Trinity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXz_oYJJlg0...ted&search=

Do Muslims Believe in Jesus Christ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSyXkmRVs3E...ted&search=

Bible Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCvZsySqPZY...ted&search=

Was Islam spread by the Sword?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMUoFPOk4Y...ted&search=

The World Is Flat According to the Bible !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0cnEYa3ko...ted&search=

And 2 end this topic i quote the holly Quran

"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." 4:171

quite a primitive understanding of the trinity, both for the woman who asked the question and the man answering.

Interesting muslim,

But let me ask you a couple of questions:

1. Would you believe what a Christian said about the errors and hateful speech in the Quran?

2. If a Christian pointed out that Muhammed was a known criminal in his time would you accept that?

Why or why not?

As to the Bible Test, I'm sure the Christians who were at this conference that was taped only to show the Muslim speakers probably quickly pointed out that the scripture was not originally broken into verses. (There is still discussion about that in the Christian community) 2 Timothy 3:16 says "All Scripture...." It does not say every individual verse or word in itself. It says Scripture. If you take each letter or book as a whole it is "...for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

About the flat Earth error in the Bible: I am sure the Christians who responded, but were not filmed explained that in the Book of Daniel, Daniel was talking about a DREAM. Do your dreams make sense in the light of the real world? The dream was prophetic and God used all the allegory that is present in even our dreams to show Daniel something.

In Luke 4:5 it says that the devil took him up to a "high place" it doesn't say mountain and "in an instant showed him all the kingdoms of the earth." It sounds more like the devil took Jesus to a great height and flew him around the Earth. You can do that from the "high place" in Earth orbit.

Job 26:7
7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22

Now, we keep hearing how the Islam is a religion of peace taking it's name from a word that means peace, right? So what do these verses mean?

Quran:

1 Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

2 Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

3 War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

4 If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

5 Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123


I'm sure they are taken out of context. Please explain the context.

Exodus 22:20
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.



Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

contradictions in the Bible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjP3vkqeiqM...ted&search=


yes indeed inshala i will (God willing) . add me on obo_s3ood@hotmail.com and well talk on msn and ill explain further more to u or if u want you can just get all your questions about Islam and berses and so on and email them 2 me and ill answer every single thing and show u u were mistaken.. and most importantly Jamson most non Muslims do not know the fact that for the Holly Quran there is something called "tafseer". This "tafseer" or interpretation was written down at the same time that the Quran was which explained all the verses WITH there history. You see there are many verses in the Quran which only apply to the time they were revaled upon Mohammed (which many non Muslims dont know). With this tafseer, you have the history of the verses. What was going on at the time that these verses were revaled and so on.
for now heres a video wwhich most likely will have answers 2 most of ur questions :
http://www.watchislam.com/videos/video.php?vid=77

and here is another called "does Islam = terrorism>"
http://www.watchislam.com/videos/video.php?vid=13

and heres another on Islam and Terrorism
http://www.watchislam.com/videos/video.php?vid=44

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3

Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4

He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7

Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8

He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9

Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.

"...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind"
(Surah Al-Maaida 5:32)

I've only had a chance to look at the first video you've provided. I was hoping that there'd be a Chrsitian's perspective after that. A Christian who could stand up and offer counter-testimony and put their side of the story forward. As it was, there was the Muslim who stood up, said his peace, received thunderous applause, then the video ended. It reminds me of a Chrsitian conference where the arch-bishop might stand up and give a similar speech, receive thunderous applause from the audience. The first to speak always sounds right, until his adversary stands up to argue.

That said, while being the closest to scientific explanation for the Trinity (that I've found), the water/steam/ice metaphor still lacks. This would imply that God simply morphs itself into whatever form best fits the scenario, which is not the case, since all three parts exist simultaneously together, yet simultaneously separate. There is simply no way to completely describe the concept of the 3-in-1 God in human terms.

Regards, PA

So, does the Muslim Community condemn Hezbollah for the rocket attacks on Israel? Does Islam condemn the suicide bombers that blow up buses full of Israeli school kids?

I may not be listening to the proper newscasts, but it seems that at best the Muslim community is very quiet on this subject and at worst it's extremely supportive of it.

As a Christian, I condemn all the horrible atrocities that have been committed by people claiming to do it in God's name. When I speak to Muslims about this, I never get a straight answer. There is no, "Yes, absolutely I condemn these acts." The best I have gotten is, "These people do not represent true Islam," but when I attempt to get a more decisive answer, I don't get anywhere. Why?

Didnt mohamamad marry a 9 or 12 yr old girl, umm thats almost like perverted rape, i also know mo said that he would ressurect after his death, the only thing that came out of that where maggots outa his body.

I wish all religions and their peoples would agree that they all could be wrong(wishful thinking ), and that quibbling over insignificant details such as this does nothing to provide hope and peace for the individual believer. All it does is spawn arguments and hatred towards any differing view, when no one has a clue what the ultimate truth is, NO ONE. To constantly bicker over words in books written by men is asinine.

I wish I could have as much cholocate cake as I want and not gain weight, but that's not going to happen either, until the Millenial reign of Christ.

And when will that be?

Muslim, here you are, back again, making bold claims. Why? You screamed and ran the last time you were bombarded with questions. I'm still waiting for an answer here:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry1256916

Going to cut and run again?!

Sean

Second Tuesday of next week.

Really!? Then bring on the second-coming, followed by an Olympic pool full of cheesecake! I'll dive right in and munch my way to the deep end. (A blessing of blueberry topping or chocolate whipped cream here and there would be mucho appreciated-o, as well. *Looks at hips as they say:* "Noooooo!"

Must be atheists.

Dang it! That was a lucky guess.

Get 'em sean!
Let's see, how many questions can I answer without watching the videos.
Trinity?
Nope, not for Islam. Allah's ego is bigger than Oprah's a$$, absolutely no room for anyone else.
Do Muslims believe in Jesus Christ?
As a prophet. They also believe some pretty goofy stuff about his momma.
Bible Test
I have no idea what this means. Maybe something about which is the best way to get a Muslim to come to their senses: hitting them about the head and shoulders with a Bible or braining them with a history book?
Was Islam spread by the Sword?
Yup.
Oh wait, all those people were just magically struck down by Allah. My bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
The World Is Flat According to the Bible !
Insanity is OK by Allah ! Here's a bomb, the 73 1/8th virgins are waiting for you !


I don't know how many times this guy can get ripped, but I would sure like to watch. He's not here to create discussion he is here to preach. Most of the explanations I have heard from Muslims having to do with aspects of their religion sound like some desert tribesman explaining trying to explain things they don't understand. Could it be that Islam really is just Arabian mythology mixed with whispers of Christianity and Judaism?
Mohammed was a merchant, he had to heard of Christianity and Judaism, heard missionaries and rabbis. Could it be that he saw the growth of Christianity and was struck with a little twinge of jealousy at people that seemed to live free and happy while old Mo huddled with his wives goats? Could it be that he went out in the desert one day and was struck by an epiphany? He wouldn't join the Christians, he would start his own church! Sunbaked and hallucinating more than a little, he staggered back into town and began preaching a mixture of remembered Christian sermons and the mythology he learned at his Daddy's knee. And lunacy was born.

I'm not trying to be facetious. I honestly think that was the motivation for the creation of Islam. Mo was looking to give his people a religious identity. The Jews had their Judaism, the Mediterranean people had Christianity and the Arabians had...a lose conglomeration of gods, djinn and spirits. As a merchant he would have had more than enough contact with Jews ans Christians to gain enough knowledge of their belief to have a basis for his new religion: Islam, the worship of the goddess Allāt.
Whoops, did I say all that out loud?

Unfortunately for all those of you who may have been slobbering over the rooms full of goodies you will scarf down during the Millenial reign, I really wrote that sentence very sloppily.

What I should have said is that I expect that religious based warfare and strife will not end until everyone sees Jesus reigning.

I apologize for raising everyone hopes.

Hey, Never_Hit_Nirvana, I'm a Christian and I am questioning what Muslim is saying, but I really don't appreciate the unecessarily insulting way in which you have approached this thread. Go ahead and question his beliefs, post your beliefs/opinions, and/or point out whatever fallacies you see, but do it without being insulting.

You know DK.....I agree 100%


Did you know the Christian Bible has an......incidence where there are several thousand cases of this "perverted" behavior.

Well Muslim,

Probably not the best time to post such a controversial thread given the state of the UK's security right now, MI5 saying an attack is imminent etc (great eh?).... don't think your words are going to fall on many sympathetic ears.... especially not mine given that i work in Central London and we're all waiting for the next explosion....so quit with that bull!!!!

Troublemaking pumper!!! See you've done a runner anyway .... good move!!

Well said NIH! Muslim needs a little shot across the bow after his poor behavior the last time around. Muslim came here, posted all of his bold claims that his religion was the one true religion etc., and when tough questions were asked, he got VERY upset and ran for it.

If you're going to make an argument for something--particularly in a forum such as this--be prepared to defend it. I certainly do--even though I know full-well that I'm going to take shots from all sides.

Sean

Amen S23!

Sorry if I seem to be getting a bit heated, but I do get fired up when it comes to this!!!! I stand by everything I said tho, as un-pc as it may be.

Alright people, back away if the subject of Muslim faith is getting you hot under the collar.

Your free to your own opinions, but please keep things civil.... This is a place that is here for friendly discussions about faith.. rather then bashing someone who follows a certain faith...

Well i'm sorry but isn't bashing another faith what the OP has done by even starting this thread??? Why let people use this forum as a way to preach their fanaticism ..... maybe that should be kept in check too??

I ... think I love you.

He started this thread in the correct area for discussing his religion. In that all religions are different... of course they will contradict one and other, this is not bashing but rather a way of trying to convey why you believe certain things, and proof to back you up.

Now since this thread was started based on muslim religion, obviously its not going to favour other religions in the slightest. He is entitled to do so, just as much as a christian can start a thread in this section about how their religion is the one, and reasons they believe.

I hear you...but.....

The OP has set out to gloat over how great muslims are and how wrong christians are by posting a bunch of pro muslim vids but nothing to provide a christian view on the subject for it to be a fair evaluation - and I'm not christian, so don't get me wrong, I'M not here to preach either!!!!

There's a word for the content of his post....PROPOGANDA!

To sum up, I don't believe it deserves space on the forum, I think it's pretty poor taste to be honest.... but sadly it's not up to me, so I'm just going to agree to disagree with you on that one... as I'm sure a few others will too! But i won't post on this subject again!

*stomps out and slams door*

Sadly you seem to be under the impression that I am following his point of view, or even agree with him. I would argue that what could be considered propaganda in this case is the same for ALL organised religions. If someone comes here to further discuss their knowledge and beliefs, thats their call.... If he wants to start a thread which backs up his own faith... in a section that is to discuss his own faith.... that is all well and good. I do not find this preachy, I find it using the same rules and regulations as every christian/buddhist/zionist or other who has posted in this forum has followed, and can't see why this is any different to the other posts in this section.

Anyhow, this is enough on this... back on the topic at hand.

hmm

I can see where there are some contradictions in the bible. I have read on that myself.. but correct me if im wrong but there ar esome contractions in the quran as well..

Internal Contradictions:

1. Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.
2. Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.
3. Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
4. Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
5. Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.
6. What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
7. Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].
8. Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
9. 'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
10. To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
11. Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.
12. How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?
13. And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
14. How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
15. Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
16. How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]
17. Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.
18. Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
19. Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
20. Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
21. What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
22. Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur'an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.
23. Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: ... nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.
24. To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.
25. Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].
26. The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
27. Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].
28. How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
29. Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
30. Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
31. Is everything devoutly obedient to Allah? That is the claim in 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
32. Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
33. The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
34. Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49]
35. Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].
36. Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
37. How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].
38. Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].
39. Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
40. The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
41. Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.
42. Should Jews and Christians follow the Bible or the Quran?
43. "An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
44. More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
45. The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
46. Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").
47. What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
48. Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.
49. Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?
50. Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.
51. Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
52. Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?
53. What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?
54. Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.
55. Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
56. God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]
57. Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
58. When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?
59. When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
60. Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?
61. Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].
62. Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].
63. Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.
64. Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.
65. Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.
66. Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.
67. Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].
68. Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.
69. Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.
70. Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.
71. Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).
72. One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.
73. From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
74. Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].
75. Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.
76. Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].
77. Another eleven contradictions...

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

by point being.. is it really important if little petty things are contradicted? The Islamic faith, the Judasism faith and the Christian faith all agree on alot of the major concepts. The little iity bitty things dont really matter.. who cares if Adams and Eves name was Adam or Eve or lsdfjsldf and kjewoir the Bible, The Torah, and The Quran were all meant to explaion.. to give a message.. to tell a true story.. who cares if the guy was 22 or 42 years old when he did whatever.. THe important message of the story is whatever he did. The Holy Books were meant to be a message. Religion itself was meant to be a tool.. just a tool to connect with God. Religion should not be necessary become one with God - to connect with God. Just a tool to help you do so.

So, does the Muslim Community condemn Hezbollah for the rocket attacks on Israel? Does Islam condemn the suicide bombers that blow up buses full of Israeli school kids?
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As for that its became a mixture of politics and of relegion. As for Hezbollah, some do and some dont. The ones that do say that its because hes trying to free the Hezbollah prisoners abducted by Israel. (keep in mind im not siding with anyone). As for the ones that dont, they say whos Hezbollah to go face a country?

the suicide bombers that blow up buses full of Israeli school kids?
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As for the suicide bombers who kill kids, thats wrong. You cant kill a kid delibrately in Islam. So why do they do it? The way they look at it is "an eye for an eye" what they say is (again not siding just showing you how they think thats it) is that well yeah we know were not allowed to kill kids, but our relegion just like most relegions says "an eye for an eye" so when they attack us and kill our kids even if it was by mistake, what are we supposed to do? Dosnt the father of a murdered child want revenge? Personally I dont agree with them cause that way it will just never stop and the kids are the victims.

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And as for Didnt mohamamad marry a 9 or 12 yr old girl, umm thats almost like perverted rape.

First of all child brides were at that time common among Byzantine emperors and nobility. Also, the average life span of the Arabs was very short ranging from a 40- to a maximum sixty. She was 12 years old. And even according to the Bible
Moses' Commands for pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls do count against the Bible!

As shown in the quotes below:
"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."

"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."

"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."
visit http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm for the complete article.

Also: According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

Meaning that this was very common in the days before and we cant actually compare ppl today with ppl before.

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Mohammed never said he would come back after his death he said he was only human who lives and dies normally. He did however say thay Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) would in fact return.

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And as for SeanP, i missed you lately and about the hijackings, i dont know which ones ur talking about so ill assume ur speaking generally. Sudia Arabia in fact did condemn Hizbollahs acts against Israel and did say that it didnt have the right to do so. Even Sudia Arabias Mufti (largest relegiouse Imam) issued a Fatwa against Hizbollah saying you shouldnt support Hizbollah. And about the verses of the Holly Quran YOU MISUNDERSTOOD visit this site with clearification of many verses in the holly Quran

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?...=Misconceptions

AS FOR THE CONTRADICTIONS SUCH YOU CLAIm, IN THE QURAN GODS SERVAnt, THERE ARE NONE AND HERE YOU CAN SEE FOR URSELF http://www.answering-christianity.com/bass...en_rebuttal.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bapt...htm#sea_animals

and for general info www.answering-christianity.com

No different that a Christian doing the same....so what is the problem?




Bye Bye....



Just as there is contradictions in the Bible there ARE contradictions in the Quran.

As I told Samantha.....no difference.

Thankyou samantha

Coming into this late, but the only ocmments that need be made is; when copying two other mythologies, all you end up with is another mythology! Abraham's three bloody children have pertetrated more evil, pain, suffering and harm than any ot those religions before, contemporary with, or following them! When one worships a vengeful blood-thirsty god as Abraham and his three children do, what else can you expect? Look at the present mess in the world, 98% of it can be attributed to them!~

The following sites are from Ex-Musllims who had the courage to flee islam ...

Faith Freedom
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles.htm

Links to other Islam sites
http://www.faithfreedom.org/links.htm

Sean

Insulting, huh?
Explain what was insulting, please.
Excuse me for being a trifle sarcastic, but like Sean said, he only posts to pump his faith. A reasonable discussion on Islam, I have no problem with that. But this is just ridiculous.

after I saw that movie...I will rather be cristian (im not) than muslim, no doub about that

"Let's see, how many questions can I answer without watching the videos.
Trinity?
Nope, not for Islam. Allah's ego is bigger than Oprah's a$$, absolutely no room for anyone else.
Do Muslims believe in Jesus Christ?
As a prophet. They also believe some pretty goofy stuff about his momma.
Bible Test
I have no idea what this means. Maybe something about which is the best way to get a Muslim to come to their senses: hitting them about the head and shoulders with a Bible or braining them with a history book?"


That was unnecessarily insulting.

Hey, if someone came in here and made comments like that about satanism, atheism, etc. I would consider them insulting and I bet everyone else on this site would jump down your throat; just because they are made about Islam or Christianity, they should not be accepted either.

You can take that as insulting, if you're ~edit: unnecessary comment removed, PA~ and touchy, or you can take it for what it is: levity, with a few answers mixed in.

So, whose religion is the best?

Judaism - did not kill anyone. Jews, however, killed millions of atheists, heretics, christians, moslems, children, other Jews and the list is to long, all in the name of God.

Christianity - did not kill anyone. Christians, however killed millions of atheists, heretics, jews, moslems, other christians, children and the list is to long, all in the name of God.

Islam - did not kill anyone. Moslems, however, killed millinos of atheist, heretics, jews, christians, other moslem, children and the list is to long, all in the name of God.

Atheism - did not kill anyone. Atheists, however, killed millions of Jews, Christians, Moslems, heretics, children, other Atheists and the list is to long, all in the name against God.

Seanph, clean up in your own backyard, before cleaning your neighbours.
Seanph, there is nothing wrong about religion, but there is a lot of wrong with people like you in every religion.

Tell me, where is the difference between a islamic, jewich, christian or any other fanatic.
Aren't you spreding here an supermacist propaganda? At least that is what I can understand from your posts.

You forgot one:

Deists - did not kill anyone. Deist on the other hand actually did not kill anyone. oo sorry odas, but my backyard is clean - How about yours?

Hi Mako,

Yes, I have to clean up my backyard too. At least I am aware of that.

Can you please tell me what you're talking about?! Where did I say such a thing? And what religion am I? Atheism is not a religion ... it is a simple lack of theism.



WHAT?! You might try reading my posts before making such comments. I have gone out of my way to respectful and kind--save to anti-Semites. Yes, some debates have gotten heated, but they certainly do not match your claims of supermacist propaganda! Where in blue blazes did you get such an idea?!

Kindly,

Sean

Sorry for posting this again, but I have yet to receive an answer from our Muslim members ...

For whomever stated that Islam was a religion of peace, please answer the following:

So where is the outrage in the Muslim world about terrorism? Why aren't Muslims marching in the streets, protesting the "hijacking" of their religion by fanatics?

Those are your question, Seanph, right?

Now my question to you. Where was the outrage in the christian world when German Christians killed six million jews and another two million gays and gypsies?
Do you think that WWll was fought because of that?

Where was the outrage in the Christian world when White Christians killed over ten million american natives, when white Christians raped, killed tortured every black skinned person?

And there is lots more.

What do yo want me to do? Do you want ME to appologise for something that another moslem did? Why is it that only the moslems have to apologise and noone else?
Yes, moslems do mistakes, like everybody else. They have killed and tortured, but they did not do anything different then what Christians have done. And NO, this is no excuse for their behavior, but you cannot treat every moslem as a terorist.