timbeau
May 31 2008, 10:22 PM
I'll be rooting for the Celtics in the Finals.
As for the Pistons, fire Flip if you want, but send Rasheed (among others) packing with him. What good would a new coach do if you keep a guy like Rasheed, who insists on not playing up to his potential.
Bring in Avery Johnson, trade for Elton Brand. Shake things up.
nativechick1989
Jun 1 2008, 07:51 AM
Well Yay for the oldsters...atleast they made it to the 'final four' ~ Tim Duncan & Co.
Go Celtics
frogfish
Jun 1 2008, 03:20 PM
I personally would hate to see Flip leave...But 'Sheed needs to go. It's time we start building around a core of Stuckey, Prince, and Maxiell. We need another big man.
timbeau
Jun 2 2008, 04:07 AM
Rip is the only player I'd be opposed to moving.
timbeau
Jun 2 2008, 06:04 AM
QUOTE
Expect a busy summer for Pistons
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
AUBURN HILLS -- We were all wrong. All of us who speculated that the Pistons' loss in Game 6 to Boston spelled the end of Flip Saunders' coaching life in Detroit were wrong.
Saunders met briefly with Pistons president Joe Dumars on Saturday and all indications are that he was told he will be back.
Understand that with the Pistons, a coach's job security can change in an instant, but as of today, the plan is for Saunders to finish out the final year of his contract. He's already working on next season. He will supervise a workout of draft candidates at the practice facility Wednesday.
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But that's not to say Game 6 didn't close a particular chapter for the Pistons.
It seems a pretty safe bet that the core of the team -- the group that has been together through six straight runs to the conference finals -- will be altered, significantly.
For starters, it's time to get off the Rasheed Wallace train. What a wild and crazy ride it has been with this mercurial talent, but how many times can a team climb back on board with him after he crashes?
Wallace took the Pistons from good to great in 2004. He brought the swagger, the edge. He brought a diverse range of skills and a genius-level basketball IQ. But he also brought a manic personality that in turns lifted the team and torpedoed it.
The inevitable crash
Sadly, probably unfairly, he will be remembered more for his flameouts than his brilliance. He was part of one of the biggest playoff collapses in history when his Portland team blew a huge lead to the Lakers in 2000. With the Pistons he:
• Left Robert Horry open for a winning, series-altering 3-pointer in Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals.
• Injured his ankle in Game 2 of the Eastern conference semifinals against Cleveland in 2006; neither he nor the Pistons were the same after that.
• Defied the coach's defensive plans against LeBron James in Game 5 of the conference finals in 2007 -- the confusion from which contributed to James scoring 25 straight points -- and then got ejected from Game 6.
• Spewed a profanity-laced tirade at the officials after Game 5 of the conference finals this season, earning a $25,000 fine, then showed up late to the team's shoot-around before a must-win Game 6, a game in which he managed just four points on 2-for-12 shooting.
In general, his playoff performances haven't matched his regular-season production. In 2004, he only shot 41 percent (24 percent from 3-point range) and averaged just three more points a game than Ben Wallace.
Ultimate contrast
Watching Wallace battle Boston's Kevin Garnett -- two of the elite power forwards of our time -- offered a fascinating contrast in personalities.
Off the court, Garnett can be a jerk. He is rude to ball boys and locker room attendants. He gets himself so intensely wound before games, he's even a jerk to his teammates at times.
But on the court, Garnett is the perfect teammate. He plays hard every second he's on the floor. He shares the ball. He executes the game plan completely and without questioning anything. If the coach says to cut, he cuts. If the coach says to play zone, he plays zone.
Wallace off the court is one of the warmest and funniest guys in the league. There isn't a ball boy or locker room attendant that he hasn't tipped lavishly. You think back on all the things he has done -- buying championship belts for his teammates, working patiently and tirelessly with the young guys on the team, working tirelessly for underprivileged kids in the community -- he has a heart of gold.
But on the court, Wallace can be a jerk. There are times, because he is so ridiculously skilled, he just gets bored and lax. He doesn't always agree with the game plan, but instead of arguing about it before the game, he sometimes tries to rebel against it during the game.
His passion to win is every bit as strong as Garnett's, but Wallace too often channels that passion into negative energy. And because his personality is so large and dominant on this team, once he goes to the dark side, he generally takes the team there with him.
Not much was made of Wallace coming late to shoot-around Friday. He has come late many times before. But his coming late on the day of a do-or-die game deflated the entire team. When he sauntered in 15 minutes late, his teammates knew he wasn't going to be there for them that night -- and he wasn't.
Wallace will be 34 in September. He has one year left on his contract ($13.7 million). Because of that, and because he still can be a force especially in a contract year, Wallace has trade value.
Certainly Dumars will at least test the waters to see what return he might be able to get on Wallace. He might even look to package him with another starter.
Superstar search?
Because here's the dilemma Dumars faces right now: He has built this team on the principle of balance and depth, five guys playing as one. Much was made in 2004 of the Pistons being the first team in 30 years to win an NBA title without a bona fide superstar.
But the NBA changed the rules after the Pistons won in 2004. They essentially outlawed the style of defense the Pistons played in 2004. No more clutching and banging away from the ball. It's virtually impossible, as we've seen, to stop the likes of LeBron James or Paul Pierce or Kobe Bryant any more. You might be able to contain them for a while, but over the course of a seven-game series, they will break free and you had better be able to match their firepower. Will Dumars alter his philosophy? Will he seek to find a superstar?
The Pistons have enough assets and financial flexibility to do it. But legitimate superstar players, if you haven't noticed, are in short supply.
And if you make a mistake and build your team around a fake superstar, or a part-time superstar, you are doomed (see the New York Knicks).
Take a guy like Shawn Marion, who might or might not be available this summer. Is this the type of player you want to give a large chunk of your payroll to? If you add him to the mix at the expense of Wallace and perhaps, just to throw in another starter, Richard Hamilton, does that get the Pistons over the hump? Not unless Amir Johnson is ready to contribute 12 points and 10 rebounds a game.
A quick scan of the free-agent class offers a lot of risky bets: Atlanta's Josh Smith (restricted), Sacramento's Ron Artest, Golden State's Monta Ellis (restricted) and Matt Barnes, Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala (restricted), Washington's Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison.
No sure bets there.
Would Dumars call his buddy Michael Jordan in Charlotte and try to work a deal for Jason Richardson, who is going to, most likely, chafe under the constraints of Larry Brown's offense? Would Dumars call and offer Wallace and others in exchange for Richardson and Emeka Okafor?
These are doable deals, but do they take the Pistons over the hump?
Or, will Dumars think it more prudent to hang on to Wallace and use that $13.7 million in additional cap space the following summer when the likes of Dwyane Wade and James hit the open market?
Either way, brace yourself for a busy summer. The coach might be coming back, but most likely with an altered cast of characters.
The Other Guy
Jun 2 2008, 11:24 AM
Detroit got owned...Celtics for the Championhip, we're all bandwagon jumpers.
openmind1963
Jun 2 2008, 09:45 PM
GO CELTICS!
i hate the lakers almost as bad as i hate unc,the dallas cowboys,and anybody the cubs play against!
timbeau
Jun 4 2008, 02:21 AM
Pistons fire Flip. Looks like Michael Curry's going to be the man to take his place.
Ghostdancer
Jun 5 2008, 01:31 PM
Deja Vu, Lakers vs. Celtics. Guessing that the nostalgia with this match up will boost TV ratings.
Lakers looking like the better team throughout the playoffs, but just can't count out a Celtics win. Those of you in the Boston area, your pro teams have certainly been good to you this past year.
Just to mention, kudos to Charles Barkley for making a call to lend support to the family of a Tucson police officer who died in the line of duty.
Dr. D
Jun 5 2008, 02:30 PM
QUOTE (Ghostdancer @ Jun 5 2008, 02:31 PM)

Deja Vu, Lakers vs. Celtics. Guessing that the nostalgia with this match up will boost TV ratings.
Lakers looking like the better team throughout the playoffs, but just can't count out a Celtics win. Those of you in the Boston area, your pro teams have certainly been good to you this past year.
Just to mention, kudos to Charles Barkley for making a call to lend support to the family of a Tucson police officer who died in the line of duty.
As much as I like the Celtics, I would not be surprised to see the Lakers take it in five games.
timbeau
Jun 5 2008, 06:27 PM
Meh. I wanted to see this series, but all this nostalgic stuff being shoved down my throat is really making me NOT want to watch. It's great and all that the two most storied franchises in the entire league are playing once again for the championship, but c'mon, it's 2008 last I checked.
Even though I want Boston to win it, I got a feeling LA is going to steal one in Boston and win all three at home. Lakers in 5.
~ MacDDT ~
Jun 8 2008, 06:45 AM
"BEAT L.A."
timbeau
Jun 8 2008, 01:21 PM
Pistons interested in acquiring Carmelo Anthony...
frogfish
Jun 8 2008, 10:37 PM
Where did you hear that timbeau? 'Mello would come with a steep price, but he's an amazing player.
timbeau
Jun 9 2008, 07:41 AM
Couple articles I read. Also heard it on the radio while driving home from the pool. Dumars told Michael Curry that he is interested in trading for Melo.
I BELIEVE the deal would be Tayshaun-Rasheed for Melo-Camby. I also heard about a Billups for Anthony trade, but I believe the former would be the deal if it's made.
nativechick1989
Jun 9 2008, 07:56 AM

Yay Celtics
~ MacDDT ~
Jun 9 2008, 07:58 AM
QUOTE (timbeau @ Jun 9 2008, 03:41 AM)

Couple articles I read. Also heard it on the radio while driving home from the pool. Dumars told Michael Curry that he is interested in trading for Melo.
I BELIEVE the deal would be Tayshaun-Rasheed for Melo-Camby. I also heard about a Billups for Anthony trade, but I believe the former would be the deal if it's made.
I couldn't see trading Anthony to get Billups ... but you never know?
~ MacDDT ~
Jun 9 2008, 08:03 AM
timbeau
Jun 9 2008, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (~ MacDDT ~ @ Jun 9 2008, 03:58 AM)

I couldn't see trading Anthony to get Billups ... but you never know?
Me neither, Denver would be getting ripped off. The Prince-Sheed for Melo-Camby deal makes a lot of sense though IMO.
frogfish
Jun 9 2008, 11:11 PM
It would be hard to see Prince go though, especially since we have a lot of potential to build around him. I would rather see Billups-Sheed go. Stuckey can run the point.
I would love Mello, but I'm kinda dissapointed that the best big man we would get is Camby.
timbeau
Jun 9 2008, 11:36 PM
The PTI guys were talking about this and from what I've heard it appears the deal, if there even is one, would be Billups for Melo straight up.
frogfish
Jun 10 2008, 01:59 AM
Even thought Billups has been the face of the franchise and a Finals MVP, I think the Pistons would GREATLY benefit from a Melo/Billups trade.
timbeau
Jun 10 2008, 02:11 AM
Yeah, I'm warming up to the idea. Billups is aging and Melo has entered the prime of his career. We'd get that superstar that we probably need in order to get back to the Finals.
Melo's defense is suspect, but he's got some of the best offensive skills in the league.
frogfish
Jun 10 2008, 09:36 PM
Billups never had great defense ever. It's time for us to move on, and to pass the torch to the young Stuckey!
timbeau
Jun 13 2008, 03:37 AM
I can't stop laughing at this game. The Lakers were up 24 (20 in the 3rd) and are completely imploding!
Ghostdancer
Jun 13 2008, 04:01 AM
QUOTE (timbeau @ Jun 13 2008, 03:37 AM)

I can't stop laughing at this game. The Lakers were up 24 (20 in the 3rd) and are completely imploding!
And to add insult to injury their 21 point lead at the end of the 1st quarter was the largest in NBA history for a 1st quarter lead.
nativechick1989
Jun 13 2008, 05:27 AM
frogfish
Jun 13 2008, 05:49 PM
WTF. Celtics blow leads and hold, and then LA goes and blows a huge lead and loses. Just give the Celtics they're damn championship. No way Kobe is recovering from this loss.
Damnit...
Ghostdancer
Jun 18 2008, 04:05 AM
Congrats to the Celtics! Awesome display of basketball tonight.
timbeau
Jun 18 2008, 06:13 AM
Good gosh, what a beatdown... 131-92.
It's great to see Garnett finally win one.
nativechick1989
Jun 18 2008, 06:56 AM

WhooHoo


Congratulations Boston!!

An emotional KG...well deserved win...Congratz Celtics!

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FLY SPITTA
Jun 18 2008, 05:59 PM
Lame...that was not evne a close game....nothing. My team got whopped on so bad! Embarassing now nobodies going to remember L.A. for being the western conference champs, but only for getting destroyed by Boston in game 6. Honestly I believe Boston let them win game 5 that way they could just go and win at home. Sad sad sad Lakers did nothing in that game.
frogfish
Jun 21 2008, 05:47 PM
Did I ever mention how much I hate Boston?
timbeau
Jun 26 2008, 05:54 AM
Indy traded Jermaine O'Neal to the Raptors for TJ Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, and the 17th pick in the draft.
If JO stays healthy, Toronto becomes a really sick team.
frogfish
Jun 27 2008, 04:50 PM
Did anyone hear about the Memphis-Minnesota blockbuster trade? 8 players including OJ Mayo and K Love.
Detroit lost out on trading away DJ White.
timbeau
Jun 28 2008, 08:13 AM
Yeah, I'm not a fan at all of the Pistons' draft this year. Traded White, passed up on Douglas-Roberts...
timbeau
Aug 24 2008, 07:48 PM
I told everyone I was done watching after the Pistons disappointed me yet again this past season, but after watching USA take gold after beating Spain and Game 1 of the 04 Finals, I'm ready for the season to start up...
nativechick1989
Nov 5 2008, 05:48 PM
AAaaahhhh

... My Spurs, whatta horrible start to their season

Hoohum

Keepin' the faith!
AI to Detroit

should be interesting.
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