After a breif talk with a mod.
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I'd like fellow people who may not know
much about this book and the religion it's based on to understand it better.

So, anyone who wants to take a look. Here is the Link.

This will provide better understanding for those unaware.

http://sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/index.htm

i really didnt think the other topic was offensive though, but i agree people need to know more about a religion before they go about judging it

that sh** was wack.
I am bad luck, or not to sound gay, i have books written inside my own self.
I feel as if something just was nothing, I hope.

You said in the former thread, now closed , according to Islam everyone is born a muslim. (link)

Fascinating thing about that assertion is that Islam is the third populus faith on Earth, and yet it was "founded" in 622 CE by Muhammad the Prophet (peace be upon him). So then, if everyone is born a Muslim because it is a natural faith why does Islam need and indeed boast, so many prophets!? If it's an inherent faith we do not need speakers to interpret gods truth to and for us. And not to mention those that would slaughter their own fellow believers, so as to get the word out to the world that Allah is god and terrorism is the vehicle by which many wish to impart that "truth"!

Isn't it fascinating that monotheism, in it's many guises, holds one thing in common with those seemingly different philosophies under the one banner of god; slaughter in it's name!
What a pathetic testament that mortal flesh paints it's ideal of heaven with blood.

Every belief has its extreme elements. There are few, but they make the most noise.

As a Deist, I resent that remark....show me one Deist who has slaughtered in the name of the Creator! Don't lump all monotheists with Abraham's three bloody children! i

It is your privilege to resent the remark. However the remark was made toward the institution , rather than individuals within said institution and as such is not indicative of any practitioner.

Besides, there's plenty of Abrahamic practitioners that also resent the bloodshed and aren't all that thrilled about it still being practiced.

As a self confessed atheist, why are you bothered if people read or understand the Quran?

He stated he was not religious

The point being is that Deism has no institution, no dogma, no organized congregations, scriptures, nothing but a belief in a SINGLE Creator! Are you Deist bashing?

IcarusSolo - why would I want to study or understand a patently false copy of an equally false religion?

Imaginary Friend

Deism has nothing to do with the bloody trio know as the Abrahamic Gods.

If everyone is born a moslem then according to Sharia all those who do not practice Islam as their religion have left the faith and must all be killed.

Correct?

I believe that is what it says in the Qur'an.

Though what about people who were raised in a different religion and never knew they were supposed to be practicing Islam. Is there any leniency in that or are they just screwed? Cause that's kind of unfair, I'd think.

All the better to ask for forgivness and start now.

Icarus, the only people who fear your god are his own followers.

Deism - de·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.



Monotheism - mon·o·the·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-th-zm)
n.
The doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

You should fear anyone who
has the power to create and destroy anything at will.

You can't tell me what I should fear, Icarus. You have no proof that god created anything, and if god could destroy anything at will, there would be a heck of a lot less skeptics in the world. You may say it's part of his divine "plan" beyond any mortal's understanding to let us live 'til judgement day, but if that's true, he must have a really sick sense of humor.

Diesm is at the core unconditional love and no bible...It isn't Abrahamic at all.... To be considered a abrahamic religon FEAR is the guiding force.....

Notice each one has only one god...Monotheism is not an institution,it is a belief....Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism are instituitions..I think you are deliberately Deist bashing!

My mother created my uncertainty and destroyed my self-esteem. You bet I fear her.

CORRECTION: Please don't lump the Upright physical and spiritual seeds of Abraham (Jews & Christians) with the wicked muslims and the evil.......well, whatever mako is.

I keep seeing him as a shark with Spock's ears. It's starting to wig me out.

Oh hush up and hold on!

Hey, IF...where did you get my picture. Ivy, you are close to right....when I lived in Japan back in the 1960's, My Japanese friends said that I was constantly on the move like a shark, hence the nickname they gave me - Mako....and now you know the rest of the story. Spock is my "hero"...well not really, but I admire the logic that the character represents. And that is the final piece of the story...Now is you want to see what I really look like (50 pounds ago, before my diet), look at my members entry, I have my photo posted there...
No TheEssenceofExcellence, I had it right...three religions come from the seed of Abraham, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These three seeds have perpetrated more evil in this world than all of the other religions put together....think religious wars (only Jews, Christians, Moslems practice such), think Crusades, think Jihad, think buring heretics and witches (most of whom were innocent), Think Inquistion, think of the rape of the new world and the attempted genocide of it's natives, think of the theft of the lands of the new world, think of the theft of the lands of Africa and the enslavement of it's peoples....There has never been Deists doing such! So please don't point your finger at us nor rank us with any of ABRAHAM'S THREE BLOODY CHILDREN and their evil doings!

CORRECTION:

In the study of comparative religion, an Abrahamic religion or Judeo-Abrahamic Faiths are any of those religions deriving from a common ancient Semitic tradition and traced by their adherents to Abraham ("Father/Leader of many" Hebrew אַבְרָהָם Arabic ابراهيم), a patriarch whose life is narrated in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, and as a prophet in the Qur'an and also called a prophet in Genesis 20:7. This forms a large group of largely monotheistic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the Bahá'í Faith. Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total religious adherents. Many adherents of these religions, however, will reject this grouping of their faiths on the grounds that they contain inherently and fundamentally incompatible ideas concerning Abraham and concerning God.

One for all and all for 'one and the same'!

SOURCE

No. According to the teachings of Islam all three monoteistic religions are right.
A Jew has to embrace the Tevrat, a Christian the Evangelium and a Moslem the Quran.
The statement that everybody is born a moslem is not easy to understand.
Islam does not stand for a religion as later classified, but it stands for struggle to please God. Islam means struggel. That is what is actually meant by the statement.

The Quran refers to Jews and Christians as people of the Book, the same Book that was given to them by God, who later gave us the Quran.

I am a moslem. I read the Quran, and i read the Bible. I know both and I am glad to know that all those variations of the same religion are initially inside good. But what humanity is doing out of it is another story.

Did we not made the same mistakes before? Did not God punish us for that?

The way I see it, religion and humanity is a dangerous mix. I have seen more Atheist who behave according the scriptures, but I do not see much of believers who do that.

The only thing we should fear is the destruction of intelligence and common sense because of a religion.

Uhhh sorry about that but Islam does not mean struggle. It means submission to the will of Allah.

As a practicing Muslim for 6 years I can tell you that one of the things that impressed me most about the Qu'ran was the constant reference to those "bent on disbelieving" It stated repeatedly that you should not try to convert them.

Further a Muslim man may marry a non Muslim wife and is told not to convert her for the sake of obedience because submission must be a voluntary act and not a coercive one. Children are to be raised Muslim however due to the father's rights.

Muslim women may not marry a non Muslim man because then she would be bound to raise the children in his religion out of obedience and father's rights.

I have two children that I as an atheist am raising Muslim. We are an odd family. I am atheist. My husband is agnostic. Two of my children are Muslim and one is Christian.

Wow, that is quite odd. Did you let them make up their own minds, or trying to cover all the bases? Joking, but seriously, how does that occur?

My first marriage was to a Muslim and I think its part of their cultural history. I also think they should make up their own minds. I am sending one of my sons who is Muslim to a Catholic school this fall. So that is even weirder.

I think its a load of crap, religion, but I don't think its right to impose a belief system on anyone.

You better hope a holy war doesn't break out within your own household TT! Yargh! Talk about a fire burning!

Just for the heck of it ... Here are a couple of ex-Muslim/Muslim sites that I frequent. You may or may not find them of interest. I particularly enjoy the ISIS and applaud their "Statement of Principles".

Faith Freedom
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles.htm

ISIS: the Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society
http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm

Sean

www.answering-christianity.com

Yes, you are right. It means submission. But also it refers to struggle. Maybe it is still not the right word to explain since some arabic words can not be completely accurate translated into other languaga, at least that is what I have been told.

Your Family is very interesting, much as mine. I have close familymembers who are moslems, christians, one jew, and of course "nonbelievers". And, we are getting along very well, family is family, right. But this cultural and religios adversity is common where I come from. That is why people like Kratos will never undestand multiculti and respect for other believes.

I wish you and your family all the best.

It also means Peace, from the word Salam.

I'm not trying to be fiesty here

but the word ISLAM in this reference means Submission to the will of God.

That's it.

I mean you are arguing about different meanings of the word. But this is what Islam means. Look it up or as a cleric. The struggle words might be different definitions of the word but its not what Islam means.

The Arabic term 'islam means "submission" and itself comes from the term 'aslama, which means "to surrender, resign oneself."

and also,

The term Islam is related to the Syriac 'aslem which means "to make peace, surrender"

Perhaps it means both.

I myself have no Interest in A quran as I see nothing wrong with the Bible . And to read a Quran as Gods Word One would Need to prove the book of Rev not a rev of Jesus Christ given to John . As Rev Claims if any man takes away from that Book Good will take away his Part of the Book of Life . Which The Quran does Do as if you study rev then rev 3 you see the 24 elders in heaven worshiping Christ Calling him God .

The Quran tries to Take this away .

Also the quran leaves out What God wanted man to leave alone on this Earth . The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil .

The bible was wrote by many men in different times and places that could not of all got their heads together a Devine Link was needed as its a little here a little there over hundreds of years . The quran was wrote by one group of Men in one place it needed no devine link to be smooth .

In my opinion its Ishmaels try at getting a better blessing ,he was angry at Isac getting the better blessing with him being Abrahams First Born , so his sons wrote their own book .

Remember Ishmaels Blessing in the Bible i think it kind of pissed him off enough to make up his own religion .

Ishmael shall be a Wild man his hand against every man and every mans hand against him . In other words the Worlds trouble brewer . It would kind of make you Angry to have this Blessing and knowing you was Abrahams first born .

Well, Fisherman, what is good for the goose.....
According to the Quran, it is written as a testimony to the tevrat and the evangelium.
The storys about Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Solomon, David and so fort, are mostly the same.
See it this way, even the Gospels about Jesus differ, so obviously there are differences between Quran and Bible.

And about the divinity, I have no comment on that one. Some think that neither Islam nor Christianity nor Judaism are divine.
Are they wrong?

One verse in the Quran says: " You keep your religion, I will keep mine".

That means, neither one of us is wrong in their believe.

the differences in the gospels just prove four different men wrote their own versions and never put their heads together about what to write . 4 testamoneys and not one made up between them .

All these men accept John died as marters because they would not stop telling their storys , so the only thing they gained in this life from their spreading these storys was death , Paul too went from a Good life to a life of being beaten and tortured and killed because of his testamony . Surely these men Beleaved they was writing truth as what other motives would they have?

the quran picks and choses the bible verses keeping some throwing out others changeing some around .

the bible i beleave can unlock the future if understood the quran has no prophecy id beleave , isn't it a 1 eyed anti christ or something coming ?


i'll keep the bible , they can have their qurans .

The Bibles OT......does the exact samething.

Compare your Bivble to the Jewish Tanakh

The Bible picks and chooses what to use......adding if needed.

Don't the jews do some picking and Choseing too ?


Let US make Man in Our Image Isn't that a correct translation .


How about Gen 48and 49 ? Where is Ephrium ? half a tribe becomes a multitude of nations?

I think the Jews Are guilty of Picking and Choseing too .