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QueenOftheCramped
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QueenOftheCramped (very funny handle)


Thanks, Triad happy.gif

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my perspective on the issue is that each of us (all living things), is a unique part of an 11 dimensional puzzle (string theory).


Hmmm, not sure about that. I'm pretty convinced that there are countless parallel universes. So 11 strings seem a bit pesky. Maybe on the subatomic level of this particular universe...Although I have a feeling they'll discover more of'em strings...

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Ultimately the complete "truth" is an answer which encompasses the totality in relation the meaning of each piece. But what is presented in what is often related to as the great works are a perspective into reality from the context of those of us who succeeded, in accomplishing the task of presenting there piece of the puzzle to the world.


I'd agree with that. Every individual/generation/culture perceives reality through the filter of their own consciousness & will therefore resonate with the symbolism of a particular esoteric discipline.


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With respect to the Kabbalah I am intrigued by a specific issue, you see, I know that the Lords prayer is included in the Talmud. And I also understand the purpose in which it was prioritized as a result. The morning prayer of the Judges of Israel should be regarded
as relevant to any discussion, with respect to understanding Kabalistic knowledge, as in kind should be the Tarot.


I'm not sure I am following you on that one. Also, I don't have any in-depth knowledge of the Kabbalah . Could you please elaborate?

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In respect to the Tarot it is an example of what Lao Tze presented in the TaoDeJing from a different point of view.


I can see where you're coming from (I think). But do you mean more in a general way, like I said above, that the same wisdom is contained within everything, or do you mean it literally, that each of the 78 Tarot cards correspond to one of the TaoDeJing's verses? If so, what about the 3 extra cards in the TaoDeJing? -I had a look at how the cards and verses would correlate; there are certain contextual similarities in some cards-verses, but the verses are quite, well, open, so that they can be interpreted to fit, if you know what I mean. Do you have any data that link Tarot & TaoDeJing historically? A quick google didn't bring up any results...
Kazuma
A friend of mine told me she's interested in learning how to use Tarot cards. I honestly think they're fake, but if she's finally getting interested in SOMETHING, I guess I'll support her. grin2.gif

Where can I buy a package of these cards and instructions on how to use them?
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A friend of mine told me she's interested in learning how to use Tarot cards. I honestly think they're fake, but if she's finally getting interested in SOMETHING, I guess I'll support her. grin2.gif

Where can I buy a package of these cards and instructions on how to use them?


Thats very sweet of you! I bought mine at chapters lol, and I wouldnt recommend getting them from there. I really couldn't tell you. I was at a psychic fair last weekend and they had a bunch there...so look for psychic shops or something.

With respect to Triads post, I am not educated in Kabbalah to say the least so I'm with QueenOftheCramped could you maybe explain the connection?
Kazuma
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Thats very sweet of you! I bought mine at chapters lol, and I wouldnt recommend getting them from there. I really couldn't tell you. I was at a psychic fair last weekend and they had a bunch there...so look for psychic shops or something.

With respect to Triads post, I am not educated in Kabbalah to say the least so I'm with QueenOftheCramped could you maybe explain the connection?


Thank you. I'll browse around, but I doubt there are any psychic shops around here. The people are all so... stupid. grin2.gif
Astradm
What you should know about Tarot Readings

How many times have you sat in front of a reader wondering, what she or he would say to you and how it might change your life. Sat there confused as to believe or keep a distance so you can maybe laugh about it later, Then she says something that hits home and you know that this one is for real something that only you knew or felt and she has uncovered it, now you’re scared more than ever but curious to know more.

What you need to realize is that a Tarot Reader can only be a guide, She will tell you what only your conscious self or unconscious self will allow her to read, She can guide you and let you know what may be ahead of you but you are the ULTIMATE decision maker here. So RELAX and ENJOY your journey with your Reader if She is a Professional she has put in a lot of work and effort to establish a relationship with her Cards and her Spirit Guides. With these tools all she wants is to help you and guide you to a better place in your life to clear confusion and doubt from your mind to make you feel secure and stable in all your decision making, let them be decisions in relationships (love or family), work related or just to know WHY things happen the way they do. She’s your friend your confidant. With Her you can sail thru all the phases or obstacles in your life with strength and determination, You need to know where you have been (to believe) where you are, and where you are going to be successful. Tell me who doesn’t want that?


Just remember that nothing happens in our lives that we don’t allow it to happen in some way or another. So the purpose of the Tarot Reader is to show you and educate you how to improve your life so you can bring the beneficial changes that you desire and maybe be able to avoid negative ones.

I read the Crowley but it took me almost 3 years to establish a relationship with them and I need to use astrology to go into alpha state to be able to give a reading


"Blessed be"

Triad
QueenOftheCramped states....
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Hmmm, not sure about that. I'm pretty convinced that there are countless parallel universes. So 11 strings seem a bit pesky. Maybe on the subatomic level of this particular universe...Although I have a feeling they'll discover more of'em strings...


Actually the issue of Parallel Universes in relation to 11 dimensions with respect to this Universe are in relation to differing aspects of reality....have included two very good links in relation to both subjects....

String Theory

Multiverse

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I'm not sure I am following you on that one. Also, I don't have any in-depth knowledge of the Kabbalah . Could you please elaborate?


I forget the exact passages but if you read the Talmud you will find in the book the lords prayer, there is one difference instead of "Deliver us from evil", in the Talmud that phrase reads "deliver us from the evil one". Now the Talmud is one of the holiest of the Jewish books and from what I understand there version of the Lords prayer was recited daily by the Judges of Israel as well as adepts preparing to become a member of that sect.

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I can see where you're coming from (I think). But do you mean more in a general way, like I said above, that the same wisdom is contained within everything, or do you mean it literally, that each of the 78 Tarot cards correspond to one of the TaoDeJing's verses? If so, what about the 3 extra cards in the TaoDeJing? -I had a look at how the cards and verses would correlate; there are certain contextual similarities in some cards-verses, but the verses are quite, well, open, so that they can be interpreted to fit, if you know what I mean. Do you have any data that link Tarot & TaoDeJing historically? A quick google didn't bring up any results


What I mean is that the purpose is the same in relation to the two cultures respectively; both are actually a methodology for attaining a higher awareness or enlightenment.

Any thoughts?
brave_new_world
I think they can be used as a means but never an end in itself and also never a proximate means in spirituality. If they help you discover the different archetypes within your psyche and help learn to integrate them, than all is well and good. But sometimes to certain people they can be addictive in the sense that people won't do anything they think is important without first consulting them, and feel anxious if they don't know what lies in the future instead of just dealing with it in a manner of detachment , spontaniety and charity when the time comes(which is waaaayyy more spiritual). Though I have a pack my grandma bought me(awesome looking pictures) I never got into them. I find that you can always explain them in very broad terms that can apply to everyone in all situations. The Hermit card is my favourite and I use it as a book mark.

I don't believe that tarot cards have much to do with real spirituality(though they can and have often helped to some degree). I think personally they have more to do with the conscious ego and personal subconscious reflecting itself through the symbolism of the cards. Some use this to one's spiritual advantage by using the experience to confirm the connectedness we have with fate, and also that there are more than one levels to our being that are operating at any one time.
Others kinda use them and then chase after spiritual rainbows thinking that the cards themselves somehow will guide them to enlightenment if they keep using them.
QueenOftheCramped
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I think they can be used as a means but never an end in itself and also never a proximate means in spirituality. If they help you discover the different archetypes within your psyche and help learn to integrate them, than all is well and good. But sometimes to certain people they can be addictive in the sense that people won't do anything they think is important without first consulting them, and feel anxious if they don't know what lies in the future instead of just dealing with it in a manner of detachment , spontaniety and charity when the time comes(which is waaaayyy more spiritual). Though I have a pack my grandma bought me(awesome looking pictures) I never got into them. I find that you can always explain them in very broad terms that can apply to everyone in all situations. The Hermit card is my favourite and I use it as a book mark.

I don't believe that tarot cards have much to do with real spirituality(though they can and have often helped to some degree). I think personally they have more to do with the conscious ego and personal subconscious reflecting itself through the symbolism of the cards. Some use this to one's spiritual advantage by using the experience to confirm the connectedness we have with fate, and also that there are more than one levels to our being that are operating at any one time.
Others kinda use them and then chase after spiritual rainbows thinking that the cards themselves somehow will guide them to enlightenment if they keep using them.


There is no ONE path in spirituality. It lies not so much within WHAT we do, but HOW we do it. Even the most mundane acts can become sacred. We can connect to the universe in so many ways; As many wise people have said before, it depends on how you ask and what you seek. To me, Tarot cards can guide me in a very deep spiritual way and give me insights into the workings of life. After all, like another wise person said, the universe is contained in every raindrop...
brave_new_world
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There is no ONE path in spirituality. It lies not so much within WHAT we do, but HOW we do it. Even the most mundane acts can become sacred. We can connect to the universe in so many ways; As many wise people have said before, it depends on how you ask and what you seek. To me, Tarot cards can guide me in a very deep spiritual way and give me insights into the workings of life. After all, like another wise person said, the universe is contained in every raindrop...


I fully agree the universe is contained in a raindrop. I believe that the whole infinite universe in every aspect of time and space is reflected in a tiny sub-atomic particle. Yes our mundane acts must become as sanctified as holy rituals or specific acts offered up to the universe. True spirituality involves constant recollectedness and an active resignation to all things and at all times. We must see our Self in others including the sub-human as well as human. The only ONE path in spirituality lies in the stopping of identification with our personal will(ego) with the surrendering of our will and identification with that of Allah, God, Great spirit, Tao, Logos, Brahman, primordial buddha or whatever you wish to call it. This swap in identification is also called one pointed devotion, and this is the only proximate means there is to attain the spiritual end which is union with the divine ground of lives, things and minds. All other means lead to this proximate means. Enlightenment consists in character transformation of becoming completely selfless and dectachted from all things.
My point was that tarot cards are not negative in themselves but can be idolized. All idolation no matter how noble it is, is a barrier between you and the spirit(divine ground of all being) which must be worshipped and connected to in spirit only. innocent.gif
Having insights into life is only useful when it helps point out the need to eradicate the "I" consciousness and become what we have always been the "I-I". Shankara puts it best:

You are the Self, the infinite Being, the pure, unchanging Consciousness, which pervades everything. Your nature is bliss and your glory is without stain. Because you identify yourself with the ego, you are tied to birth and death. Your bondage has no other cause.

A few grammatical errors hence the edit wink2.gif
Zackeous
You're seeing what you WANT to see when you use tarot on yourself. Very similar to the religious fool that sees an image of christ in a grilled cheese samich'. Tarot readers that perform for money are doing the same, exploiting the naivity, and ignorance of customers by suggestion. You can grab a deck of regular poker cards and pull out some lottery numbers, with high improbability and circumstance you'll actually win. You're just as likely to predict your future with a paper towel roll. Not going to happen.
RougeRat
This thread is pretty old, but it seems to keep being ressurected tongue.gif

I'm just going to give my 2 cents on Tarot Cards.

I'm pretty new to the cards, but so far all of my readings have been accurate. However, I don't use them to predict the future, but to put peoples problems into perspective and to help them realize their inner feelings towards the situation and show them one possible path. I only ever use them as a guide combined with my intuition and don't neccesarily believe that they have some divine psychic power. I've never had someone read for me though, so I am not completely sure. If someone were to read for me in a different fashion with accurate results, then I could possible believe that they have some higher power. So, I will remain skeptical for now, but open of course wink2.gif

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