Could the war going on between Isriel and Jordan be the start of World War III and hence the begining of Armageddon?

many have talked about armegeddon and one famous man who predicted the end of the world said this would happen two days from now august 18 2006.if were alive then we know that it wasent the end of the world.so good luck im going to go gamble and and go to a strip club just in case.

Nice to know. Lol, maybe I should go out and have a good time too.

Then I guess it's party time for me. Thanks for the heads up.

Where did you get the Aug 18 2006 from? I've never heard of that one before.. ??

my magic eight ball says "no-- stock up on hot wings and beer." side note order more pizza--".--lol

I wouldn't put that on the credit card, the Sun might rise on the 19th.

Just what we need.....another "end of the world" thread!

Armageddon threads

When hate fires missiles intending to wipe out a population because that party at that trigger determined those targets are not fit to live, it is always "Armageddon".

That endless conflict that surrounds this conscious reality on each front. The secular and the spiritual. We're led to believe we are ever under siege. By the devil, by the Israelis, by the Palestinians, Lebanese, non-believers, christians, etc... Name a nemesis, you'll find a cause!

The truth is everyone alive has one destiny. To die. All else is choice. What does it then say for our level of evolution as that allegedly smartest of animals, that we hasten the final outcome because we do not respect others right to make the journey with us?!

Remember GWjr's statement right after 911? You're either with us or your a terrorist. Relatively speaking, that level of consciousness is our biggest problem.

I see you, you're not like me, therefore you are the enemy.

And in the midst of it all is the excuse of god and freedom as the cause. Each side in conflict holding to one idea of just what that means, and that they need desecrate lands, slaughter generations, to establish it's dominion.
Because it is thought there is only one way to live and each faction commits to execute the whole world to prove it.

We are the brokers of Armageddon. Do not look to faded scrolls and ponder when. Look around and recognize, it's time is now.

"When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains." (Mark 13:7-8)

Why Armageddon? Why not Ragnarok - the Norse Pagan Final war between the Gods and the Giants or the Mithra/Zoroasteran "End of Time"...There is no evidence at all that Christianity is the only true religion, in fact the evidence points to a contrived, manufactured religion!

Because screaming the tongue tier; "It's Ragnarok, god save us all!", in a tent revivalist frenzy is next to impossible!?

"ARE YOU READY TO RAGNAROK-N-ROLLLLLLLLLLLL!"



It has a ring to it.........

Yeah, I can just see the Israeli commander yelling that just before his troops and tanks crossed the border!

Can't ya though!?


Eschatology is something every culture holds in common. And as has been said, the contemporary world picture could be taken as fulfilling the signs of those end of the world legends, as subscribed to by other faiths and cultures, long before the christian revelation.


Zoroastrianism eschatology is the oldest eschatology in recorded history. By 500 BC, Zoroastrians had fully developed a concept of the end of the world through a divine devouring in fire.

According to Zoroastrian philosophy, redacted in the Zand-i Vohuman Yasht, "at the end of thy tenth hundredth winter...the sun is more unseen and more spotted; the year, month, and day are shorter; and the earth is more barren; and the crop will not yield the seed; and men ... become more deceitful and more given to vile practices. They have no gratitude."

At the end of the Battle between the righteous and wicked, a Final Judgement of all souls will commence. Sinners will be punished 3 days, but are then forgiven. The world will reach perfection as poverty, old age, disease, thirst, hunger and death are halted. Zoroastrian concepts parallel greatly with those of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic eschatological beliefs, largely due to the influence Zoastrianism exerted on Judaism whilst the Levant was under Achaemenid control and the subsequent emergence of Christianity and Islam from Judaism.


In Judaism, the end of the world is called the acharit hayamim (end of days). Tumultuous events will overturn the old world order, creating a new order in which God is universally recognized as the ruler over everyone and everything. One of the sages of the Talmud says, "Let the end of days come, but may I not live to see them", because they will be filled with so much conflict and suffering.


Hopi
Tribal leaders of the Hopi tribe, such as Dan Evehema, Thomas Banyaca and Martin Gashwaseoma prophesy that the coming of the white man signals the end times, along with a strange beast "like a buffalo but with great horns that would overrun the land". It is prophesied that during the end times the earth would be crossed by iron snakes and stone rivers, the land would be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web, and seas will turn black. (A common speculative interpretation is to equal "iron snakes" with trains, "rock rivers" with highways and the giant spiders web with the Internet.)

It is also prophesied that a "great dwelling place" in the heavens shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star, and the earth will rock to and fro. White men would then battle people in other lands, with those who possess wisdom of their presence. There would then be smoke in the deserts, and the signs that great destruction is near.

Many would then die, but those who understand the prophecies shall live in the places of the Hopi people and be safe. The Pahana or "True White Brother" would then return to plant the seeds of wisdom


Lakota
According to an Oglala - or Sioux(Sioux was a name given the people by the French. It translates as;"enemy") Lakota medicine man - "darkness would descend over the tribe...the world would be out of balance. Floods, fires and earthquakes would then ensue."

A "White Buffalo Calf Woman" will then purify the world. She will then bring back harmony and spiritual balance.

A white buffalo was born in 1994, and another in 1995. Many tribal leaders thus feel that the prophecy is being fulfilled.


Ragnarok (And Rollll )
In Norse mythology a strong winter called the Fimbulwinter will seize the earth and bring disorder and fighting between the people of Midgard just before Ragnarok. Ragnarok ("fate of the gods") is the battle during the end of the world waged between the gods (the Æsir, the Vaner and the Einherjar, led by Odin) and the forces of Chaos (the fire giants, the Jotuns and various monsters, led by Loki). Not only will the gods, giants, and monsters perish in this apocalyptic conflagration, but almost everything in the universe will be torn asunder. (Source)

And, if it happens as the Norse believe, I'm in with the Aesir and Vanir.

And what a battle it will be! worthy of song. Of course, there won't anyone left to sing it to......


The point being that many cultures have 'end of the world' tales. People look around, see that things have a beginning and an end, and create a fanciful account of that ending. Why then, does the christian apocolypse have any greater weight than those that have gone before it?

When they've decimated the believer population of those other cultures and relegated the older mythologies to the judgement they are lie contrived on behalf of the devilish adversary of the new god!?

one of the most unstable countrys is developing necular wepons, russia and china are now allies, and al-kida is kidnapping christians and executing them. It is indeed the end of the world.

In the history of atomic science, the United States is the only country possessed of nuclear weaponry, to have used it on people.Twice!
How stable was that!?


This isn't an indicator of Armageddon. This is politics and consumer economics.
Before the Iraq war, Russia was one of the foremost consumers of it's oil supplies. Now, given the conflict and the U.S. territoriality in the region, it's a matter of economic and social stability. Reaching an accord with China allows both powers to exploit the largely unexploited petroleum reserves in Kazakhstan as well as the fact that forming an allied front expands the domain of both powers.



Al Qaeda ("The Base" or translated as; "The Foundation") is kidnapping agents of the allied invadors to their countries. (Afghanistan and Iraq). That these victims are christian is not the reason they are being abducted.Rather it is a collateral circumstance. There are also muslims and others of faith, that are victimized by insurgents and AQ as well.

The terms and conditions afforded the "end times" in Revelation are observed by the prophet as those events brought about by human will and communicated through symbolism and metaphor. Each successive generation, after the book was written, has compared contemporary events with the foretelling of that eschaton. However, each successive generation has witnessed the end of the world as they knew it, as political and economic forces evolved so as to expand the dominion of those human powers.

Today the news featured a live public address by the President of the U.S. wherein he pledged the country would assist Israel ,our Allie, in it's current conflict with Lebanon.
So while we are more advanced as a civilization, we are now at a point where the judeo-christian front is going to assault the muslim. Because at the heart of all this is faith!

The jews claim Israel because their god told them to. George W. entered Iraq and overthrew Sadistic Hussein because god told him to. Those we are told are Muslim extremists apply gorilla tactics including blowing themselves up, because god told them to.
In this infancy of the new century, as we all evolve into the future of higher technology, we are still embroiled in what amounts to a "holy war".

If there was ever a time we could affect the end of the world, literally, it's now. The U.S. is one of the top 5 arms dealer countries in the world. We arm our enemies and then go fight them because we claim we're afraid they're armed. It's like that board game; Axis and Allies. The earth is the board, and we are the pieces. And whether or not a leadership excuses deific communications as the cause, it's material acquisition that is at the root of it all. A sort of "have your cake and eat it to", scenario. But don't look for the king of kings to break through the mushroom clouds pending on the horizon quite yet. Instead, look to the satans that manifest this hell, and realize we are but the pieces on the board. No matter of worry or prophecy changes that. It just lends a script for it to be equated to. You see, we the people of this world may outnumber those politics and powers that make the world this way, but because we are largely complacent, thinking if we pray, write letters to representatives, etc... we shall evoke change, we're actually dead already. You see, the world can end tomorrow. And indeed it has, for thousands of persons in the time it took to write this piece. Because somewhere a long time ago we the people of the planet earth decided we were in good hands when we surrendered our souls to gods and our futures to secular authority.

Considering that they were used in a war that the United States did not start and served to save millions of lives (estimated 3 million Japanese would die in a land invasion and at least a million Allied lives would be lost in the same invasion), I would say off hand that it was quite stable!

Mako, you are forgetting one thing, USA was loosing the battle against Japan. The only action to prevent it was to throw the atomic bombes.

And yet again, do not be fooled. Japan is still winning, and so is Germany. They never quit the war.

If you do not believe that, look around you and you will see what I mean.

The "war" they leading is very different though, but thi outcome is supposed to be the same.

Oh, God want you by me a Mercedes Benz, with a Sony entertainment.

Yeah, while Bushie is fighting wars............

Well said Odas! Yes, the U.S may have incinerated thousands of Japanese to win a losing battle, but Japan was rebuilt for the trouble with American money and now they buy us, one acre at a time!!
One thing the American regime of that era was woefully unaware of. Asian culture teaches patience in all things. Or perhaps it's just a matter also of being unaware of Sun Tzu's "art of war". Either way, we should recognize we are in the midst of it, whether we are aware or not.
Visit the Hawaiian islands and take a tour. You'll soon learn the majority of the commercial real estate is becoming owned and developed by Japan! We won the war, we lost the country. Good plan!

yea--everybody is a sellout these days . i'm still waiting for quazacotal !!--LOL

No the United States already has nuclear weapons.




I disagree, perhaps many more Japanese would have died but they would have been combatants.

Whenever i have been taught of the conclusion to WW2 in highschool it was always glossed over but the fact is that the majority of those killed by the two Bombs were civilians.





USA was by no means losing the war.

There was no stage at which the United States was losing and by the time the bombs were dropped they had almost made it to the japanese home islands.

Whew,I don't know where you learned your 20th century history, but you definately need a refresher course. From '44 to '46 the Americans and British pushed the Japanese out of the Pacific and back to the home isles! We were winning and use the bombs to save Japanese lives but mainly to say allied lives! After all, we (the Allies) did not start world war II...The Axis did!

Actually, the millions of civilan would have been collateral damage. One does not invade a country without the civilian population suffering more than the military population! Take this from a veteran of two wars and several "actions"!

Probably the same textbook that reviles Americans for everything they've done since 1776.

Didn't you know Mako? we are the ultimate 'black hats'. No matter what anyone else may do, WE are the bad guys.........

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And if, instead of dropping the bombs, we HAD gone in and invaded Japan, the cry would be
"OH those NASTY Americans! How dare they wage a convential war and cause those millions of deaths!!!!! "

Americans these days (come to think of it, since the days of my childhood) has been the worlds whipping boy. We don't do enough to stop hunger. We do too much to stop terrorism. We should make 'nice nice' with the people who hate us. People hate us because: we're too rich; we're too independant; we're too involved in world affairs; we're not involved enough in world affairs; we stick our nose where it doesn't belong; we don't get involved.

meh. Its sickening sometimes.

And, before any of you claim that I'm all "My country, right or wrong..." I do disagree with many of our policies and practices. I think our present administration is sorely lacking in many areas, and yes my country has done things that embarass me.

But, I'm still glad that I AM an American, and look towards a day when others are equally proud to be so.

That is right, the Axis started the war. However, lets see it this way. If America was winning (ahh like they did in Vietnam ), then why did they have to use the bombs?
Then we have the question, did the USA use the Japanese civilians as testobjects?
This is even worse.

To make one thing clear. I LOVE AMERICA. But I do not always agree with their leaders politics.

Losing the battle against Japan? Hardly. The United States could have beaten Japan without nuclear weapons. It was an ultimate decision by Truman to drop the bomb(s) to save hundreds of thousands of US soilders.

Germany? How is Germany winning anything? The only area they are winning is in the automobile industry with being the #1 manufacturer of motor vehicles.

I agree to an extent.

The United States warned Japan days in advance of the automic bomb. Japan was stubborn and said "no".

So, we said "ok" and dropped a hell of a bomb on them.

Again so the United States warned, after the second bomb was dropped, that we had another one we were going to drop if Japan didn't surrender.

Japan said "no." So the US did it again.

So we did warn them about it, twice.

Ultimately the bombs were used to help save lives. Many more people would have died had the USA made a land envasion, as Mako stated above.

This is one of the few times that you and I actually agree on something.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto ~ after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor


BTW: Admiral Yamamoto did not believe that Japan could win a war with the United States.

I think for me what comes most to mind is the saying : Those that live by the sword will die by the sword.

We used atomic weapons against Japan and it's just a matter of time until we suffer the same losses at the hand of some other country.

In CHristianity what do u believe about armagedon? And whos it gona be between? Muslims and christians?

Scary ain't it? I thought I heard the roof creaking like it was gonna fall in!

its now august the 22nd....armegeddon out of here

it's funny how this thread got to be an "I'm proud to be an american" one..it was innitially named "armageddon already?"... (but please allow me to say smth just as offtopic...I don't know why some americans can actually be offended by their image in the world..I refer to that of not doing enough..or doing too much...After all...you are proud to be americans if that means"the most powerful nation in the world", right? and allow me to say that I try to respect all people :japanese(with their technology), germans(with their cars), americans(with their patriotism) , mexicans(with their tequila) , danish(yes, even with all the cheese), whatever... I prefer to use common sense as criteria, not nationality... )

anyway..I have a question..if the bible gives room for interpretations when it comes to god creating the world..(I mean, the SEVEN DAYS in which that took place could have actually extended over a huge period of time...MILIONS OF YEARS?) why do we assume that the end of the world would take just ONE DAY? (and in the middle of my seaside trip, a few days ago, what horror!! )

...after all, if we allow this so called armageddon some time..at the rate the earth's resources will grow scarcer...famine could (will?!?) eventually appear..as just one fulfillment of some ancient prophecy

I guess it depends on who you are talking to. Many Christians see it many ways.

Nope. Just Satan vs. God/Jesus

The term "Armageddon" is actually a final battle between "good" and "evil". In the bible, it states that lots of hell will break loose years before this final battle. It is one of many battles that takes place in Revelation. Its actually a very shot battle that puts Jesus against Satan and his armies. The battle, like I said, is very brief and Jesus basically just utters a word and it is over. Of course I'm sure it would be pretty cool to watch.

If its so obvious who will win then why would Satan bother rocking up. I think it is more likely that the outcome is not certain.

If you were Satan would you just say "ok, God i give up, you win." after all these years? Satan knows he's screwed either way, so he might as well go out swinging. Why would he bother to gather up such huge armies only to surrender at the last minute? He wants to take as many people to hell as her can. "Misery loves company," and one way of doing this is to rally the people against God. In the bible it says that Satan knows his time is short and woe to the inhabitants of the earth because of this.

What gave you the idea that the outcome is not certain?

Just one more "end of the world" dates....come and gone...again.

How many more are there to go?

If I may quote Mako from page 1 of this thread:



Which version of "Armageddon"

heres some end of the world dates...
LINK-> Library of Date Setters of The End of the World!!!

Pax....my question was pure sarcasm......

Good link just the same!

just a few more to go...

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AH!
You edited before I could point something out

You better watch me. I'm smooth

Because we on Earth only recieve the propoganda produced by God we assume that he is winning the war, but the citizens of Japan were of the Assumption that they were winning WW2 right up until the Bombs were dropped.

What i mean is that just because we have always been told that Satan will lose is no reason to believe it. Thou the fact that i don't believe in either makes it easier for me to say then it is for other people.

This is what I get from Armageddon. Antichrist ( The SON of Satan will appear on this Earth as a little boy growing up, going to college, becoming successful, probably as a businessman somewhere in Europe, or America. He will be able to speak boastfully, proudfully, but will hide his hate for Jesus and God until he comes into power. He will probably say how he "Loves Jesus" and stuff to swade anyone who THINKS he might be Antichrist into thinking "Hey this is a God loving person" As a successful business man, he will inturn try politics. He will end up being a Governor, or maybe the President of Germany for all that matters. Well, he will eventually become President, U.N. Secretary General, or EU Chancellor. As for another character in Revelation, and I don't mean character as in fake, because this is very real, the False Prophet. I believe he will be a Buddist Monk, or the Pope himself. He will speak on behalf of the antichrist, saying he's the right man for the job. Remember in the bible, it says how "He will speak like a dragon" Well, Satan will give him basically the tools he needs to spellbound every1 into following Antichrist, and later on Worship him as God on Earth.The False Prophet will also be able to perform miracles in front of everyone (on TV) to insure worship of Antichrist. Before Antichrist comes to power, RAPTURE will occur. This will happen shortly, very shortly, because then the people of Earth will look to the Antichrist as their Savior. False Prophet will ask every1 to follow Antichrist's lead. When that happens, the False Prophet will demand every1 take a mark on their arm or forhead, 666, so they can buy goods or sell goods, and prove loyalty to the Beast (Antichrist). It is said by many relgious scholors, that a 7 Year Tribulation will begin when Rapture occurs to begin the END OF DAYS. The first 3 1/2 years, people will look to him as their saviour, ESPECIALLY ISRAEL AND THE JEWS He will rebuild Solomans Temple, and be worshiped in that temple. 3 1/2 yrs into the Tribulation, he will be shot in the head, and for that, Satan will resurrect him, which is known as the "FALSE RESURECTION" Then, he will go bannans killing more in 1 Hour, then what was killed in WWII and WWI combined. LITERALLY, A BILLION OR MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE BY HIM. Then, when his 7 years are up, Jesus comes into the picture again. By this time, millions around the world are fighting Antichrist's armies, but south of Jerusalem, at a place called HARMAGEDON 300 million people who fight for Antichrist will fight roughly 2 million anti antichrist followers. Before they fight, a Light in the sky literally destroys Antichrist, the False Prophet, and all of his armies.


Your end times senario might be different, but I believe I've gotten alot right.


Characteristics of Antichrist:
He will be a Man
He will be a proud, and Boastful Man
He will appear to be a good loving person, who Loves God
He will be obsessed with War
He will constantly have a frown on his face
He will not cherish Women (Gay or Isn't married)
He will be of Jewish or Christian background.
He will be smart, militarily, economically, and politically.
He will be able to understand almost all religions.



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