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Henzwang
I saw v for vendetta last night and i thought it was pretty kick-ass. what did you guys think?
woody82
For myself it was th best film i've seen al year on rental and that beats some pretty damn good movies King Kong, NArnia etc.

But V was a great character and the ending was great and so was the whole film, the storyline, the script, the unexpected/expected thing were he turns out to be her torturer.....

But hey a great film.
SecondHeartbeat
i loved that movie,the best part is at the end whens hes killing all those dudesa dn when the train goes and blows up pariliment or however you spell it.and Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture is a great song
Bella-Angelique
My family loved it because of the British flavor to it.
We do not get enough British products here. yes.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
Typical dystopian setting.
Too much preaching.
Natalie Portman still cannot act.
Too little action.
Underdeveloped, or just plain dropped, plot lines.
Predictable.
If you've one dystopian novel in your life, nothing really new in this movie. sleepy.gif thumbdown.gif
Nadal
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 16 2006, 01:00 PM) [snapback]1310475[/snapback]

Typical dystopian setting.
Too much preaching.
Natalie Portman still cannot act.
Too little action.
Underdeveloped, or just plain dropped, plot lines.
Predictable.
If you've one dystopian novel in your life, nothing really new in this movie. sleepy.gif thumbdown.gif

From all of this, your statements are pure opinion. Not fact.
Reincarnated
One of the best movies in the past 6 or so years.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Nadal @ Aug 16 2006, 12:04 PM) [snapback]1310480[/snapback]

From all of this, your statements are pure opinion. Not fact.

Earth to jackass:
The quality of a movie can only be an opinion, since it is a matter of taste and taste is subjective not objective.
If you would like, I could back up my opinion with a long dissertion on dystoptian media and the mundane elements of 'V' in comparision to the better works of the genre, but since I am finished with college, I no longer feel like writing papers that long and involved (and since, if you can't tell the difference between subjective and objective, most of it would go zinging over your head), let's just leave it at this:
the OP asked what we thought of 'V' and I answered in the same fashion as those who liked the movie. They posted their favorite parts, and I posted the reasons I found it lacking. All a matter of subjective taste.
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Chokmah
laugh.gif My photography tutor's brother was in this film. I should rent this out/buy it sometime hmm.gif
woody82
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 16 2006, 06:17 PM) [snapback]1310496[/snapback]

Earth to jackass:
The quality of a movie can only be an opinion, since it is a matter of taste and taste is subjective not objective.
If you would like, I could back up my opinion with a long dissertion on dystoptian media and the mundane elements of 'V' in comparision to the better works of the genre, but since I am finished with college, I no longer feel like writing papers that long and involved (and since, if you can't tell the difference between subjective and objective, most of it would go zinging over your head), let's just leave it at this:
the OP asked what we thought of 'V' and I answered in the same fashion as those who liked the movie. They posted their favorite parts, and I posted the reasons I found it lacking. All a matter of subjective taste.
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clap.gif well said.

But to little action, i feel personally adding more action would of spoiled the film. It is fine as is, and predictable maybe, but still a great film nonetheless.
whinnie & me
v is a GOD. w00t.gif
Drego
^ Agreed. original.gif I loved it when it showed the scene of the little girl getting shot, and all the citizens closing in on the officer hiding behind his badge. grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif

I also liked how they managed to put in a sad part (when V had to kill Delia Surridge).
jadeswan
QUOTE(Henzwang @ Aug 16 2006, 06:54 AM) [snapback]1309951[/snapback]

I saw v for vendetta last night and i thought it was pretty kick-ass. what did you guys think?


I thought it was good. I was very surprised. I thought I had hired out a 'popcorn, couch' movie but it wasn't anything like I expected. I thought it was deep and had a nr of hidden meanings.
Wookie McFly
I'm with Nirvana on this one... bland and not very well executed.
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(Marty Floyd @ Aug 20 2006, 01:02 PM) [snapback]1315269[/snapback]

I'm with Nirvana on this one... bland and not very well executed.


Agreed. I was expecting, and hoping for, a lot more to this movie. I found myself bored from the beginning, and V annoyed the crap out of me.
OlDrippy34
I thought it was excellent, and I disagree about V being annoying. Hugo Weaving was absolutely perfect for that part.
__Kratos__
V was one of the best movies I've seen in the last year. Smart, action added, twisted fate all came together in a beautiful picture. original.gif
Reincarnated
The movies main focus wasn't to blow stuff up every few minutes and have people dying every 5 seconds, it is about the message, not to please you with constant action. I would also assume your political stance would have something to do with your feelings about the movie.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Reincarnated @ Aug 20 2006, 02:33 PM) [snapback]1315318[/snapback]

The movies main focus wasn't to blow stuff up every few minutes and have people dying every 5 seconds, it is about the message, not to please you with constant action. I would also assume your political stance would have something to do with your feelings about the movie.

The preaching got old fast. I don't mind a statement of a character's philosophy, but Jesus Christ quit harping on it! We know V is a revolutionary, Evie's a moron and the government is corrupt, all in the first few moments of the movie. Things could have moved on and grown from there, but instead they just kind of muddled around to a predictable ending.
Yes, I called that it was V that locked her up as soon as it happened. sleepy.gif
And for me politics never entered in to it; was my sense of cinematic aesthetics that was offended, not my political philosophy.
Fasteddy
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 16 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]1310496[/snapback]

Earth to jackass:
The quality of a movie can only be an opinion, since it is a matter of taste and taste is subjective not objective.
If you would like, I could back up my opinion with a long dissertion on dystoptian media and the mundane elements of 'V' in comparision to the better works of the genre, but since I am finished with college, I no longer feel like writing papers that long and involved (and since, if you can't tell the difference between subjective and objective, most of it would go zinging over your head), let's just leave it at this:
the OP asked what we thought of 'V' and I answered in the same fashion as those who liked the movie. They posted their favorite parts, and I posted the reasons I found it lacking. All a matter of subjective taste.
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When you start a post with "Earth to Jackass" anything you write afterwards is going to sound stupid no matter how much you dress it up. Oh, and saying you finished college is a nice touch, as if having a degree makes you a expert on dystopian society and movie acting.

Now lets review the elitist crap you excreted earlier,

"Typical dystopian setting."

Well since the setting of the film is a dystopian soceity the traits of a dystopian soceity are going to be present. If the traits of the soceity were too far from that what a dystopian soceity is then it wouldnt be one therefore it wouldnt be a typical, it would be something diffrent.

"Too much preaching."

What is that supossed to mean?
As in it comments on what happening in the setting of the story. The intent of the film was meant to "preach" on the facets of the soceity in question. Your basically saying that the film is too involved with the film. As if the should talk about something diffrent then whats in the context of the film.

"Natalie Portman still cannot act."

Anybody sounds stupid when the spew out the crap that george lucas calls a script, but in this film "Padme" does a good job in my opinion, watch Garden State also if you still think she is a bad actress. Since neither of us are; actors or directors or producers or anyone who even has the slightest authority to comment on someones acting our opinions on this really doesnt matter to anyone, so you shouldnt have just kept that to yourself.

"Too little action."

Steven Segal wasn't starring in the movie what gave you the impression that it was all going to be action. It was your own assumtion that made you think that there was going to be alot of action, just cause your assumptions were wrong dont call it a bad film. Just from your short writings on this thread I can make the assumption that your an elitist prick face whose mother still washing his clothes. It that true? I dont know, its just an assumption therefore it is meaningless kinda like the assumption you had about there being alot of action in the film.

"Underdeveloped, or just plain dropped, plot lines."

This one just straight makes me wonder, the film tied together so well it was one of the things i liked most about it. Everthing in the film connected almost perfected, what films have you been watching that makes better plot connections or plot development. Really! Tell me a film. And I know you wanna say TOP GUN, again that is my assumption.

"Predictable."

As is the hero dying and saving the day, what did you want to happen V to take off his mask and show himself for what he really is. A horny space alien whos sole purpose in this whole adventure is to bang Natatlie Portman and go back into space in his spaceship cause he is a love um and leave um kinda space alien. See that wasnt predictable at all, but its a really lame story.

"If you've one dystopian novel in your life, nothing really new in this movie."

You know what I liked about this movie, no reading. Why even say novel, its a movie at least compare to another movie with a dystopian soceity like say Equillibrium starring Christian Bale. So now that we are comparing apples and apples i would say that "V" is a way better movie then "Equillibrium" in that "V's" potrayl of the dystopian soceity if more realistic and its take down more epic, again only my opinion. But propably an opinion more worthy then that of an elitist douch nozzle who dresses his writing trying to make himself sound smarter then the people he is writing to so he can in his own mind take an intellectial high ground so he can press his lame critizism of a good film.

Go ahead and flame my post.
justcallmefox
I've been thinking about renting this, but am not too sure of the plot line.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Reincarnated
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 21 2006, 03:14 PM) [snapback]1316114[/snapback]
And for me politics never entered in to it; was my sense of cinematic aesthetics that was offended, not my political philosophy.
If you admit it or not, your political stance does have an unconscious effect on your feelings of this movie. I see you often shooting down criticization of our current government and defending their actions. It is of no surprise that you would "get sick" of his "preaching" quickly and not like this movie. May I ask what you majored in? I find it hard to believe you are a college graduate.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Reincarnated @ Aug 21 2006, 11:19 AM) [snapback]1316185[/snapback]

If you admit it or not, your political stance does have an unconscious effect on your feelings of this movie. I see you often shooting down criticization of our current government and defending their actions. It is of no surprise that you would "get sick" of his "preaching" quickly and not like this movie. May I ask what you majored in? I find it hard to believe you are a college graduate.

English and History.
And no, my political stance had nothing to do with my feelings for this movie. I found the fascism as distasteful as everyone else. I defend my President's actions because he is my President, and I support my country on most anything up to full and calculated fascism or genocide, even if I disagree, partially or in whole, with what they are doing.
I have even, not on here but in RL, defended Bill Clinton once or twice because he was the President of one point. And he is one of my least favorite human beings on the planet.
And as far as the preaching point, the dialogue was repetitive, harping on the same theme. It was all summed up with the line: "People should not fear their governments; governments should fear their people." (A sentiment, I whole-heartedly agree with, by the way.) Once stated the point should have been left alone, maybe softly reminded, not repeated until a viewer is tired of hearing it. Hence, the term "preaching."
Again, nothing political, just my taste. Say it, leave it, and move on.
I am never in favor of over-presented points.
Reincarnated
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 21 2006, 04:44 PM) [snapback]1316215[/snapback]
I defend my President's actions because he is my President, and I support my country on most anything up to full and calculated fascism or genocide, even if I disagree, partially or in whole, with what they are doing. I have even, not on here but in RL, defended Bill Clinton once or twice because he was the President of one point. And he is one of my least favorite human beings on the planet.
If you were truly a college graduate, you would not be such a blind follower. What did Bill Clinton do that was soo bad for him to be one of your least favorite human beings on this planet? Ahhh, you are amusing. You can't even get away with lying over the internet...
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Fasteddy @ Aug 21 2006, 11:09 AM) [snapback]1316166[/snapback]

When you start a post with "Earth to Jackass" anything you write afterwards is going to sound stupid no matter how much you dress it up. Oh, and saying you finished college is a nice touch, as if having a degree makes you a expert on dystopian society and movie acting.

Now lets review the elitist crap you excreted earlier,

"Typical dystopian setting."

Well since the setting of the film is a dystopian soceity the traits of a dystopian soceity are going to be present. If the traits of the soceity were too far from that what a dystopian soceity is then it wouldnt be one therefore it wouldnt be a typical, it would be something diffrent.

"Too much preaching."

What is that supossed to mean?
As in it comments on what happening in the setting of the story. The intent of the film was meant to "preach" on the facets of the soceity in question. Your basically saying that the film is too involved with the film. As if the should talk about something diffrent then whats in the context of the film.

"Natalie Portman still cannot act."

Anybody sounds stupid when the spew out the crap that george lucas calls a script, but in this film "Padme" does a good job in my opinion, watch Garden State also if you still think she is a bad actress. Since neither of us are; actors or directors or producers or anyone who even has the slightest authority to comment on someones acting our opinions on this really doesnt matter to anyone, so you shouldnt have just kept that to yourself.

"Too little action."

Steven Segal wasn't starring in the movie what gave you the impression that it was all going to be action. It was your own assumtion that made you think that there was going to be alot of action, just cause your assumptions were wrong dont call it a bad film. Just from your short writings on this thread I can make the assumption that your an elitist prick face whose mother still washing his clothes. It that true? I dont know, its just an assumption therefore it is meaningless kinda like the assumption you had about there being alot of action in the film.

"Underdeveloped, or just plain dropped, plot lines."

This one just straight makes me wonder, the film tied together so well it was one of the things i liked most about it. Everthing in the film connected almost perfected, what films have you been watching that makes better plot connections or plot development. Really! Tell me a film. And I know you wanna say TOP GUN, again that is my assumption.

"Predictable."

As is the hero dying and saving the day, what did you want to happen V to take off his mask and show himself for what he really is. A horny space alien whos sole purpose in this whole adventure is to bang Natatlie Portman and go back into space in his spaceship cause he is a love um and leave um kinda space alien. See that wasnt predictable at all, but its a really lame story.

"If you've one dystopian novel in your life, nothing really new in this movie."

You know what I liked about this movie, no reading. Why even say novel, its a movie at least compare to another movie with a dystopian soceity like say Equillibrium starring Christian Bale. So now that we are comparing apples and apples i would say that "V" is a way better movie then "Equillibrium" in that "V's" potrayl of the dystopian soceity if more realistic and its take down more epic, again only my opinion. But propably an opinion more worthy then that of an elitist douch nozzle who dresses his writing trying to make himself sound smarter then the people he is writing to so he can in his own mind take an intellectial high ground so he can press his lame critizism of a good film.

Go ahead and flame my post.

No flaming, you took care of that. Just a simple, point-by-point, refuting of what you said.
"Earth to Jackass..." Excuse me for taking offense to someone with no basic understanding of the English language telling me that my opinion is an opinion. There is no universal standard for what makes media quality or not, it is inherently a matter of an individual's opinion.
Anyone who cannot understand that is, well a jackass.
"Elitist crap"? I'm an elitist because I hold my entertainment to my standards?
"Typical dystopian setting.." Typical as in: "Nothing new here." sleepy.gif I fully understand that it will have dystopian elements, but that doesn't mean it has to be a snap-together version of dystopia with no new insight or elements.
"Too much preaching..." Allow me to quote my reply to reincarnated: "
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the dialogue was repetitive, harping on the same theme. It was all summed up with the line: "People should not fear their governments; governments should fear their people." (A sentiment, I whole-heartedly agree with, by the way.) Once stated the point should have been left alone, maybe softly reminded, not repeated until a viewer is tired of hearing it. Hence, the term "preaching."
Say it, leave it, and move on.
I am never in favor of over-presented points.

"Natalie Portman still cannot act..."
Again, a matter of personal opinion. To me, she has always seemed less than talented. Just a pretty face for the 'I like my women built like coffee stirrers' crowd. And I have seen her in movies other than 'Star Wars' and 'V' and she has never exhibited the slightest bit of talent.
"Too little action." Action does not mean explosions and such. From dictionary.com: "The series of events and episodes that form the plot of a story or play." There is too much talking and not enough doing in this movie. It has nothing to do with explosions, or fight scenes, but simple movement. Too much of the movie seems to me a monologue by V.
"Underdeveloped, or just plain dropped, plot lines." This movie could have been so much deeper and richer. It is not a matter of how well it holds together, but another symptom of the problems caused when you spend too much time letting a single character rattle on instead of keeping the dialogue clean and concise.
"Predictable." Why would you assume just the climax was predictable? Most of the movie was easy to call, very few surprises, if any. I would actually have preferred to seen V killed off much earlier in the movie, and Evie left with more of a choice than whether or not to pull a lever. A choice in the manner of whether or not she believes in V's dream enough to keep his word after his death and set up the entire destruction during the climax rather than simply pulling a lever after he had done all the work.
"If you've read one dystopian novel in your life, nothing really new in this movie" No, to compare 'V' to written media is fair since it is based on a printed media, and it copies heavy elements from numerous dystopian novels, namely '1984' and 'Brave New World'.
I even saw a little of "Pink Floyd's The Wall" in there, oddly enough.
"You know what I liked about this movie, no reading."
Pitiful attitude.

And as for the end of your, I really haven't dressed anything up.
I was forced to explain an opinion by those that are so fixated on a movie that they cannot conceive anyone disliking it.
If that seems to be "dressing up" to you, I am sorry, but that says more about you than it does me.

Oh and the mods have been notified about certain elements of your post. Enjoy. thumbsup.gif
Reincarnated
He claims to have majored in History and earned a degree, yet he views Bill Clinton as one of the most digusting human beings on earth and blindly follows/supports his government. I think you need to freshen up on your history and realize who the real criminals are. Give us a break, stop lying and quit your crap.
Universal Absurdity
Reincarnated, enough with the personal insults, IF you dont want to believe what another member claims, thats fine, but you are derailing the thread with your pointless snide comments about it. Keep it up and you'll recieve a warning.

Never_Hit_Nirvana, you may have reported this thread, but you have been no aid in the situation, demeaning other members in the post you informed everyone that you had made a report is not the best idea. Neither is blindly calling other members jackasses for their lack of grammar in your opinion.

Back to topic, and quit the bickering, or this thread will be closed.
Fasteddy
So aside from Never_ Hits's critizism I would say that most of us liked the film, and if anyone reading this thread hasnt seen the film yet, get it. Chances are you will like it.

Is it an action movie? No. But the scenes where there is action are awesome.

Does it get a bit preaching? A little, I guess, but the message is a good one so it deserves to be driven home like it is, especaily in the times we are living in today.

Also, Natalie Portman is not a bad actress. Is she the greastest? No, but name someone better and please dont say Lindsay Lohen. Plus, chances are you cant name a better actress to play her part and you wont for fear of you choice being critisized.

So watch the film I bet you wont be disappointed and if you are come back here and call me a jackass original.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
Christina Ricci is a much better actress, especially for darker roles. Although her look is terrible now, makes her unwatchable, too. Like someone made a Tinker Toy version of her. 'Cursed' is notable only for the "Holy Christ! Look at what she did to herself!" factor.
I can't think of any young actress, actually, that could have handled the part. Too many of them seem to be just eye-candy for the guys that like stick-figures, faces devoid of talent.
I would have preferred Evie to have had a genuine British accent, so maybe the London
theatre scene would have been a good place to look. Thinking along those lines, Kate Winslet might have worked better, although she is a little old for the part maybe. Oh well, if 35 year olds can play high school kids, age obviously doesn't matter.
And the only thing anyone should ever suggest Lindsey Lohan for is rehab. laugh.gif
Fasteddy
Well i cant disagree at all on your last point, god i hate lindsey lohen. I mean talk about a case when a star gets to big for themselves, I mean lindsey lohen is to big for lindsey lohen.

But then again its our fault things are they way they are with celebs, we put these people on pedestails and we fill their pockets so they can make us feel better about spending our hard earned dollars on the crap they endorse. And the fact is true about what you said Never_ hit, hollywood just gives us these face girls and guys who cant even act but are sexy. but that what we want, its just reflects our own shallow nature.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Fasteddy @ Aug 21 2006, 04:34 PM) [snapback]1316611[/snapback]

Well i cant disagree at all on your last point, god i hate lindsey lohen. I mean talk about a case when a star gets to big for themselves, I mean lindsey lohen is to big for lindsey lohen.

But then again its our fault things are they way they are with celebs, we put these people on pedestails and we fill their pockets so they can make us feel better about spending our hard earned dollars on the crap they endorse. And the fact is true about what you said Never_ hit, hollywood just gives us these face girls and guys who cant even act but are sexy. but that what we want, its just reflects our own shallow nature.

Two things we agree on!
Yes, the public is to blame for the crap spewed forth from Hollywood. I really think people should start boycotting these trash movies that only have pretty heads with no substance. But that would be impossible, since most of the garbage rolling out there is directed at teenagers, they are the demographic with the highest amount of expendable cash to waste on things like movies, last I read, and everybody knows that, for the most part, most teenagers can't judge substance from monkey dookie.
Just turn on a radio some time, if you don't believe me.
Boff
I thought the movie was pretty good. I didnt really know what to expect from it but I liked it.

V was a cool character, certainly different. Im not a fan of Natlie Portman though..but I could stand her.
Argen
I expected to be horrible, because it seemed to be just in the same vein as Aeon Flux and Ultraviolet. However, I was glad that it wasn't mainly an action movie. The conspiracy aspect to it made it a lot more interesting.
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