How do Muslims believe salvation is earned? What does the koran say on this issue anyone?

Well to help you out if you look under your thread you will see another thread with a link to the Qur'an in english you can read it and find out.

Its quite long and Im quite lazy!
If someone could explain it in a nutshell citing where the relevant scripture is found it would be good.

Look man.
Just click the link to the Qur'an.
That's what it's there for. To Help people understand.
If you truly wanted to know you'd go to the Qur'an thread and read.

Id prefer someone to point me in the right direction, ie tell me the verses in question, Im not about to go searching for needles in hay stacks!
It makes more sense to me if I ask first get the relevant opinions and verses then go looking... I may be weird but its my perogative!
Cheers for your help any way 'man'

i think you can only earn your salvation if you follow the divine commandments. I think that's it anyway am i right IcarusSolo if not then i'm sorry for misinterperating it.

For muslims, yes.
They live their lives according to the Qur'an.
And at the end............
72 Virgins on a silver platter? (Maybe So)

elaborate on the works needed for salvation, what is the relationship between the works and atonement for sin...or is there any??

The Qur'an plain & simple. From Beginning to end.

If you want answers read.

Thats not very helpful but whatever,
Cheers.

I think what Icarus is saying is that to gain salvation Muslims have to read and adhere to all of the Qur’an, not just pick out the bits that will ensure you a clean slate and ignore the rest. I’m personally not religious, but that makes a lot more sense to me then the Christian idea of picking and choosing what to follow according to what suits them best.

Apologies if that’s not what you meant…

What Christian doctrine are you highlighting here?

I’m talking about any Christian doctrine who’s members work on the Sabbath, have contact with women in their period of menstrual uncleanliness, eat shellfish, that sort of thing…

I agree (in principle any way) are these people truly Christians then?
But
Another way of looking at it is this...Christians do not claim to be perfect...quite the opposite...they claim to be imperfect sinners who need help,ie a saviour in the form of Jesus. So the fact that these selfconfessed sinners worship imperfectly is to be expected in a sense. They are not claiming to be perfectly holy.

I’m sure you’re right. I’m not a Christian, so I wouldn’t know. I was merely saying I could understand where Icarus was coming from. It is easy for a Christian to explain to someone unfamiliar with the bible exactly where to find the verses that deal with salvation, as that is the structure of their religion. If salvation in Islam involves understanding and following the entire Qur’an, he couldn’t very well ‘summarise’ for you, could he?

It was not clear that he was actually making that explicit comment. If he was then no one can be saved because to understand and follow everything in the koran is impossible!

How do you know that? You clearly haven’t read it, because you were asking people to tell you what it said about salvation.

Actually, now I’ve read the OP’s other threads, I’m not sure if I should be clarifying his beliefs for him. You’re both too obsessed with your own religions if you ask me. Live and let live.

So you think it is possible to understand every thing in the koran?
I have not read it,-that is correct, but I know it deals with issues such as creation and, GOD!!! Therefore I would be safe to assume that no human being on earth understands these issues completely!!

Maybe understand wasn’t the right word to use then; what I meant was that maybe Islam requires muslims to follow everything they are told in the Qur’an in order to gain salvation, which is why Icarus could not sum it up for you.

I am, however, only theorising. I have not read it, so theorise is all I am able to do.

what does the qur'an say about suicide bombers or does it, just wondering

Are you being sarcastic or just stupid?

That is agood question M.A.D., but again, one cannot answer it that easy, but I will try anyway.
Suicide is forbidden in Islam. Exeption: If this is the only way to stop the enemy to harm your family, friends.
The Enemy is classified as a soldier with a weapon in the hand.

Explanation 2 : The Quran forbids following regarding wars:
A muslim is not allowed to kill or harm a child, elderly person, ill person, women( unless she is a soldier with a weapon) AND a soldier who has layed down his weapon and surrenderd. That is written in the Quran 1400 hundred years before the Geneva Connvention.

Honestly, to understand the Quran, you have to read it. Unfortunately, during the years the Quran is intentialy misinpresented by male shovinists in order to gain power.

Of course, for every good point in Quran, people can answer with a variety of other points, but we have the same thing regarding the Bible.

Basicly, there is nothing wrong with the Quran, but some of the "followers" will have a loooong talk with Allah.

niether, you

thank you

Well........ The Qur'an does not say a thing
about suicide bombers because they did not
even have gunpowder back then.
Let alone have the tools to strap bombs to their chests.

That question threw me off quite a bit because
that was the most illogical thing I'd ever heard.

Are you sure about that, my friend?

Read the Quran before you make such statements. All answers are there, in the Quran.

I would imagine MAD meant the principle of suicide bombers, not the actual action itself.

the act of taking ones life for there faith,because they are doing it now so who in islame is pushing that kind of act among its followers. over here they kill themselfs in groups mass suiside for there faith and it happens alot though the past,now i know this is a thread on muslim salvation.but taking ones life is not the way you don't need to die to be reborn in spirit.i know of jesus not muhamed ,jesus talks about having god within oneself ,and if god is in oneself why waste such a gift .jesus gave his life yes,but it was man that nialed him to the cross,not him taking his own life .and after his death it is the cross that reveals that mystery of truth.

the book i look for has jesus but in that book he's a profet ,why would a profet lie .if you exsept he spoke the words of god but call him a lier yet want to kill the generatians to come because he spoke the truth and showed the way. just go within and find out for your selfs so you know oneself and the unity between the father and that oneness then you all will know the truth

I read the Qu'ran a while back just to see what it is that makes this religion tick. I must say though that reading it does not necessarily mean understanding it as is the case with almost all religions.

Anyway, from memory (and keep in mind that I'm merely going by memory), with regards to suicide bombers, the Qu'ran mentions something along the lines that you are free (as a believer) to slay anyone who opposes (or mocks) the Qu'ran (or Allah's 'words').

Now with regards to salvation, there may be lot of references (I can't remember now) to salvation but one thing I did take a note of (because I just did not understand its meaning) is this verse from the "Cow" (Bagara?)...
What exactly does that mean? Does it mean Jews, Christians and Sabians are good to go ie. "they shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve" ? I'm confused

Cheers

there reward willbe from within,those three plus more but on an induvisual basis of oneself

It means what it means, Muslims, Chritians, Jews and Sabians believe in one and the same
God, everyone in their own way and according to their Holy book.
By "Infidel" it referes to those who have many gods ( Idolatries ) who by the way are treated the same way since the first Holy book came out.

Thanks Odas & M.A.D.

So the verse can be taken as a passing comment in a way saying - there are many religions and those that believe in a single god will (whilst on this earth) feel as if they are being rewarded by "their Lord" etc. (because of their beliefs) - this includes muslims of course. But it is not to be taken as talking about anything after we leave this earth.

I think I get it now.

Cheers

don't they believe that they get to paradise if they take a few of us with them?

by taking us with them does not mean we are going were they are going, those that are ment to die will die ,but there names will be in the book of life.those that take there own lives and some others along the way, well there names are non-existtant in this book that i call life.

Whose "us"? M&M's?

us ,you ,me ,your nehbor, brother ,sister ,father,mother ,son the hole kitten ka poddul ,when a person like that is blind to the truth, will try to take whome ever .

So, what you want to say is, it is not M&M's? Oh my God, what have I done. I ate them all for nothing.

You’ve eaten all the M&Ms?!?!
You’re definitely going to a bad, bad place…

To Earn Salvation/ Go to Jannah (Eden) u have to Obey and Follow Divine Commands of Allah. Perform Salaath (Namaz), Fasts, Zakat (Financial Help to Poor People), and If Possible Peroform Hajj. Take Care of Poor People. Consider urself Equal to other People, Respect Elders etc..


For more Info Read Holy Quran.



(On a Side Note i am Back.....was in India to meet Relations as well as Tour...............)




Zeeshan

I was wondering about the 72 virgins they get for being a good Muslim. If they each get 72, then that will mean there will be no more left for the rest of us. Could someone kindly tell them to make it about 20 or so instead?

Consider it done.

Just to make this thing clear. Again, people take for granted what someone mistakenly translated.
It is not about virgins in islam after one dies. The idea is following.

-If you are a good muslim, after you die, whatever you heart desires you will have in the paradise. So if you wish a virgin or eight or "72" you will get it.
If you wish for a Roadster ZX, Nintendo games............ to see your dead family, father, mother, long lost love............

I other words, the meaning of theat is not to be afraid of dieing. there is a kind of life after that.

I probably did not explain it very well, but hopefully some of you will get the message.