http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL8yc0gwAyI

will u go there and tell me where the plane is?

I keep looking for it but I can't find it....Can someone please for the love of God, show me a plane...

I sincerely doubt you would be able to see it from a security cam. Those things film way too slow to catch something moving as fast as a jet plane.

I actually think a Global Hawk Drone hit the Pentagon.

Would that have the penetrating power to do it? The things only about four tons, and most of that aluminum.

There was also a missile used as the hole seen in the pentagon is EXACTLY like the destruction seen in many other pictures of buildings hit with missiles. There is NO other explanation possible other than the use of some type of missile when looking at the damage. A boeing 757 would have left an unbelievable amount of mess with debris all over the place(and not just little scraps as was seen). And a drone alone could not have caused that much damage unless it was rigged with explosives but even that doesn't explain some of the damage so it was most likely a combination of the drone and a missile.

Missile? Launched from where? Why not just hit it with a missile and no more plane drama with it? Same thing anyway, just blame the terrorist, right?
Like I said, you think United Airlines is involve here since it is their plane?

It wasn't their plane. Not a single plane was from United Airlines(except 93). The planes that flew into the towers were military boeings that were capable of fully automated flight by remote control and had no one on board.



Launched from where is a good question. Why not just hit it with a missle? Well the answer is the same one as the reason why they didn't just hit the demolition charges on the WTC towers. They REQUIRED a diversionary tactic, a smoke screen if you will. If the buildings collapsed out of the blue that would just be laughably obvious which is why they had planes crash into them first because then they could say "Well the planes caused the collapse, duh!". Which if you had even an ounce of brain power, would realize that's impossible since even the buildings own makers said they built those towers to withstand MULTIPLE DIRECT PLANE HITS, aside from it being a physical impossibility to begin with.

Same goes for the missile, the drone or whatever was just a diversionary tactic. They realize how dumb and easily fooled the American public is(as can be readily seen by the posts of many members on this site) so they threw in a little flair and watched as the idiots trip over themselves.

^ I fear for the future with people like you around...

One other thing, doesn't the Pentagon have a security system where missles are sent when something is heading towards the Pentagon to destroy the target? Why was it turned off?

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Its all a bit too convient if you ask me.. the Pentagon allowing to be hit like that..

Thing I find funny is


The pentagon is the main headquarters of our defense department...

It's the TOP of the chain before the white house....


And yet......

Theres only 1 camera to watch that entire side of the pentagon....

LAWL

Lol, I saw a small video that showed that their is at least 5 cameras postioned in the direction, that the plane was coming from. Also I believe there was a hotel (Sheraton) that had a camera pointed towards the Pentagon. FBI took it and claimed that it didn't anything.

OH yea! How about the gas station that also had a camera pointing towards the Pentagon. All these cameras, and we are supposed to believe only one camera shows the impact....of "something"

At the time of the attacks there were no anti-aircraft measure installed at the Pentagon. This is because it is along the approach flightpath to Reagon International airport. The last thing the military wants is to pull a stunt like China did and shoot down a civilian aircraft that drifts off course.

- Yeah, launched from where? You don't know ,right?
- So, United Airlines is just playing along or just ignoring the claim it was their plane?
- Why need a diversion, just hit it and blame the Terrorist, much simplier. The more complicated the harder to explain, right?
- The American public are not dumb, they don't buy into your idiotic conspiracy as proof!

I never hear the pentagon as being protected by SAM or any Patriot Anti Missile????

I agree with AROCES

Simple, after the towers were hit send a video circling with some Jihadesque masked villian threatening to rain the fury of Allah on your headquarters and then fwammo the Pentagon gets hit with a missle. DONE.

The security camera jumps like a huge chunk of time went by.

Also if you are so sure its not an airplane and its a missle well then where is the missle?

Anyone else see the obvious comedy within the first six words?

Anyways, yes they don't buy into my "idiotic conspiracies" as proof rather they do as the government wants them and has brain washed them to do and instead buy into the governments idiotic conspiracy theories. They have people like you who blindly support them and their atrocious acts of terrorism and murder while people like you remain apathetic and even supportive of their cause. All as you sit there and watch as you allow them to rape your children, your land and your health while killing innocent people in cold blood in the name of the nation that represents you and me.



I can take a wild guess and say that you live in the US and are most likely in high school.

Are you really serious with that question? How about this. If you believe a plane hit the Pentagon well then WHERE IS THE PLANE? Your side can't even find a huge plane that they claim flew into the Pentagon or any of the seats, luggage or bodies from the plane.

Also, considering the massive clean up job they had dozens of people doing(and the blue tarp covering a rather large hidden object that was NEVER seen by the public), do you honestly think they would report evidence that exposes their operation? That would be like OJ handing over the weapon he killed his wife with. Are you really this dense?



I mourn for those of you who I fear will never become worthy of the brains and lives they were given.

To rape our children, land and health??? I guess it will be hard to explain then why millions of legal and illegal immigrants come into the US so their children and land can be raped?.

A wild guess is all you have actually. Tell me, is United Airlines asking the same question, Where is our plane???

again.........where is the missle?

Where is the plane?

Plane is wrecked into pieces and its' with the Transportation Safety Board.
They have pieces of planes not missile. Like I said, go after America Airlines then for not saying anything about them being use as a decoy.

I think that it was an airplane but, I od wonder why the U.S. government never released any other video footage. At the very least, keeping all the film under wraps does kind of make it look a little fishy.

a LITTLE fishy? Are you serious?

"Hey! We have the video tapes that could completely prove the things we say that we took from our own camera's and ones confiscated from the gas station across the street. But rather than prove our side of the story by releasing these tapes, we'll just hide them in a vault somewhere because we're not trying to hide anything if that's what you're thinking!"

How about this. Let's say someone very close to you was killed in a store with camera's all over the place and the video can prove beyond all doubt who the killer really was but for some reason the police or whoever says you aren't allowed to see the tape and instead you were told the killer was "some arab guy". I wonder what your reaction would be. Actually I don't need to wonder because I already know what it would go like.

"What do you mean I can't look at the tape? THAT PERSON KILLED MY BROTHER AND I CAN'T LOOK AT THE TAPE??!??!!!?!?!" Actually, if you're completely ignorant and naive you'd probably say something like "An arab guy? Really? I HATE ARAB PEOPLE!!"

You'd probably flip out or atleast be steamingly mad and would probably think they are covering something up and might even be the person responsible for your loved ones death. This should be your reaction to an event which our government claims was pulled off by people we are currently massacring in retaliation to something these people had absolutely nothing to do with. Not only that but the people telling us(our military) to kill innocent people are also the ones who committed the act that lead us to our vengeance in the first place.

I hope you rest easily at night with the thoughts that you can't even be bothered to investigate the truth to an event that has been used as a means for war and death in the name of the country you live in and represents you. And not only that but you shrug off something that overwhelmingly points towards government complicity as "a little fishy".

**Pbaroso, please read the PM I am sending you**

Most of the footage was being held for use in trial. The latest footage that was released was released when that trial was over. The gas station and hotel videos however do not belong to the government and are not their property to release or not release. When the gov is done with them, they should be returned to the places of business where they were shot and those places of businesses can do what they want with them.

Because it's not their job to convince the public that a plane hit the Pentagon. Thank God, because they certainly have more impertant things to do than try to disprove people's ludicrous conspiracy theories. It's an ongoing investigation, hence the sealed documents. These things take time.

And as far as all the other cameras at places of business around the Pentagon - do you think maybe those cameras were probably pointed at those places of business rather than the Pentagon? Why would it make sense for the Amaco station to install a camera and point it away from the station?

That's what I was thinking. A camera at a gas station is usually used to prosecute drive-offs. If it is instead pointed at a building across the street it would be useless in its intended purpose. Add to that the fact that many security cameras are shot at low frame rates (1 or 2 frames per second) and I'm not sure you'd see a fast moving plane at all.

So a missile was fired from some unknown location, and little lightning-quick gnomes sprinkled bits of airplane all over the front lawn and inside the Pentagon to divert us? Seems plausible.

You THINK it was a plane??? Anybody then tell me what happened and where did American Airlines Flight 77 go???

You know why they won't show it to you? Because even if they do show it to you, if what you see or what is on the tape don't go in your favor or is not what you hope you would see. Then you would say the same thing, that it is a fake, hoax or been altered!

I agree that the CTer would definitely react this way, but the reason they won't release it to the public is because it's not the job of the government to engage in the debunking of conspiracy theories, and it's an ongoing investigation.

I think we've heard the last of toofbearer, anyway. For all his venom, he seems not to be very interested in continuing the debate, what with all the evidence we've presented him with.

Not their job to prove the things they claim?**COMMENT REMOVED**Over 3,000 people died and these people are covering up the evidence which is the most major reason for these "conspiracy theories" in the first place. How can it be an ongoing investigation if the investigation was compromised the very day of the attack.




**COMMENT REMOVED**I'd expect to see what they tell us happened. They say a boeing 757 flew into the building, show me a tape of a boeing 757 hitting the building, thats all. Why would they need to hide a tape showing exactly what they claim happened? Oh wait, I know why. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW A BOEING 757 HITTING THE PENTAGON AT ALL AND WOULD THEREFOR INCRIMINATE THEM.

Would you release a video tape that completely contradicted the story you told if you didn't have to?**COMMENT REMOVED**

**Truthbearer, please read the PM I am sending you**

Well some people might think that if they release a video of a plane clearly hitting the Pentagon it could be fake. Why? My opinion might be that it might be fake, because why release it after such a long time. Why couldn't they just show it to us when the conspiracy theories popping up.

I still have the opinion that a Global Hawk Drone hit the Pentagon. Not a boeing.

Be careful there, you might just loose your mind completely for believing something that isn't so.
You seriously believe some governemnt agents out there decided to kill 3,000 and expect to be able to cover it up, with major Airlines involved, right in the center of New York? DUUUUH!!!

Check with American Airlines and find out what happened to Flight 77. They have a missing plane then with passengers and crew. Twilight Zone time?

I'm not understanding the logic behind this. What about the people on the plane that supposedly hit it? Are you suggesting that they have all been swept into the witness protection program and left their families behind?

What about the people who received phone calls from their husbands and wives saying goodbye? Are you suggesting that they are all lying?

I know someone who listened to his wife burn to death on the phone, A CF employee. The man nearly killed himself except for the fact of his little girl.

Do you really think that all these people put their loved ones through all of this? Or do you suggest they are just actors?

I'm not sure I get the logic behind that aspect of it.

Further if this was a huge conspiracy it would take the government three hot seconds to make a CGI video of a plane hitting the Pentagon and fuzz it up to be on a security camera.

Surely with all this planning this would have been something they had done.

The only people that died were the ones that were shot down on flight 93, however this flight was not heading anywhere and was purposly shot down as part of the governments plan. In other words, they purposly put people on a plane and allowed it to fly and purposly shot it down for absolutely no reason.




The phone calls came from people supposedly on flight 93 but the reality is that you CANNOT MAKE A CELL PHONE CALL FROM THE ALTITUDE THE PLANE WAS AT. It was 100% impossible during 2001 and trust me, I know this for sure. So theres only a few possibilities of what really happened. Either the calls were made by imposters pretending to be the said person or the actual people were forced at gun point to make the calls with prepared scripts.




You act like I think that everything was lied about. I do not. Many innocent people died on 9/11, mainly those in the twin towers and I'm sure those calls were real for sure and I'm sure many people died. However, no one was on the planes that flew into either of the twin towers, they were completely empty. Perhaps the actual planes with people on them were shot down over the ocean, I do not know but I am 100% sure that the planes that flew into the twin towers were NOT from American or United Airlines or whatever. Theres also the possibility of mock funerals.

Infact, the number of people on the planes has been changed numerous times, which is evidence of a cover up because those seat plans are set in stone once the plane takes off. I'm not saying no one died, thats just absurd. However, I am suggesting that the government uses this confusion to obfuscate the truth and in the midst of the fire, they throw bits of gasoline here and there but not so much as to be easily noticed. Sorta like how the Zionists used the Nazi's emigration of Jews as a means to say they were committing genocide when in reality the people the Zionists claimed were being killed were actually being transported to Israel.




Your assumptions are what keep you in ignorance. A CGI rendering of the event? Are you that naive, honestly?

Just tell me why they felt the need to confiscate the video from the gas station which got a perfect view of exactly what happened. I mean, the obviousness of government involvement in 9/11 is so overwhelming that you have to be mentally handicapped not to see it.

They can't have force them to call at gun point, FOR THEY CANNOT MAKE A PHONE CALL FROM THAT ALTITUDE, remember? Kind of got mixed up there, huh?

Hmmm, I heard a statement similar to this recently from the current leader of Iran.
I think we just uncovered who you are and what you are about!

Which means they had to have been on the ground at some point, obviously, which is the proof of the deception.



Well the truth is the leader of Iran is correct and this is coming from someone who is 50% Italian and 50% german and have lived in New York my entire life so as not to think I have some obligation to Iran but rather, support Iran by my own free will based on truth alone. Aside from that I also know people from concentration camps that say the Holocaust is a lie.

You on the other hand, I already know who you are what you are about. You support the murder of innocent people and US and Israeli terrorism. By your own ignorance do you condemn yourself to be thrown into the fire.

- They can't be on the ground for Flight 93 is supopose to have been shot down, remember? Hah! hah! Gosh, this is becoming so funny now!
- See, I was right. Now we know who's side you are with. Why did you have to hide behind this silly conspiracy, I don't understand?

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

Subject: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)

1. The Joint Chiefs of Staff have considered the attached Memorandum for the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project, which responds to a request of that office for brief but precise description of pretexts which would provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

2. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend that the proposed memorandum be forwarded as a preliminary submission suitable for planning purposes. It is assumed that there will be similar submissions from other agencies and that these inputs will be used as a basis for developing a time-phased plan. Individual projects can then be considered on a case-by-case basis.

3. Further, it is assumed that a single agency will be given the primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the basic plan. It is recommended that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

For the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

[Signed "L. L. Lemnitzer" in cursive.]
L. L. LEMNITZER
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JUSTIFICATION FOR US MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CUBA (TS)

THE PROBLEM

1. As requested* by Chief of Operations, Cuba Project, the Joint Chiefs of Staff are to indicate brief but precise description of pretexts which they consider would provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

FACTS BEARING ON THE PROBLEM

2. It is recognized that any action which becomes pretext for US military intervention in Cuba will lead to a political decision which then would lead to military action.

3. Cognizance has been taken of a suggested course of action proposed** by the US Navy relating to generated instances in the Guantanamo area.

4. For additional facts see Enclosure B.

DISCUSSION

5. The suggested courses of action appended to Enclosure A are based on the premise that US military intervention will result from a period of heightened US-Cuban tensions which place the United States in the position of suffering justifiable grievances. World opinion, and the United Nations forum should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere.

6. While the foregoing premise can be utilized at the present time it will continue to hold good only as long as there can be reasonable certainty that US military intervention in Cuba would not directly involve the Soviet Union. There is

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* Memorandum for General Craig from Chief of Operations, Cuba Project, subject: "Operation MONGOOSE", dated 5 March 1962, on file in General Craig's office.
** Memorandum for the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, from Chief of Naval Operations, subject: "Instances to Provoke Military Actions in Cuba (TS)", dated 8 March 1962, on file in General Craig's office.

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as yet no bilateral mutual support agreement binding the USSR to the defense of Cuba, Cuba has not yet become a member of the Warsaw Pact, nor have the Soviets established Soviet bases in Cuba in the pattern of US bases in Western Europe. Therefore, since time appears to be an important factor in resolution of the Cuba problem, all projects are suggested within the time frame of the next few months.

CONCLUSION

The suggested courses of action appended to Enclosure A satisfactorily respond to the statement of the problem. However, these suggestions should be forwarded as a preliminary submission suitable for planning purposes, and together with similar inputs from other agencies, provide a basis for development of a single, integrated, time-phased plan to focus all efforts on the objective of justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

RECOMMENDATIONS

8. It is recommended that:

a. Enclosure A together with its attachments should be forwarded to the Secretary of Defense for approval and transmittal to the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project.

b. This paper NOT be forwarded to commanders of unified or specified commands.

c. This paper NOT be forwarded to US officers assigned to NATO activities.

d. This paper NOT be forwarded to the Chairman, US Delegation, United Nations Military Staff Committee.

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MEMORANDUM FOR CHIEF OF OPERATIONS, CUBA PROJECT

Subject: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)

1. Reference is made to memorandum from Chief of Operations, Cuba Project, for General Craig, subject: "Operation MONGOOSE", dated 5 March 1962, which requested brief but precise description of pretexts which the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider would provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

2. The projects listed in the enclosure hereto are forwarded as a preliminary submission suitable for planning purposes. It is assumed that there will be similar submissions from other agencies and that these inputs will be used as a basis for developing a time-phased plan. The individual projects can then be considered on a case-by-case basis.

3. This plan, incorporating projects selected from the attached suggestions, or from other sources, should be developed to focus all efforts on a specific ultimate objective which would provide adequate justification for US military intervention. Such a plan would enable a logical build-up of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective and create the necessary impression of Cuban rashness and irresponsibility on a large scale, directed at other countries as well as the United States. The plan would also properly integrate and time phase the courses of action to be pursued. The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

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4. Time is an important factor in resolution of the Cuban problem. Therefore, the plan should be so time-phased that projects would be operable within the next few months.

5. Inasmuch as the ultimate objective is overt military intervention, it is recommended that primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the plan for both overt and covert military operations be assigned the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

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PRETEXTS TO JUSTIFY US MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CUBA

(Note: The courses of action which follow are a preliminary submission suitable only for planning purposes. They are arranged neither chronologically nor in ascending order. Together with similar inputs from other agencies, they are intended to provide a point of departure for the development of a single, integrated, time-phased plan. Such a plan would permit the evaluation of individual projects within the context of cumulative, correlated actions designed to lead inexorably to the objective of adequate justification for US military intervention in Cuba).

1. Since it would seem desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for US military intervention in Cuba a cover and deception plan, to include requisite preliminary actions such as has been developed in response to Task 33 c, could be executed as an initial effort to provoke Cuban reactions. Harassment plus deceptive actions to convince the Cubans of imminent invasion would be emphasized. Our military posture throughout execution of the plan will allow a rapid change from exercise to intervention if Cuban response justifies.

2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):

(1) start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.

(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.

(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.

(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).

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(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).

(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.

(8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.

(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.

(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.

(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:

a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.

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The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation (in the vein of the 14th of June invasion of the Dominican Republic). We know that Castro is backing subversive efforts clandestinely against Haiti, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Nicaragua at present and possible others. These efforts can be magnified and additional ones contrived for exposure. For example, advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and "Cuban" shipments of arm which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.

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7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio

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stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

9. It Is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

a. Approximately 4 or 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba. Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida. These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at frequent Intervals. Crews would be briefed to remain at least 12 miles off the Cuban coast; however, they would be required to carry live ammunition in the event that hostile actions were taken by the Cuban MIGs.

b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found.

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FACTS BEARING ON THE PROBLEM

1. The Joint Chiefs of Staff have previously stated* that US unilateral military intervention in Cuba can be undertaken in the event that the Cuban regime commits hostile acts against US forces or property which would serve as an incident upon which to base overt intervention.

2. The need for positive action in the event that current covert efforts to foster an Internal Cuban rebellion are unsuccessful was indicated** by the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 7 March 1962, as follows:

" - - - determination that a credible internal revolt is impossible of attainment during the next 9-10 months will require a decision by the United States to develop a Cuban "provocation" as justification for positive US military action."

3. It is understood that the Department of State also is preparing suggested courses of action to develop justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

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"(1) start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.

(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.

(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.

(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).

(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).

(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.

(8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.

(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.

(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.

(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:

a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.

The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation (in the vein of the 14th of June invasion of the Dominican Republic). We know that Castro is backing subversive efforts clandestinely against Haiti, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Nicaragua at present and possible others. These efforts can be magnified and additional ones contrived for exposure. For example, advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and "Cuban" shipments of arm which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.






and last but not least....


"(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10))."



You don't think the government can stage funerals for mock victims?

Why would they write about having funerals for mock victims if they didn't have a plan to have the so called "family" there...


/sigh

Wow, all that declassified stuff in post #42. I wonder why the government declassified that stuff if this was supposed to be a cover up? I'll have to contact my JEWISH masters, the SHADOWPRESIDENTS at Z.O.G. and demand some answers!

Also, I'd really like to know who put those numbers on my grandmothers arm. She was under the impression that it was the NAZIs. I guess I'll have to warm up hte old Ouija board and let her know that it was really all a plot to blow up the WTC, thirty something years before it was even built. Boy, will she ever be relieved. She was under the impression that they killed her family for nothing !


PPHHHBBBTTT! I only say that because it's more polite than to describe this theory as as a heap of fresh from the faucet male bovine excrement.

The plan in those docs was never carried out though...
Would have worked perfectly judging from recent events...

-Muddy

A post as long as a novel and yet American Airlines is still missing crews, passenger and plane of flight 77??? Still twilight zone time. And a little of Houdini.

The reason it wasn't carried out is because 1 man didnt want it to.

JFK didn't let it happen, because he didnt want to go to war, or have a nuclear war.


The document got approval ALL the way to JFK.

I know all about it.

-Muddy

If the extent of my posting was the measure of your brains, my post wins by a long shot.

Your childish, immature remarks goes to show just how much you don't know.

You can't think of any other way to debunk the northwood's documents so you change the subject and start talking about NAZI's, and just so you know, It wasn't the NAZI's that tattoo'ed your grandmother's arm....

It was IBM...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/27/...ain504730.shtml

Insults, insults, insults. Where is the American Airlines Flight Crew, passenger and the plane, you don't know, right?
The Airline is not wondering where it went. I guess we don't have to wonder either for it is their plane, right?

Insults? All you have done is insult everyone on every topic in this forum.

You try to make points and your points are flawed and inconclusive.

Then when I show you something that you don't want to believe, you get defensive.

The same could be said about me, but........


If you showed me a plane....

Showed me proof the northwoods documents were all FAKE....



Then I would accept it.

I'm not a conspiracy nut who doesn't believe things when their right infront of me.

but ALL you have done since I made this post is insult everyone with smart-ass remarks talking like you got a chip on your shoulder, you need to chill out, and have a real debate instead of making smart-ass comments.



And btw, about the passengers, crew, etc....

YOU don't know either.