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NEITHER DID BUILDING 7, HI, GET ANOTHER CLUE
They are biased and are controlled by the people who perpetrated 9/11, just like Popular Mechanics.
You mean like the 9/11 Commission and the Popular Science/Mechanics?
Building 7 was brought down with explosives, I don't get where you got the idea I thought it was brought down by fire. If you honestly think a steel skyscraper will collapse into its own footprint in a free fall collapse from "falling debris" then for you to say this line,"instead I will put my faith in people with no education or experience in fire fighting techniques, structural engineering, and in many cases seemingly no common sense." has GOT TO BE the ultimate irony.
I don't ever remember saying this but way to take ONE MAN's theories(David Ickes') and associate them with everyone else. If that isn't ignorance then I don't know what is.
Just to be straight, you're saying that WTC7 did NOT have a huge (20 storey) hole in its south side
and you're saying it sustained minimal damage? Did I get that right? All that giant text is so confusing.
Well then, you just called the NY Fire Chief, Daniel Nigro, a liar:
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"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building’s integrity was in serious doubt.” [Fire Engineering, 10/2002]
This firefighter is also a liar, according to your completely unsupported theory:
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"Firehouse: Did that chief give an assignment to go to building 7?
Boyle: He gave out an assignment. I didn’t know exactly what it was, but he told the chief that we were heading down to the site.
Firehouse: How many companies?
Boyle: There were four engines and at least three trucks. So we’re heading east on Vesey, we couldn’t see much past Broadway. We couldn’t see Church Street. We couldn’t see what was down there. It was really smoky and dusty."
"A little north of Vesey I said, we’ll go down, let’s see what’s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see. So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down."
Remember these guys had just gone through having several of their comrades die in the towers, and they were actually willing to go into a building that they knew was going to collapse hours later. And here you are, claiming they're making up these stories. Maybe you don't understand the gravity of the words you say, but to sit back and take the words of conspiracy nutcases over the words of the actual heroes that were there that day is downright despicable.
And I have more quotes from firefighters that saw the extensive damage on the south side of WTC7, if you want to see them. What do you have? Absolutely nothing.