB reports cannot possibly refer to real humans. They are bizarre.


for real.

Gray Barker was the first person to invent the term, but it was John Keel who really wrote about the first classic MIB cases.

The early accounts truly are bizzare. There was even a case where a young woman was nearly pulled into a car by a passing man in a black suit. The other thing to note is that the cars are not always black. The earliest accounts place the MIB's in a variety of car types, although almost all of the cars are relatively old in comparison to the time they were viewed.

The skin characteristics of the early MIB cases were also clearly defined too. Most of the people seen as MIB's or in the company of them, had a deep olive skin tone with fierce black pupiled eyes. Very spanish in a appearance.

they often slurred speech, in a few varying reports they would often stop their conversations to ingest a large yellow pill.

Keel describes them as 'misguided time travellers' because they would turn up wearing clothes that were either out of date, or wasn't yet in style.

Most often in the early cases, they made no sense at all. Their actions were just truly bizzare. There are cases of people returning home from a night out to discover their house had been broken into.....and the intruder was still inside.

The intruder would take nothing of value in the house......he would just get a snapshop of the homeowners and rush quickly out the door. The description of the intruder? Deep olive skin with fierce black pupiled eyes.

haha these guys seem more like bumbling blues brothers than a secret covert hush force. tongue.gif
Kibbles
Are these cases limited in geographic scope in any way?
Syntax
QUOTE(Kibbles @ Aug 10 2006, 03:14 PM) [snapback]1301890[/snapback]

Are these cases limited in geographic scope in any way?


these are cases after large UFO Flaps in the United States....from 1966 to about 1976.
Specific geographical scope is hard to determine.

The case of the girl being almost abducted comes from Point Pleasant (Yes, home of the mothman, it was during the UFO flap of 1966), the others range from New York to San Fransisco.

I think the reason people confuse MIB activity with the government is because both Blue Book and the MIB's were active during these large flaps in the 60's and 70's. It could be the case that two completely different divisions were undertaking investigations. In one MIB case, a man identifying himself as an Air Force Captain was spotted in the area canvassing UFO witnesses. Several days later the Air Force Military Police would arrive at these homes and question the owners about the whereabouts of a man pretending to be an Air Force Captain.

The air force had no idea who this man was, or why there would be others undertaking an investigation. According to Blue Book, the amount of time spent investigating the Point Pleasant flap was practically nil....it seems the government wasn't interested in Mothman in the slightest.

Subsuquently, these homes the man visited would often recieve strange phone calls with no one on the line, except sqeels, dots and dashes.

RabidCat
Why don't I ever get to see any of these things? Couple UFOs, evidence of some weird critters, black aircraft that make no noises and fly very slow, but no MIBs.
Penguin888
QUOTE(Syntax @ Aug 9 2006, 11:34 PM) [snapback]1301906[/snapback]

The case of the girl being almost abducted comes from Point Pleasant (Yes, home of the mothman, it was during the UFO flap of 1966), the others range from New York to San Fransisco.


Thats what reminded me of the MIB, I was watching a documentry on the Moth Man, and they were talking about all the MIB that invaded the city. The one I saw was very, unhuman. Deep Skin, Dark Eyes, Just standing there, holding a briefcase. There was a flash of light, and he was sitting in my dad's truck. Another flash of light, he appeared to be gone, but then walked straight by my window (the dirrection to the door) and disappeared.
sadistic jellyfish of doom
Wow. You guys have alot of theories.
Copyright
When will ,the government just tell everyone these things exist? We can handle it, and we have a right to know.
coldethyl
QUOTE(Copyright @ Aug 24 2006, 03:13 PM) [snapback]1320502[/snapback]

When will ,the government just tell everyone these things exist? We can handle it, and we have a right to know.


But what if they DON'T exist? What will we do then???
distortedpandy
mass chaos...

*has girlie hissy fit*
Cryticman
isn't this on the wrong fourm?

Oh...
Them...
I'm really kind of scared of them. Goverment is all wacked out there holding in the truth very badly...
~Onyx~
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 25 2006, 10:05 AM) [snapback]1321437[/snapback]

But what if they DON'T exist? What will we do then???


Why...we'll INVENT them!!!....just like the ones we've ALREADY invented!!!!
cubsfan7
Spring Heeled Jack

"1 They don't have lips. Some have been known to wear lipstick to hide this fact.
2 They have stiff movement.
3 They don't know how to interact with other humans.
4 They are fascinated and confused by every-day objects.
5 They have square, angular faces.
6 They often utter unhuman phrases such as "must recharge batteries..." and sometimes virtually replay the same phrase repeatedly with the exact same tone and pitch."

-idk about alot of these ones especially #3, from wat i have heard poeple who "talk" about UFO siteings r visited by them.
-I agree with u on #2,4,and partly 6
-i have never heard of number 1 but i have heard they have thin lips which might just be lipstick
-#5 is to hard to tell because, first i have never seen one, and second i have been told they where hats to partly cover there heads which may be mis-shaped.
-I theory i have r that this "things" are clones made by aliens when abductions and mutilations occur

Some of characterists of the "classic MIB are:
1. Drive shiny,expensive, black new cars Buicks or Lincolns, sometimes Cadillacs,
2.pale-greyish skin, and that some of them have been seen to have blond hair
3.Unusual insignia have been seen emblazoned on the doors and the license plates are always unidentifiable or untraceable
4. Talk with a dull monotone voice, like a computer
5.dark-complected with high cheekbones, thin lips, pointed chin, and eyes that are mildly slanted
6.Their often mechanical behavior has caused them to be described by some as being like robots or androids
7. Also i heard of a report that after it rained a MIB walked through a field of mud to visit a house and had no trace of mud on him, There are other cases of MIB appearing on the other side of a wet, muddy field after a heavy rain, but having no mud whatever on their brightly shined shoes and in the bitter cold, out of nowhere, wearing only a thin coat. Their shoes and wallets all seem new and hardly broken in.
8.A businessman's family in Wildwood, New Jersey, was visited by an unusually large man whose pants legs hiked up when he sat down, revealing a green wire grafted onto his skin and running up his leg
9. I ave heard they are mostly assiociated with UFO's(where this story should be) and have been know to threaten people and confiscate UFO evidence from people after they have seen a UFO/aliens/or know secrets about agenices(AF,NASA,NSA,etc)

these r for the most part wat i have gathered on these strange siteings of MIB(im not gonna say people or humans cuz its not clear wat they r yet)



SOUL-DRIFTER
QUOTE(Syntax @ Aug 9 2006, 11:34 PM) [snapback]1301906[/snapback]

these are cases after large UFO Flaps in the United States....from 1966 to about 1976.
Specific geographical scope is hard to determine.

The case of the girl being almost abducted comes from Point Pleasant (Yes, home of the mothman, it was during the UFO flap of 1966), the others range from New York to San Fransisco.

I think the reason people confuse MIB activity with the government is because both Blue Book and the MIB's were active during these large flaps in the 60's and 70's. It could be the case that two completely different divisions were undertaking investigations. In one MIB case, a man identifying himself as an Air Force Captain was spotted in the area canvassing UFO witnesses. Several days later the Air Force Military Police would arrive at these homes and question the owners about the whereabouts of a man pretending to be an Air Force Captain.

The air force had no idea who this man was, or why there would be others undertaking an investigation. According to Blue Book, the amount of time spent investigating the Point Pleasant flap was practically nil....it seems the government wasn't interested in Mothman in the slightest.

Subsuquently, these homes the man visited would often recieve strange phone calls with no one on the line, except sqeels, dots and dashes.

I just wanted to also point out, that in a few cases the vehicles they were in was persued, and in one instance I know of they chased the car to a total dead end, but the vehicle vanished. They appear and diaappear just as easily on foot as well.
capoeiranger
QUOTE(cubsfan7 @ Aug 27 2006, 09:53 PM) [snapback]1323932[/snapback]

Spring Heeled Jack

"1 They don't have lips. Some have been known to wear lipstick to hide this fact.
2 They have stiff movement.
3 They don't know how to interact with other humans.
4 They are fascinated and confused by every-day objects.
5 They have square, angular faces.
6 They often utter unhuman phrases such as "must recharge batteries..." and sometimes virtually replay the same phrase repeatedly with the exact same tone and pitch."

-idk about alot of these ones especially #3, from wat i have heard poeple who "talk" about UFO siteings r visited by them.
-I agree with u on #2,4,and partly 6
-i have never heard of number 1 but i have heard they have thin lips which might just be lipstick
-#5 is to hard to tell because, first i have never seen one, and second i have been told they where hats to partly cover there heads which may be mis-shaped.
-I theory i have r that this "things" are clones made by aliens when abductions and mutilations occur

Some of characterists of the "classic MIB are:
1. Drive shiny,expensive, black new cars Buicks or Lincolns, sometimes Cadillacs,
2.pale-greyish skin, and that some of them have been seen to have blond hair
3.Unusual insignia have been seen emblazoned on the doors and the license plates are always unidentifiable or untraceable
4. Talk with a dull monotone voice, like a computer
5.dark-complected with high cheekbones, thin lips, pointed chin, and eyes that are mildly slanted
6.Their often mechanical behavior has caused them to be described by some as being like robots or androids
7. Also i heard of a report that after it rained a MIB walked through a field of mud to visit a house and had no trace of mud on him, There are other cases of MIB appearing on the other side of a wet, muddy field after a heavy rain, but having no mud whatever on their brightly shined shoes and in the bitter cold, out of nowhere, wearing only a thin coat. Their shoes and wallets all seem new and hardly broken in.
8.A businessman's family in Wildwood, New Jersey, was visited by an unusually large man whose pants legs hiked up when he sat down, revealing a green wire grafted onto his skin and running up his leg
9. I ave heard they are mostly assiociated with UFO's(where this story should be) and have been know to threaten people and confiscate UFO evidence from people after they have seen a UFO/aliens/or know secrets about agenices(AF,NASA,NSA,etc)

these r for the most part wat i have gathered on these strange siteings of MIB(im not gonna say people or humans cuz its not clear wat they r yet)


How did you manage to see their wallets?
Mothmen
Some guy was visited one time by 3 of those Men in Black. One of them ate hairgel and the other one stuck his head in the oven. Enough proof they are not from this earth? I will look for the source, i once got this from Discovery Channel.
Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here
Mr. Lazar could tell you stories that would curl your hair regarding the so called: Men In Black. I believe it's the Man, so tread carefully.
cubsfan7
QUOTE(capoeiranger @ Aug 28 2006, 12:54 AM) [snapback]1324808[/snapback]

How did you manage to see their wallets?


dontgetit.gif im just saying thats some stuff ive gathered from alien.gif research (seeing as ive never seen one blush.gif )
Pimpbot_5000
Must recharge batteries..... laugh.gif
cubsfan7
lol nice post pimpbot...i would also like to add that ppl may c wallets when they "pose" as agents of some kind and flash it
Daniella2310
Hah I didn't know some witnesses described Men in black as being "latin" in appearance. That's a new rofl.gif
kenshinx
what's latin appearance ? riding lowrider ?
~Onyx~
QUOTE(Mothmen @ Aug 28 2006, 03:54 AM) [snapback]1324887[/snapback]

Some guy was visited one time by 3 of those Men in Black. One of them ate hairgel and the other one stuck his head in the oven. Enough proof they are not from this earth? I will look for the source, i once got this from Discovery Channel.


Hahaha...if your dumb-enough to stick your head into a stove...then I'm dumb-enough to have a M.I.B.B.L.T.
Daniella2310
QUOTE(kenshinx @ Aug 29 2006, 05:55 AM) [snapback]1326305[/snapback]

what's latin appearance ? riding lowrider ?

what's riding lowrider?

sorry i meant they look of the latin ethnicity.at least thats what someone posted here.
captain pish
QUOTE(Viracocha @ Aug 9 2006, 10:13 PM) [snapback]1301523[/snapback]

There are also witnesses that claim that these so called MIB's drive in old model cars that look brandnew. Fact is that all we have are some vague witness accounts. I think they are more likely to be just government agents that want to shut up people that have seen strange and unusual things that the government wants to keep secret, but then again we can't be sure...

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HOLY CRAP! i have seen many men in black then if this is true. Just go out in your car on any given sunday and you see these men everywhere. Just last sunday i saw a mid 80s ford cortina in perfect condition being driven by an old man who didnt do anything apart from look directly ahead. How the hell can you keep a cortina in that condition? I have seen many examples of this before, they normally drive well under the speed limit perhaps not to get pulled over by the old bill. Ithink the other explanation is sunday drivers who wash and polish their old cars every other day and take it out on a sunday to do 5 or 6 miles at 23 mph in a 60 zone to piss others off!

Seriously though, how do these old gits manage to keep a mid 80s ford cortina in pristine condition without any rust or scratches and bumps? They are absolute nails and totally rust prone!!
cubsfan7
QUOTE(captain pish @ Aug 29 2006, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1326649[/snapback]


Seriously though, how do these old gits manage to keep a mid 80s ford cortina in pristine condition without any rust or scratches and bumps? They are absolute nails and totally rust prone!!


they dont drive it alot or at all
Broken Episode
I'm brand new to this website, but im intrigued by a lot of the posts, they are very interesting, espeicaly this one.

I'v heard about the men in black, how they randomly show up if they think you know too much, and they will go to every extreme to make sure that information does not get out, so youve really got to think, How much do you trust the goverment these days? Its far more powerful then it was intended to be.

But when it comes down to it, if the men in black are proven to be real, that means there is something or are many things that the goverment does not want us to know.
~Onyx~
QUOTE(Broken Episode @ Oct 16 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]1392201[/snapback]

I'm brand new to this website, but im intrigued by a lot of the posts, they are very interesting, espeicaly this one.

I'v heard about the men in black, how they randomly show up if they think you know too much, and they will go to every extreme to make sure that information does not get out, so youve really got to think, How much do you trust the goverment these days? Its far more powerful then it was intended to be.

But when it comes down to it, if the men in black are proven to be real, that means there is something or are many things that the goverment does not want us to know.


Welcome to UM!!! There is probably SO MUCH that the government dosen't want us to know, that they're probably not sure how much they've invested on what they don't want us to know, ya know?.................... blink.gif ............what the hell did I just say?
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 25 2006, 07:05 AM) [snapback]1321437[/snapback]

But what if they DON'T exist? What will we do then???

The world will end in a huge explosion because the govenment tried to create a reality paradox.
user posted image
Great. Look what you did.
~Onyx~
QUOTE(sadistic jellyfish of doom @ Oct 16 2006, 01:44 PM) [snapback]1392244[/snapback]

The world will end in a huge explosion because the govenment tried to create a reality paradox.
BOOOM!
Great. Look what you did.


You're not supposed to know that..........you'll be gettin a visit for sure, lol.
QueenOftheCramped
QUOTE(Penguin888 @ Aug 7 2006, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1298502[/snapback]

Has anyone had any Men In Black sightings? I was reading this book and it was talking about these "Men In Black" and they show up to people who are really into trying to figure out the paranormal. It is said that if you have kids, to keep them away from learning about the paranormal/cryptozoology. The book said that some people think they are "Government Officials trying to keep secrets about the Paranormal, well, secret" and some people think they are Vampires. What do you think?

I've had one sighting and it was very scary! It was standing outside my house by my mailbox looking at me, then there was a huge flash, and it was in my Dad's truck! Then, there was another flash, and it was gone. All this time, my dogs were barking like CRAZY, and they never do that. Then, thinking it was over, closed the shades, and right after that, this shadow walked past. I peeked through the blinds again, and nothing was there. Right after the shadow walked past, my dogs stopped barking. I'm confused about what it could be.


Penguin,

Could you give us some more info on this sighting? Like, when it happened, time of day, where (I understand that you want to remain anonymous, but at least country or area?) time of year, etc. I don't want to doubt your sincerity, but have you tried to come up with other explanations? For example (Please don't be offended!): were you under 'the influence' of something; were you very tired; were you distracted by something/someone & might have looked away for a split second? Any idea why they would be interested in you? Your family, etc? Why would it want to sit in your truck?
~Onyx~
QUOTE(QueenOftheCramped @ Oct 16 2006, 01:49 PM) [snapback]1392248[/snapback]

Penguin,

Could you give us some more info on this sighting? Like, when it happened, time of day, where (I understand that you want to remain anonymous, but at least country or area?) time of year, etc. I don't want to doubt your sincerity, but have you tried to come up with other explanations? For example (Please don't be offended!): were you under 'the influence' of something; were you very tired; were you distracted by something/someone & might have looked away for a split second? Any idea why they would be interested in you? Your family, etc? Why would it want to sit in your truck?


Haven't heard from Penguin for some time on this subject, and I sincerely doubt that you will.
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Oct 16 2006, 10:46 AM) [snapback]1392245[/snapback]

You're not supposed to know that..........you'll be gettin a visit for sure, lol.

laugh.gif
Good to see you.
coldethyl
QUOTE(sadistic jellyfish of doom @ Oct 16 2006, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1392244[/snapback]

The world will end in a huge explosion because the govenment tried to create a reality paradox.
<img src='http://vega.soi.city.ac.uk/~abbf806/redpolitix/explosion 22.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Great. Look what you did.


Oopsie.
QueenOftheCramped
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Oct 16 2006, 06:53 PM) [snapback]1392259[/snapback]

Haven't heard from Penguin for some time on this subject, and I sincerely doubt that you will.


Shame sad.gif You think they got him?? grin2.gif
Ryo Ohki
They sound kind of autistic.
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ Oct 16 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1392341[/snapback]

They sound kind of autistic.

laugh.gif LOL, I actually have a small degree of autisim called Aspergers' Syndrome.
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Oct 16 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]1392322[/snapback]

Oopsie.

This is all your fault!
tongue.gif
Ryo Ohki
I have Aspergers Syndrome too. Thats why I said they sound autistic. ohmy.gif
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ Oct 16 2006, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1392426[/snapback]

I have Aspergers Syndrome. Thats why I said they sound autistic. ohmy.gif

Oh. happy.gif Okay.
FallingDown
This is my first post so hi

This isn't what I believe but definitely a possibility, inspired by SJOD's post.

Considering the government controls 99% of the media is it not possible that they create these accounts to strike fear into the public?
Control through fear?
Maybe using these M.I.B myths to deter people from researching into UFO's/Alien lifeforms.


Just an idea.
openmind1963
maybe somebody took some really good drugs and saw an awesome hallucination of what they perecieved as the men in black!why are there no pictures of them???
then again,maybe it was just keith richards after he fell out of a coconut tree!
TheSteelCat
I red something about people being followed by unmarked black helicopters, and stories about the government taking people who know to much, or have evidence of Crptozoolic/Alien things. But I always wonder why they would want to cover something like that up.
Jewels1958
This may or may not be considered a sighting. I lived for 13 years out in the countryside almost at the end of a bombing range here in Nevada (no not area 51 tongue.gif Northern nv, home of Top Gun actually). One day my daughter came to see me and said as she was driving up the road, she saw 3 identical black suburbans (sp?) with heavily tinted windows (she couldn't see the driver at all) pulling identical black trailers (u-haul type). They were coming down out of the area I lived in (I lived 7 miles in, but the roads went on for miles back into the hills). It was just odd, as nothing is really out there and the road was a virtually ungraded, rocky vehicle killing stretch of nastiness.

She also said she saw a UFO one morning (this was several years earlier) on the way to the bus stop (at the end of that 7 miles of road, lol). she said it was triangle shaped with a flashing red lit corner (tail?). It was gone before my husband saw it. This was before the stealths became public knowledge, so it could have been one of those flying out of the Navy base here, but the description seems just a bit off. btw the daughter was in junior high I believe at the time, so certainly knew what the jets looked like as they buzzed our house all the time....damn them. lol

edited for speelling wink2.gif
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